i am watching the summit and this is what we will get: WP 7.8
live at http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
Gggrrr.....
WP7.8 Will have the WP8 experience and new start screen etc
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WP7.8 Will have the WP8 experience and new start screen etc
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at least they said so .... m looking forward to it !
The only thing i want right now is ability to have IM's working in a background If WP 7.8 (or IM developers) gives me that then i'll be happy even without WP8.
Ofcourse, WP 8 sounds really cool but probably i'll get a new phone for it once they come out. Higher screen resolution, more RAM and dual core CPU definitely won't harm
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at least they said so .... m looking forward to it !
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At least they are going to remove the gap on the right side and file the screen with tiles this time rather than wasting the screen space with nothing
It will feel like a new phone with a bigger screen
this is such a fail, MS and nokia totally "backdoored" their customers... how im happy i got rid of my lumia 800...
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this is such a fail, MS and nokia totally "backdoored" their customers... how im happy i got rid of my lumia 800...
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What do you mean by saying "backdoored"?
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At least they are going to remove the gap on the right side and file the screen with tiles this time rather than wasting the screen space with nothing
It will feel like a new phone with a bigger screen
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indeed the right side can be used...i like my 800 but it needs an update i was hoping they will release the tango today ... might be flashing the CN again
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What do you mean by saying "backdoored"?
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buy it....top tech...blah blah....and at the end "none of the existing devices will get WP8"
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indeed the right side can be used...i like my 800 but it needs an update i was hoping they will release the tango today ... might be flashing the CN again
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I was hoping the update would arrive today too, supposedly bypassing the carriers this time
No idea when it is arriving, I didn't see anything about a time scale on the WP Summit
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this is such a fail, MS and nokia totally "backdoored" their customers... how im happy i got rid of my lumia 800...
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Nobody have ever told that current WP7 devices will get an upgrade to WP8! I'vе been writing here in the forum for moths that there will be no such upgrade but nobody listens! The new WP8 is based on Windows RT, not on WinCE. The new features won't be ported to WP7. I'll be selling my Lumia 800 too very soon but it is not Microsoft's fault that Nokia released its "new" models so late. And if you think for a sec, when WP8 is released near the end of this year it will be nearly an year after the release of the first Lumia phones! One year is more than enough device life if you ask me! Me personally rarely use a device even a full year!
So don't be pissed at Nokia or Microsoft. Nobody stepped on your throat telling you to buy the dying dinosaur from the shelf!
Fail! Fail!
Its good to hear that Microsoft atleast considered WP 7.8 for the current devices...
And guess what? WP8 supports native code apps. WP 7.8 wouldn't.
That means, no guarranteed future app support. Now, that's bad.
Had higher expectations, and this how Microsoft treats us.
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Nobody have ever told that current WP7 devices will get an upgrade to WP8! I'vе been writing here in the forum for moths that there will be no such upgrade but nobody listens! The new WP8 is based on Windows RT, not on WinCE. The new features won't be ported to WP7. I'll be selling my Lumia 800 too very soon but it is not Microsoft's fault that Nokia released its "new" models so late. And if you think for a sec, when WP8 is released near the end of this year it will be nearly an year after the release of the first Lumia phones! One year is more than enough device life if you ask me! Me personally rarely use a device even a full year!
So don't be pissed at Nokia or Microsoft. Nobody stepped on your throat telling you to buy the dying dinosaur from the shelf!
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Some features will be coming and I'm pretty certain the tile size will be included for sure. Other features are hardware based and can't be ported.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3...8-upgrade-no-windows-phone-8-existing-devices
That's the fragmentation that every WP user bragged not have and it's worse then android because WP8 applications simple wont work in WP7.8 because of a software problem, not for hardware limitations. It's a mess.
I hope i get VoIP support and all native features that don't require hardware since future apps compatibility isn't going to happen.
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Some features will be coming and I'm pretty certain the tile size will be included for sure. Other features are hardware based and can't be ported.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3...8-upgrade-no-windows-phone-8-existing-devices
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WP8 is great...I work for a software development company and we have it for more than 4 months now running on a i5 tablet from Samsung...
7.5 is not a fail either... and i m pretty sure that 7.8 will do very well ...
cheers !
Well, the home experience is what I'm mostly looking forward to have on my Lumia. We're not getting much more than that, but with the current hardware anything more would have been pointless. This is just an appetizer to me tho, gotta start saving money for this fall, it's hard for me to keep a phone for more than 8 months anyway...
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Well, the home experience is what I'm mostly looking forward to have on my Lumia. We're not getting much more than that, but with the current hardware anything more would have been pointless. This is just an appetizer to me tho, gotta start saving money for this fall, it's hard for me to keep a phone for more than 8 months anyway...
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i agree since i've been switching phones often than my socks )
anyways, WP is an OS that we will bring us joy...i am pretty sure !
OrionBG said:
Nobody have ever told that current WP7 devices will get an upgrade to WP8! I'vе been writing here in the forum for moths that there will be no such upgrade but nobody listens! The new WP8 is based on Windows RT, not on WinCE. The new features won't be ported to WP7. I'll be selling my Lumia 800 too very soon but it is not Microsoft's fault that Nokia released its "new" models so late. And if you think for a sec, when WP8 is released near the end of this year it will be nearly an year after the release of the first Lumia phones! One year is more than enough device life if you ask me! Me personally rarely use a device even a full year!
