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I like the Flyer - I really do. Along with the pen it is a "working man's tablet" second to none. There is only ONE thing keeping me from buying one.
THE PRICE.
When you add the price of the tablet with the pen, you are looking at almost $600 for a single-core tablet. I can pick up an sweet Asus Transformer for $399.00. The $499.00 price tag (and charging extra for the pen) is just NUTS given the competition. At $399.00 (pen included) they would sell 3 times as many of these (if not more).
C'mon HTC, wake up and smell the competition.
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At $399.00 (pen included) they would sell 3 times as many of these (if not more).
C'mon HTC, wake up and smell the competition.
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Yup, that's exactly my price point, too.
The only thing to consider is that Best Buy will sell you the Flyer on an 18 month, no-interest payment schedule if you want. I may go that path if I get impatient. Also, get the Fujitsu sylus that works with the Flyer. B&H has it for $25.00 shipped:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/772804-REG/Fujitsu_FPCPN36AP_Extra_Stylus_for_Fujitsu_s.html
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I understand why many people feel the flyer is expensive. Consider the following reason and think again:
1. HTC Flyer is the only Tablet that has a digitizer on it. The usage is unlimited. The problem is that many android lovers are not developing. We are only "MODing". Creating custom ROMs, etc. I you know what that digitizer can do, in terms of application you will know that having a Flyer is worth all the penny spent.
2. Bestbuy now sells the Flyer to you with the HTC Pen. Just tell them you want the HTC before you pay. Tell them the HTC pen must be included.
3. If you have a working laptop or tablet, you can trade it in at Bestbuy to reduce the cost of any device you buy from Bestbuy.
4. You need to try out the Note app with voice recording on the Flyer. The recording is extremely loud. And also, it is synced with EverNotes.
5. If the Flyer meets your needs, go for it. If not, don't go for it.
There used to be a promotion going on where the pen was free. Just tell them that you weren't available to buy the Flyer when the promotion was going on. They gave me a free pen.
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I like the Flyer - I really do. Along with the pen it is a "working man's tablet" second to none. There is only ONE thing keeping me from buying one.
THE PRICE.
When you add the price of the tablet with the pen, you are looking at almost $600 for a single-core tablet. I can pick up an sweet Asus Transformer for $399.00. The $499.00 price tag (and charging extra for the pen) is just NUTS given the competition. At $399.00 (pen included) they would sell 3 times as many of these (if not more).
C'mon HTC, wake up and smell the competition.
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The price point kind of makes it not really a "working man's tablet", does it not? I'm just joking, just thought it was funny thinking of some carpenter sitting there messing around with his little flyer.
1. Pen is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced. That is the truth. I got the view and it came with the pen. Had it not, I wouldn't even consider buying it. I know, that the pen is the single most different thing about the tablet, but in all honestly nobody wants to write on a screen until it feels like pen and paper. Apple knew this, that's why they were the first people to realize that a tablet shouldn't be like the older PC's that could be flipped around and used a stylus on. Apple knows what the AVERAGE consumer wants.
2. Single-core, duo-core, quad-core all that crap, just doesn't need to be focused on nearly as much as people think. The real proof is in the pudding. The thing runs fine, and unless you REALLY plan on seriously playing 3D games what does it matter? Everyone is so obsessed with having the most powerful processor, or best video processing... How much time do you actually spend playing those high demanding games? Maybe 1% of your usage of the tablet? And it's not even that the tablet can't play them, it's just that it won't be as FAST as some crazy tegra 2 thing.
3. The thing is awesome for what it is. I walked into a best buy the other day (just to pick up a 40$ bt dongle I needed for a few days, then I returned it, I'm not a sucker) and was tooling about with two other 7" tabs (the fujitsu and some other one) and they were pretty much garbage. They ran like 100$ cheaper. Over the 1-2 year lifetime of my tablet, 100$ is very little. Especially for a device I use so often...
Anyway, sorry about the long post.
