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Ok, here we go. I tested three batteries for X10 mini pro. Testing conditions were real-time/normal use (that´s all we are interested in, and not some crazy testing programs) which means several calls, some mp3 listening (half an hour max), some wi-fi usage and browsing. GPS and background data transmission were always on. all tests were done at the same location (i.e. phone didn´t have to look for cells) with good 3,5G coverage. 00:to 9:00 phone was idle.
Time Ericsson Jin Dian Jinpintong
00:00 100% 100% 100%
09:00 60% 60% 65%
12:00 55% 52% 54%
15:00 28% 20% 44%
18:00 17% 16% 22%
21:00 dead at 19:30 dead at 19:00 8% (dead at 21:30)
As you can see the behaviour of the batteries is the same in the first 12 hours (until 50% discharge), the differences show up later.
I have attached a jpg file with battery pictures so that they can be easily identified. BST-38 was marked as 970mAh, Jin Dian 1420mAh and JPT as 1800mAh.
Tomorrow I will test the winner (JPT) switching the phone to GPRS only (no 3G)
thanks
would please give us a link to the Jinpintong battery please
alhout said:
would please give us a link to the Jinpintong battery please
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It is somewhere on ebay. Make a search on BST-38, then start looking at the pictures and compare with the one I posted. It is usually sold as "business battery". By the way the 1800 mAh written on it is bull**** as well, because theoretically it should give us at least 50% time increase, and as a result we get barely 2-3 hours extra.
By the way, can someone who owns a DEJI battery repeat my test, so that we will haveit for comparison?
cannot find Jinpintong battery on ebay...tried ebay.com and even hong kong ebay...nothing...
Makkar1 said:
cannot find Jinpintong battery on ebay...tried ebay.com and even hong kong ebay...nothing...
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I bought it from this guy http://myworld.ebay.com/efoodlifecn/ he erroneously had them listed as 1650 mAh batteries, and currently doesn´t have any BST-38 compatible ones listed, but write him and ask about it. Since he sells a lot of batteries (the yellowish ones) from the same JPY (jinpintong) factory, he must be their dealer.
how many charge cycles have the batteries gone through before testing?
I have the Jin Dian battery and haven't noticed much if any improvement over the stock battery
vanadium101 said:
how many charge cycles have the batteries gone through before testing?
I have the Jin Dian battery and haven't noticed much if any improvement over the stock battery
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That is exactly what my test shows. Jin Dian gives no improvement at all, and Jinpintong gives a marginal improvement of 2 hours.
The quantity of cycles doesn´t matter, as Li-Ion batteries have no memory effect, but just for information, all of them went through at least 10 cycles, before the test.
Nice comparison, i wonder if i can use these for the X10 Mini
No, you can't.
I´ve ordered a DEJI battery from DinoDirect, the one that everyone is praising, and as soon as it arrives, will repeat the same test for it.
are this tests made by modifiyng build prop battery info?
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are this tests made by modifiyng build prop battery info?
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Modifying build.prop battery info makes no difference on physical battery capacity. But if you doubt it, I can test DEJI battery (when it arrives) both with and without modifying.
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Modifying build.prop battery info makes no difference on physical battery capacity. But if you doubt it, I can test DEJI battery (when it arrives) both with and without modifying.
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yes i do think so but maybe the system have some sort of overcharging protection and limits battery performance...
good testing
Gx3 said:
yes i do think so but maybe the system have some sort of overcharging protection and limits battery performance...
good testing
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Overcharging protection is built into the battery itself.
"00:to 9:00 phone was idle." and have -40%?!
0:00 - 100%
9:00 - 60%
It is strange.
VadRox said:
"00:to 9:00 phone was idle." and have -40%?!
0:00 - 100%
9:00 - 60%
It is strange.
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All questions to Sony Ericsson. Why do you think everyone complains about battery time?
hi i just recently bought this wonderful phone call x10 mini pro and i was wondering to buy a battery to extend the battery life and i happen to stumble upon this battery call gold BST-38 its 1930 mAH and it cost around £9.75.It's a japan quality product but can only find in a uk store weird product or ebay.Can anyone test and tell me is this good or bad.TY(sorry for not being able to post the link cause i'm new)
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hi i just recently bought this wonderful phone call x10 mini pro and i was wondering to buy a battery to extend the battery life and i happen to stumble upon this battery call gold BST-38 its 1930 mAH and it cost around £9.75.It's a japan quality product but can only find in a uk store weird product or ebay.Can anyone test and tell me is this good or bad.TY(sorry for not being able to post the link cause i'm new)
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Why don´t you buy it and test it for us? 9 quid is not a lot of money.
