So I've heard that the chip in the Photon is LTE capable. I was wondering if anyone else has heard this and how true it is? I love the photon and like to hear it's true before I upgrade.
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So I've heard that the chip in the Photon is LTE capable. I was wondering if anyone else has heard this and how true it is? I love the photon and like to hear it's true before I upgrade.
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Hi,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1615844&highlight=lte
Briefly, people who did the teardown say no, some people have allegedly reviewed emails from Moto saying yes (but they have supplied no supporting evidence).
If you want a safe answer today as part of deciding whether to upgrade, then Answer - NO, not LTE. If you want to wait, Answer likely still = No.
Even if it has the chip, I personally cannot imagine that Moto and Sprint will do the SW upgrade and network provisioning for a 1-year old phone.
Better yet. Read the Photon Compendium. In the Specs section it answers that question so then nobody has to post anything.
EDIT:
In another thread I posted what is as close to a layman's guide as your going to get as to why even though it may be possible, it is legally and economically unfeasible. It went ignored by pretty much everybody but devs and those with RF experience. I guess I need to copypasta that post in the compendium and start linking it in inch tall red letters every time this come up.
This question is personally starting to make me puke! (Sorry) It's been asked, answered, documented no less than 15 times. Every developer here has tried to explain this but no one listens. Done!
willysp said:
Hi,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1615844&highlight=lte
Briefly, people who did the teardown say no, some people have allegedly reviewed emails from Moto saying yes (but they have supplied no supporting evidence).
If you want a safe answer today as part of deciding whether to upgrade, then Answer - NO, not LTE. If you want to wait, Answer likely still = No.
Even if it has the chip, I personally cannot imagine that Moto and Sprint will do the SW upgrade and network provisioning for a 1-year old phone.
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I admire your restraint.
I'm with dsims7_2000, this is so over done. No LTE, No LTE chipset. Can not turn apples into oranges, just not gonna happen.
Sorry if I offended any dev cause that wasn't my intent! I've seen mixed reviews and also a spec sheet that states LTE: YES. I'm probably going to upgrade but it would be nice if it was.
I was just so hopeful lol!
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Sorry if I offended any dev cause that wasn't my intent! I've seen mixed reviews and also a spec sheet that states LTE: YES. I'm probably going to upgrade but it would be nice if it was.
I was just so hopeful lol!
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Where is this spec sheet that says it can do LTE? I highly doubt it says that. Even if the chip supports LTE, it won't have the correct LTE band class 26 antennas that is needed to support PCS LTE. I don't feel like explaining in more detail but trust me, the Photon does NOT support LTE.
ericdabbs said:
Where is this spec sheet that says it can do LTE? I highly doubt it says that. Even if the chip supports LTE, it won't have the correct LTE band class 26 antennas that is needed to support PCS LTE. I don't feel like explaining in more detail but trust me, the Photon does NOT support LTE.
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Thanks. Somebody else the understands RF!
So far I've killed a Photon, explained antenna design, explained RF, explained the legal aspects. Rumors are a hard thing to kill my friend, hard to kill indeed.
wi-maxx only :crying: dope ass phone though
ericdabbs said:
Where is this spec sheet that says it can do LTE? I highly doubt it says that. Even if the chip supports LTE, it won't have the correct LTE band class 26 antennas that is needed to support PCS LTE. I don't feel like explaining in more detail but trust me, the Photon does NOT support LTE.
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I'll find it again and post it!
jmsdahutt said:
Sorry if I offended any dev cause that wasn't my intent! I've seen mixed reviews and also a spec sheet that states LTE: YES. I'm probably going to upgrade but it would be nice if it was.
I was just so hopeful lol!
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These guys did a really good job of being nice answering this. They are right, and I am sure in the future you will look a little deeper. But sometimes if you aren't frequently in the forums you can miss topics like this.
Anyway, be glad that Photon owners/devs are generally nicer people. I used to have an Evo 4G and there were some real assholes over there.
bradleyw801 said:
I used to have an Evo 4G and there were some real assholes over there.
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No they we not! They were the coolest, nicest, most amazing devs ever!!!
www.fullhdmi-vs-hdmwin-sucked.com (i will never visit that place again)
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No they we not! They were the coolest, nicest, most amazing devs ever!!!
www.fullhdmi-vs-hdmwin-sucked.com (i will never visit that place again)
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HAHAHA That's right, I almost forgot you were like Switzerland in that whole debacle. I was very much in the Orrebmas camp. Anyway, I am much happier here.
