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I've seen on several threads that the behavior of the pressure sensor can indicate lack of water tightness.
While I'm watching the pressure sensure value, I press on the screen and I see the pressure go up. The pressure then slowly goes down to atmospheric pressure.
When I release my finger, the pressure goes down and slowly goes up to atmospheric again.
What this tells me is that the phone is not AIR tight. Air is slowly going into the phone, and the pressure equalizes.
Is this normal for this phone? Should I expect the pressure to be "constant" while I press on the screen?
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I've seen on several threads that the behavior of the pressure sensor can indicate lack of water tightness.
While I'm watching the pressure sensure value, I press on the screen and I see the pressure go up. The pressure then slowly goes down to atmospheric pressure.
When I release my finger, the pressure goes down and slowly goes up to atmospheric again.
What this tells me is that the phone is not AIR tight. Air is slowly going into the phone, and the pressure equalizes.
Is this normal for this phone? Should I expect the pressure to be "constant" while I press on the screen?
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I'm not sure, but the phone should be good. IP, ingress protection, states that water can still enter the phone, but at harmless values that will not affect the functionality of the phone.
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Thanks!
I guess that makes sense. Water tight != Air tight.
This all started because I'm getting so paranoid from reading bad things at XDA. Magnetic port falling, little gap, failing flaps, etc.
I've had it for about a month and haven't had a single problem (14W19). Fingers crossed.
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Thanks!
I guess that makes sense. Water tight != Air tight.
This all started because I'm getting so paranoid from reading bad things at XDA. Magnetic port falling, little gap, failing flaps, etc.
I've had it for about a month and haven't had a single problem (14W19). Fingers crossed.
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Glad I could help!
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jcobreros said:
Thanks!
I guess that makes sense. Water tight != Air tight.
This all started because I'm getting so paranoid from reading bad things at XDA. Magnetic port falling, little gap, failing flaps, etc.
I've had it for about a month and haven't had a single problem (14W19). Fingers crossed.
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No. Water Tight ≠ Air Tight. Ingress Protection is a measurenet of Dust particle and/or Water Ingress. If you squeeze the air out of your phone the place it in water it will attempt to draw in the water or dust through any slight opening .
The phone according to Sony is IP58 (It is also rated as IP55, I don't believe it can have 2 ratings, clearly Sony don't fully comprehend IP ratings either.)
The First digit refers to particle ingress, in the case of the Z2 it's 5 (Ingress of dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter in sufficient quantity to interfere with the satisfactory operation of the equipment; complete protection against contact (dust proof)), this also means it 1,2,3,4 proof too.
The second digit is 8 (The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. Normally, this will mean that the equipment is hermetically sealed. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects.)
I'm still curious, can anyone else check the behaviour of pressure sensor in service menu while pressing on Z2 a little?
Also, there is no such thing like amount of water that's not causing harmful effects on electronics. Waterproof phone must be 100% sealed, no water can enter. Electronics + water = corrosion begins.
From what I tested the phone is quite air tight, from an pressure test when flaps are CLOSED the pressure increases because air has no where to go like squeezing a bottle it gets tighter. But when flaps are OPEN no changes to the pressure because it equalizes immediately like a open bottle air is freely to move and stay 1atm. So if the air pressure stays the same then the phone isn't waterproof.
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Mine equalizes with a short delay...interesting the phone has this kind of sensor..
pressure sensor doesnt react at all
Hello my pressure sensor is showing 982,2 +/-0,1 milibar
when i press on phone with closed or open flaps still the same... does it mean it is absolutely useless and not waterproof phone despite i bought as a waterproof one..and have already replaced second handset because of water damage from water tap...nor saying about diving it into water
bullwar said:
Hello my pressure sensor is showing 982,2 +/-0,1 milibar
when i press on phone with closed or open flaps still the same... does it mean it is absolutely useless and not waterproof phone despite i bought as a waterproof one..and have already replaced second handset because of water damage from water tap...nor saying about diving it into water
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Yes. It is not waterproof. Send it back.
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I've seen on several threads that the behavior of the pressure sensor can indicate lack of water tightness.
While I'm watching the pressure sensure value, I press on the screen and I see the pressure go up. The pressure then slowly goes down to atmospheric pressure.
When I release my finger, the pressure goes down and slowly goes up to atmospheric again.
What this tells me is that the phone is not AIR tight. Air is slowly going into the phone, and the pressure equalizes.
Is this normal for this phone? Should I expect the pressure to be "constant" while I press on the screen?
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1- As said before, the phone is not air tight, just water tight - and also, only to fresh water - Sony specifically states that in the user manual and in the Z2's White Paper (sort of a spreadsheet with some technical details you can find on Sony's mobile developer website).
2- The fact that your barometer (pressure sensor) goes up when you press it and then goes down (and goes the other way around when you stop applying pressure on in) is exactly the way a barometer works - it calculates small momentaneous changes (the pressure you suddenly applied) to the environment pressure around the device and corrects the value. A very, very simple way to see it is that it "understands" that the extra amount of pressure it suddenly read is an incorrect value of ambient pressure and recalculates the actual value of ambient pressure taking into account that extra amount, thus returning to the actual value of the atmospheric pressure).
