I'm on the latest ics, is it possible for me to erase webtop 3.0 and put Ubuntu on it?
anyone know?
You don't need to erase webtop 3.0 because is not on webtop partition anylonger. Webtop partition is empty now. Full ubuntu will be possible when kholk release Kexec for ICS, then we will be able to run custom kernel on RAZR
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This isn't bypassing the bootloader, thus I didn't want to step on the toes of the Devs on the other thread...but I came across this article!
Yes, I know the performance will never be as good as directly accessing the hardware, but the NT is a lot beefier than the NC, so it might not be as bad. It wouldn't be easy build the image, either, but if it's possible, what's learned doing this might be useful for the day, hopefully, that the boot loader is unlocked/bypassed.
I'm also thinking that it would be easier to port a modified android ROM vs another operating system like Ubuntu or Debian. Thoughts?
Nevermind.
I got a chroot of gentoo running just fine. I'm sure ubuntu or debian or whatever would be just as easy.
That's great that Linux is working...I was thinking more about running a CM7 or CM9 alpha modified iso inside of stock using chroot!
The thought being that CM7 (or similar Nook Roms) should be easier to setup than Ubuntu or Fedora, and that we wouldn't need to worry about the boot loader. Again, it's not as ideal as bypassing the boot loader, but it would be nice to have CM7 or CM9 while that's being worked on.
Hello,
I have had a problem with stock webtop, the AWN launcher is missing.
I used the webtop2sd to make a copy of the stock webtop and everything worked well, after I installed gnome environment the webtop2sd went down, after that I made another copy from stock webtop but the AWN was already missing in both webtops.
Is it possible to run AWN from android terminal? or do I need to modify any file?
Is it possible just reinstalled stock webtop?
Thanks!
I formatted webtop partition (moto-fastboot erase webtop) and reintalled webtop (moto-fastboot flash webtop webtop.img).
But the AWN is still missing.
What I can do?
Thanks for your help
So, I actually own an Atrix 2, but I figured I'd post this here as webtop/linux development is much more active. I've gotten my device set up with a custom linux installation, but it seems the OS could run much faster were it not hampered by the phone running its own OS at the same time. Would it be possible to, say, modify the android boot scripts to launch webtop instead if it detects a dock? Just have the phone with a blank screen fully powering the /osh environment on the lapdock. Once undocked, you'd have to manually reboot so the system could actually boot up android again.
It seems like there's no reason why this shouldn't be possible. Just a simple boot script that uses the phone's ability to detect whether or not it is docked; if it is, boot into webtop, if not, run android. Once, my phone had a forced reboot while I was in webtop mode. However, instead of webtop going down with the phone, I opened the mobile view and actually watched the phone's boot animation and boot process, with webtop still running. Maybe there could be a script that runs android until webtop is fully "hooked", then shuts down android and continues running webtop?
Secondary question, is it possible to upgrade the linux install itself with the sudo dist-upgrade command?
I think it is actually quite possible to do this. The reason I say that is because I have seen the Android component of the phone reboot whilst being docked into the Lapdock. The whole Android environment is then reloaded once again meaning that Ubuntu is running as the host OS.
The challenge is if you can get it to boot directly into the Ubuntu shell primarily as opposed to going directly into Dalvik.
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I think it is actually quite possible to do this. The reason I say that is because I have seen the Android component of the phone reboot whilst being docked into the Lapdock. The whole Android environment is then reloaded once again meaning that Ubuntu is running as the host OS.
The challenge is if you can get it to boot directly into the Ubuntu shell primarily as opposed to going directly into Dalvik.
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That's exactly what happened to me! Te webtop environment stayed booted, but just ran the boot script again. All you'd have to do would be to edit the android boot script to check if RM_IS_DOCKED, right? Or does the webtop rely on certain android components to run?
Secondary question, if I were to go the route of letting it load android, then webtop, then unload android, how would I send a command to android to shut down without *actually* shutting down?
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I dont know enough about the technical details of the boot scripts to do this. But just as a observation, it does look plausible from the Dalvik rebooting separate to the Jaunty instance I have running.
I would like to know how to do this as well
Sorry guys, this is technically not possible.