So don't be pissed at Nokia or Microsoft. Nobody stepped on your throat telling you to buy the dying dinosaur from the shelf!
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Im not pissed, im disappointed, quite frankly anyone else who has a lumia 900/800 right now can have all the right to be pissed, they trusted nokia to have a good phone with good support and they simply didnt deliver, this way you destroy brand recognition and brand value. It all seems to be the plan of mr Elop to make Nokia worthless so that Miscrosoft can buy it.... Its misuse of brand trust.
About you using your device less than a year, one of two things comes to my mind: 1. you obviously have a lot of money 2. you dont spend your money wisely
And please dont take this as a rant or insult, but most people (especially in todays wicked economy) would prefer to have something they dearly paid for, for more than a year.
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Im not pissed, im disappointed, quite frankly anyone else who has a lumia 900/800 right now can have all the right to be pissed, they trusted nokia to have a good phone with good support and they simply didnt deliver, this way you destroy brand recognition and brand value. It all seems to be the plan of mr Elop to make Nokia worthless so that Miscrosoft can buy it.... Its misuse of brand trust.
About you using your device less than a year, one of two things comes to my mind: 1. you obviously have a lot of money 2. you dont spend your money wisely
And please dont take this as a rant or insult, but most people (especially in todays wicked economy) would prefer to have something they dearly paid for, for more than a year.
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nokia was dead for years and they came back to life because of this WP ... with or without WP8 lumia will be usable for at least another year...same thing happened to devices stuck on Android 2.1, or those not able to use for example Siri .... this is another example of how the software market works together with the hardware producers ... you buy a pc today because of a game and tomorrow comes another game with higher requirements ....
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Well, now that it's for the most part over, what were your thoughts on Nokia World.
I for one am not a fan of the Nokia 710 Sabre, the hardware is clearly high quality. However, the overall look and feel of the device looks too... HTC-ish. The 800/Searay on the other hand was simply astounding. I have no problem admitting that I was disappointed in the lack of a FFC, something that is rumored to be heading to the U.S. release but that still halts me from importing one. The rest of the device however, is awesome. The unibody is amazing, there's not a seam on the device. Even the glass seems to meld right in to the unibody. It's almost a work of art.
Another bit I was interested in was
The Nokia Kinetic flex display, bend your device one way to zoom in and the other to zoom out, there are numerous other applications for this but quite frankly, I just can't wait.
So, what do you think of Nokia's new offerings. They also released the Asha series running Series 40 which is an OS between smartphones and dumbphones to aid developing countries in accessing the internet.
Overall, it went well. I expected more things to occur that I didn't know in advance but I'm certainly not disappointed.
A little bit disappointed was hoping to hear about the ace, and no US release date.
The 800 is the one that looks like an ipod touch nano isn't it?
Well, the flexible phone could be excellent for hotheads. Girlfriend pisses them off, they can throw their phone as hard as they want against a wall and it will bounce right back to them.
hmmm. well, nokia is kinda garbage. and in my opinion windows mobile is the worst mobile OS ever conceived. lags, terrible UI. and we all know that nokia uses outdated hardware.
nothing to sing about, but thats just my opinion.
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hmmm. well, nokia is kinda garbage. and in my opinion windows mobile is the worst mobile OS ever conceived. lags, terrible UI. and we all know that nokia uses outdated hardware.
nothing to sing about, but thats just my opinion.
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Get with the times. WP7 is better than all of them now. Android can't even compare to how nice WP7 is. Not even iOS, which bests Android for quality and reliability, can't even compare to WP7.
You're missing out on WP7.
So they've basically taken the N9 and bunged WP7 in it.
Woah, it can't handle arabic or chinese? Seriously?
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They have a giveaway for Lumia 800 at facebook. Probably not winning, but it's worth a try.
Oh, and the phone does look pretty awesome.
cobraboy85 said:
hmmm. well, nokia is kinda garbage. and in my opinion windows mobile is the worst mobile OS ever conceived. lags, terrible UI. and we all know that nokia uses outdated hardware.
nothing to sing about, but thats just my opinion.
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They have a giveaway for Lumia 800 at facebook. Probably not winning, but it's worth a try.
Oh, and the phone does look pretty awesome.
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Just wanted to give everybody a heads-up, don't bother entering the giveaway, I'm going to win. Just want to be kind and save people time and effort.
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Just wanted to give everybody a heads-up, don't bother entering the giveaway, I'm going to win. Just want to be kind and save people time and effort.
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If you say so.
Hope the lumia 800 comes to T-Mobile, gonna definitely give it a try.
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Kept telling myself I wouldn't be ordering one due to the rumor of a FFC on the U.S. Released one but after 3 hours hovering over a submit button it will be here in just a couple weeks. Damn you technology addiction.
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Get with the times. WP7 is better than all of them now. Android can't even compare to how nice WP7 is. Not even iOS, which bests Android for quality and reliability, can't even compare to WP7.
You're missing out on WP7.
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LOL...what are u smoken?
galaxys said:
LOL...what are u smoken?
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please don't turn this into another thread full of petty and childish insults. I would like to know the opinion of all parties on the offerings put on the table at Nokia world.