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These guys did a really good job of being nice answering this. They are right, and I am sure in the future you will look a little deeper. But sometimes if you aren't frequently in the forums you can miss topics like this.
Anyway, be glad that Photon owners/devs are generally nicer people. I used to have an Evo 4G and there were some real assholes over there.
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I just saw this on another page! I don't know if it's true but thought I post it for people who are interested!
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Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period. There is no argument here, find it for yourself. Sprint will have LTE but not for awhile, as for the Photon working on it, who knows, but I am damn sure that it is capable of it. If you are asking a Sprint Rep any questions about a phone, 97.38782% of them don't know much about them, yes there are a few who actually do their homework on each and every phone they come across but that is few and far between. ( And in case you work at Sprint and you are reading this, don't take it personal, I'm just saying that most reps sell phones, they don't study them and know them inside and out) As for Motorola, who knows, it all depends on who you talk to, but I would believe one of them over a random Sprint rep who 'sells' phones for a living, being that Motorola actually built the thing.
But all you really need to do is plug it in and look for yourself.
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I just saw this on another page! I don't know if it's true but thought I post it for people who are interested!
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Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period. There is no argument here, find it for yourself. Sprint will have LTE but not for awhile, as for the Photon working on it, who knows, but I am damn sure that it is capable of it. If you are asking a Sprint Rep any questions about a phone, 97.38782% of them don't know much about them, yes there are a few who actually do their homework on each and every phone they come across but that is few and far between. ( And in case you work at Sprint and you are reading this, don't take it personal, I'm just saying that most reps sell phones, they don't study them and know them inside and out) As for Motorola, who knows, it all depends on who you talk to, but I would believe one of them over a random Sprint rep who 'sells' phones for a living, being that Motorola actually built the thing.
But all you really need to do is plug it in and look for yourself.
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Wow
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Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period. There is no argument here, find it for yourself. Sprint will have LTE but not for awhile, as for the Photon working on it, who knows, but I am damn sure that it is capable of it. If you are asking a Sprint Rep any questions about a phone, 97.38782% of them don't know much about them, yes there are a few who actually do their homework on each and every phone they come across but that is few and far between. ( And in case you work at Sprint and you are reading this, don't take it personal, I'm just saying that most reps sell phones, they don't study them and know them inside and out) As for Motorola, who knows, it all depends on who you talk to, but I would believe one of them over a random Sprint rep who 'sells' phones for a living, being that Motorola actually built the thing.
But all you really need to do is plug it in and look for yourself.
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If it was LTE sprint would be selling it.
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Plug the photon in and look in device manager, it has an LTE modem period. There is no argument here, find it for yourself. Sprint will have LTE but not for awhile, as for the Photon working on it, who knows, but I am damn sure that it is capable of it. If you are asking a Sprint Rep any questions about a phone, 97.38782% of them don't know much about them, yes there are a few who actually do their homework on each and every phone they come across but that is few and far between. ( And in case you work at Sprint and you are reading this, don't take it personal, I'm just saying that most reps sell phones, they don't study them and know them inside and out) As for Motorola, who knows, it all depends on who you talk to, but I would believe one of them over a random Sprint rep who 'sells' phones for a living, being that Motorola actually built the thing.
But all you really need to do is plug it in and look for yourself.
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Send screen shot please as I have spent over an hour looking and I see no mention of LTE!
Click on Exhibit 9. Above the board battery is the Beeceem radio. It has been verified numerous times that the radio is the Beceem BCSM350-L which is NOT lte. The post referenced by the OP supposedly showing a lte modem also shows up on a number of Moto devices including the Droid X2. The FACT is that the Photon has a BCSM350 radio. If needed, I will destroy my phone and post high-res images of every chip on the board to kill this stupid rumor.
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Click on Exhibit 9. Above the board battery is the Beeceem radio. It has been verified numerous times that the radio is the Beceem BCSM350-L which is NOT lte. The post referenced by the OP supposedly showing a lte modem also shows up on a number of Moto devices including the Droid X2. The FACT is that the Photon has a BCSM350 radio. If needed, I will destroy my phone and post high-res images of every chip on the board to kill this stupid rumor.
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Lmaoooo
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Did anyone watch this? Saw bits and pieces. Looks like LTE in 2013. And 1x advance but no mention if EV-do rev b. If my facts are wrong feel free to cirrect me. This is just what I read.