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1. Pen is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced. That is the truth. I got the view and it came with the pen. Had it not, I wouldn't even consider buying it. I know, that the pen is the single most different thing about the tablet, but in all honestly nobody wants to write on a screen until it feels like pen and paper. Apple knew this, that's why they were the first people to realize that a tablet shouldn't be like the older PC's that could be flipped around and used a stylus on. Apple knows what the AVERAGE consumer wants.
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I sorta disagree. Not that the pen is overpriced (I'm in full agreement with that statement) but that no one wants to write on a screen 'till it feels like paper. I've played with the Flyer/pen combo in BestBuy, and I want it so bad it hurts, LOL!
Seriously, if not for the pen I'd see no reason to trade for my Nook Color. But the pen turns a Flyer into a viable productivity tool. I can totally see myself taking it with me to meetings or when I have to meet with a supervisor and taking notes.
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I sorta disagree. Not that the pen is overpriced (I'm in full agreement with that statement) but that no one wants to write on a screen 'till it feels like paper. I've played with the Flyer/pen combo in BestBuy, and I want it so bad it hurts, LOL!
Seriously, if not for the pen I'd see no reason to trade for my Nook Color. But the pen turns a Flyer into a viable productivity tool. I can totally see myself taking it with me to meetings or when I have to meet with a supervisor and taking notes.
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You need a Flyer.
I've paid 1000$ to buy it. It deserves because Im using every single option included.
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I sorta disagree. Not that the pen is overpriced (I'm in full agreement with that statement) but that no one wants to write on a screen 'till it feels like paper. I've played with the Flyer/pen combo in BestBuy, and I want it so bad it hurts, LOL!
Seriously, if not for the pen I'd see no reason to trade for my Nook Color. But the pen turns a Flyer into a viable productivity tool. I can totally see myself taking it with me to meetings or when I have to meet with a supervisor and taking notes.
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Prepared to be disappointed.
When you write with a stylus on a tablet (not just the flyer/view but also on all the "convertables" running xp from back in the day) it has lag. You end up writing at 80% speed just from the lag. Add in the fact that you are writing on a tiny surface with a low resolution mark means you can fit all of a sentence and a half on one screen (and that's really being generous).
The notes also lack any of the cool features of onenote. Can't copy and paste a section. It is rather tiresome.
The only really useful thing I think the stylus can add is if you are signing a lot of .pdf's or something.
I major in math and economics and HOPED that I might be able to take notes on the view (I tried this on an older 10" xp tablet a while ago) and was very disappointed.
1. When you record the lecture and write, what the person is saying is drowned out by the clacking of your stylus on the screen.
2. HTC has made 0 improvements on the accuracy and the delay of the writing coming from the stylus. Quite disappointing.
BUT it does all come down to preference. Maybe you are find with these shortcomings in light of the brand new ability to actually write on the thing, which I agree is just plain cool.
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Prepared to be disappointed.
When you write with a stylus on a tablet (not just the flyer/view but also on all the "convertables" running xp from back in the day) it has lag. You end up writing at 80% speed just from the lag. Add in the fact that you are writing on a tiny surface with a low resolution mark means you can fit all of a sentence and a half on one screen (and that's really being generous).
The notes also lack any of the cool features of onenote. Can't copy and paste a section. It is rather tiresome.
The only really useful thing I think the stylus can add is if you are signing a lot of .pdf's or something.
I major in math and economics and HOPED that I might be able to take notes on the view (I tried this on an older 10" xp tablet a while ago) and was very disappointed.
1. When you record the lecture and write, what the person is saying is drowned out by the clacking of your stylus on the screen.
2. HTC has made 0 improvements on the accuracy and the delay of the writing coming from the stylus. Quite disappointing.
BUT it does all come down to preference. Maybe you are find with these shortcomings in light of the brand new ability to actually write on the thing, which I agree is just plain cool.
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Not disappointed at all. This is your personal point of view. I dont agree with you. The pen is accurate fast and u can use it to write notes (like the physical yellow notes) certainly you will not use it to write the human history!
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I agree, though I do not use it at all (even I have enabled the phone features in it s-off), you pay for quality and performance. Another think I like about HTC (I use them from almost 7 years), is the battery. It will last very long...