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please don't turn this into another thread full of petty and childish insults. I would like to know the opinion of all parties on the offerings put on the table at Nokia world.
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I think the Lumia 710 is an attempt at bringing a production version of the highly desired mockups shown a long time ago.
These: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/11x0211nokiaconcept.jpg
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I think the Lumia 710 is an attempt at bringing a production version of the highly desired mockups shown a long time ago.
These: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/11x0211nokiaconcept.jpg
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Honestly, I never was fond of those. They looked like the focus to me and though I like the focus, I wanted something new.
that bending screen and phone is a huge step towards new gen phones and wp is a soild OS , just needs time
Screw Nokia. I just found out the N9/800 isn't aluminum like I had believed. That was the only remaining thing in Nokia's favor and now that's gone. I won't even look in Nokia's direction now.
But me saying this should make Nokia more favorable to people who have hated them.
it is the new nokia windows mobile phone
it looks like n9
Tell me your opinion about it
I prefer the nokia n9.
There are plenty of threads about this phone—and it even has it's own sub-forum. Search much?
john9 said:
it is the new nokia windows mobile phone
it looks like n9
Tell me your opinion about it
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No.
It's too small, the display is not flat. It has no FFC and the memory is limited to 16GB. It's also one of the thickest phones around. And it isn't aluminum.
Hands down the most beautiful and elegant wp7 device. I'm typing this from mine
Go for any of the vast array of superior android devices. That is... Unless you get aroused by scrolling through menus, then WP7 is for you.
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No.
It's too small, the display is not flat. It has no FFC and the memory is limited to 16GB. It's also one of the thickest phones around. And it isn't aluminum.
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i understand why you and some people would say about the size memory and ffc though for me i think the size is great as with my hd7 i did find my trouser pulled where is was so huge. ffc i dont think will get used anything like the amount ppl complain about it not being there. Mem is fair i would of wanted more but plus sides out weigh this.
HOWEVER not being aluminum is nothing but one of the best things to happen to this phone. Its a single moulded peice of polycarbonate so it will feel stirdier than any metal phone as well as having the advantage of 1. not showing scratches and most important 2 it does not mess up the antenna so your signal will be massivly improved. I do not get how anybody could consider this a bad thing at all but rather the best thing to ever happen to a phone.
slapshot30 said:
Go for any of the vast array of superior android devices. That is... Unless you get aroused by scrolling through menus, then WP7 is for you.
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yes when you can scroll though a grid of icons, yes i see thats so much better whilst watching your battery drain away.
My opinion is this is the best looking phone since the nokia 8850. That with amazing build and one of the best screens on any device makes this a must have. Then add the extra Nokia features plus the great camera not the best no, but up there and at a price point that makes iPhone look even more stupidly overpriced make this a true winner
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yes when you can scroll though a grid of icons, yes i see thats so much better whilst watching your battery drain away.
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I lol'd.......
But seriously, let's not turn this into yet another WP7 versus Android thread.
That would just be trolling......
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Its a Yes from me :-D
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I own Nokia Lumia 800 and HTC Desire HD also.
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Hands down the most beautiful and elegant wp7 device. I'm typing this from mine
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How can I get one here in the US, and how do you like it on T-Mobile? What kind of data speeds are you getting?
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How can I get one here in the US, and how do you like it on T-Mobile? What kind of data speeds are you getting?
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I know it sucks esp as i am scrapping the walls already and i get mine in 2 days (one way or another) but if i lived in the USA i would advise waiting for the new year. I very strongly suspect they will bring a different version of the Lumia 800 with improved specs ie ffc and 32/64gb. I remember reading they said they will be bringing out top spec devices in usa in q1. I also suspect you will get a look in first at the 900/ace/champaign. Its a bit like htc with the hd2 you had to wait but you got the good stuff.
I just feel that unless you can afford to blow the cash for 2 months of use you will kick yourself for jumping in to early. Plus I dont think you get the full data speeds on t-mobile but that i am unsure of.
Sexiest phone with what I consider to be the best mobile OS. Yes yes yes!
Lumia 800 ROM
I just got my Lumia 800 from Telecom Germany, it has modyfied software for Telecom, start logo, special Telecom ringtones etc.
Do anyone know how to get the General Nokia software to the phone... ?
I would really like to "debrand" it.
Klaus Kjelstru
it really is beautiful. amoled looks great at first sight. (on second sight the letters dont look "clean"). its really fast. compared to the titan it seems much snappier when scrolling trough the ui.
however its so tiny.. i cant imagine to use it for long web-browsing sessions.
also.. 16gb non expandable is a joke these days. With 64GB i would have bought it instantly. Being one sexy music player could be a good selling point..
so na i guess i pass on this generation of wp..
This Phone is just gorgeous! Got it yesterday and everyone i showed i to, was impressed about the build quality and about the design, even hardcore iPhone and Apple fans.
The N9 might have more features, but it is really expensive and it was dead before even released. MeeGo is dead, so i don't care about the N9.
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How can you prefer a smartphone with MeeGo?!
It's the first in the word with that OS that is already dead so it will be the only MeeGo phone ever made...
Windows Phone is far bether than Android and it's balanced with the iOS (only loses in the screen resolution and Multi-core)
Yes
Yes.. Its the best looking phone with an equally gorgeous OS
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How can you prefer a smartphone with MeeGo?!