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wonder what will happen to our phones if we continue to keep it after 2013. they've only said that WiMax will continue to operate through 2012 but not after -.-
Granted i know people would already be getting new phones by then but what about the ones who keep their phones for longer?
kwazytazz said:
wonder what will happen to our phones if we continue to keep it after 2013. they've only said that WiMax will continue to operate through 2012 but not after -.-
Granted i know people would already be getting new phones by then but what about the ones who keep their phones for longer?
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No WiMax will continue to operate, but it will no longer be funded, or have devices sold for it.
But, this probably also means if the tower catches fire and kills every thing, that it won't be replaced.
Equivalent of an analog base station dieing today, no sense it forking out the cash the repair it so the guy with the bag phone can connect.
Kcarpenter said:
No WiMax will continue to operate, but it will no longer be funded, or have devices sold for it.
But, this probably also means if the tower catches fire and kills every thing, that it won't be replaced.
Equivalent of an analog base station dieing today, no sense it forking out the cash the repair it so the guy with the bag phone can connect.
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hmm that's interesting. maybe by then everyone will jump on LTE and the WiMax node won't be so congested and we get better speeds! thats a plus for users that will stay with their phones.
i do see myself staying with this phone for a while because of the great quality, kick stand, best reception and ofcourse SIMCARD! but i have to admit that if there will be a good phone coming out with a good keyboard i will get it simcard or not.
coming from a series of keyboard phones (blackberry curve, moto q, palm 800w, touchpro, touchpro2, samsung epic) its hard to get used to touch screen. i feel like i dont even use the phone for texting as much no more because touchscreen keyboard gives me so much typos.
They said they would continue to sell WiMAX products into 2012 so I can't imagine they're going to sell them one month and then drop WiMAX support the next. However, it did look like there won't be any expansion of WiMAX beyond what's there already so I would think if you were buying a phone next year you would want the new LTE versions. Again, referring to purchases in mid 2012, not now. The way they described the new base stations it sounds like they can support WiMAX, LTE and CDMA across multiple frequencies all in one tower (which is what they're trying to get to so they have just one network to support) - but I'm not totally sure they'll have WiMAX in their own towers. It's supposed to save them somewhere around $4 Billion consolidating their network this way.
They also stated that wherever they had 3G they would have 4G. This all sounds really good if they actually execute it.
BGR covered the event with a live blog. Here's the link:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/07/live-from-sprints-strategy-update-event/
I believe I also heard they will be rolling out Motorola LTE enabled devices in 2012 towards the begining. But who knows.
so if we get 1x at least we get voice and data at same time, now do our photons support this??
I thought I heard someplace that the phones released in the latter part of this year would support it. IE Evo 3D, Photon, Epic Touch. But I"m not sure how true that was.
xTMFxOffshore said:
I thought I heard someplace that the phones released in the latter part of this year would support it. IE Evo 3D, Photon, Epic Touch. But I"m not sure how true that was.
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not really sure how much truth it has as no one has any concrete information if any of the wimax phones support it
From what I heard the Evo 3D won't support the LTE, so I'm guessing the Photon probably won't either. But I think they said it would support the 1X. But again, this is just some of what I was reading on the forums. So take that with a grain of salt. But sometimes the info on here is legit.
voice and data at the same time is a cdma limitation not the device, and the Photon does not support LTE. But it is still a killer phone
Personally, I feel a bit cheated. Sprint picked the wrong technology out of the gate and is now trying to catch up. I still have not gotten the WiMax they said would be here by now. Had an EVO since day one and have never been able to connect to WiMax on either phone.
I pay the same amount as others but don't get the same amount of services. For some reason it almost feels like something about it should be illegal. Just feel a bit taken. Plus, no guarantee that around 2013 when the LTE network is gaining ground something better won't pop up that makes LTE look like dial-up. Then, same thing all over again.
I think we all saw this coming one day. Wimax is not great and penetration is horrible. Moving to LTE is the smartest thing they could do. I don't like that my phone is officially obsolete after 2012 but what can you do. People are still buying phones that I consider obsolete right out the door. ie..Galaxy sII epic touch. I just hope when I am ready to decide on staying with sprint or leaving that there will be a market for selling my phone and I won't lose a bunch of money on it. I am not going to wait till the time nears.