VadRox said:
"00:to 9:00 phone was idle." and have -40%?!
0:00 - 100%
9:00 - 60%
It is strange.
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In my case when my battery going down fast, it's due to an application.
Sometimes I regret my P1i with 5 days of autonomy with a 5 years stock battery...
monstercheese said:
In my case when my battery going down fast, it's due to an application.
Sometimes I regret my P1i with 5 days of autonomy with a 5 years stock battery...
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I don´t think it´s an application. If I enter airplane mode (all applications still running) - I lose 5% for the time I lose 45% with transmission enabled. We have excellent 3,5G coverage, so no issue with signal loss or level.
It is just badly managed battery. When I was on win 6.5 it lasted MUCH longer. Btw. other Android phones suffer from the same - just check out the other forums - everyone complains about the same ****.
my battery last about 8hrs with barely no use. with average whatsapp and email i'd be lucky to get 3-4hrs. I've already tried every trick listed in the forum to extend batt life. it turns off randomly under heavy use (camera or video playback, games, etc). those things work when its on the charger.
I've decided to replace the battery and my back cover that doesn't seat properly anymore. i wanted to know if anyone have purchased the extend battery; and that back cover looks alot bigger than the original.
is it worth it? amazon.com item # B002MPY4BW
or should i just buy the standard replacement battery? amazon item # B001IF277K
what BST is the battery and what is the v.??
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Search eBay for a 3200 mah battery,I use that one and get a good day out of it with heavy use,and up to 4 days with light use,the phone battery is red and yellow sticker on it,it makes the phone fatter but for long battery you can't complain
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=987752 find it here
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bodomfan said:
Search eBay for a 3200 mah battery,I use that one and get a good day out of it with heavy use,and up to 4 days with light use,the phone battery is red and yellow sticker on it,it makes the phone fatter but for long battery you can't complain
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i saw that 3600mAh on ebay for $36. amazon have the 2600mAh for $20. it's listed for x10a. just to verify.. thats the same batt for x10i?
the back cover on ebay looks better. i think i'll get that one if it works on x10i.
thx for ur help
The model # on my battery is the X10a
I personally had the same problem got a new battery and it lasted much longer
Go extended.
If anything it's healthier for the device.
yea... i think that would be best.
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Go extended.
If anything it's healthier for the device.
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Really?
Aren't original batteries a safer choice?
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iridaki said:
Really?
Aren't original batteries a safer choice?
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The original battery is too small.
They may have been built in a SE factory but the current rating is too low for the x10's demands.
SE would have solved many problems by just using a larger cell.
The x10 sometimes requests more current that what those poor cells could supply.
Due to a overly hungry GSM 3G radio.
OmegaRED^ said:
The original battery is too small.
They may have been built in a SE factory but the current rating is too low for the x10's demands.
SE would have solved many problems by just using a larger cell.
The x10 sometimes requests more current that what those poor cells could supply.
Due to a overly hungry GSM 3G radio.
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Yes, that makes sense, but is there any sort of guarantee that these no-name batteries use actually larger cells and produce higher rating?
All I'm saying is I am a bit reluctant to trust cheap so-called extended batteries.
i think the original batteries are weak too. don't even have 3G here. at first it lasted a full day with just music, texting and calls. once i added data it dropped more than half.
know whats odd tho.. at home on wifi i get longer battery life. i think it has something to do with this mobile data service.
quick update.. got the new battery.. went with the original so far 21hrs and i'm at 13% batt life. i'm happy rite now. i kno thats gonna go down a bit once my provider remove that blackberry data plan(had to use a BB for 2 weeks) and have my regular data working again.
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quick update.. got the new battery.. went with the original so far 21hrs and i'm at 13% batt life. i'm happy rite now. i kno thats gonna go down a bit once my provider remove that blackberry data plan(had to use a BB for 2 weeks) and have my regular data working again.
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Can you post a link, to which you as chosen ?
thank-you.
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Can you post a link, to which you as chosen ?
thank-you.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001IF277K/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
the seller i bought from no longer have it listed so the the result is from another seller
I suggest a 2600mAh from amazon, ur fone will be a lot bigger but its wonderful superb for gaming is mind
Wolfbreak v7 gaming rom
Doomkernel v6 1113
Unlocked amd unbranded... Bye bye vodafone
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Replacement Battery
nasser4life said:
quick update.. got the new battery.. went with the original so far 21hrs and i'm at 13% batt life. i'm happy rite now. i kno thats gonna go down a bit once my provider remove that blackberry data plan(had to use a BB for 2 weeks) and have my regular data working again.