It's the first in the word with that OS that is already dead so it will be the only MeeGo phone ever made...
Windows Phone is far bether than Android and it's balanced with the iOS (only loses in the screen resolution and Multi-core)
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People just say this rubbish because its thein thing to say or like anything that results in a direct diss to Microsoft. It is a worrying trend esp when even with all there faults, and there are many, Microsoft is still the best option for most. At the end of the day it is the end users that miss out and we will all miss out big style if it continues. Even MS cant take this bad attitude towards it for ever and that will lend us to a world dominated by apple clones and/or software made in peoples bedrooms. I love android i love linux but could i live with just them all the time? Not a chance. Like it or not MS is leading the way in the tech world with everything from office 365 to windows 8 to xbox live to exchange to hyperV etc. What would the world be like without then? We geeks would be fine we have linux but what about my mum and my sister etc? what about me trying to administer our network without active directory and group policy? Everyone says MS steals technology yet we keep forgeting they are normally the first to come with it they just get beat down or mess it up but they ae there pushing forward and inovating. Windows phone is just one example along with Windows 8 of how MS is set to change the game for the better if only we let them.
Thank you my friend.
There are two major and two minor issues I have with this phone.
First is Pentile. There are two types of people - those who see it and those who don't. I do, so I was thinking about returning the phone at first. Now I'm sort of living with it, but still black text on white background looks like crap to me.
Second is no equalizer.
The two minor issues are the fact that the USB port is located on top of the device and that it has a lid. This is less annoying than Pentile but still very awkward.
Otherwise it's a great phone.
Hi guys,
I'm an owner of a lg optimus 3D and i hate it!
So i'm thinking about lumia 800...
But what will i lose from android to Windows phone?
I read about battery problems , ad they bene fixed with update?
Are custom roms usefull?
I had never used zune, can i copy my music folder or its 's horrible like itunes?
Please, if lyou love/hate this phone tell me why so i can choose
Thanks a lot
It's not a bad device, but WP is still in the early stage (in comparison to Android and iOS).
If you can wait, I would recommend you to wait for WP8.
Custom roms are useful, but it's not as easy on Android.
I like flashing roms on my HTC Desire HD, but I've never done that on my Lumia, because I want to keep my data,like pictures and recorded video in my camera.
There's no way to put it back again after flashing a new rom or restoring/resetting your device.
I really like this phone, but I wouldn't recommend you to do the switch right now. Just save some money and get a WP8 device from Nokia as soon as it comes out, it will be much more worth your money. Just hold on for a few months (hopefully really few) and you won't have regrets. Otherwise if you really can't wait you can always get a Samsung Omnia W aka Focus Flash: it really costs a few bucks and offers similar hardware, not to mention the removable battery, which also lasts longer. Oh, and it has a ffc too. It's easy to unlock, so you won't have issues getting Nokia Drive to work on the device, which is a big plus.
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I really like this phone, but I wouldn't recommend you to do the switch right now. Just save some money and get a WP8 device from Nokia as soon as it comes out, it will be much more worth your money. Just hold on for a few months (hopefully really few) and you won't have regrets. Otherwise if you really can't wait you can always get a Samsung Omnia W aka Focus Flash: it really costs a few bucks and offers similar hardware, not to mention the removable battery, which also lasts longer. Oh, and it has a ffc too. It's easy to unlock, so you won't have issues getting Nokia Drive to work on the device, which is a big plus.
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I forgot to tell that I don't wanna buy itbut there's a guy who wanna have an exchange with my p920 by lg,
It could be a nice thing?
Can you guys tell me more about battery plz?
Well, if you don't have to add money on top I guess it's a decent deal. As to battery life I get more or less what I used to get from my GS2, 18 hours average, with average usage...
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Should I or shouldn't I
I quite fancy one of these too, but don't think I can wait for a month or three to get one with the no 8 attached. Had a look at the forums, but couldn't see - If I go on a contract, is it possible to unlock the thing? Is that a dodgy idea? should this be a separate thread?
I will say ,go for it.I own an iphone4s,since 6 months, I started looking for a change.Got a lumia 710,its very stable, and os is refreshingly new.I do love NOKIA MUSIC bundled (got 1 year free subscription).
ancestrale said:
Hi guys,
I'm an owner of a lg optimus 3D and i hate it!
So i'm thinking about lumia 800...
But what will i lose from android to Windows phone?
I read about battery problems , ad they bene fixed with update?
Are custom roms usefull?
I had never used zune, can i copy my music folder or its 's horrible like itunes?
Please, if lyou love/hate this phone tell me why so i can choose
Thanks a lot
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你等待wp8吧
撸妹800现在还不能完美越狱啊
翡冷翠的城 said:
你等待wp8吧
撸妹800现在还不能完美越狱啊
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Agreed.
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翡冷翠的城 said:
你等待wp8吧
撸妹800现在还不能完美越狱啊
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Agreed to!!!!!
maybe you want to change your lg 3d for lumia 800? i have one, used, in normal condition with no warranty, working offcourse, and with qualcomm bootloader?
pm me if you want to.
yes
WindowsPhone turned out to be good. My priorities are listed as follows in the ascending order:
Meego
Android
Windows
iOs
I dont like being leashed to something, Meego & Android are great. Android has certain inconsistencies wrt looks. The WindowsPhone is better, in that area. The best thing about WindowsPhone is the LiveTiles. It seemed boring & untoughtful in the beginning, then it all made perfect sense after using it for sometime. Its touch is like an 'i' device. But everything is faster & more accessible.
