I know that this isn't a Q&A Forum, but we don't have any, we only have a post that no ones answer, i know too that this question is anwered so many times before but the answer i got was like "is normal", "an article from Xperia phones that explain some of that", but i still don't get it. System always get an amount of RAM needed for the correct working of all stuff. But why in other phones (even with the same chipset) that doesn't happen? And why we can't see where and how the left memory is been used by system? Normally i've seen before how RAM is reduced to share it with GPU, but in ICS our GPU looks worst than on GB so RAM definetely isn't on the GPU, so is good that all of us reach the point of this, i get some screens from other devices and i will posting this in a little bit time. SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH!
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1-i9100G
2-i9100G
3-Motorola Droid Razr (SAME CHIPSET) TI OMAP 4430
4-i9300 Galaxy SIII Exynos Quad
5-i9100 Galaxy SII Exynos Dual
6-i9250 Galaxy Nexus TI OMAP 4460
this was asked before but the answer was found here link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1682204
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this was asked before but the answer was found here link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1682204
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And what is the answer? The article about xperias that i've stated in the OP? If that was the case why in other phones like of the screenshots i put it doesn't happen? I already readed all of related post and no one give me an accurate answer!
why do you need more ram?
uninstall unnecessary apps and use supercharger.
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Lukenda said:
why do you need more ram?
uninstall unnecessary apps and use supercharger.
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I don't need more RAM, what i need is to know WHERE DID my RAM go. Maybe nobody know the answer, if i knew a little bit of development i would search the answer but i can't!
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codeworkx said:
It's only 687 MB shown because some amount of ram gets reserved from the kernel for video and graphics stuff.
But ram is there to be used. Free ram is wasted ram and therefore wasted money.
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Anyways, it doesn't impact performance, and yes, this is mainly tied with the GPU of our phones, it seems.
Jiangyi said:
As Codeworkx said:
Anyways, it doesn't impact performance, and yes, this is mainly tied with the GPU of our phones, it seems.
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Strangely the gpu performs better on GB than JB. How is that possible?
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Jiangyi said:
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Anyways, it doesn't impact performance, and yes, this is mainly tied with the GPU of our phones, it seems.
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Its ok.....i have also read similar thing in xperia topic. But i just want to ask , why does this not happened in the non G version. If it was reserved by kernel for graphics and gpu use then why the graphics performance have become worse in ics....???? All is clear that samsung is not treating the both sets similar only selling them at similar price.....poor samsung .
cooladityarai said:
its ok.....i have also read similar thing in xperia topic. But i just want to ask , why does this not happened in the non g version. If it was reserved by kernel for graphics and gpu use then why the graphics performance have become worse in ics....???? All is clear that samsung is not treating the both sets similar only selling them at similar price.....poor samsung .
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is Gnex in yhe picture has the same ram like us ?
because in pics its has only about 680 like our phone .
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is Gnex in yhe picture has the same ram like us ?
because in pics its has only about 680 like our phone .
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Yeah only the galaxy nexus seems to have the same RAM..
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is Gnex in yhe picture has the same ram like us ?
because in pics its has only about 680 like our phone .
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Oh yes it has same as our..... but it has a better display of 720p res. So what does it mean...??? The cpu has to work more on the extra pixels . And the thing that ram is reserved for graphics sounds correct here because more pixels more load on gpu and ram. But did u noticed the same processor and ram having moto razar hav nearly 800mb available ram. I just can not understand why the G version has been locked with ram and not the nonG version , still while launching the G version Samsung said that both devices are similar in performance. But we all know about it , nothing to say here.
And the most important thing is that Motorola Atrix2 is available @22.5k which have everything same except display, and also gnexus in some places @24 k yet it have more powerful cpu and higher resolution. . ...and what we r paying for i9100g........27.5k . Samsung is only cheating Indian users, even they have not specified on the boxes whether it is G version ( saw many issues like that on google ).
cooladityarai said:
Oh yes it has same as our..... but it has a better display of 720p res. So what does it mean...??? The cpu has to work more on the extra pixels . And the thing that ram is reserved for graphics sounds correct here because more pixels more load on gpu and ram. But did u noticed the same processor and ram having moto razar hav nearly 800mb available ram. I just can not understand why the G version has been locked with ram and not the nonG version , still while launching the G version Samsung said that both devices are similar in performance. But we all know about it , nothing to say here.