If anybody interested, I live in Canada and I will be selling it. Let someone enjoy it...
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1. When you record the lecture and write, what the person is saying is drowned out by the clacking of your stylus on the screen.
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Oh, I wouldn't use it to take notes at a lecture. For that it would be inadequate, I agree. But based on my experience playing with it in Best Buy, it should be more than adequate for jotting down a few instructions, perhaps a quick diagram or two.
Many tablets, including the Transformer and Galaxy Tab, have cheap plastic bodies. They don't match the sturdiness, look and feel of the Flyer's aluminum body.
When you consider that, the digitizer for the pen (as already mentioned), and maybe other things, it might be that the Flyer costs more to manufacture, and HTC cannot actually afford to charge less and still maintain a decent margin.
Also, the single core 1.5 GHz CPU is actually faster at most things then the dual core tablets (most of which are 1 GHz). Most applications do not support dual core CPU's yet, so its the raw processing clock speed of one core that counts. The dual core comes into play when multi-tasking, such as running processes in the background and switching between apps. If you compare the Flyer to other tablets, you will find the Flyer is actually snappier and smoother most the time. Honeycomb is inherently laggy at this time, and that's partially to blame. But the single core CPU is part of it, too.
I have to agree that it is a bit expensive but it meets my requirements and I use it all day.
I use Notes in all of my meetings or just to jot things down while walking around campus.
It is nowhere near the feature rich MS OneNote but I hope the next version (if there will be one) incorporates some.
As for speed, I don't see a delay when writing.
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It's expensive cause it's good build quality and it's new. Flyer's hard ware is really good: beautiful screen + ntrig digitizer, 1GB ram, Al body,... And HTC has to pay other companies for patent fees, about $50/smart phone. In addition, mobile device market is so HOT now. Remember that the Galaxy tab was also very expensive when it was released. I think we pay most of that money for things we can't see which related to R&D, marketing,... Chinese stuffs are cheap cause they don't pay for those things and they are crap(py).
However from inking point of view, with the "magic" pen, the Flyer is the best in market right now (do not consider Windows devices which are bulky and power hungry). But at the end, thinking about $500-700 laptops, we are definitely overcharged for Flyers. Still love them though.
Don't forget Sense. I think they put a considerable amount of time and money into Sense to make HTC devices distinguishable.
I'm not a huge fan of Sense, but I think the average consumer likes the clean look, and you can only get Sense with HTC, so they can charge more.
I sometimes think it is wise that HTC spends so much time on their UI because that's what the consumer notices.
damn Dollar... i paid 650€ (Germany)for mine -> 950$ ... early adopter
What is wrong with American electronics prices?
Everyting half the price, as else where in the world.
But... still complaing
Maybe its the sign, for a drowning America... low prices are a result of peoples earnings and how much they can afford...
Looks like, they cant afford average world market prices anymore
So before you complain, compare world prices... thank the Germans, Russians Indonesians, Polish, Hispanics, Canadians... even guys in India and Africa that they can afford to subsidy your low priced gadgets through their up to 3 times higher prices... (worst is Dell/Alienware)
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But... still complaing
Maybe its the sign, for a drowning America... low prices are a result of peoples earnings and how much they can afford...
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Gosh I don't really think so. I think its because things have ALWAYS been cheaper here than overseas. It might also depend on sales volume. There are a lot of people in the US vs some European countries. It perhaps cheaper to market/sell products here vs some more bureaucratic nations. But thats just my guess.
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Thank the Germans, Russians Indonesians, Polish, Hispanics, Canadians... even guys in India and Africa that they can afford to subsidy your low priced gadgets through their up to 3 times higher prices... (worst is Dell/Alienware)
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So TRUE. And check the oil price, price of almost everything too (of course we have a bit higher tax here in Europe).
The whole world (especially developing countries) is "subsidizing" the US market. Not so much for us in Europe. But we are "trying hard" now to have subsidy from Africa, Asia, Middle East. LOL.