I used to Flash tons of roms on Android. Had a Galaxy Nexus & a SE Arc. Now on WindowsPhone Lumia 710. Loving it.
Based on past Windows Phones, etc and the Lumia's similar hardware to many Android phones, do any seasoned Windows developers think it is possible?
I'd buy the Lumia 920 in a heartbeat if it wasn't a Windows Phone.
UserDemos said:
Based on past Windows Phones, etc and the Lumia's similar hardware to many Android phones, do any seasoned Windows developers think it is possible?
I'd buy the Lumia 920 in a heartbeat if it wasn't a Windows Phone.
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I would assume that most people would not buy this if it was an Android phone
Unless the phone was actually released I would not expect any replies on this one.
Windows phone is much better then android. The only avantage of an android phone is the freedom of modification. Windows phone is much much saver and smoother then android and the importants thing is thay you can do EVERVTHING what android also can do. So its your choice which os you prefer but for ME and many other people its wp which makes the phone much more decenter.
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Lumia Running Android? :crying:
Close thread please..
Buy a N9 and run Android on it.
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Mafiatounes said:
Buy a N9 and run Android on it.
Verstuurd van mijn GT-I9300 met Tapatalk
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Better yet buy an Android phone...
try on 920 android whene i buy it
Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
Good luck.
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Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
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Actually I am sure the phone would sell if it had android on it. But simply said it doesn't and most likely will not do that anytime soon.
Everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes. If the apps you have are only available for android, then bad luck, in my opinion you are missing out.
As however was already mentioned before, this point is completely useless and even though this post is only supporting that fact, I again would like to mention:
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Nokia slept waiting for some miracle (Symbian Something or Meego, or who knows) for too long while Apple and Android (more like Samsung) grew bigger and bigger. It was under the truck before Elop was in charge (why do you think the board accepted a new foreign CEO?). If anything happens to Nokia it is because of their own fault.
Anyway I expect the 920 to really succeed, it will be great to have more players in the market. If it turns to be 50% as good as it looks, then I will buy it.
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Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
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Actually after several years on android I might change to Windows. I noticed that since I have the freedom of doing so much personalisation on my android I'm never happy with how it looks and performs - I might as well try something new. Nokia is synonym for stability and performance (talking about the hardware) and I'm really looking forward to the camera. Off all android-specific apps I only really need one: google music - and that works by using Gooroovster.
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Actually I am sure the phone would sell if it had android on it. But simply said it doesn't and most likely will not do that anytime soon.
Everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes. If the apps you have are only available for android, then bad luck, in my opinion you are missing out.
As however was already mentioned before, this point is completely useless and even though this post is only supporting that fact, I again would like to mention:
MODs, please close, pointless post at this point in time
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Yes true everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes to use, but look at how the WP fanboys trash the OP just because he/she asked if there's anyway to use Android on this device. Who provoked who first?
And the only thing Im missing out is the the NOkia hardware. I really dont give a rat's ass about M$ and their OS. Actually I consider it one of the main disadvantages of the phone.
And why close this thread? Isnt this a development forum where people come together to solve software issues? Im pretty sure this was never meant to be a trolling/ comparing thread. Some fan boys just need to chill out/ abstain from posting inflammatory comments and let people who have the solutions deal w it.
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Yes true everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes to use, but look at how the WP fanboys trash the OP just because he/she asked if there's anyway to use Android on this device. Who provoked who first?
And the only thing Im missing out is the the NOkia hardware. I really dont give a rat's ass about M$ and their OS. Actually I consider it one of the main disadvantages of the phone.
And why close this thread? Isnt this a development forum where people come together to solve software issues? Im pretty sure this was never meant to be a trolling/ comparing thread. Some fan boys just need to chill out/ abstain from posting inflammatory comments and let people who have the solutions deal w it.
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I agree, people should not get angry for such requests - everybody is free to ask for what they want. As you already said, the hardware is what I'm missing out as well, and who knows... I might even like Windows 8!
Mods, can this thread be closed ? This is going to just attract trolls.. and we know how we hate that here..
Obviously Nokia should be running Android. That's working out great for Samsung, right? Let's be realistic here. Aside from the money Nokia got from Microsoft for adopting Windows Phone, it's the better OS, on virtually every level.
I can say that objectively, too. I've had every major Android phone since the HTC Magic, including every Nexus device, and the HTC One X. I currently use a Galaxy Nexus. I've also had two Samsung Focuses, and a Nokia Lumia 900. I loved the OS. Absolutely loved it. Unfortunately, there was always some glaring flaw or glitch with the hardware that wouldn't let me keep running WP7. For instance, the Nokia I had (replaced twice) kept having issues disconnecting my calls for no reason. Kind of a problem, since I use my personal cell for meetings all day. The touch screen also annoyed me, as did the fit and finish, like the not-quite-flush SIM tray, and the rattling vibrate. No big deal, they've fixed most of that now, and I hear from a Lumia 900-owning friend that it's perfect.