And the most important thing is that Motorola Atrix2 is available @22.5k which have everything same except display, and also gnexus in some places @24 k yet it have more powerful cpu and higher resolution. . ...and what we r paying for i9100g........27.5k . Samsung is only cheating Indian users, even they have not specified on the boxes whether it is G version ( saw many issues like that on google ).
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Just go ahead & sue Samsung for cheating... as consumers we have right to know the real model we are paying for... but i dont think can win the case so just be it!
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Just go ahead & sue Samsung for cheating... as consumers we have right to know the real model we are paying for... but i dont think can win the case so just be it!
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Man u r wrong we can win against samsung . They are cheating us Under Consumer Act 1987 . So we can.....either they refund our money or replace with the original one. And also Samsung has to pay for the mental hrassment that we suffered.
What if I told you the 680mb ram is just a display error across the device.
Have you ever exceeded using 680mb ram on the phone?
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I know that this isn't a Q&A Forum, but we don't have any, we only have a post that no ones answer, i know too that this question is anwered so many times before but the answer i got was like "is normal", "an article from Xperia phones that explain some of that", but i still don't get it. System always get an amount of RAM needed for the correct working of all stuff. But why in other phones (even with the same chipset) that doesn't happen? And why we can't see where and how the left memory is been used by system? Normally i've seen before how RAM is reduced to share it with GPU, but in ICS our GPU looks worst than on GB so RAM definetely isn't on the GPU, so is good that all of us reach the point of this, i get some screens from other devices and i will posting this in a little bit time. SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH!
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3-Motorola Droid Razr (SAME CHIPSET) TI OMAP 4430
4-i9300 Galaxy SIII Exynos Quad
5-i9100 Galaxy SII Exynos Dual
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I regret buying this phone, if you ask me, not because is Samsung, just because it's Android. I really don't understand the logic behind a mobile OS that uses lots of RAM in a device that obviously does not have great battery. I had at the time an iPhone 4S and my SGSII simultaneously, so I got the chance to test them in RL. Even iPhone having a less efficient display (LCD vs AMOLED) and a smaller battery than the one on the SGSII, in actual daily use, iPhone seems to handle its RAM way better than any Android I have tested. The problem in many Android IMO is when in idle, still consuming a lot of RAM that greatly affects battery.
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I regret buying this phone, if you ask me, not because is Samsung, just because it's Android. I really don't understand the logic behind a mobile OS that uses lots of RAM in a device that obviously does not have great battery. I had at the time an iPhone 4S and my SGSII simultaneously, so I got the chance to test them in RL. Even iPhone having a less efficient display (LCD vs AMOLED) and a smaller battery than the one on the SGSII, in actual daily use, iPhone seems to handle its RAM way better than any Android I have tested. The problem in many Android IMO is when in idle, still consuming a lot of RAM that greatly affects battery.
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so u think more free ram is better ? its maybe right in ios but its not in android. ram is born to be used.
Dont think ram consuming cause battery drain.
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Scenario: An Xperia™ Phone.
"Now, let’s look at how the RAM is used. Out of our 512MB RAM, about a third is used for functions that require a dedicated memory slot to operate fast enough. For example, this is the case for certain multimedia functions. The remaining space, which is at least 340MB, is reserved for the Linux user space, as required in the Android Compatibility Definition Document (CDD). Within the Linux user space, functions like the activity manager and Home screen app are running." (Sonymobile, 2012).
Picture illustration as follows:
This partitioning more or less applies to all other manufacturers' devices, thus explains why the promised 1GB in our device is not entirely visible to us.
