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Hi!
I played with an iPhone the other day and noticed that the "scrolling" kind of slows down when flicking like a web page up or down. Look at this video @ 02:35, you see that when he flick the web page down/up it slows down like half way.
Would that be possible to do in an custom ROM? Have it already be done maybe?
Dont come with that "BUY AN IPHONE IF YOU WANT IT!!" stuff, because I love android but that feauture just got me.
Alex.
Lol it's android, no body has done that yet I think. Why would you want it? It only looks sexy, but the Android scrolling is much better. That iPhone scrolling annoys me! Especially on websites, you've to scroll so much before coming to the end of a website!
I think it may be done by some setting in the browser...
Maybe a dev can try to implement this feature in a Rom, that'd be the most sexiest way
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Hi All
Googling around showed me that i'm not the only one seeing rather choppy web browsing experience. Zooming in and out, scrolling, etc.... Opera seems to eliminate some of those issues, but wouldn't you think this quad-core beast should perform better than an older dual core iPad2?
Whats your take?
Update: ICS didn't help the observation a bit...
P.S. -> i'm not complaining..its a solid machine otherwise, i'm just trying to see if the big-old collective mind of the internet generates a simple solution.
descriminator said:
Hi All
Googling around showed me that i'm not the only one seeing rather choppy web browsing experience. Zooming in and out, scrolling, etc.... Opera seems to eliminate some of those issues, but wouldn't you think this quad-core beast should perform better than an older dual core iPad2?
Whats your take?
Update: ICS didn't help the observation a bit...
P.S. -> i'm not complaining..its a solid machine otherwise, i'm just trying to see if the big-old collective mind of the internet generates a simple solution.
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Try Dolphin FTW. https://market.android.com/details?id=mobi.mgeek.TunnyBrowser
If I pay attention, I might notice that the stock browser isn't perfectly smooth. However, in terms of just using the thing, I'm finding it perfectly fine. I think Google could certainly tighten things up a bit, but it's nothing I'd feel the need to complain about.
Google plans on merging "Browser" with Chrome, so it will get better.
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Try Dolphin FTW. https://market.android.com/details?id=mobi.mgeek.TunnyBrowser
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Dolphin wasn't too much better...Opera was the most dramatic improvement for some reason.
What about Force 2D HW Rendering switch thingie under developer's options? Any ideas if that would improve anything? didn't seem to for me, but i'm not sure if it supposed to.
agreed
browsing is definitely choppy, noticed it switching from using my moms ipad for a week, also my homepage tarted bugging out about an hour ago,whenever i tiuched the menu icon in the lower right corner half the screen would turn black first then it would show the menu and as far as typing goes ipad>TFP ipad is wayyyyyy easier to type on also video quality is bettr on ipad, gaming is obviously better on TFP, TFP is seriously not all its cracked up to be
I've been using an iPhone 4 (not 4S) for the last few days, and while there's very little I like about it, I've got to say, I'm incredibly disappointed that Chrome on iOS using 3G loads heavy pages faster than my Rezound on LTE. The rendering is just that much faster--it appears the bottleneck really isn't bandwidth, but GPU? Even with ICS, which was supposed to improve hardware acceleration.
Frustrating.
which result u get with wifi ?
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which result u get with wifi ?
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Good question, I'll give that a try for comparison. There's simply no way for bandwidth to be the problem though, I pretty routinely hit 35mbps on LTE around here.
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I've been using an iPhone 4 (not 4S) for the last few days, and while there's very little I like about it, I've got to say, I'm incredibly disappointed that Chrome on iOS using 3G loads heavy pages faster than my Rezound on LTE. The rendering is just that much faster--it appears the bottleneck really isn't bandwidth, but GPU? Even with ICS, which was supposed to improve hardware acceleration.
Frustrating.
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Alotta people don't know buut the iPhone has hardware that allows fast webpage loadtimes. And also, run the test again and look on the top left corner of the iPhone and you'll notice its still loading the webpage even though it looks already done. It tricks ya.
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funnyangrykid said:
Alotta people don't know buut the iPhone has hardware that allows fast webpage loadtimes. And also, run the test again and look on the top left corner of the iPhone and you'll notice its still loading the webpage even though it looks already done. It tricks ya.
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True. Apple has tons of tricks it uses to make things seem faster on the iphone.
example: opening apps first shows a screenshot of when it last was used, it doesn't load that fast. if you move fast enough you can notice its stuck/laggy even though it seems it loaded instantly.
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Good question, I'll give that a try for comparison. There's simply no way for bandwidth to be the problem though, I pretty routinely hit 35mbps on LTE around here.