Unfortunately, the Android game isn't going to last forever. OEMs are starting to realize that Google is never going to come to bat for them, and that running Android on all of their flagship devices is costing them a tremendous amount of time and money in legal battles. With Windows Phone, they pay a licensing fee, and Microsoft OWNS that OS. If they get sued over the OS, Microsoft is obligated to step in. Hardware is a different story, of course, but that's easy enough to overcome. If the Marketplace was up-to-par with iOS and Android, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. If WP7 was released a year earlier, that would definitely be the case. Thankfully, the Marketplace is getting much better, thanks to the likes of Nokia, and I see Samsung and HTC starting to help out in that arena.
Sure, Nokia is still hemorrhaging money. That may get fixed with time, or it may not. Nokia may go away. Thing is, if they had gone with Android, they'd be risking joining the same boat as Samsung. Sure, Samsung is on top of the world in smartphone sales, but how much of the profits they've earned do you think have been turned around and put into legal battles, R&D for redesigning hardware and software to get around injunctions, lost sales from injunctions, etc? Obviously they're still making a pretty solid profit, but I can guarantee you that that number is FAR higher than they're comfortable with. MeeGo could have been a real contender, but when you're really the only OEM building with the OS, it's hard for people to make that choice. Regardless, MeeGo is (unfortunately) gone now.
I, like many people, figured that Google was biding their time, waiting on just the right time to come to bat for Samsung and HTC, fighting off Microsoft's licensing fees, and Apple's ridiculous lawsuits, but they still haven't. Google is simply sitting back, waiting for the patent system to collapse instead. Problem is, even if that DOES eventually happen, it's certainly not going to be any time soon.
Do you think the OEMs don't see that? Do you think they don't care that they're being left out in the cold, to fend for themselves, while Google is reaping the benefits of their one-sided partnerships? Then, the second one of them tries to make a move to separate themselves from the Android pack, they get slapped on the wrist by Google for it, like the recent case with Acer. I notice that a lot of manufacturers are pulling out the stops for their WP8 offerings, where their WP7 offerings were mediocre (at best), even by WP7 standards. Going from the Samsung Focus to the Samsung ATIV, for example. Pretty epic stuff is happening, and I don't think it's entirely coincidental. I'm sure that some small part of all of these OEMs hopes that WP8 takes off, so that they can have a significant amount of marketshare in an environment where there's not such a constant legal risk.
I think that the Android ecosystem is going to start getting a little shaky in the next couple of years, especially if Microsoft can bring some more apps to the table for WP8. Let's just hope Nokia lasts that long, and Microsoft (and their customers) don't give up first.
Disclaimer: I realize that this is a pretty strong point of view, especially coming from someone who is enough of a fan to actually own Google and Android apparel. I'm not saying this is going to happen tomorrow, but I am saying that this is going to happen - eventually. Feel free to disagree with me, that's fine. Feel free to flame me about how much better Android is than Windows Phone. That's fine, it's your opinion. This is mine.
And, you know what? I'll give up all of these marvelous apps I have on Android to have my Zunepass back. Every single replacement I've tried on Android (MOG, etc) sucks. Give Windows Phone a chance, people. I can pretty much guarantee you'll like it a lot more than you think you will.
And, lastly... Sorry for the rant!
920 with Android!
Who is mad enough to buy that?
Nokia specs are nothing to be compared with Samsung and Apple LG HTC
So again why would anyone buy this limited phone with Android where there are S3/NoteII and HOX/+?
Its just a pointless request... Sorry to say that OP
morning thunder said:
920 with Android!
Who is mad enough to buy that?
Nokia specs are nothing to be compared with Samsung and Apple LG HTC
So again why would anyone buy this limited phone with Android where there are S3/NoteII and HOX/+?
Its just a pointless request... Sorry to say that OP
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Nokia Specs are nothing compared to who? Obviously someone has done no homework. You must be one of those people.
That phone is a flagship phone with flagship specs. If I didn't have a contract less than a year in with my carrier, it would easily be my next phone. I was running Mango on my HD2 and it was smoother than any phone I've owned. Windows Phone8 should be a major player as long as it is shoved in everyones faces. Unfortunately most people tend to listen to the idiot next to them instead of researching and learning on their own(apple fanboys). Nokia Lumia 920 side by side with the iPhone 5 compares favorably. Next to the SIII it still is inline spec wise. The difference is in operating systems and App Markets. iOS, Android had a big head start, but Windows is catching up fast. The UI for Windows is on par with iOS and already surpasses Android(due to hardware fragmentation). The Windows market lacks the number of apps that Andoiod and iOS enjoy, however I'm not a big app fan and most Windows functionality is built right into the OS. Go to the Nokia Website and do a little snooping around and you'll get an eye opener. The only reason someone(cotulla) put android on the HD2 was because there was no other phone with those specs at the time. You want Android now buy an Android phone.
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Actually after several years on android I might change to Windows. I noticed that since I have the freedom of doing so much personalisation on my android I'm never happy with how it looks and performs.
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That's exactly how I feel too. The bad thing with being able to customize android is that I'm always looking at trying to make my phone better but am never really happy with it. I change ROMs all the time and I'm constantly waiting for the devs to update something or release something new to make my phone better, yet I'm never really satisfied. I think I'd like WP8 for the fact that I know I won't want to swap ROMs or do anything special with it because it'll run like butter out of the box, not like with android.
i don't get this whole 2 and throw android has some great hardware but let down by software. the real question shouldn't be can android run on lumia but more can we port windows phone to say the htc one x or even the one x+ I really don't get why a company that supports both os's don't just put both on the same hardware so you could buy either variant. Now that would sell like hot cakes!