In other words, the barometer you have on your device (and that is exactly what we have on our phone - a barometer, which is a pressure sensor specifically dedicated to measuring the environment - or atmospheric - pressure) uses some quite specific and technical calculations (which would be too geeky to explain here) to try and come close to the actual atmospheric pressure, correcting any sort of "misbehaviours" on the reading (which is what we do when we press the device and then let it go).
If our device was air tight, when we travel from a place at ocean level, say, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to a city in a higher level, say Lima, Peru, the internal air pressure on the device would probably pop one of the ports open (or both). Hell, they would probably pop open by simply flying on a standard commercial airplane, which has a much lower internal atmospheric pressure when flying at 30000 feet (around 60% of the atmospheric pressure when at sea level).
To sum up, don't worry about the value of the BAROMETER (doesn't hurt to stress that) going up and down, it is exactly the way it is supposed to work. You do need to worry when it doesn't when applying pressure with the ports closed, like the dude above me mentioned - it may be a sign that the device is somehow not water resistant (though I doubt any Sony Service Center will accept that as a reason to replace a device - like I said, the explanation is too technical for most people to even bother to understand).
Hope this helps a bit...
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Hey! Thanks for your reply. I agree with what you said except on one point.
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2- The fact that your barometer (pressure sensor) goes up when you press it and then goes down (and goes the other way around when you stop applying pressure on in) is exactly the way a barometer works - it calculates small momentaneous changes (the pressure you suddenly applied) to the environment pressure around the device and corrects the value. A very, very simple way to see it is that it "understands" that the extra amount of pressure it suddenly read is an incorrect value of ambient pressure and recalculates the actual value of ambient pressure taking into account that extra amount, thus returning to the actual value of the atmospheric pressure).
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The pressure reading going up then down when I press and hold is due to the pressure slowly equalizing between the phone and the atmosphere. As I press on the glass I reduce the volume inside the phone. The pressure goes up. The extra air tends to leak through gaps in the phone, though not instantaneously (because of the resistance that these tiny gaps pose to air flow). This is why we have time to see the pressure go up and then down. If the covers were open (and air was free(er) to move around) then pressing on the screen wouldn't have any effect on the pressure reading.
My point is that the barometer doesn't measure "momentaneous" changes in pressure. There's nothing in the barometer (hardware or software) that tells it "hey, this pressure increase was weird, let's cancel it out". The barometer blindly reports the pressure that it measures (after compensating for things like temperature). If it acted like you say, then real pressure changes (like what you would experience in an elevator in a tall building) would be impossible to diferentiate from "fake" pressure increases caused by pressing on the glass.
I think most of what you said is correct. I just wanted to comment on that one point, but I could be wrong here too!
So I guess there's no such a thing as a completely sealed phone. If this was the case then the phone would explode, implode, or pop the covers upon big pressure changes.
So there is always some gap that lets the air pressure SLOWLY equalize.
And the key here is the word SLOWLY. If we submerge our phone and the gaps are small enough, then water pressure (which increases with depth) would both press the covers and try to get in though any gaps. But due to water surface tension and the positive air pressure inside the phone, water will have a hard time getting in (for the same reason that liquids don't fall out of syringes unless we press on the piston).
If the gaps are so big that it offers no resistance to air flow, then water will have a much easier time getting in, as there is nothing holding it out from the other side of the gap (and we would see bubbles coming out of the phone, as the air is being evacuated by the entering water). Even worse, when you leave the water and the pressure exerted by the column of water stops, the phone body will return to its original volume, sucking in air AND REMAINING WATER inside the phone. This is bad.
So the question is: how small do the gaps have to be? How SLOWLY should the air pressure equalize for it to be considered a good water resistant phone?
Some people say they don't see any increse in pressure at all. I think this is a clear sign of a bad seal. But who has the BEST SEALED Xperia?
We might be able to come up with our own "Standarized test" to check for this and compare water tightness.
If we all use a sensor logging program and press on the screen and record the pressure curve as it goes down, we sould be able to compute a sort of "air resistance coefficient", which even if it doesn't have any useful units, could serve as a comparison tool.
This would also be a pretty easy Android program to make.
Thoughts?
jcobreros said:
So I guess there's no such a thing as a completely sealed phone. If this was the case then the phone would explode, implode, or pop the covers upon big pressure changes.
So there is always some gap that lets the air pressure SLOWLY equalize.
And the key here is the word SLOWLY. If we submerge our phone and the gaps are small enough, then water pressure (which increases with depth) would both press the covers and try to get in though any gaps. But due to water surface tension and the positive air pressure inside the phone, water will have a hard time getting in (for the same reason that liquids don't fall out of syringes unless we press on the piston).