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try to compare it with dolphin hd
chrome vs dolphin hd on rez on 4G
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try to camper it with dolphin hd
chrome vs dolphin hd on rez on 4G
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*compare
So, somewhat curiously, it's much more equal on wifi, which makes me curious about LTE. And I did notice that iOS Chrome seems to get stuck occasionally loading ads, where AdFree Android ensures they never load on my Rezound.
On mobile websites the Rezound seemed much quicker, on full-content sites the iPhone seemed to have a bit of an advantage still. But not nearly as big a one as on mobile data.
Check THIS out.
iPhone 4S vs Rezound smackdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqtbXEbb6xU
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I just did a side by side test with my Rezound running Chrome vs a friend's iPhone 4 (no S) running its stock browser, and the Rezound absolutely trounced the iPhone in page loading speed, but the iPhone pretty much destroyed the Rezound in scrolling speed and responsiveness...
Honestly, Chrome has had some weird issues on my phone. Even though it just came out of "beta", it still seems very buggy on my phone...
I'll have to see if he doesn't mind downloading Chrome so I can do a direct comparison of the two phones with the same browser, but given that Chrome has some problems on my phone, I'm sure Chrome on iOS will give me a hard time...
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I just did a side by side test with my Rezound running Chrome vs a friend's iPhone 4 (no S) running its stock browser, and the Rezound absolutely trounced the iPhone in page loading speed, but the iPhone pretty much destroyed the Rezound in scrolling speed and responsiveness...
Honestly, Chrome has had some weird issues on my phone. Even though it just came out of "beta", it still seems very buggy on my phone...
I'll have to see if he doesn't mind downloading Chrome so I can do a direct comparison of the two phones with the same browser, but given that Chrome has some problems on my phone, I'm sure Chrome on iOS will give me a hard time...
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Chrome on my iPad is nice. Its much better than safari. The only thing I miss is.the bookmark bar tabs
I will not.use a browser as my main browser without those
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Chrome on my iPad is nice. Its much better than safari. The only thing I miss is.the bookmark bar tabs
I will not.use a browser as my main browser without those
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Is it that important? I don't think I even use bookmarks anymore in Chrome. It knows the website i want to go to usually with no more than two/three keystrokes in the url window.
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Is it that important? I don't think I even use bookmarks anymore in Chrome. It knows the website i want to go to usually with no more than two/three keystrokes in the url window.
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Just because you can do it doesn't mean it isn't for other people. I have maybe 50+ bookmarks. I like being able to 1 click and open folders of bookmarks rather than typing every website in the folder one by one.
Reading from various articles and comments from users it seems that
1) There seems to be a bit of dropped frames and stuttering.
2) The GPU sometimes struggle to handle the high res.
Is this the case? How smooth would you say it is really 90% of the time?
I have no issues with lag or studdering, save for the occasional hiccup when I used Chrome. I simply installed AOSP browser and all is well.
Can u install the aosp browser on the stock Tom?
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90% of the time it's literally as smooth as the definition of the word 'smooth' can be. Literally couldn't be any smoother.
The ONLY time it isn't 60 frames per second smooth are when you are either using chrome or hitting a throttling point when posting an intensive game, hopefully the lat err well be fixed.
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90% of the time it's literally as smooth as the definition of the word 'smooth' can be. Literally couldn't be any smoother.
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+1, except for my purposes this is a conservative figure. I've been using this heavily for a few weeks, and it's been incredibly smooth about 98% of the time. Handles beautifully, battery life has been great, and I keep thinking of more ways to use it in place of clunkier pieces of tech. One of the best purchases I've made in a long time.
Had it about 24 hours now and it is very smooth.
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Reading from various articles and comments from users it seems that
1) There seems to be a bit of dropped frames and stuttering.
2) The GPU sometimes struggle to handle the high res.
Is this the case? How smooth would you say it is really 90% of the time?
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It's probably the smoothest device ever when it is smooth. All of the tasks I do, it handles well. Games like NBA Jam, Anomaly Warzone, etc.. have no problems at all (I've seen more intensive games in YouTube, but those aren't particularly my type so..). I'd say about 95% of the time it is darn smooth, way smoother than when I got my GNex out of the box. The 5% isn't 'stuttery' or 'laggy' -- the device becomes crippled to the point that you sleep it and it won't come back on anymore and you'd have to force a reboot. This happens mostly with Chrome.
Its like butter the majority of the time. Do yourself a favor, dont use chrome and disable Google Currents. Then try to find a faster tablet on the market right now. You wont.