I've been following the new Lumia 920 since it was first rumored. Even after it was officially announced and the massive disappointment set in that it had nothing remotely close to the Pureview sensor, the saving grace was the optical stabilization and the idea of getting a smartphone with actual next-gen imaging capabilities that was a clear improvement over the same generic 8MP shooters the competition had been recycling for over two years. I checked google every day for "lumia 920", setting it to 24hrs and looking at the first two pages. However, the weeks turned into months, and even though there is a tentative November release date, the competition has already wrecnhed away a significant part of my interest in the Lumia, now that the holiday wars are starting. They should've never thought getting in the fray at this heated time would be a smart move.
When the Lumia 920 was announced, the best thing around was the Galaxy S III and the One X, both of which had already been a few months old and neither of which I liked. The One X I owned and wasn't wowed by. The Galaxy S III, another plasticky Samsung phone with a gaudy AMOLED screen that I had grown weary of after owning a half dozen Samsung phones prior. The iPhone5 came and went and I never cared for it either. Sony offerings were still a joke, and LG was half-hearted with the Optimus 4x. The Lumia 920 was the only one on my list. It was a guaranteed buy.
However, Nokia just kept pushing its luck, squandering their advantage, and now it's holiday season and the big guns are coming out with their 2012 Q4 lineup. LG has their Optimus G and even better Nexus 4 coming out. Motorola with their Razr M and Razr HD. HTC with their gorgeous looking 5" 1080p screen on the DNA/Butterfly. Sony with a possible Nexus 5. Asus and it's padfone 2. And other brands like Oppo throwing their hat in the flagship ring.
Windows Phone 8 is looking archaic in comparison. Microsoft still refuses to demo the rest of the UI. What can be seen looks no different than WP7 aside from more live tiles crammed in front. The slickness of the UI is basically a moot point by now. Android has reached parity with their quad-core phnoes, even without the help of JellyBean. The transitions on many of the custom skins are more complicated but just as smooth as any of the stark flying stuff on Windows Phone. This wasn't true a few months ago, when only the Galaxy S III's touchwiz looked truly smooth and all other Android phones, like the One X for example, couldn't quite make it. This smoothness is accompanied by far more functionality, with notification centers and widgets and everything else Android is known for. Windows Phone's signature smoothness, once a breath of fresh air from the choppy Android, falls to the wayside, and now there's nothing of real substance that makes it stand out above the Android competition.
The two traits of the Lumia 920 that kept me waiting for it are slowly losing their luster. The build quality is grand, but at this point I am fine with anything NOT Samsung made, and there are lots of premium quality phones to choose from. The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with. The biggest standout on Android phones right now is how big the screens can get while still maintaining such a small size with their thin bezels.
The Lumia 920 really needs to get released soon, and at a very competitive price.
I believe it will fail and we may see the slow death of Nokia. Android is getting stronger by the day and as much as I was tempted by a W8 phone I can't see myself leaving Android. Jellybean has bought many improvements things like Google Now and such.
The rumoured price for the L920 is high, higher than some top end Android phones!
Again we will need to see what WP8 offers because at the moment there are loads of core apps missing.
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I use android phones on daily basis and also from time to time my ip5. But will for sure get the 920, still looks damn sweet to me. And wp8 will be fun play around with for a change..
That doesn't say i not gona get the new nexus, htc, lg tho... but that is just android so not mutch new that will make me drool.
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I gave up waiting. I am disappointed with Nokia. In the end l went with the GN2 which has made me a very happy chappy!
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The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with.
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I have also stopped waiting and have ordered the Gnote 2 instead.
Aside from the build quality, camera, there really isn't anything that special the 920.
Windows Phone 8 is the same as WP7, with the new features being Microsoft merely playing catchup to Android- eg yay we now have NFC, microsd cards, drag and drop...Android has had this since the start...
More importantly, there is no app ecosystem with Windows phone and IF this is going to change (it probably will eventually), its going to take at least 12 months, in which time I'll reassess the latest Nokia flagship then.
For example, medical apps are pretty much non existent on WP with no plans from any of the big players to branch out into a market which has <4% market share. Even if this doubles in the next 12 months...8% is not a huge reason for devs to work on the platform.
Imo its too little too late from Microsoft...they're barely competing on quality with android and they're definitely not competing on price (which they could but won't)..so what's left?
In the meantime I will surely love my Gnote2 and reassess everything in 12 months
This Forbes article sums up WP8 really well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspe...-microsoft-windows-phone-8-is-not-a-surprise/
The GN2 won't disappoint you.
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I don't get it. How is the Lumia losing due to delays? The WP8 OS isn't even released yet (as in officially announced as released). Wasn't intended to be released until the PC OS was released (which was yesterday) and the announcement for WP8 is Monday.
Now, Lumia is not being released by AT&T until November 11th. I don't see how this is really founded.
The price point rumored will be $149 for upgrade so I think that is a VERY affordable price.
Maybe it's just me...