As to why different phones with the same chipset has different amounts of RAMs (i.e. Samsung SGS2 VS Motorola Droid Razr & that Razr appears to have more usable RAM), it simply goes back to the reason:
Samsung SGS2 consists of more system functions thus uses more more RAM than compared to that of Motorola Droid Razr.
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this was asked before but the answer was found here link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1682204
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Direct source (read more): Learn about the technical differences between Gingerbread and ICS [Updated] — Developer World
KeithOYS said:
Straight answer below.
Scenario: An Xperia™ Phone.
"Now, let’s look at how the RAM is used. Out of our 512MB RAM, about a third is used for functions that require a dedicated memory slot to operate fast enough. For example, this is the case for certain multimedia functions. The remaining space, which is at least 340MB, is reserved for the Linux user space, as required in the Android Compatibility Definition Document (CDD). Within the Linux user space, functions like the activity manager and Home screen app are running." (Sonymobile, 2012).
Picture illustration as follows:
This partitioning more or less applies to all other manufacturers' devices, thus explains the OP's question why the promised 1GB in our GT-I9100 is not entirely visible to us.
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But that answer why razr doesn't have less ram and our phone does? Same chipset same os same version.
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But that answer why razr doesn't have less ram and our phone does? Same chipset same os same version.
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it depend on the manufacturer.
s2g samsung
razr motorola
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Hi, I bought XS quiet some 20 days back and out of curiosity I installed phone tester to check. The results showed was only 700 mb for ram, whereas as per the spec it need to be 1gb. can someone help out on this...
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you can see here :
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Son experia S ram capacity
Hi, thanks for response... but even in that thread there was no concrete conclusion to state why the size details were not exactly shown. I am still not convinced on this.
ok BASICALLY this happens with ALL android devices. The operating software takes up some ram on it's own for example on htc devices the sense ui takes up ram and on samsung it is touchwiz. No matter how many roms you use you will never be able to see the full capacity of the ram, apps on multitasking also cause ram numbers to lower. Generally a sign of a low ram number means more battery is being used but it is nothing to worry about
sensation lover said:
ok BASICALLY this happens with ALL android devices. The operating software takes up some ram on it's own for example on htc devices the sense ui takes up ram and on samsung it is touchwiz. No matter how many roms you use you will never be able to see the full capacity of the ram, apps on multitasking also cause ram numbers to lower. Generally a sign of a low ram number means more battery is being used but it is nothing to worry about
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LOL
Your RAM is OK.
Android uses a lot of cache but uses it dynamically.
If you want to see a bit more free RAM clear the caches for big apps.
If you "free" more RAM your phone may even get slower, because the system is using it to speed up processes.
Does anyone else notice that the graphics in games on the S3 really suck?!! I have played Homerun 3D on my Nexus and it looked great but on the S3, it's pixilated and doesn't look so good. Does anyone else notice the same issue with games you play? Is there anything we can do (I suspect not)? All this RAM is great and all but I'd like a better graphical experience when playing games on this beast.
Any other graphic issues...post then here and share. :good:
Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant, more relevant that comparing it to the OMAP 4460. He would probably like to have better gaming performance but still have the things he likes about his current phone....the International GSIII with the Mali400 GPU is the best pick to fit that bill.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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I'm not going to turn this into a flame war.
Op - check with the developer if stock and await a response. If you are running a rom check within the rom developers original post to see if there were build prop changes, and if so go back to stock (if this game is important to you)
You can also try a reinstall as it looks like the game may only look at the build prop on the original run. I installed it myself and it looked good but I also didn't compare it to a nexus.
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I have HomeRunBattle3D on my stock GS3 and it bats it out of the park!
(sorry)
I realize I didn't by a gaming device but I just thought that the graphics would at least be on par with the Nexus. Thank you for pointing out about the updates and such, I forgot about that. Maybe developers will optimize some of their apps for the S3 the more popular it gets.