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Did the same. My battery was getting temps of 45c and higher. Now with new battery doesnt really go over 33-34c. Lasting lot longer aswell.
i'm using momax bettary for x10 and i think it's really good
at least better than the offical one
babuhao said:
i'm using momax bettary for x10 and i think it's really good
at least better than the offical one
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i'm assuming that's one of the extended ones. did it double the size of your phone?
I was wondering why the stock battery was going far beyond 50 degress when overclocking. So I bought a battery over EBAY.
DISCLAIMER! IM NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING. THIS IS SOLELY MY EXPERIENCE WITH A NON STOCK BATTERY!
Just had the battery for some hours. Not fully loaded. But I get only 27 degress under stability test. Not bad actually. And the phone doesnt get hot.
Try out yourself. Will do a following up with drain and capabilites these days.
Chinafake! This battery has never 2430MAh.
Never stated nor defending this product. Im just telling what the product says. I dont know own nor have a device to measure such claims.
Im just telling that for now Im glad my phone is not going over 30 degrees when heavy overclocking my ACTIVE. Until now Im having good battery times. Tried several EP500 stock batteryes and all when rancid passing the 50 degree marker.
Our phone are chinese assembly so Im not worried with a scam battery from china.
I bought once that bat for my Samsung i900
so they are same !
in stock battery was 1400 ( i dont remember ) and there 2430 gold battery , no diference the same time of working without charging.
Well allready knew it before I bought it.
And I will say this. Its as good as the stock in termes of drainages and times up on battery. With the slightly difference, it doesnt go past 30 degree no matter what you do, so here my knowlegde is null. So by not heating nor generating heat it do deliver when asked.
Good looking, nice cooled but nothing new.
friend's tip
before buying that, i asked my friend is it safe or will it work properly? he just said i bought it few months ago, now it's totally spoiled. that's why i didn't go through that kind of stuff
Considering
I'm sorry, I didn't catch it very clear. I'm considering this battery from eBay and I have a question.
- Is it last longer than Sony EP500's default battery?
- Is it going to damage my phone?
- Is it going to damage me?
- Since I won't buy the expensive default anyway, is selecting higher capacity a better choice?
- How is it now, the one that you bought?
Thank you in advance
Netgic said:
Chinafake! This battery has never 2430MAh.
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I thought it's from Japan, am I missing something here?
n1c3.sleepL said:
I bought once that bat for my Samsung i900
so they are same !
in stock battery was 1400 ( i dont remember ) and there 2430 gold battery , no diference the same time of working without charging.
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So it doesn't last any longer than the actual Sony's battery?
darvishzadeh said:
before buying that, i asked my friend is it safe or will it work properly? he just said i bought it few months ago, now it's totally spoiled. that's why i didn't go through that kind of stuff
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When it's spoiled, was the phone damaged?
is fake or not?
I think a battery with twice would have to be bigger!
try 1300mAh EP500 I think this is true!
axcs said:
is fake or not?
I think a battery with twice would have to be bigger!
try 1300mAh EP500 I think this is true!
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Likely fake, because of the size.
1300mAh doesn't give much more juice, so I better don't waste money on it.
My phone also heats up under heavy usage... so what do you think?? Battery is the culprit??
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fake.
price!!
Soulfly1976 said:
I was wondering why the stock battery was going far beyond 50 degress when overclocking. So I bought a battery over EBAY.
DISCLAIMER! IM NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING. THIS IS SOLELY MY EXPERIENCE WITH A NON STOCK BATTERY!
Just had the battery for some hours. Not fully loaded. But I get only 27 degress under stability test. Not bad actually. And the phone doesnt get hot.
Try out yourself. Will do a following up with drain and capabilites these days.
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estimeted price.
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estimeted price.
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Hi I bought a 2400 mAh (EP500)
buena bateria pero se calienta
good experience is good in terms of duration but the downside of it is that hot and when it reaches 67 degrees Celsius the phone is turned off ... you have to wait to cool and turn it on because at that temperature you off again ..
regards
Ep 500 Gold 2430mAh
I just want to share my experience about this product
The battery physical appearance is very good but their very major problems in performance such as
1)This battery never got 100% charged by whatever means i.e AC charging or USB charging
2)The temperature is very high and this makes the device to misbehave
3)The battery drains faster than is original 1200mAh which is a very big question because as it calming to be twice powerful than original one i.e 2430mAh
By everything about this product I personally don't recommend this to anyone
If u anyone would help me to troubleshoot these problems it would be really appreciated,
Kindly get me at [email protected]
i had ep500 gold battery, i thought the performance similiar like original battery, 2430mAh is fake:silly:
That's fantastic. I love big capacity battery for long time !