It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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Yeah, it was announced back then. Windows 8 was announced long before that. Nokia may have been a little early on announcement, but to say that it has been plagued with delays in pretty unfounded as no firm dates were announced until the Windows 8 release date was announced. None of those dates slipped.
As for the outright price point, no firm announcements, but the HTC 8X is coming in at $599, so I would imagine it would be around there or a little higher.
I prefer this over the GN2, simply because I'm starting to get bored of android, but the 920 is a beautiful device anyway. Can't wait and the delays don't really bother me if I'm honest.
Dont get me wrong, I love the phone too and think the hardware is absolutely gorgeous
However, I can't bring myself to use a platform which is so underwhelming and unsupported by the developer community.
From someone which has direct access to the sdk- Wp8 is going to be the same as wp7 with catch up features to Android (eg micro sd support) + skydrive sync + kids corner + rooms. Nothing special.
As someone who was completely underwhelmed by Wp7, this along with the lack of apps isn't enough to get me to jump to Wp8 despite my boredom with android as well.
In 12 months the platform will hopefully mature more, at which point I'll take a look at the Nokia 930 or whatever second gen phone it brings out then.
I am still getting it. Actually got in on the pre-order with best buy for 599 retail. Loved my Note but shelved it and returnded my ip5 and sold my gs3 for the Lumia 900 and happy. The 920 will be the tits
A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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Maybe if your coming from Android or IOS that may be the case. If you have a windows phone already its a no brainer. Windows 8 is fantastic I think so I see wp8 doing well. Won't knock of Android or IOS but Blackberry is in deep trouble.
I've owned a WP7 phone before. The Samsung Focus Flash. Was not impressed. I also played around alot with the Nokia 900. It's nice and slick and all that, but once you get past the superficial stuff, there isn't much underneath. I recently downloaded Letterpress for my iPad. Some reviewers were claiming it was the new Words with Friends. It had a very Metro inspired UI. It was slick and cool for a good minute. Then it got boring, and I found out I couldn't chat with players, do rematch games, and it wouldn't even notify me about games I lost. It made a great analogy for WP in general.
Honestly I still really like the Lumia 920 style and build. The 900 was great too. If only they weren't running WP7/8. I like super-solid and seamless unibody phones that look good. I also cannot sacrifice camera. Nokia is really the only true contender in this regard. HTC has a softer, more baggy version of a unibody polycarbonate phone, and a franky terrible camera (in my eyes only apparently). LG, Sony, and Samsung don't cut it in the build and style side. Motorola has good build, but man are their phones butt-ugly. Terrible camera as well. Build + Camera = Nokia.
But all the other factors come into play and you can't throw away everything else on your priority list just for the top two. If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP, and MS hasn't stepped it up to make it compelling besides wasting money on pathetic attack ads.
BTW to the people who say the phone wasn't delayed. Yes we knew WP8 wasn't gonna get released until late 2012 and no official dates were set for the phone release. That's not the point. There was this great stretch of a few months after the Galaxy S III launch that Microsoft could've taken to its advantage. That's why I say they squandered it. It's not an official delay, but for everyone involved, the people waiting, and the people selling, it is an unfortunate time to release it now. Even the iPhone5 was saying "hey! I'm gonna cut you some slack! Even though I'm gonna sell millions, I'm gonna tinker a bit with my factories, add a bit of scuffing, and delay full production til later in the year! You can have a head start and woo over the handful of my followers who are tired of looking at my backorder page! And that second wave of Android phones hasn't arrived yet! Don't waste the chance!" If Microsoft is still thinking it can compete in a face-to-face battle with iOS and Android, its future is doomed.
If you follow video game releases, you will know that a flood of games are also released around the holiday months, late Oct-Nov-Dec. The saturation of games makes it difficult for many lesser known games to stand out. They get trampled by the big name franchises. That's why so many are delayed to January and February, even though they are finished products. Microsoft doesn't have the luxury to delay it til next year. Unlike video games, in the smartphone world, you have to live at the bleeding edge, or become obsolete. Nokia's hardware is basically being dragged down by Microsoft's software. Why is Windows Phone still incomplete after years of development and then an additional two years already on the market? And billions spent?
Then there's Microsoft's problem of trying to confuse consumers by flooding the market with half a dozen similar sounding and not wholly compatible products. Windows 8. Windows Phone 8. Windows RT. Microsoft Surface. Microsoft Surface with Windows RT. They are somehow suppose to synergize with each other by being released all at once. If I wasn't so well read on all of these things, I would be hopelessly lost. In the sea of Microsoft ads, you just might remember something yellow and shiny. Is it a phone? A tablet? A deskop operating system? Or was it the other way around? Youtube and Hulu are being flooded with Windows 8 et al. right now. The only good thing is that they are overspending my local GOP SuperPAC's attack ads. So tired of listening about America turning into socialist Russia.
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If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP
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+1 I'd buy the phone in an instant if it ran android.
Nokia would easily usurp HTC and its uninspiring designs if it was in the Android game. Samsung has gotten so far ahead now that IMO only Nokia can be a true rival.
Of course they need to get on board Android first...which I can't see happening with Elop at the helm.
i cant hang on more
nokia u r failing the customers satisfaction. if u cant provide the 920, why launching it this early? i may buy optimus G.huh..!!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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Once I hit the lottery, or rob a bank, I'll join you! Or find Obama's secret college transcripts and give it to Trump!