Install ktmanta kernel and its even smoother using his governor . also you can change the the thermal limits ..
No more throttling so far
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Can u install the aosp browser on the stock Tom?
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I assume you meant stock ROM and got auto corrected. But yes, its possible to install AOSP browser on the stock ROM. I've done it on my N10. You'll obviously need to be rooted, as you need to copy the apk to system/apps.
I recently discovered Ocean Browser courtesy of this forum. That really made this tablet the smothest computer I've ever seen.
Its buttery smooth, just srsly dont use Chrome on it as of yet, such a let down, froze ny tab twice.
Got paranoid on it now and im happy with it.
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It's pretty smooth, but not Nexus 4 smooth. If you're just kind of using it lackadaisically then it's very smooth. However, once you start going all Bruce Lee in it, you'll notice the stuttering and dropped frames. I'm not complaining - I like multitasking, but there's certainly room for improvement.
Maybe I see it more because I have multiple accounts (which is a buggy right now) and both accounts are eating up a lot of memory?
EDIT: By the way, I use Chrome and like how it works - that may be a contributor based on what everyone is saying. Having said that, Chrome seems to work really well on my N4. It's not the fastest browser, but it's fast enough and I like how it functions.
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It's pretty smooth, but not Nexus 4 smooth. If you're just kind of using it lackadaisically then it's very smooth. However, once you start going all Bruce Lee in it, you'll notice the stuttering and dropped frames. I'm not complaining - I like multitasking, but there's certainly room for improvement.
Maybe I see it more because I have multiple accounts (which is a buggy right now) and both accounts are eating up a lot of memory?
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Please define "bruce lee". Is it when you play a game? When you have multiple apps opened? when you are using the mulitasking menu? Youtube?
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Please define "bruce lee". Is it when you play a game? When you have multiple apps opened? when you are using the mulitasking menu? Youtube?
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Yes, multiple apps, multitasking. Again, don't forget that my wife has her own account so that may contribute to it.
Ironically, I just spent ~5-mins (after a fresh boot) trying to recreate the stutter without using Chrome and found it a bit harder than I thought .
Here's what I did:
- Open Dolphin -> Load The Verge
- Open BeyondPod -> Just scrolled through the updates
- Open YouTube -> Watched a review for 10 seconds
- Open JustPictures! -> Click SmugMug account -> Noticed some stuttering loading initial thumbnails (smooth after that)
- Hit Home Key -> Swipe to reveal another desktop -> Some lag getting to the other desktop, same thing going back.. .cleared up after 2-3 swipes back/forth
TBH it wasn't terrible and not worth complaining about, but this is also after a fresh boot. After hours of my wife using it in her account and me using it in mine, I notice these things a bit more often.
It's probably worth noting I may be overly critical since I'm pissed about some of the glitches which happen in the tablet (i.e. apps crashing in the main account, unknown reboots, etc). When trying to recreate the problem the tablet was actually damn smooth - I surprised myself
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Alright... I've been using the n10 for at least an hour now. My wife was using it previously to play songs to our son, etc. It definitely stutters and lags somewhat often. Just strolling posts up and down in Tapatalk HD it stutters/skips frames. Could be a poorly written app? Maybe, but it's a white screen with nothing but a bit of text. So yeah, I stand by what I said originally.
Full disclosure, I did use Chrome, but I'm not evaluating smoothness in that app, nor immediately after it.
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Alright... I've been using the n10 for at least an hour now. My wife was using it previously to play songs to our son, etc. It definitely stutters and lags somewhat often. Just strolling posts up and down in Tapatalk HD it stutters/skips frames. Could be a poorly written app? Maybe, but it's a white screen with nothing but a bit of text. So yeah, I stand by what I said originally.
Full disclosure, I did use Chrome, but I'm not evaluating smoothness in that app, nor immediately after it.
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I use tapatalk on my Gnex, and the HD beta on my N10. The lag you're describing appears to me to be associated with the way the app must retrieve messages to display. Unlike a web page that is fetched completely, it appears that tapatalk is fetching a group of messages at a time...essentially on demand message retrieval. I attribute the lag to the app having to request the next group of messages before it can scroll down and display them.
Not 100% positive about this, but it seems likely to me. Aside from this and the occasional chrome seize up, I have no lagging with my N10.
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I use tapatalk on my Gnex, and the HD beta on my N10. The lag you're describing appears to me to be associated with the way the app must retrieve messages to display. Unlike a web page that is fetched completely, it appears that tapatalk is fetching a group of messages at a time...essentially on demand message retrieval. I attribute the lag to the app having to request the next group of messages before it can scroll down and display them.