I attached a screenshot from my phone of the game I was playing. Look at the skyline and the pixelisation. That is what I was talking about. It's kinda choppy when you hit a home run...not as smooth like it was on Nexus. All in all though...no big deal really. I just wondered why it was like that is all. Great discussion though!! Thank you!! :good:
I get a snag here and there with every game I play.
what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
sumouktick said:
what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will result in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will resort in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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what do you think? will 2GB RAM boost the speed of s III? mean, will it help to run high graphics games smoother than the International version of s III?
No
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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Are you here now too
Get used to it. Sgs3 forum manages to knock down the average xda iq quite a bit.
Not so much a dig at this op... this is quite mild
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are you asking me to inform you before posting a thread????????
Product F(RED) said:
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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thanks for your information. I've got it now.:good: can you please make me understand that how samsung make a 4G LTE supported quad-core processor in a short time?
Normally, everything (RAM, CPU, GPU, DAC, Radios) are on one chip called an SoC (System on a Chip). Samsung put a separate 4G LTE radio in the phone, which talks to the SoC when it's being used. To clarify, when you say Exynos, you're talking about the SoC; that's what Samsung's is called. Snapdragon and Tegra III are other SoC's. But anyways, they put a separate (not on the SoC) LTE radio in there to make them be able to talk to each other, BUT it results in much less battery life since the phone has to power several components at once instead of one chip with everything on it.
This isn't the first time they've done this. The Tab 7.7 on Verizon (4G LTE) here in the US has the same Exynos dual-core as the Galaxy S II, but it has separate radio as well. The separate 4G LTE radio must have its own co-processor of some kind to process the information that the Exynos can't.
this is not a new question, and I believe it is one of the most frequent questions and I was convinced with the giving answers but after getting my nexus 7 I am looking for some explanations.
why do we have low available RAM.I usually have 200 or less free RAM while my nexus 7 have ~ 500 free RAM. and even the total amount of RAM (used and free) together is about ~650MB and not 1GB, I have read that because delvic catch and other system process uses some RAM, but again my nexus 7 shows total of 1GB RAM (see screenshot attached).
so is this a problem with xperia s itself or is it ICS and this will change with JB
I know that android can free RAM when required and I know that the system using some and I shouldn't care, but using heavy apps and live wallpaper just eats the rest of the RAM and the phone become laggy until I make a restart, then it becomes fine.
any explanation?
It is normal. Live with it.
It's normal, it's not the same as windows, or other OS, I remember I've read in some place that this 'low free ram' is good, because it will start faster the most used apps.
Why does the nexus show almost all of the RAM?
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Felimenta97 said:
Why does the nexus show almost all of the RAM?
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They all say gpu and os and lalala but problem is that nobody know and we have to live with that.
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I think because since nexus 7 is aosp thus bloat free it shows up more ram..
The xperia have more stuff always running in the background so it eats the ram up if you take off stuf like timescape and yada yada might make a difference..
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shahkam said:
I think because since nexus 7 is aosp thus bloat free it shows up more ram..
The xperia have more stuff always running in the background so it eats the ram up if you take off stuf like timescape and yada yada might make a difference..
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A) There is no way that nexus 7 has 650 RAM
B) We only have 700MB vacant RAM.
C) I uninstalled all the bloatware, there are some more com.bull_****.android processes that can be killed.
D) I made some changes in the heapsize... by this tutorial. Works in JB as well.
E) All of the above?:fingers-crossed:
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It is normal. Live with it.
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I am not looking for solution, I am sure if anyone knows how to sort it, he would have done a long ago, I am looking for explanation
Felimenta97 said:
Why does the nexus show almost all of the RAM?
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exactly, that what I am looking for, explanation
gm007 said:
They all say gpu and os and lalala but problem is that nobody know and we have to live with that.
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that what I concluded from several posts I read, no one seems to know the reason, and I am not convinced with any answer, I am now actually starting to think that our xperia s has ~700mb RAM not 1gb just like the HTC desire HD which has 768mb RAM
I think because since nexus 7 is aosp thus bloat free it shows up more ram..
The xperia have more stuff always running in the background so it eats the ram up if you take off stuf like timescape and yada yada might make a difference..