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voice and data at the same time is a cdma limitation not the device, and the Photon does not support LTE. But it is still a killer phone
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well evdo - 1x advanced overcomes this limitation and that is where Sprint is heading in 2012, the photon does support evdo rev b, but not sure about 1x advanced
Guess we will have to see
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That was super long winded but had some good info to go and research. But we'll see what actually happens.
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can we get a cliff notes version there
Good info and thanks for the read.
and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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So u felt a lag?
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So u felt a lag?
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yeah i did, but not much. i don't want ppl on here to go crazy denial on me like they did on my other post. lol
but i did feel it. but then again, i had my SGS2 oc'd to 1.5ghz. so it blew it away.
but at 1.2ghz, it was nearly the same. OG SGS2 a "little" faster.
but i was impressed. even though it has the same res as the SGS2, the screen wasn't horrible. put it like this: if you live in an LTE market and DONT have an OG SGS2 already, i'd get it. honestly.
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Even in non-LTE markets? That seems doubtful to kill your flagship after a month. They still sell terrible phones, why stop selling the arguable best phone you offer?
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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What is "OG" sgs2? Original?
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yeah OG is the original.
and dude idk!
i have no idea why they are going to stop selling it. it's messed up and we were all shocked about it.
they're even going to stop selling the atrix 2(which isn't great) but you get me?
i think it could only be in LTE markets, but still, it's the best phone we offer.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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whoa lol i work for best buy mobile and we haven't heard that yet if thats true damn haha can't wait to get my skyrocket
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
pguillory08 said:
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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Does the lte sgs2 have an fm radio?
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
They don't sell the OG S2 in California corporate stores, but I don't know if the Skyrocket is the reason.
No its not. Corporate stores will only order them for you. But starting this wknd even that is going to be to an end. :/
It already sucked that they never sold em in stores. Well, corporate stores. Lol.
I've learned to be very clear around here.
Maybe they're just taking their original SGS2's and replacing them with their new LTE chip, so that way, they're not necessarily restocking or anything...
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
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I'd like to see this documentation.
pguillory08 said:
Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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I can confirm this as well. My rep told me the same thing, the SGS2 is selling very well for AT&T and there are no plans to stop selling it.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd love to see this proof you speak of.
pguillory08 said:
Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here?
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Yes, I do. Judging from your overly emotional response to posts that question the validity of your claims.
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If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
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What does pride have to do with it? They will market LTE heavily in the areas that have, but they will not discontinue a phone that sells well to force people onto LTE. The store reps will BS the consumer into thinking the LTE phone is the greatest thing in the world.
Um... When did you tell us about the skyrocket being a "wack" snapdragon? Everyone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't information from sites/press release and the fact that the phone is out in Korea indicate the specs? Also let us not forget the fact that qualcomm will not or doesn't have to capability built in to offer an LTE solution that doesn't use their chips.
Blaze9 said:
Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
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Figure I'd post this here and keep it somewhat updated so we dont have multiple threads all over the place in general for each device and news event.
1) here its Official Sprint gets Nexus First half of 2012...Sprints version WILL come with Google Wallet(NFS enabled) too....suck it Verizon! UPDATE: 32Gb confirmed!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/sprint-gets-4g-lte-and-galaxy-nexus-its-official/
http://www.sprint.com/landings/lte/index.html?ECID=MA:AB:20120109:CES:GLX:NXS:300x1050
Update:
Engadget hands on video. http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/11/sprint-samsung-galaxy-nexus-hands-on-video/
2) Also a nice LG LTE phone on its way to sprint...
1.2GHz dual-core CPU, 4-inch Nova WVGA Display, Android 2.3.7. 5 megapixel rear cam, VGA front. case is made entirely from recycled plastic ....
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/hands-on-with-lg-viper-sprint-lte-smartphone/
3) "... Sierra Wireless Tri-Network Hotspot will be able to connect to Sprint’s 3G, 4G LTE, and 4G WiMax networks, and support up to eight users at the same time. A built-in microSD card slot will enable teams to share documents easily.
In all, Sprint expects to launch around 15 4G LTE devices in 2012, including addtional smartphones, tablets, and data cards. ..."
http://blog.laptopmag.com/sprint-an...viper-and-sierra-wireless-tri-network-hotspot
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I will continue to update this post during CES with info related to Sprint and such...
Good to see 4 inch screen phones are still relevant. I personally think it's the perfect size.
Will keep a close eye on Sprint's summit.