If the gaps are so big that it offers no resistance to air flow, then water will have a much easier time getting in, as there is nothing holding it out from the other side of the gap (and we would see bubbles coming out of the phone, as the air is being evacuated by the entering water). Even worse, when you leave the water and the pressure exerted by the column of water stops, the phone body will return to its original volume, sucking in air AND REMAINING WATER inside the phone. This is bad.
So the question is: how small do the gaps have to be? How SLOWLY should the air pressure equalize for it to be considered a good water resistant phone?
Some people say they don't see any increse in pressure at all. I think this is a clear sign of a bad seal. But who has the BEST SEALED Xperia?
We might be able to come up with our own "Standarized test" to check for this and compare water tightness.
If we all use a sensor logging program and press on the screen and record the pressure curve as it goes down, we sould be able to compute a sort of "air resistance coefficient", which even if it doesn't have any useful units, could serve as a comparison tool.
This would also be a pretty easy Android program to make.
Thoughts?
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The assumptions you've made are correct up to a certain point. And it all comes to the degree of water resistance.
Basically, our phone has an Ingress Protection (IP) level of 55/58. The second digit (5 and 8) is related to the water ingress protection. It basically says that the device can endure water submersion and low pressure water flow for a certain amount of time on a certain amount of depth, which has to be specified by the manufacturer. That is why, on every single marketing scheme, Sony HAS to specifically state the amount of time (UP TO 30 minutes) and the maximum depth (UP TO 1,5 m) on FRESH water. Sony is pratically obliged to stress such values due to IP Standards and liability (if it neglected to state those values, it would be subject to pretty much EVERY form of lawsuit from water damaged phones and would probably lose the IP rating even before the phone itself had hit the stores).
Now it all comes to the situation in which the phone is water resistant. Anything outside those parameters (depth, time submerged, anything other than fresh water) and that is it, no more IP rating, no more water resistance, and you, the one who submitted the phone to those unspecified parameters, are the sole responsible for the outcome.
Under no circunstance has Sony or anyone else ever even suggested the Z2 (or any other water resistance Xperia, for that matter) to be airsealed, which would be a lot harder to do on a industrial scale flagship smartphone, and would certainly not be achieved with a simple rubber seal on the ports, a specially built headphone jack, a handfull of sealed microphone, speakers and buttons and some glue on both the front and back panels. Hell, those possible ingress points (rubber sealed ports, headphone jack, microphones, speakers, buttons, glued panels) include a nearly impratical amount of variables to be researched and certainly would not be commercially viable (again, just to have an air tight phone).
When push comes to shove, it is all about the situation that it is specified to be protected - which is true for every IP-rated equipment, including industrial equipment, such as pumps, compressors, turbines, electric motors and so on.
And about the frame bending to water pressure, aluminum is very resistant. It would need a much higher depth to even begin to stress it - certainly a lot more than the plastic ports, mictophone and speaker seals, button seals and even the front and back panels can handle. They would be long gone before the aluminum frame would feel anything.
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Basically, our phone has an Ingress Protection (IP) level of 55/58. The first digit (5 on both cases) is related to the water ingress protection. It basically says that the device can endure water submersion and low pressure water flow for a certain amount of time on a certain amount of depth, which has to be specified by the manufacturer. That is why, on every single marketing scheme, Sony HAS to specifically state the amount of time (UP TO 30 minutes) and the maximum depth (UP TO 1,5 m) on FRESH water. Sony is pratically obliged to stress such values due to IP Standards and liability (if it neglected to state those values, it would be subject to pretty much EVERY form of lawsuit from water damaged phones and would probably lose the IP rating even before the phone itself had hit the stores).
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You state that the Z2 has an ip rating of Ip55/58. I thought the second number relates to water not the first. The 5 being for water jets and the 8 for water immersion.
Tiu Fiu, according to wikipedia, the first number relates to solid particle protection. The second number relates to water protection as pictured below.
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The 5 from ip55 relating to water jets with the 8 from ip58 relating to water immersion.
Link to info
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
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You state that the Z2 has an ip rating of Ip55/58. I thought the second number relates to water not the first. The 5 being for water jets and the 8 for water immersion.
Tiu Fiu, according to wikipedia, the first number relates to solid particle protection. The second number relates to water protection as pictured below.
The 5 from ip55 relating to water jets with the 8 from ip58 relating to water immersion.
Link to info
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
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Oops, my bad... That's what happens when you try to overthink things in a bar while trying to perform the very attention consuming task of getting drunk on a Monday... Thanks for the correction... [emoji106]
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My z3 shows without pressure: 1009 millibar. and with pressure 1010 millibar.
I held it under the tap for 5 seconds, and guess what, water damage. So I had to return it to sony.
But which values show that the z2 or z3 is waterproof??
guys, I got a question. I did some underwater shooting today. All ports were closed properly and before that I had already tested the waterproof feature of the phone (I washed it). But today, after the shooting there was some moisture under the camera lens and I couldn't see the pressure sensor test in service tests. Is my phone dead in terms of waterproofness or what?