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I don't think bloatware has anything to do with this, if it is because bloatware is eating the RAM, then it will be shown as used not completely disappear.
Nexus 7 shows @GB RAM because Tegra is way smarter than Adreno when it comes to graphics RAM.
is there any apps can stop those useless apps to autorun its own or auto startup when phone turn on??
i tried:
autostarts
startup manager
autorun manager
easy app lock
all these doesnt work on my xperia s... thy work in my xperia x10 before... (p.s. my phone is running ICS and is rooted...)
not sure what difference it makes. My phone sits on 105MB free most of the time. I have no lag
what i know from the HTC One X is that tegra 3 GPU is sharing the memory in real time, not partititioning it like the others. only a small amount is saved for kernel so it was showing about 900 Mb of ram. i dont think it is good idea with all that single memory controller. but anyways, tegra GPU is generally sharing the graphic load with CPUs. this is why tegra optimised games make CPUs jump to max even the other devices can handle them easly with chainfire 3D.
and the reason it has more free memory everytime is that, the multitasking is less agressive in quad core devices due to the possible battery drain and heating problems. and this makes me think if upgrading to quad-core is a bottle neck in software with todays battery and 40 Nm technologies.
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what i know from the HTC One X is that tegra 3 GPU is sharing the memory in real time, not partititioning it like the others. only a small amount is saved for kernel so it was showing about 900 Mb of ram. i dont think it is good idea with all that single memory controller. but anyways, tegra GPU is generally sharing the graphic load with CPUs. this is why tegra optimised games make CPUs jump to max even the other devices can handle them easly with chainfire 3D.
and the reason it has more free memory everytime is that, the multitasking is less agressive in quad core devices due to the possible battery drain and heating problems. and this makes me think if upgrading to quad-core is a bottle neck in software with todays battery and 40 Nm technologies.
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Quad core is just overkill on mobile. It needs a different approach. OMAP5 is quad core, but the two 'main' (faster) cores kick in dynamically, and most of the system runs on two 'coprocessor' (slower) cores. That's an interesting concept because it can dedicated two cores to a single application and keep the system running in the background.
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I am not looking for solution, I am sure if anyone knows how to sort it, he would have done a long ago, I am looking for explanation
exactly, that what I am looking for, explanation
that what I concluded from several posts I read, no one seems to know the reason, and I am not convinced with any answer, I am now actually starting to think that our xperia s has ~700mb RAM not 1gb just like the HTC desire HD which has 768mb RAM
I don't think bloatware has anything to do with this, if it is because bloatware is eating the RAM, then it will be shown as used not completely disappear.
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Dude Xperia S definitely has 1gb of ram. I am getting sick of people saying it has less because they don't understand the way the os works. There is no RAM conspiracy.
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3vilhomer said:
is there any apps can stop those useless apps to autorun its own or auto startup when phone turn on??
i tried:
autostarts
startup manager
autorun manager
easy app lock
all these doesnt work on my xperia s... thy work in my xperia x10 before... (p.s. my phone is running ICS and is rooted...)
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Rom Toolbox works.
mrsatan said:
Dude Xperia S definitely has 1gb of ram. I am getting sick of people saying it has less because they don't understand the way the os works. There is no RAM conspiracy.
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The problem is the phone does report less than 1GB and people are used to the likes of windows reporting the amount the actual installed RAM not what is actually available for use.
Sick of hearing it or not you better get used to it because unless manufacturers or Google start displaying the amount of RAM actually in the phone the same question is going to be asked for ever more.
MrBelter said:
The problem is the phone does report less than 1GB and people are used to the likes of windows reporting the amount the actual installed RAM not what is actually available for use.
Sick of hearing it or not you better get used to it because unless manufacturers or Google start displaying the amount of RAM actually in the phone the same question is going to be asked for ever more.
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Until I switched to 64 bits, it always have shown me I had 3 Gb, when in fact I have 4 Gb...