Not 100% positive about this, but it seems likely to me. Aside from this and the occasional chrome seize up, I have no lagging with my N10.
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Thanks for your reply... The tablet was fine since last night, but after I posted, went into Chrome and it froze causing a reboot. I'm going to live w/out Chrome for a while and see if that's more of a culprit than I give it credit for.
By the way I think you're wrong about tapatalk. Even if it does work as you describe, then after loading, I should be able to scroll up/down without the frame skips, yet that's not the case.
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So I just got my nexus today and wanted to reserve judgment for a couple of days but couldn't help myself, mostly because I'm looking for answers. Out of the box I actually prefer the materials used for the nexus. The back has more grip to it but still manages to feel premium. The speaker grills are deceiving because sound only plays From the very top of them. The nexus is wider so it might just take some getting used to but for the time being it is a bit awkward to hold in landscape orientation. Watching movies that are intended to be in high def are actually sharper looking on the iPad than they are on the nexus. Both YouTube and Netflix movies. These are less complaints and more just differences I noticed
...That said my real gripe is with the chrome browser because this is what I find myself doing with the tab most frequently. Safari and even chrome on the iPad were buttery experiences. Even chrome on my note 2 is fantastic but for whatever reason chrome on the nexus 10 gives me unbearable load times, and once its loaded scrolling up and down web pages is painfully choppy and basically has a load time of its' own. I'm wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me as far as the browser goes and what their solution was. I was going to root and flash cm10 but would like to stay in rooted so that I can use my time Warner Tv app. If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate your help thanks.
Try a custom ROM / custom kernel combination. I'm currently on AOKP [PUB] / Trinity Ten and have nothing but smooth performance across all my apps, good battery life, etc. Also make sure you use a youtube app that can support HD. You might have better results with the above. YMMV
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Download Boat browser. It's fast and wastes less on screen space
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I also notice my WiFi is extremely slow compared to all my other devices connected to the same network
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So I just got my nexus today and wanted to reserve judgment for a couple of days but couldn't help myself, mostly because I'm looking for answers. Out of the box I actually prefer the materials used for the nexus. The back has more grip to it but still manages to feel premium. The speaker grills are deceiving because sound only plays From the very top of them. The nexus is wider so it might just take some getting used to but for the time being it is a bit awkward to hold in landscape orientation. Watching movies that are intended to be in high def are actually sharper looking on the iPad than they are on the nexus. Both YouTube and Netflix movies. These are less complaints and more just differences I noticed
...That said my real gripe is with the chrome browser because this is what I find myself doing with the tab most frequently. Safari and even chrome on the iPad were buttery experiences. Even chrome on my note 2 is fantastic but for whatever reason chrome on the nexus 10 gives me unbearable load times, and once its loaded scrolling up and down web pages is painfully choppy and basically has a load time of its' own. I'm wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me as far as the browser goes and what their solution was. I was going to root and flash cm10 but would like to stay in rooted so that I can use my time Warner Tv app. If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate your help thanks.
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Get the aosp browser on there. Its butter smooth. Also go to developer options and turn on force 2d rendering.
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blackhand1001 said:
Get the aosp browser on there. Its butter smooth. Also go to developer options and turn on force 2d rendering.
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Where do I get asop browser
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killerapl said:
Where do I get asop browser
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Alot of custom roms have it pre-installed. Otherwise search for a thread here that will show you how to download and install it.
Cosign on aosp browser. Best browser to date imo.
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thatg said:
my real gripe is with the chrome browser because this is what I find myself doing with the tab most frequently. Safari and even chrome on the iPad were buttery experiences. Even chrome on my note 2 is fantastic but for whatever reason chrome on the nexus 10 gives me unbearable load times, and once its loaded scrolling up and down web pages is painfully choppy and basically has a load time of its' own
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Here's the thing with iPad browser compared to Android; Apple values UX above everything else, so as soon as you touch your finger to the screen, iOS devices stop EVERYTHING and handle the scrolling process exclusively making it nice and smooth. When using Safari, for example, if the page is half-loaded and you touch the screen and start scrolling, iOS stops the page from loading and will not load anything more until you release the screen. Sure, that gives wonderfully smooth scrolling, but it means it won't finish loading the page until you stop scrolling...
On Android, however, while Project Butter does raise the priority of the surfaceflinger and HWComposer, the pages still load when scrolling. On sections of the page that have already loaded it should be just as smooth, however if you scroll to a section that needs to be loaded, Android browsers will all load this section of the page while still scrolling, resulting in a small amount of jutteriness as the scrolling, rendering and loading processes fight for CPU priority. It's getting better as the OS slowly makes better use of multiple cores, but that's the basic jist of it.