I love it when CES goes on. I don't like waiting all year long for stuff to finally come out. And, I noticed that Sprint doesn't look to be providing a Keynote this year... Maybe HTC?
That LG Viper looks like a mixup of an EVO and a Galaxy
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Wish they would get the 32GB version of the Nexus
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Good to see 4 inch screen phones are still relevant. I personally think it's the perfect size.
Will keep a close eye on Sprint's summit.
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yeah will be interesting to see what David Owens of Sprint has to show/say tomorrow at 2PM ET during his speach. thats the only official thing from sprint i see though.
Another tid bit that will be nice is Qualcomm's speech just before Sprints....
doubt much from HTC here or much more from sprint since they typically do stuff at CTIA if i recall correctly.
The phone looks awesome and im glad to see sprint pushing out LTE phones. When im at home im on wifi anyway lol. Ive had an eligible upgrade since the iphones 4s and galaxy S2 and both times i just decided they werent good enough to get rid of my evo. Sad thing is my evo 3d is not even rooted lol. Maybe this phone will be the phone that dose it. I love my galaxy 10.1 tab so theres a good chance
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Wish they would get the 32GB version of the Nexus
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Yeah that would have been better.... Verizon has the 32gb version :-(
meh.........
Well during David Owens interview with Engadget just now he kinda made point to say something that was troubling....
During the interview they were discussing LTE and devices and he made point to say "...well we haven't announced LTE pricing yet....." and then later "...LTE pricing TBD..."
So. Dunno if im reading too much into that as I can't see them charging more for LTE device than they did for WiMax devices as that would just be ludicris and you'd see an outrage they are not in the position to deal with. Hoping He was specifically meaning the Hotspot device plans and such like that and NOT phones.
btw hes the VP of Product Development at Sprint
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I'm likely reading too much into what he said and he likely was referring to Hotspot devices as they had just talked about or were about to talk about the new hotspot device I have mentioned in post 1.
Funny thing was during the interview most of the comments on engadgets live twitter chat were all about "ASK him about WINDOWS PHONE!!" lol
I could care less about that lol.
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Well during David Owens interview with Engadget just now he kinda made point to say something that was troubling....
During the interview they were discussing LTE and devices and he made point to say "...well we haven't announced LTE pricing yet....." and then later "...LTE pricing TBD..."
So. Dunno if im reading too much into that as I can't see them charging more for LTE device than they did for WiMax devices as that would just be ludicris and you'd see an outrage they are not in the position to deal with. Hoping He was specifically meaning the Hotspot device plans and such like that and NOT phones.
btw hes the VP of Product Development at Sprint
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I'm likely reading too much into what he said and he likely was referring to Hotspot devices as they had just talked about or were about to talk about the new hotspot device I have mentioned in post 1.
Funny thing was during the interview most of the comments on engadgets live twitter chat were all about "ASK him about WINDOWS PHONE!!" lol
I could care less about that lol.
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He was talking about "game changers" and failed to mention the EVO 4G. What a shame. That's one of the biggest game changers there ever was.
I've fell off following Sprint's LTE dance but I'm assuming the Lightsquared deal is green-lighted, pending official word?
Houston & this CES line-up makes me wonder.
Or will they scratch the 900Mhz 3G plans & use it for their LTE 4G as plan B?
it's really disappointing to me that the whole nexus line is samsung. cheap garbage.
of course, i will suck into techoholism that i have and buy the galaxy nexus to give it a shot. 3rd time's the charm? i hope so.
What a weak showing for Sprint at this show...
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What a weak showing for Sprint at this show...
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Seriously?
When did Sprint ever show their best or anything really wowing at CES?
CTIA is Sprint's target, every year. I wished they'd give CES more "oomph" but it's not shocking.
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What a weak showing for Sprint at this show...
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Same as last year when the moto atrix was announced. CTIA is when we will see the next EVO. Here's hoping its LTE
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Seriously?
When did Sprint ever show their best or anything really wowing at CES?
CTIA is Sprint's target, every year. I wished they'd give CES more "oomph" but it's not shocking.
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Yup. Ppl should be shocked sprint was even there none the less announced devices and showed them off some.
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Seriously?
When did Sprint ever show their best or anything really wowing at CES?
CTIA is Sprint's target, every year. I wished they'd give CES more "oomph" but it's not shocking.
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I am aware of that but sometimes surprising the people with an unexpected announcement is a good thing!