MrBelter said:
The problem is the phone does report less than 1GB and people are used to the likes of windows reporting the amount the actual installed RAM not what is actually available for use.
Sick of hearing it or not you better get used to it because unless manufacturers or Google start displaying the amount of RAM actually in the phone the same question is going to be asked for ever more.
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No if u use PC with non-dedicated gpu/VGA. Imagine if people complain their 2 gB ram laptop has only 1.5 gB in the Windows. There are a lot of laptops saying that they have 2 gB ram (in their advertisement ), yet the fact is they only have less then 2 gB cause of the sharing of gpu.
Felimenta97 said:
Until I switched to 64 bits, it always have shown me I had 3 Gb, when in fact I have 4 Gb...
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Lol.it's different case. It's because the os (32 bit) doesn't support more than 3 gB ram. But there's a hack to make the 32 bit windows use more than 3 gB of ram.
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From what i read in linux forums:
"Unused RAM is wasted RAM"
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Erachter said:
From what i read in linux forums:
"Unused RAM is wasted RAM"
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This.
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to know any provider in US is providing the quad core version of the phone? I have to get myself a new phone. And will weigh my options between iPhone 5 and S3 (just waiting for reviews and comparisons), but wanted the quad core version of the Galaxy S III.
U can get them from newegg brand new but at full price.
All the us carriers have the dual core version. And actually my brother has lte dual core version from T-Mobile and according to our test, his is slightly better in the graphics department and mine is better in cpu but not enough to tell a difference.
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both on stock at the moment!!
The Snapdragon has a 2GB RAM right?
Yes it does! But there is a new quad with 2gb ram coming
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I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
SGS_elko said:
I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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Never felt any heat at my quad device, no offence, just telling
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SGS_elko said:
I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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I beg to differ. I actually have both devices currently. The overall speed is slightly different. The dualcore seems a bit quicker but it's not as smooth and fluid as the 9300. You really can only tell having them side by side by the US version is slightly more jerky than the 9300. I'm not saying the US is a slouch at all but side by side you can see the difference.
The JB leak on the US version has made it super smooth though. I believe project butter is farther along on the dualcore JB leaks than the 9300 leaks.
About the heat, my US version actually heats up more than my 9300. The Ram department I'm not seeing a huge difference there either. I mean sure the US has more free ram available but so far I havent noticed anything too different. I mean I have over 700mb free on my US version now. I opened an app like 20 min ago came back to it and it had to relaunch so even though I had over 700MB free the app still closed itself(or android did)
They are both great devices and I do find myself switching between the two. LTE is very nice..
I really really hope they release a quad with 2gb and LTE in the US like they are in other parts of the world but I doubt they will since in their eyes NA already has a LTE capable GS3 with 2gb of ram. That would be my perfect phone
So I wouldnt hold my breath for them releasing one in the US that just has Quadcore with 2gb of ram and LTE but I guess I can hope
The international version has a faster GPU by quite a way. However, if I were you I'd focus more on whether you require 4G than whether you can get hold of the quad core. The reality is that the quad core processor is not better. If I had the choice I'd have gone for the S4, but of course that choice was not there.
hell_storm2004 said:
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to know any provider in US is providing the quad core version of the phone? I have to get myself a new phone. And will weigh my options between iPhone 5 and S3 (just waiting for reviews and comparisons), but wanted the quad core version of the Galaxy S III.
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While many are responding to your question about S3 quad vs US dual core differences, I wanted to respond to your iPhone 5 vs S3 doubt.
I think you should first of all think about screen size. In my opinion, 4" and 4.8" are totally different things. For me the choice is simple, I wouldn't want the iPhone because the screen is too small. The apps can be fantastic and fluid on the iPhone, I will enjoy them more on a (much) larger 4.8" screen. The iPhone 5 seems to really have a (exynos 5 based) dual core A15 based processor, which is pretty neat. The performance should be really great while battery life will be solid as well. Anyway, it all doesn't matter because the screen is too small!
So I would say think about this, if you still have doubts between the iPhone 5 and the S3 (whatever version)
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Confirmed A15 ?