With these YouTube videos floating about saying the X is maybe at your own risk waterproof. Kudos to the editor of the YouTube video....very brave!.... I thought I'd test it myself Well it's mostly waterproof. I went in the pool here in Spain, took some great photos. Phone was submerged in my pocket for about 10 minutes. 50cm below water. When I got back to my sun lounger I noticed the rear camera cover had steamed up. The rest of the phone was fine.
Into the tub of rice the phone went for 2 days......no change.
I had to heat the phone on lowest heat setting 5cm away with a hair dryer for about 5 mins, i could then press in the outer black rim with my finger nail, i saw some movement, so I continued to blow dry the same area whilst pressing the same spot. Within 30 seconds the steamed up area was gone. Phone is now back to normal and taking great pics.
So save yourself some hassle and don't treat this phone like the previous generation z series!
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No one said it was
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So secretly the Xperia X is kinda waterproof ^^
I'd say that it is splash proof but not waterproof, i can see the back of the screen through the tiny gap around the power button so i wouldn't want to risk submerging it in water.
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I'd say that it is splash proof but not waterproof, i can see the back of the screen through the tiny gap around the power button so i wouldn't want to risk submerging it in water.
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I took it to the pool several times and recorded underwater,the phone its fine and no signs of damage or water. so.....
If you are going to take it to the pool, AT LEAST make sure the pressure test passes
I just got the watch a couple of weeks ago and it was working fine till today. I just fully recharged it and turned it on. The display was partially dimmed it flickered and there were thin white lines on the screen.
I later restarted the watch but now it will just display a dark screen with thin white lines.
Tried resetting the watch again and now it wont even turn on.
The watch is waterproof so wearing it while swimming wasn't the issue?
What can i do?
Also sorry if this is the wrong section to post this, i tried the xiaomi forums but i god no help there.
Watch is water resistant, not waterproof. So swimming should be an issue.
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Watch is water resistant, not waterproof. So swimming should be an issue.
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"The tracker can withstand a maximum of 1 meter of water for up to 30 minutes. Please note, submerging your tracker beyond the maximum depth or beyond the maximum time frame could potentially harm the device and cause hardware issues."
It was a short swim on the surface of the water so i see no problem here. Also how come the watch can withstand a 30 minute water touch and can't withstand more?
the watch is NOT waterproof, and its strongly advised not to swim with it. unfortunately, your unit is KIA.
I've seen already few users that had the same experience after swimming, they had to replace the unit, and its not covered under warranty as well.
sorry :\
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"The tracker can withstand a maximum of 1 meter of water for up to 30 minutes. Please note, submerging your tracker beyond the maximum depth or beyond the maximum time frame could potentially harm the device and cause hardware issues."
It was a short swim on the surface of the water so i see no problem here. Also how come the watch can withstand a 30 minute water touch and can't withstand more?
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That's the official description of a IP67 rating and how the exact tests are done. There is the time and the water pressure that the watch must withstand (1m water pressure).
However, even just swimming, which moves the arms and add water pressure by the movement of the watch can exceed the water pressure of 1 meter easily. Also sometime, washing the watch under running water can exceed the water pressure of 1m.
And yes to @1immortal, this rating is not waterproof, it is indeed called water resistant only.
Sorry for your watch.
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That's the official description of a IP67 rating and how the exact tests are done. There is the time and the water pressure that the watch must withstand (1m water pressure).
However, even just swimming, which moves the arms and add water pressure by the movement of the watch can exceed the water pressure of 1 meter easily. Also sometime, washing the watch under running water can exceed the water pressure of 1m.
And yes to @1immortal, this rating is not waterproof, it is indeed called water resistant only.
Sorry for your watch.
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Thank you all for helping, i did though the problem was somewhere else and yes i missread the watch description in which it says it is water resistant which kinda mislead me thinking i can use it in water ( English is not my native language )
Crap. I washed my watch using the faucet. I hope no water got in.
My amazfit watch was working fine but once I switched it off its not turning on? What could be the issue.. there is a think white line appearing and its only one month
the official ads says IP68. when users face waterproof issues, suddenly everyone said it's only IP67. How come?
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the official ads says IP68. when users face waterproof issues, suddenly everyone said it's only IP67. How come?
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Where is that stated?
https://us.amazfit.com/shop/pace?variant=25112 there it states IP67
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Where is that stated?
https://us.amazfit.com/shop/pace?variant=25112 there it states IP67
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I'm not trying to be rude, but
http://amazfitcentral.com/amazfit-bip-specifications/ = IP68
https://www.gearbest.com/smart-watches/pp_962565.html = IP68
https://xiaomi-mi.com/mitu-watches/amazfit-bip-smartwatch-youth-edition-gray/ = IP68
http://www.smartwatchspecifications...it-smartwatch-youth-edition-bip-lite-version/ = IP68
and more.