Even announcing the Galaxy Nexus without any targeted release date or internal specs is like a half ass announcement. Are they actually going to wait for for LTE to roll out before they release this phone? At that point the phone will become even more irrelevant then it already is now as I am sure the big hitters will be coming at that time like the next EVO or the SGS3.
When is CTIA anyway?
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I am aware of that but sometimes surprising the people with an unexpected announcement is a good thing!
Even announcing the Galaxy Nexus without any targeted release date or internal specs is like a half ass announcement. Are they actually going to wait for for LTE to roll out before they release this phone? At that point the phone will become even more irrelevant then it already is now as I am sure the big hitters will be coming at that time like the next EVO or the SGS3.
When is CTIA anyway?
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CTIA is May 8-12th im pretty sure.
They said they were releasing these phones all in the first half of '12 if i recall too along with at least 15 total LTE devices for the year which is solid imho. I dont think they are concerned with the "big hitters" coming at that time too b/c the people that want to buy the Nexus will simply buy the Nexus no matter what usually.
Big announcement last night btw b/w Motorola and Intel working together. Finally gets Intel in a big name device manufacturer partnership. Not good for Qualcomm imho, but least this will likely infuse some more competition and make Qualcomm and others step up their game faster.
The intel stuff has me peaking interest right now. the guys are going for 14nm NEXT!!
The first one powered by Intel chips(Atom) will be Lenovo and its the K800. Some solid specs there for a phone.
4.5-inch 720p screen, 6 hours of HD video playback, 45 hours of audio, 8 hours of talk over a 3g network and 14 days on standby, McAfee security, 3D gaming, 1080p video playback, 1080p video capture, *MP camera with 15fps Capability. They showed it taking 10 freaking pics in a single second!!
new video of Sprint's Nexus added to OP.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/11/sprint-samsung-galaxy-nexus-hands-on-video/
I know this might not belong here but with talk of many wanting to switch carriers as a typical topic for those on Sprint and such I figured it couldn't hurt.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/verizon-lets-loose-its-stance-on-locked-bootloaders-in-letter-to/
there you have it folks if it was purely up to VZ all your phones would be locked so tight you couldn't do crap with them....tisk tisk
Wtf?
Apparently, open bootloaders would allow users to make changes to their phones and use software that "could negatively impact how the phone connects with the network" and "the wireless experience for other customers."
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I know this might not belong here but with talk of many wanting to switch carriers as a typical topic for those on Sprint and such I figured it couldn't hurt.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/verizon-lets-loose-its-stance-on-locked-bootloaders-in-letter-to/
there you have it folks if it was purely up to VZ all your phones would be locked so tight you couldn't do crap with them....tisk tisk
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Is it me or does the picture in the article show an Evo 3D?
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Is it me or does the picture in the article show an Evo 3D?
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It's the same picture from when they did the article that announced EVO 3D releasing with a locked bootloader.
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It's the same picture from when they did the article that announced EVO 3D releasing with a locked bootloader.
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and also the one they used for the unlock announcement. lol
This is why you buy a galaxy nexus with vzw. Lol
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So glad T-MO doesn't care about locking down their phones and lets OEMs decide...Rooting my GS2 was too easy, thanks Samsung.
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Jerry from androidcentral puts a little perspective and some good reasoning behind the whole bootloader issue.
I think what HTC did with their phones is a good way to go about doing it.
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Jerry from androidcentral puts a little perspective and some good reasoning behind the whole bootloader issue.
I think what HTC did with their phones is a good way to go about doing it.
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Don't really agree with his point at all to be honest. The number that root are not the majority of users, and even more so the number of ppl that get ppl off Craigslist to do it for them is even more minute and can't be any part of the reason bc they represent such a small %...
Just make it to where in order to provide service u must have stock OS and everything on it. With out that u get no service or have to pay for said service at the least.
Hell they could make money off this crap if u think about it. Push ppl to unlock and try new things and then charge them to get it worked on if they ever bring it in. LOL
Set up an unlocked service fee and be done with it.
I get the argument against it with unlimited internet and ppl using it to tether for free but with tiered plans that doesn't matter really does it?
I'll agree though HTC doesit better than anyone looking at it from a business perspective. I understand samsungs are easier to unlock and such but their partions are completely different from what I understand so it'd take a lot to translate that to another device manufacture...