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No nothing is confirmed it might be a15s but definitely not exynos!!
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Ausboy 2011 said:
No nothing is confirmed it might be a15s but definitely not exynos!!
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Maybe the same processor used in new Sony smartphones.
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Not exynos, exynos based or exynos cousin.
It is apple A6.
Also A-15 is a rumour, NOTHING is for certain.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
There is no way u would choose the dual core 2gb over the quad core 2gb. Thats a joke. They done a comparison and the dual core 2gb is equal to the quad 1gb. So let's just imagine the quad with 2gb
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eric-filth said:
Maybe the same processor used in new Sony smartphones.
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No apple made the cpu in house so it's there own cpu
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I also own both devices and I've been having such a hard time deciding on which one to keep and which one to sell. The US version definitely is jerkier on ICS. I'm downloading the T-Mobile JB leak right now, but I was running one of the Canadian leaks and it still felt jerky like ICS was. Battery life between the two seems pretty even although the International seems to win out. Also I'm on Straight Talks so LTE isn't a factor for me. The US model probably due to the modems and what not seems to be better with straight talk than my International does. Sound quality I have to say is better on the i9300 vs. 747. Even with cheapo headphones I was noticing some songs sounded worse on the i747 vs. i9300. I'm still going back and forth. The 2gb of ram is nice, but I really haven't seen any difference in the Ram usage between the two. The S4 seems to kill background processes the same as the Exynos. There definitely seems to be more development for the International model over the US one, but seeing as Sprint, T-Mo, AT&T, and Verizon are all the same there's still a lot of development and if one gets a better leak than the others it quickly gets ported.
duowing said:
I also own both devices and I've been having such a hard time deciding on which one to keep and which one to sell. The US version definitely is jerkier on ICS. I'm downloading the T-Mobile JB leak right now, but I was running one of the Canadian leaks and it still felt jerky like ICS was. Battery life between the two seems pretty even although the International seems to win out. Also I'm on Straight Talks so LTE isn't a factor for me. The US model probably due to the modems and what not seems to be better with straight talk than my International does. Sound quality I have to say is better on the i9300 vs. 747. Even with cheapo headphones I was noticing some songs sounded worse on the i747 vs. i9300. I'm still going back and forth. The 2gb of ram is nice, but I really haven't seen any difference in the Ram usage between the two. The S4 seems to kill background processes the same as the Exynos. There definitely seems to be more development for the International model over the US one, but seeing as Sprint, T-Mo, AT&T, and Verizon are all the same there's still a lot of development and if one gets a better leak than the others it quickly gets ported.
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We have the Wolfson chip that's why
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Ausboy 2011 said:
We have the Wolfson chip that's why
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I never really noticed until I was listening to songs on random. Usually when I go for a run I use my Zune HD for music, but I was using my i747 so I could use one of those GPS running apps and I was thinking man I don't remember this song sounding so muffled and flat.
duowing said:
I never really noticed until I was listening to songs on random. Usually when I go for a run I use my Zune HD for music, but I was using my i747 so I could use one of those GPS running apps and I was thinking man I don't remember this song sounding so muffled and flat.
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I have both as well and I'm thinking of using my i9300 as a media player/gaming device and stripping out all the phone stuff and using my i747 for phone functions like surfing the web texting etc.. for the LTE connection (which has spoiled me) But I think I would look pretty funny on the subway with two of the exact same devices. One for my music and one for texting.. hahha
Quad core is the way forward, if you wanted a dual then in all honesty there are better phones out there for the price tag.
A lot of people say that the extras cores aren't always utilized and they're partly right, but the overall feel of the system and gaming in particular will shine through on a quad as opposed to the dual offering.
If you have the honour of being able to choose between them, then you have to weigh up whether you want quad core or 4G.
Personally i've got wifi most places i go and HSPA is rapid for me so it's a no brainer but some ppl just want more, i myself think it's an unnecessary sacrifice.
But thats just my opinion.