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I'm not trying to be rude, but
http://amazfitcentral.com/amazfit-bip-specifications/ = IP68
https://www.gearbest.com/smart-watches/pp_962565.html = IP68
https://xiaomi-mi.com/mitu-watches/amazfit-bip-smartwatch-youth-edition-gray/ = IP68
http://www.smartwatchspecifications...it-smartwatch-youth-edition-bip-lite-version/ = IP68
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You are pointing to the Amazfit BIP, not to the Amazfit Pace.
Two completely different devices
fzelle said:
You are pointing to the Amazfit BIP, not to the Amazfit Pace.
Two completely different devices
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well OP doesn't state which Amazfit was it. So I just assumed. And there's a lot of people complaining their BIP is getting water inside the screen. This leave me wondering on the legibility of the ads.
Amazfit bip
vulturext said:
well OP doesn't state which Amazfit was it. So I just assumed. And there's a lot of people complaining their BIP is getting water inside the screen. This leave me wondering on the legibility of the ads.
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Hi all,
My amazbit bip got water inside, and I bought that as the website standed it was IP68, so don't buy that piece of liar crap.
Regards
I've worn my bip whilst washing dishes, had it 2 weeks and the brightness & back light no longer work I can only point to this as otherwise it's had a pretty easy life till now
Got exactly the same problem. The BIP watch doesn't seems to be as resistant as specification says
I got the same problem my display gets blurry 1st then it keeps getting disappear until its fully off then later i plug my watchg to charger and it comes back
i dunno whats the issue it mostly happens when i am riding my bike and the watch is exposed in the winter air
but it happens much often when the watch is expose to weather but it turns on too lol
does anyone have a fix is it software or hardware
thanks
rezakhan70 said:
I got the same problem my display gets blurry 1st then it keeps getting disappear until its fully off then later i plug my watchg to charger and it comes back
i dunno whats the issue it mostly happens when i am riding my bike and the watch is exposed in the winter air
but it happens much often when the watch is expose to weather but it turns on too lol
does anyone have a fix is it software or hardware
thanks
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On my side the watch display is now dead. 2 White Spots, the light on but no display... the watch died...
I solved the problem after swimming by extensive charging. I left the watch charging for over month (forgotten because I thougth it is death). But when I switched it on it was perfectly working. I think the heat helped it. Now I have the same problem and it was just raining a little bit
Amazfit Stratos screen crash
Sorry to necro this thread...
Not sure which model OP is talking about but...
I have an Amazfit Stratos that I bought 14 months ago - July 2019 (wow, just out of warranty ). Has been working fine until I had a shower while wearing it today. Suddenly the screen went berserk (sorry for my technical jargon there) but it still buzzes for notifications. To be clear, I have been wearing it while swimming and showering and washing for the whole time I have owned it because that is what the advertising indicates it can do. In fact it brags about having a swimming tracking functions and being water resistant to 50m in pool and ocean.
So now it is sitting in a bag of rice on a radiator hoping it will dry out and work again until I buy a suitable replacement.
Just a message to Xiaomi Huami if you're paying attention and care about return business: I never buy another product from a company if something I bought dies just out of warranty. It's a really bad sign, and I know I'm not alone. It's a really bad long term business strategy unless your product is so cheap to buy that customers consider it disposable. #poop
Phone worked good in water. Had to hit the volume button to take the picture.
After take your Spen out for a little while. Ha ha I took my Spen out a couple of minutes ago and it water in it.
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After take your Spen out for a little while. Ha ha I took my Spen out a couple of minutes ago and it water in it.
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Have you had other Samsung Phones that were waterproof? Wondering how well the oleo phobic coating holds up after being submerged in that type of water. I was tempted to take it into the water last weekend...but I had no reason to so I didn't, hahaha.
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Have you had other Samsung Phones that were waterproof? Wondering how well the oleo phobic coating holds up after being submerged in that type of water. I was tempted to take it into the water last weekend...but I had no reason to so I didn't, hahaha.
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It still feels fine. Just like it did before I took it in the water. Now I did not keep it in the water all day. Just for a couple of minutes.
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SiNJiN76 said:
Have you had other Samsung Phones that were waterproof? Wondering how well the oleo phobic coating holds up after being submerged in that type of water. I was tempted to take it into the water last weekend...but I had no reason to so I didn't, hahaha.
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I've taken my S7 Edge and S8 swimming before and noticed no changes in the screen coating whatsoever.
I haven't taken my N8 swimming yet.
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Don't forget to read the Samsung user guide before you take your Note 8 swimming. Just a heads up.
Ryland
jason504 said:
Phone worked good in water. Had to hit the volume button to take the picture.
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What is the water resistance on your beautiful Rolex Oyster?
Ryland. :good:
Ryland Johnson said:
What is the water resistance on your beautiful Rolex Oyster?
Ryland. :good:
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12,800 ft
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Ryland Johnson said:
What is the water resistance on your beautiful Rolex Oyster?