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So I MAY get the HOX+ when the funds are available. I'm a broke ass college student and I am really interested in getting the phone to help out more around here. However, I'm deciding on what to get. I'm on T-Mobile USA and they are almost done refarming their network in the Chicago market so I can get HSPA+ "4G" on it. T-Mobile should also be rolling out LTE next year as well.
Int'l model - Logically, much more development since it is in multiple countries
AT&T model - Warranty will be easier to do if anything happens and it'll have LTE.
Steer me to the right direction. Please and Thank you.
I don't know how it goes in the US but in Germany LTE is not widely available yet, and also the costs are much higher than with 3G.
I live in the city and would have LTE available here at home and when out and about, but it would be 27€ more per month for 24 month. So, my usage profile would just not make sense. I travel a lot on the high spped train ICE and 98% of the time there is only 2G available anyways, with 3G only in stations along the track when it stops. 3G is more than sufficient when I am out around town.
So, for me LTE is a waste of money (27€ x24month contract=648€ on top of my regular contract)
If the costs are closer to a regular 3G contract in the US I would go with LTE of course, just to have the latest!
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So I MAY get the HOX+ when the funds are available. I'm a broke ass college student and I am really interested in getting the phone to help out more around here. However, I'm deciding on what to get. I'm on T-Mobile USA and they are almost done refarming their network in the Chicago market so I can get HSPA+ "4G" on it. T-Mobile should also be rolling out LTE next year as well.
Int'l model - Logically, much more development since it is in multiple countries
AT&T model - Warranty will be easier to do if anything happens and it'll have LTE.
Steer me to the right direction. Please and Thank you.
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I originally was going to go with the Nexus 4 and just had it delivered but I ended up going with the One X+ (AT&T). I was the first to say LTE wasn't needed, but after a few days with the One X+, I don't know if I could go back. It is just so stupid fast, if it is in your area, I would strongly consider the AT&T version just for that...
Plus if I remember right a few forum members pitched in to get Lloir a AT&T One X+ for deving, so there should be some stuff on the way for it.
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I don't know how it goes in the US but in Germany LTE is not widely available yet, and also the costs are much higher than with 3G.
I live in the city and would have LTE available here at home and when out and about, but it would be 27€ more per month for 24 month. So, my usage profile would just not make sense. I travel a lot on the high spped train ICE and 98% of the time there is only 2G available anyways, with 3G only in stations along the track when it stops. 3G is more than sufficient when I am out around town.
So, for me LTE is a waste of money (27€ x24month contract=648€ on top of my regular contract)
If the costs are closer to a regular 3G contract in the US I would go with LTE of course, just to have the latest!
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Even if I got either HOX+, I will be stuck on 2G until T-Mobile changes part of their network.
LTE isn't out yet for T-Mobile so I can't mention on the price structure for it.
What I am really worrying about it warranty. If it's a manufacturer defect, I can send it to HTC in Texas to get it repaired. I'm pushing towards the AT&T model since it is also a bit cheaper by ~$40
You should get the AT&T one. That would be the best for development in general. Especially for you US boys
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I am getting the AT&T HOX+ over the weekend. The only difference between the two is LTE, but you have TMobile. If warranty is a big deal for you, get the AT&T.
Knuxr said:
I originally was going to go with the Nexus 4 and just had it delivered but I ended up going with the One X+ (AT&T). I was the first to say LTE wasn't needed, but after a few days with the One X+, I don't know if I could go back. It is just so stupid fast, if it is in your area, I would strongly consider the AT&T version just for that...
Plus if I remember right a few forum members pitched in to get Lloir a AT&T One X+ for deving, so there should be some stuff on the way for it.
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I really wanna try LTE. T-Mobile has a great network so I know LTE will be a killer!
I guess I must've missed that lol. Didn't know they were pitching in for the AT&T model.
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You should get the AT&T one. That would be the best for development in general. Especially for you US boys
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Int'l models are usually more popular since it is widely available. That's why I hope the dev would be good.
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I am getting the AT&T HOX+ over the weekend. The only difference between the two is LTE, but you have TMobile. If warranty is a big deal for you, get the AT&T.
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Yeah. I was thinking about it. May just get the AT&T model when prices drop and I get more cash. I'm still far away from my goal in buying it lol
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I originally was going to go with the Nexus 4 and just had it delivered but I ended up going with the One X+ (AT&T). I was the first to say LTE wasn't needed, but after a few days with the One X+, I don't know if I could go back. It is just so stupid fast, if it is in your area, I would strongly consider the AT&T version just for that...