It is cheaper to ship in the U.S. because fuel prices are lower than Europe. We still produce much of our own fuel. Taxes are lower in the U.S.. The number of consumers with disposable income is higher in the U.S.. The highway infrastructure in the U.S. is better than most European countries.
Sum that all up and we get cheaper prices on most consumer goods.
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Backstory: Staples initially had the TFP available online for a short period, but brought it down within a few days of making it available. I called asking why, and the rep didn't have any info, but told me they could special order me one so I could use my rewards that I have been accumulating (close to $300).
Ordered my TFP on 1/5/12 and was scheduled to get it about a week ago due to wholesaler backorder, but the shipping date got pushed to 1/25/12 due to unavailability. It was only another week, so I decided to wait. I called my rep yesterday around 5 since I hadn't received my package. He called around and eventually got to a specialist team that said that Staples is refusing to sell any more TFPs until all the bugs have been worked out and they can guarantee me a quality product that works as described, due to the abundance of returns and problems with the device in the past months.
Just thought it was interesting a retailer was taking a stand like this. At first I was upset because I know theres only about a 1/3 - 1/5 chance I'll get one with Wifi troubles, which is the only thing I fear. But knowing that I wont have to worry about setting up then returning and setting up again and returning that many people are having to put up with eases my mind, especially with my academics ramping up.
Just thought I'd share
Someone posted on another forum that for the same reason, Amazon currently isn't taking any new orders for the Prime.
Good I hope ASUS loses millions of dollers they deserve it.
It's hard to know what the overall return rate is because the general public usually isn't as anal as XDA'ers. But based on what's been shared here people have gone through four Prime's to get one they're satisfied with. 5% (1:100) is typical in electronics and it costs resellers 15-20% of their costs to process a return. If the Prime's running 1:4 alarms will go off in corporate offices that track return rates and failures. At $499 resellers are making less than $100 on the Prime's they sell. At some point, it becomes a tilt. Resellers will start asking for compensation or added margin to continue selling the Prime if Asus doesn't get their act together.
I'm either in the minority or I waited long enough for the problems to get mostly worked out. I received my Prime from Amazon last week and it's been flawless. Literally zero issues other than some minor light leaking, but I've not had a single device that wasn't guilty of that to some extent. Oh well, I hate to see Asus getting slammed like they are because I love their products, but maybe it's what they need to turn their quality control around.
I think its wise for retailers to refuse any release of a product that has a high return rate. Why? Because for every return, the retailer gets a bad stigma from consumers where they bought the product from. Yes, they dont make the product but they are responsible making decisions to stocking problematic products on their shelves. Then you have the an unnecessary que forming in in the line from the same product over and over again. I know my exchanges on bestbuy delayed them since their returns and sales where on the same line at the time when I arrived. Took my about 15 mins, they made no sales, and the line slowed down since I took up 1 of the 2 sales clerk. I returned it twice and my final was a refund of two tablets took 30 mins with 2 sales clerks. They had to open up another station while I was getting helped.
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I think its wise for retailers to refuse any release of a product that has a high return rate. Why? Because for every return, the retailer gets a bad stigma from consumers where they bought the product from. Yes, they dont make the product but they are responsible making decisions to stocking problematic products on their shelves. Then you have the an unnecessary que forming in in the line from the same product over and over again. I know my exchanges on bestbuy delayed them since their returns and sales where on the same line at the time when I arrived. Took my about 15 mins, they made no sales, and the line slowed down since I took up 1 of the 2 sales clerk. I returned it twice and my final was a refund of two tablets took 30 mins with 2 sales clerks. They had to open up another station while I was getting helped.
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And then... They have to return it to Asus either from an individual store or by shipping it back to their central warehouse. It needs to be run through accounting to have the amount they owe Asus debited for sending it back. It has to be logged in case it's lost or damaged in shipping. Asus may or may not pay the return shipping costs depending on the contract they have with the reseller. Typically large resellers have a clause in their contracts to deal with returns in excess of X% that either trigger a renegotiation or some type of penalty. None of this is good for Asus' profitability.