At boot, the Linux kernel starts first. It is a custom kernel with Android patches - that implies, as far as I know, some extra security (only users with uid of 3000something have IP access) and something that breaks udev. The latter thing messing up init scripts of most modern Linux distros.
Then the Dalvik VM is started - which is the one that sucks the RAM.
Then the mountosh command is started, which takes care of mounting the webtop partition.
Then ubuntu.sh is started, which takes care of initializing the webtop environment.
The "docked" event launches a script in /etc/init.d (don't remember the name, probably stg like StartWebtop.sh) which starts the Moto's customized Xorg and some other software for the trackpad.
I think that what you have seen rebooting is probably the Dalvik VM - not sure why, I've seen it too at times.
IMHO webtop is slow because the Linux apps in Ubuntu are memory-hungry and not optimized for ARM.
I think Moto was hoping that HTML5 apps would take off sooner - so to make webtop useful just with the bundled firefox - but that never happened.
In the meanwhile, android tablet apps are getting more and more mature, and they are optimized for lower memory and less CPU than Ubuntu apps (eg Quickoffice vs Libreoffice, maildroid vs thunderbird). Hence Moto killing the webtop the way we know it and replacing it with TabletUI ICS.
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Interesting thread. I have always been amazed by the Atrix with webtop (only had it for a few days, until I hard bricked it ).
Actually, from what I was able to see, it was not Android as host OS, then running Ubuntu. It was 1 kernel (the Linux kernel for Android, as we always have on an Android phone), and on top of that kernel, two different OSes: "Android" and "Webtop (ubuntu based)". It was especially visible when running ps from one or the other, you could see there was actually no distinction, no isolation between both. From Android you could see all the webtop processes, and from webtop the android processes as well. It was amazing!
(confirmed in https://books.google.nl/books?id=E9...btop a second OS on same linux kernel&f=false, Figure 6.8)
Technically it 's the once and only time I have seen this happen actually. Never before, and never since.
So, yes, it was very possible to "soft reboot" any of the two OSes and keep the other one running, as long as the kernel was kept running (not rebooting the phone). That would mean restarting the Android zigote or Ubuntu/Webtop init (or whatever was doing that function).
Are there any webtop developers for cynogen?
Just asking if i will be able to get webtop on non blured roms.
My guess is - probably not.
No.
The webtop is reliant on various Motorola and Blur specific, proprietary services and code. Short of a complete rewrite there will never be a webtop on a de-blurred ROM. You'd be better off hoping for a switch to tablet mode when docked.
wait a minute, it's just Ubuntu on other partition, it could be done, but it's a little bit complicated. We can manage Webtop2SD for run Webtop on non-blur roms. But like I said, it's a little bit hard to do. On the other side, there is Linux On Android but this is not the same
download nebtop, i used it while i had CM7 to be able to use the webtop feature
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wait a minute, it's just Ubuntu on other partition, it could be done, but it's a little bit complicated. We can manage Webtop2SD for run Webtop on non-blur roms. But like I said, it's a little bit hard to do. On the other side, there is Linux On Android but this is not the same
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download nebtop, i used it while i had CM7 to be able to use the webtop feature
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thx for the reply guys
I want to have one command starting automatically every time i start ubuntop.
it is "sudo setxkbmap hu" How can I do that? Where should I write this command?
Thanks in advance
does anyone know if its possible to make roms like LiquidSmooth ,D-WiZ
and others to support HDMI and webtop mode ?
i deleted my webtop (liquidsmooth installed on system2 in bmm)
and the webtop mode still works when i on system1
so how can i make the rom support hdmi connection?
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does anyone know if its possible to make roms like LiquidSmooth ,D-WiZ
and others to support HDMI and webtop mode ?
i deleted my webtop (liquidsmooth installed on system2 in bmm)
and the webtop mode still works when i on system1
so how can i make the rom support hdmi connection?
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This also happened to me... But now my custom rom, using SS, recognizes keyboard and mouse, while hdmi is not supported (LiquidSmooth) and when I go back to stock rom and connect to lapdock, it flicker a bit showing the webtop but then itll turn black and it wont even recognize keyboard not mouse... So i'tll be the best If someone could help us how to make use of the webtop that stockrom uses while on custom rom!..