Ryland. :good:
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Or 3900 m
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Or 3900 m
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"DEEPSEA TEST TANK
Extreme depths
To guarantee the water resistance of the Rolex Deepsea divers' watch to the extreme depth of 3,900 metres (12,800 feet), Rolex tests every single one made in a specially designed high-performance tank. This stainless steel hyperbaric tank is cast in a single piece and weighs 1.3 tonnes. It simulates the pressure at 4,875 metres (16,000 feet) below sea level, some 25 percent greater than the depth indicated on the dial. At this depth, the force exerted upon the watch is equivalent to a weight of 4.5 tonnes. This test could be destructive, meaning that the slightest weakness in a watch would cause it to implode. Obviously, all Rolex Deepsea watches offered for sale have survived it."
This is one of a handful of watches that are so tested in official labs with highly qualified engineers.
I will now show the official watch industry water resistance table:
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"Water resistance classification
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, and fishing. Not suitable for diving and snorkeling.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out."
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As you can read "Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m. Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving." Rating 30M yet its only splash proof!
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"Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m. Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving." Rating 200M yet in reality only fir for water sports and skin diving!
From this one can clearly see how the actual rating on the rear of ones watch is a complete joke.
A handful are exceptions like yours that is why I asked you about it. I come from a family of horologists and though watches are another one of my vices I am not a horologist myself. I have been saying for decades how the watch industry screws the consumer with these highly misleading water resistance ratings etched onto the rear of the case.
Same principle applies to our mobiles. The ratings are very VERY misleading. Add to that sea water or swimming pool water and the chemicals or salt will, over time, ruin the water resistant membranes of the mobile.
I will not start to write about the physics of static water pressure at small depths V water pressure at immersion levels when force of movement is added such as a swimmers arm. Swimming with a mobile places immense pressure on the device even at 1" depth. This is due to water pressure through movement not static depth. Enough already.
The best respectful advice I would give any mobile owner is to treat the 'water resistance' as merely splash or wet hand proof. Nothing more. Its a complex situation. Original Sony Z owners know all about it lol. Sony lost a massive client base over that fiasco and Sony themselves considered closing their mobile division.
Ryland
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"DEEPSEA TEST TANK
Extreme depths
To guarantee the water resistance of the Rolex Deepsea divers' watch to the extreme depth of 3,900 metres (12,800 feet), Rolex tests every single one made in a specially designed high-performance tank. This stainless steel hyperbaric tank is cast in a single piece and weighs 1.3 tonnes. It simulates the pressure at 4,875 metres (16,000 feet) below sea level, some 25 percent greater than the depth indicated on the dial. At this depth, the force exerted upon the watch is equivalent to a weight of 4.5 tonnes. This test could be destructive, meaning that the slightest weakness in a watch would cause it to implode. Obviously, all Rolex Deepsea watches offered for sale have survived it."
This is one of a handful of watches that are so tested in official labs with highly qualified engineers.
I will now show the official watch industry water resistance table:
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"Water resistance classification
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, and fishing. Not suitable for diving and snorkeling.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out."
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As you can read "Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m. Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work, fishing, and diving." Rating 30M yet its only splash proof!
and.....
"Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m. Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving." Rating 200M yet in reality only fir for water sports and skin diving!
From this one can clearly see how the actual rating on the rear of ones watch is a complete joke.
A handful are exceptions like yours that is why I asked you about it. I come from a family of horologists and though watches are another one of my vices I am not a horologist myself. I have been saying for decades how the watch industry screws the consumer with these highly misleading water resistance ratings etched onto the rear of the case.
Same principle applies to our mobiles. The ratings are very VERY misleading. Add to that sea water or swimming pool water and the chemicals or salt will, over time, ruin the water resistant membranes of the mobile.
I will not start to write about the physics of static water pressure at small depths V water pressure at immersion levels when force of movement is added such as a swimmers arm. Swimming with a mobile places immense pressure on the device even at 1" depth. This is due to water pressure through movement not static depth. Enough already.
The best respectful advice I would give any mobile owner is to treat the 'water resistance' as merely splash or wet hand proof. Nothing more. Its a complex situation. Original Sony Z owners know all about it lol. Sony lost a massive client base over that fiasco and Sony themselves considered closing their mobile division.
Ryland
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Trust me I don't dive. Only swim and I don't make it a habit to bring any of my watches in the water. This was the first and probably the last time I will put this phone in the water. Just wanted to test it out. The pictures were for my Facebook DSSD community. Phones and watches are my thing too.
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Trust me I don't dive. Only swim and I don't make it a habit to bring any of my watches in the water. This was the first and probably the last time I will put this phone in the water. Just wanted to test it out. The pictures were for my Facebook DSSD community. Phones and watches are my thing too.
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I understand completely. :good:
I don't take any of my watch collection near water. I don't even take them off in the bathroom and leave them there due to the steam! We are fortunate to own a tiny micro % of watches that can actually outperform the rating on the rear of the watch case! 99.9% of watches cannot, in reality, reach the depth rated on the back as shown in the table. Its rather a scandal yet the watch industry has NO OFFICIAL monitoring body for water resistance.
Oh, when I do go swimming I use a G-shock Gulfmaster. Very tough electronic time piece. Nice to debate with you.