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That's fantastic. I love big capacity battery for long time !
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did you even read the discussion?
so, is it better to buy a 1500 mah EP500 than this?
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so, is it better to buy a 1500 mah EP500 than this?
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if it's an original one, then yes. if it's some custom battery you found on eBay, then don't bother.
I just wanted to know that, is there any more powerful battery out there for live with walkman?
I want to know it too, i search it in ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GOLD-2430MA...018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41690eb9ea
I dont know what, more my baterry is during 8 hours our lower... Im using Real ice line + kernel panic.
I think kernel panic uses more battery.. Just try mesa
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Man, with me, the mesa kernel, lag all time during use. For unlock screen and using walkman i get hard lag... How time ur battery stand ?
For example, the 7 h +- my baterry was 100%, now, 12:15 +- is 66%, just 1 call(5 min) and some sms´s. Operator signal are full.
its all about mAh
leo4b said:
I want to know it too, i search it in ebay:
"cant post links yet sorry"
I dont know what, more my baterry is during 8 hours our lower... Im using Real ice line + kernel panic.
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for mdip devices i guess the average mAh is 1160, in the link above, the battery has 2430 mAh so it will last for long the more mAh, the more capacity a battery have.
sorry for my bad english
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Man, with me, the mesa kernel, lag all time during use. For unlock screen and using walkman i get hard lag... How time ur battery stand ?
For example, the 7 h +- my baterry was 100%, now, 12:15 +- is 66%, just 1 call(5 min) and some sms´s. Operator signal are full.
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Which rom are u using? I get less than 1% per hour when phone is idle..
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real ics lite and ics pureness, now is pureness...
leo4b said:
real ics lite and ics pureness, now is pureness...
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Did you calibrate your battery ?
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Isn't that battery is fake?We have discussed it at other thread...listen,higher mAh battery = bigger size battery
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Try Rage kernel. It can save more energy than other kernels. At the night (9 hours) in deep sleep mode LwW need only 6% of battery.
How i can calibrate ?
m4nz said:
I just wanted to know that, is there any more powerful battery out there for live with walkman?
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check this out...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2017891
That people selling 2430mah ep500 batteries are simply liars.
"The official Dimensions (Approx.) : EP500 battery: 42.3mm x 45mm x 6.1mm2"
That means the battery has a volume of 11,6ml.
If we are talking about state of the art lithium batteries you'll get 250 to 620 Wh/l.
That means we get 2,9Wh to 7,2Wh
For a typical voltage of 3,7V that makes 780mAh to 1,940mAh.
Bear in mind the housing, contacts and protection against abusive conditions eats some of the space.
Extremely high energy density is only possible when you sacrifice power density in state of the art li-ion-technology and vice versa .
You will not get much more capacity until there are true next-gen batteries on the market.
If the battery really had 2430mAh for that price, they would sell millions and millions...
I guess the battery will have less capacity than the original (maybe it will even have less weight, thats always a hint on cheap batteries, for more capacity you need more active material unless you change technology).
most cheap batteries i have seen, had about 20% less capacity than the original.
additionally you can never be sure that cheaply made batteries will fulfill safety standards like un3480.
that means it can withstand abusive conditions, like high and low temperature, altitude, shock, vibration, etc without bursting in flames, exploding or leaking.
or was the producer too stingy with the expensive seperator and it will suffer internal shorts?
you will never know.
i have one third party ep500 battery here and it sucks. it weighs about 5g less than the original.
honestly only batteries from renowned brands are the real deal. sony and co put the best they have in high margin markets.
you can use new sony ep-500 battery with 1500 mA capacity
m4nz said:
I just wanted to know that, is there any more powerful battery out there for live with walkman?
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+1
the best kernel
the rage kernel is best for battery
der*bene said:
That people selling 2430mah ep500 batteries are simply liars.
"The official Dimensions (Approx.) : EP500 battery: 42.3mm x 45mm x 6.1mm2"
That means the battery has a volume of 11,6ml.
If we are talking about state of the art lithium batteries you'll get 250 to 620 Wh/l.
That means we get 2,9Wh to 7,2Wh
For a typical voltage of 3,7V that makes 780mAh to 1,940mAh.