This is all paraphrased from an Android development engineer as background explanation of Project Butter and iOS vs Android scrolling experience. (sorry if this is explaining what you already know, I figure the info could be useful to other people as well)
Anyway, as for Chrome vs other browsers, I personally HATE Chrome for Android (it messes up the rendering of lots of sites, only renders at quarter native resolution and loads mobile phone versions of sites by default), and so I use Dolphin Beta instead, which is incredibly smooth and fluid for my uses!
Ok at this point I'm starting to think that the nexus 10 has an issue with wifi and connecting to some routers. After googling about wifi issues it returned way too many results to be a coincidence. My dads got an up touchpad that I put jellybean on and that thing is having absolutely no issues. This isn't an android issue this is definitely a nexus 10 issue. Every other device in the house connects flawlessly but the nexus could take a 30 seconds to google something and a minute to load theverge.com. I think I'll get it replaced. If the replacement has the same issue ill hang onto the ipad. Maybe get an up touchpad
You could try chrome beta too, its what I use and since then I haven't looked back.
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You could try chrome beta too, its what I use and since then I haven't looked back.
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I'm happy with Chrome beta too.
thatg said:
Ok at this point I'm starting to think that the nexus 10 has an issue with wifi and connecting to some routers. After googling about wifi issues it returned way too many results to be a coincidence. My dads got an up touchpad that I put jellybean on and that thing is having absolutely no issues. This isn't an android issue this is definitely a nexus 10 issue. Every other device in the house connects flawlessly but the nexus could take a 30 seconds to google something and a minute to load theverge.com. I think I'll get it replaced. If the replacement has the same issue ill hang onto the ipad. Maybe get an up touchpad
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Dat definitely sounds like a problem. What rom are you using? If you are using stock and having this kind of problems, maybe your N10 is a lemon :crying:
@thatg: if you keep the N10 and want to root, there is a modified version of TWC-TV that will work. I don't have a link handy, but there's a thread here where you can download it.
Later: found it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1604776
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Oh boy typical iPhone fan boi crying wah wah wah
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jay7264 said:
Oh boy typical iPhone fan boi crying wah wah wah
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Its people like you that give android fans a bad name.
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Ok at this point I'm starting to think that the nexus 10 has an issue with wifi and connecting to some routers. After googling about wifi issues it returned way too many results to be a coincidence. My dads got an up touchpad that I put jellybean on and that thing is having absolutely no issues. This isn't an android issue this is definitely a nexus 10 issue. Every other device in the house connects flawlessly but the nexus could take a 30 seconds to google something and a minute to load theverge.com. I think I'll get it replaced. If the replacement has the same issue ill hang onto the ipad. Maybe get an up touchpad
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Disable Wifi power saver. My wife has an ipad 4 and she loves my Nexus 10. Every time I turn around she is using it. Wouldn't be a problem if I enjoyed using her Ipad 4 but I don't like it. I tell her she should have got one, but she says: " I don't want to mess with it, I just want to take it out of the box and use it." Whereas I like to play with settings, tweak, and flash different ROMS. I like to customize my experience. Doesn't sound like android is for you.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but Firefox will solve your problems perfectly. Its bloody fast and renders just as well as chrome. No need to root or anything, just grab from the play store and you're done. This is assuming you don't have a hardware defect. FYI, Chrome was unusually slow for me as well, but I haven't bothered to try again since using Firefox.
I would also suggest using something like the speedtest app while standing next to your router and making sure all other devices/computers are turned off - if that app is being slow under these conditions it may in fact be a hardware problem.
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WiFi is always a PIA but there is no issue specific to N10's, in fact I can get better throughput using it than any other I've ever owned...including my iPad 3.
Its important to note that WiFi is a protocol, not a specific product. Consequently there are many implementations, from many different parties. Not all implementations are compatable unfortunately.
Best advice I can give is to turn any 'speed boost' modes off, ditto using a wider frequency band. Turn any compatability modes available on. If all else fails, try a different router. If you're getting issues with all routers, you may have a fault with your device.
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WiFi is always a PIA but there is no issue specific to N10's, in fact I can get better throughput using it than any other I've ever owned...including my iPad 3. ...
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I totally agree with you. Eventhough I do not have an iPad to compare with the first surprise I had with my N10 was how much faster it was than my old Galaxy P1000, both using the same N only network/router. Web pages almost exploded onto the screen with the N10. My router is a ASUS RT-N16 using the latest Tomato-USB firmware, it is not even a dual-band router.