Plus if I remember right a few forum members pitched in to get Lloir a AT&T One X+ for deving, so there should be some stuff on the way for it.
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I got shut out of the N4 on Google's release day. But I had an S3 (sold it) and have LTE in my area so I picked up the One X+.
I am SO glad I did. It is one awesome device. Super fast and smoother than the S3. Better screen, camera, etc.
It made me realize that once you have access to LTE it makes no sense to revert back to hspa+. Take advantage of the technology as we are paying for the monthly service.
If I was not located in a AT&T LTE area, I would still pull the trigger because they are launching new markets like crazy. I have had LTE for months and they never announced it was available. They light up markets for testing sometimes months before they make it official and users.
Hope this helps.
The AT&T version seems to be the best bet! LTE is widespread
Thanks everyone!
Now, the issue is the money.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-xplus-carbon-black.html
Price of phone w/o contract w/ tax included = $603.61 (549.99 * 9.75%)
PayPal balance = $15.88
Amount needed = $587.73
This is going to take some time... lol
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Even if I got either HOX+, I will be stuck on 2G until T-Mobile changes part of their network.
LTE isn't out yet for T-Mobile so I can't mention on the price structure for it.
What I am really worrying about it warranty. If it's a manufacturer defect, I can send it to HTC in Texas to get it repaired. I'm pushing towards the AT&T model since it is also a bit cheaper by ~$40
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I'm considering the same thing too. It looks T-mobile will deploy the LTE on AWS band same as AT&T, so this phone is more "future-proof" than Nexus 4. How do I get it carrier unlocked if i get one from AT&T store though?
Those of us state side need a DEV that has our device. If someone wants to start a "fund raiser" thread to get you an AT&T HOX+ you can count me in for $50.
Edit: I also have a line that is early upgrade eligible so that would be $100 off the device if that helps. If we can get the funds up I have a way I can get this too you Hasoon2000. Just PM me.
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Those of us state side need a DEV that has our device. If someone wants to start a "fund raiser" thread to get you an AT&T HOX+ you can count me in for $50.
Edit: I also have a line that is early upgrade eligible so that would be $100 off the device if that helps. If we can get the funds up I have a way I can get this too you Hasoon2000. Just PM me.
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I'd hate to burst your bubble. I'm not really a ROM dev. I know some basics. If you guys want me to learn and have it as a device to practice on, I wouldn't mind. However, do not expect quick results.
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I'd hate to burst your bubble. I'm not really a ROM dev. I know some basics. If you guys want me to learn and have it as a device to practice on, I wouldn't mind. However, do not expect quick results.
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Last time I checked. XDA didn't give out recognised dev titles to people who only knew the basics I think your being a tad modest lol
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Last time I checked. XDA didn't give out recognised dev titles to people who only knew the basics I think your being a tad modest lol
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Haha. Remember, we all have our own specialties. I'd love to learn and help you guys out. I haven't posted in the Amaze forums for a few days now. I live here instead lol
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Thanks everyone!
Now, the issue is the money.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-xplus-carbon-black.html
Price of phone w/o contract w/ tax included = $603.61 (549.99 * 9.75%)
PayPal balance = $15.88
Amount needed = $587.73
This is going to take some time... lol
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Honestly if you were to start a donate post many would help you get one for your anti brick noob toolkit that has saved many from bricking their devices. You have contributed greatly to the android community and well deserving of the help, I myself even though not a noob have used it in the past for the convenience of it alone.
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Honestly if you were to start a donate post many would help you get one for your anti brick noob toolkit that has saved many from bricking their devices. You have contributed greatly to the android community and well deserving of the help, I myself even though not a noob have used it in the past for the convenience of it alone.
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It would be selfish if I made that type of thread. If you guys believe in it, you guys can do it for me. I'll just wait to save up money or when the price drops.
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It would be selfish if I made that type of thread. If you guys believe in it, you guys can do it for me. I'll just wait to save up money or when the price drops.
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I agree with this. The person looking for the device should NEVER start the asking. Nothing but trouble. Seen it before.
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I agree with this. The person looking for the device should NEVER start the asking. Nothing but trouble. Seen it before.
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I completely agree. That's why I said if people would want to make a thread for me, then I'm fine with it. However, I won't ask people to give me money.