Bear in mind the housing, contacts and protection against abusive conditions eats some of the space.
Extremely high energy density is only possible when you sacrifice power density in state of the art li-ion-technology and vice versa .
You will not get much more capacity until there are true next-gen batteries on the market.
If the battery really had 2430mAh for that price, they would sell millions and millions...
I guess the battery will have less capacity than the original (maybe it will even have less weight, thats always a hint on cheap batteries, for more capacity you need more active material unless you change technology).
most cheap batteries i have seen, had about 20% less capacity than the original.
additionally you can never be sure that cheaply made batteries will fulfill safety standards like un3480.
that means it can withstand abusive conditions, like high and low temperature, altitude, shock, vibration, etc without bursting in flames, exploding or leaking.
or was the producer too stingy with the expensive seperator and it will suffer internal shorts?
you will never know.
i have one third party ep500 battery here and it sucks. it weighs about 5g less than the original.
honestly only batteries from renowned brands are the real deal. sony and co put the best they have in high margin markets.
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That's not right! I've bought mine at this link, and he's is working like a charm! So It can be true! :good:
Just picked up a new replacement battery for the G3, will test and see how much longer this supposedly "3800" rating is...=)
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Just picked up a new replacement battery for the G3, will test and see how much longer this supposedly "3800" rating is...=)
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good luck budy...i hope your phone dont die or that battery dont explode...is a well known battery and some people have a lot of problems with that...
i dont recomend that kind of battery...is way better spend more 5/10 bucks for original one and have two battery's.
anyway, good luck!!
Really interested in seeing the results as well. I have been looking for a slim battery that will last me through the whole day easily.
Yes, I'm also very curious!
When I was looking for spare batteries I've seen this one but I did not trust is because of the big capacity increase...
Let us now how it works out!
My SOT is so bad. I just installed a mod to increase the battery life. Let's hope that works.
Found review for the one OP posted. Does not look that good. There is another one here with so-so review.
AnTuTu Battery Results....
After my second full charge, i ran the AnTuTu Battery Tester, and lets just say it didnt like this battery at all. I will continue to use it for the rest of the week, and see how it performs on a more with my normal day-to-day usage. I will also post another benchmark on the original battery after a full year of usage, and see how it compares to the new one.
LG Battery History....
...this is the screen shot from the Battery Widget, on the Battery History, when the AnTuTu Battery Benchmark was running, so it looks like only getting around 2+ hours....
Don't believe what the knock off batteries say. There's no way they can fit more battery into the same size as the original without dumping millions into R&D to create a new type of battery.
....after a week of usage, buyer beware...lol, you get what you pay for I guess. really just a sub-par battery, and I will now be using as power bank replacement...and continue using the ORIGINAL battery which came with the device...lol, $9 for a power bank ok i guess... Just Buy the Real Stuff people.
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....after a week of usage, buyer beware...lol, you get what you pay for I guess. really just a sub-par battery, and I will now be using as power bank replacement...and continue using the ORIGINAL battery which came with the device...lol, $9 for a power bank ok i guess... Just Buy the Real Stuff people.
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Yeeeeeep, the cheapo batteries off ebay always overstate the mah of the battery, and after a few months begin to degrade very rapidly, and your battery life will be worse.
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Don't believe what the knock off batteries say. There's no way they can fit more battery into the same size as the original without dumping millions into R&D to create a new type of battery.
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Hi, thats not correct. First, the companys dont invest millions in this batterys. We have the same technic in the g4 as it was in the g2.
Second, sure its possible to get more mah in a pack with the same size.
To get more with the same size, the distance between the celles get smaller.
So they bring in more cells in the same size.
But the problem is that 500mah is nothing.
With standard 3000mah we take a number of 3 hours SOT.
If we count simple, we get from 500mah the power for only 30min.
To get the full power of a battery its recommend to make around 5 to 8 full loading phases. In this time the battery is the same or a little less than the original.
Is the loading phase complete, we get like count around 30min more.
If the screen is brighter or you write a sms more then normal the min go down.
So, i would say thats normaly its not measurable but its really more power inside.
I buy alwasy cheap batterys and had never problems. All manufacterer of batterys buy the cells from 3 or 4 big companies. Inside is all the same.
watch out guys!!!!
i have used cheape batteries from ebay amazon ect.......
after 2 batteries my motherboard died !!!! and even befor that my device have said many times battery invailed and wont power on because the contact (piece tgat contact the battery and suply the power) wasn't recaching into the cheap battery