BTW do you also collect pens? I can add that to my list of vices. Crap, forgot to add HiFi systems though over the past decade I have lapsed on that front! Thank heavens!
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
I understand completely. :good:
I don't take any of my watch collection near water. I don't even take them off in the bathroom and leave them there due to the steam! We are fortunate to own a tiny micro % of watches that can actually outperform the rating on the rear of the watch case! 99.9% of watches cannot, in reality, reach the depth rated on the back as shown in the table. Its rather a scandal yet the watch industry has NO OFFICIAL monitoring body for water resistance.
Oh, when I do go swimming I use a G-shock Gulfmaster. Very tough electronic time piece. Nice to debate with you.
BTW do you also collect pens? I can add that to my list of vices. Crap, forgot to add HiFi systems though over the past decade I have lapsed on that front! Thank heavens!
Ryland
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No I don't do pens. But I do see some very nice ones. Yeah I take very good care of my watches. I have the Rolex DSSD a Omega planet ocean 45.5mm 8500. A Omega Speedmaster 9300 and a Panerai Pam 000 G series. I just sold my Rolex Datejust 2 and my Breitling superocean 44.
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jason504 said:
No I don't do pens. But I do see some very nice ones. Yeah I take very good care of my watches. I have the Rolex DSSD a Omega planet ocean 45.5mm 8500. A Omega Speedmaster 9300 and a Panerai Pam 000 G series. I just sold my Rolex Datejust 2 and my Breitling superocean 44.
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Omega are a superb value watch. Not a fan of the Panerai design.
As well as the high end watches I own, such as the Patek Philippe, one of my favourite's is the Lange & Sohne, I enjoy very much Oris and Tissot! I tend to use them as my daily drivers. I nearly purchased a Breguet type XXI 3880 last month but need to sell an Audermars Piguet RO first or my wife will kill me! Again! Insurance is now silly money too.
You need to start a pen collection. :highfive:
Wow are we off topic. Sorry about that.
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
Omega are a superb value watch. Not a fan of the Panerai design.
As well as the high end watches I own, such as the Patek Philippe, one of my favourite's is the Lange & Sohne, I enjoy very much Oris and Tissot! I tend to use them as my daily drivers. I nearly purchased a Breguet type XXI 3880 last month but need to sell an Audermars Piguet RO first or my wife will kill me! Again! Insurance is now silly money too.
You need to start a pen collection. :highfive:
Wow are we off topic. Sorry about that.
Ryland
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My first started collecting watches my first automatic was a Tissot PRS 516 I still have it. I will never sell it. It's quality is that of a 2,000 dollar watch for sure. Today I think Tissot has gone a little cheap but they are still good watches. I came close to getting a Breguet type XXI a couple of months ago but it did not happen. I will get a AP Royal Oak one day. I can talk watches all day like phones. I might check some pens out and see. Thanks
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My first started collecting watches my first automatic was a Tissot PRS 516 I still have it. I will never sell it. It's quality is that of a 2,000 dollar watch for sure. Today I think Tissot has gone a little cheap but they are still good watches. I came close to getting a Breguet type XXI a couple of months ago but it did not happen. I will get a AP Royal Oak one day. I can talk watches all day like phones. I might check some pens out and see. Thanks
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The recession off 2008-present has had an awful effect on the watch trade in Europe. Even among the big three conglomerates they have had to fight an ever losing battle against digital imports now smart watches have dealt a further blow. Seiko et al started the traditional watch collapse in the late 60's early 70's with cheap digital but highly accurate watches. Took the watch industry years to recover even 20% of what it had been. Not doing so good again for some again now. Rolex isn't doing badly though but many have again gone to the wall or the 'name' been purchased by the Chinese machine. Mont Blanc have either changed hands or gone also Maurice Lacroix to name but two.
I was 11 when my mother bought me my first manual, it was a black dialled Oris. I just wanted a watch with a black dial! Smashed it to pieces in the school gym same year!
My mother ran a watch parts company that held nearly 200.000 watch pieces. One night the shop was broken into and thousands of small boxes containing tiny part where all emptied onto the floor 200,000 pieces mixed together. When they where collected they didn't fill a small bin! They never sorted them all out again, only a small %. Silly thing was they NEVER closed the till and left a small amount of cash to try and avoid such an incident. They trashed the place out of pure spit? Caused havoc in the local watch trade for over a year. People eh.
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
The recession off 2008-present has had an awful effect on the watch trade in Europe. Even among the big three conglomerates they have had to fight an ever losing battle against digital imports now smart watches have dealt a further blow. Seiko et al started the traditional watch collapse in the late 60's early 70's with cheap digital but highly accurate watches. Took the watch industry years to recover even 20% of what it had been. Not doing so good again for some again now. Rolex isn't doing badly though but many have again gone to the wall or the 'name' been purchased by the Chinese machine. Mont Blanc have either changed hands or gone also Maurice Lacroix to name but two.
I was 11 when my mother bought me my first manual, it was a black dialled Oris. I just wanted a watch with a black dial! Smashed it to pieces in the school gym same year!
My mother ran a watch parts company that held nearly 200.000 watch pieces. One night the shop was broken into and thousands of small boxes containing tiny part where all emptied onto the floor 200,000 pieces mixed together. When they where collected they didn't fill a small bin! They never sorted them all out again, only a small %. Silly thing was they NEVER closed the till and left a small amount of cash to try and avoid such an incident. They trashed the place out of pure spit? Caused havoc in the local watch trade for over a year. People eh.
Ryland
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That must have been cool growing up in that type of business. Yeah that sucks some people's kids. I only have mechanical watches. No quartz watches for me. The only one I would have is maybe a Spring Drive. But I am not paying what they want for them. I do think Sekio really came up with something cool with that movement. I have always been fascinated by manual watches. The movement all the parts all the craftsmanship that goes into those movements its amazing.
Ryland Johnson said:
The recession off 2008-present has had an awful effect on the watch trade in Europe. Even among the big three conglomerates they have had to fight an ever losing battle against digital imports now smart watches have dealt a further blow. Seiko et al started the traditional watch collapse in the late 60's early 70's with cheap digital but highly accurate watches. Took the watch industry years to recover even 20% of what it had been. Not doing so good again for some again now. Rolex isn't doing badly though but many have again gone to the wall or the 'name' been purchased by the Chinese machine. Mont Blanc have either changed hands or gone also Maurice Lacroix to name but two.
I was 11 when my mother bought me my first manual, it was a black dialled Oris. I just wanted a watch with a black dial! Smashed it to pieces in the school gym same year!
My mother ran a watch parts company that held nearly 200.000 watch pieces. One night the shop was broken into and thousands of small boxes containing tiny part where all emptied onto the floor 200,000 pieces mixed together. When they where collected they didn't fill a small bin! They never sorted them all out again, only a small %. Silly thing was they NEVER closed the till and left a small amount of cash to try and avoid such an incident. They trashed the place out of pure spit? Caused havoc in the local watch trade for over a year. People eh.
Ryland
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That must have been cool growing up in that type of business. Yeah that sucks some people's kids. I only have mechanical watches. No quartz watches for me. The only one I would have is maybe a Spring Drive. But I am not paying what they want for them. I do think Sekio really came up with something cool with that movement. I have always been fascinated by manual watches. The movement all the parts all the craftsmanship that goes into those movements its amazing.
jason504 said:
That must have been cool growing up in that type of business. Yeah that sucks some people's kids. I only have mechanical watches. No quartz watches for me. The only one I would have is maybe a Spring Drive. But I am not paying what they want for them. I do think Sekio really came up with something cool with that movement. I have always been fascinated by manual watches. The movement all the parts all the craftsmanship that goes into those movements its amazing.
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I have spent hours and hours sitting looking at watch movements and pondering how the heck they made it. One reason I truly like the Lange is the way they finish off the movement. Typically Germanic as opposed to the Breguet that shows its French heritage.
Great to debate with you.
Ryland
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I have spent hours and hours sitting looking at watch movements and pondering how the heck they made it. One reason I truly like the Lange is the way they finish off the movement. Typically Germanic as opposed to the Breguet that shows its French heritage.
Great to debate with you.
Ryland
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Yes they do make some beautiful watches and movements.
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Hi, I know that the smart watch is Ip67 protected. Up to 30 minutes maximum depth of one meter. Is it possible to swim with him in the pool without diving to depth at all and a maximum of 20-25 minutes? (swimming during breaks).
Also, which app has the swimming area that works with this watch?
Thanks.
I would say no, watches for swimming are usually rated at least 5 ATM, this is 50 meters. The problem with these ratings is that they rate pressure, and the pressure is measured when the object is motionless. When you start moving the object, the pressure increases. This is what you feel when swimming.
Check here for the classifications. Note that a 5 ATM watch doesn't even pass for snorkeling.
Personally, I wouldn't risk it.
It can withstand hand wash, rain etc.
I don't go with it into the shower
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You can swim with it - no problem. I use my for swimming from the start - actually I only take it off when charging.
1 year already -> no problem.
p.s. Do not try in see - due to the salt it could be damaged somehow. I would not try. But pools - no problem at all.
Then you are lucky, because IP67 is called water resistance, not waterproof.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/what-is-ip68-ip-ratings-explained-2947135
The second you move the watch under water, the pressure will exceed the 1.5 meter mark and the risk of a breach is quite high.
We have a lot of people here that had that happen.
Mine , after 5 months of no problem shower with it , now has less than half a day duration after swimming in a pool.
Swam with them in the pool for the test, I got them for free. As a result, they did not survive. Then I decided for myself to look for a watch that I can not take off my hands and they will not be afraid of moisture and damage.
I found this option here Casio Pro Trek PRW2500T. They passed my rigorous tests and falls and long voyages, except boiling Everything is fine with them, so they have some confidence, but I only use them for 3 months, so time will tell.