All I can say is Damn! Lol. ASUS really needs to get on the ball, like yesterday, and deal with these issues head one. Its a shame as this is a great device when it isn't crippled with issues some have been dealing with, like my Prime. I've used mines nonstop since I got it on 12/22 n had no problems with it, aside from obvious GPS issue. I really like it alot n still consider it the best tablet I've had. Even better than my Ipad. BUT ISSUES can't be downplayed or ignored anymore by Asus. If some retailers are refusing to sell the Prime, this could be detrimental to Asus sales. I just hope for the best that they will resolve all of this in a timely manner. Its still only been a month since release so its early enough to turn things around.
MY Prime works well but with all this chaos going on, I've accepted the fact that Overall, Asus really f#&!?!# up this launch of a great product. Everyone's device needs to work great. We know there will be errors but its all adding up too much now. Its too many out there. Doesn't matter anymore if its the minority. It seems like enough now to be a serious problem for Asus.
Let us pray for them..lmfao
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Someone posted on another forum that for the same reason, Amazon currently isn't taking any new orders for the Prime.
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That's the way it should be, stop the shipment and resolve the problem first. When Asus admitted gps problems and modified the specs without lowering the price, there's definitely something amiss with the product. This is further aggravated by the various problems encountered with this "brand new" product which was rushed out the door during the holiday season.
No Amazon, no deal!
Kind of makes me nervous to buy one. I follow these forums to see if it is worth picking up or waiting a little longer.
Yeah I'm highly disappointed with the Prime, overall this device seems to have skipped the whole test stage of development. I owned an original TF (that i bought in Apr 2011) and was very happy with how it performed and the support out of Asus. I'm returning my Prime today (bought from bestbuy Jan13th), I've waited as long as possible for Asus to address the issues and I'm fearful that this unit (TF201) will simply have to be discontinued (or drastic price reductions) in order to gain widespread traction in the market place. I know that ASUS says the new TF700 is slated to be a Premium product in the lineup, I'm just doubtful that it can stay at $600+. Add in the speculation and possibility that Apple will release a new product/features and the pressure on ASUS and others in the Android camp will be to compete aggressively on price.
With close to 60% of the tablet market (and one that is shrinking rapidly due to devices like Kindle Fire etc), it's pretty clear i think that we're about to see some significant changes soon....
I wish the MeMo was available today grrrr....
There are people on these forums that are up to 5 primes and are still looking for the perfect Prime. IT will take time for them to find the perfect one as there is not. So the returns they bring are killing ASUS.
There are also people like me who got a BC prime from gamestop that didn't have any issues aside from GPS. After a quick press near the GPS connector area, I can now stay locked on, even though signal is still low. No WiFi issues, no light bleed, no crashing, dock works fine, battery life seems great, etc.
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Kind of makes me nervous to buy one. I follow these forums to see if it is worth picking up or waiting a little longer.
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Well two major online retailers, Amazon and Staples, have already decided to stop selling the Prime and I suspect a high rate of return has got them nervous too. Walmart carries the 101 but not the 201, and now I'm really curious at to why. Did they know something we don't?
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There are also people like me who got a BC prime from gamestop that didn't have any issues aside from GPS. After a quick press near the GPS connector area, I can now stay locked on, even though signal is still low. No WiFi issues, no light bleed, no crashing, dock works fine, battery life seems great, etc.
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The spring loaded pogo stick connector is pure lame design, Asus used all kinds of ribbon connectors on the Prime but dropped the ball where it was critically important. Anytime a mechanical connection is used, it becomes a point of resistance to the rf signal and when oxidation tarnishes the contacts the reception get even worse. So two issues related to the rf signals are metal shielding and poor electrical contact. Cold solder joints may also be a factor, a rush job will surely contribute to that.
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There are also people like me who got a BC prime from gamestop that didn't have any issues aside from GPS. After a quick press near the GPS connector area, I can now stay locked on, even though signal is still low. No WiFi issues, no light bleed, no crashing, dock works fine, battery life seems great, etc.
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Theres obviously alot of primes out there that are perfectly fine. Like I said, most polls range from 20-30% of primes having wifi issues, clearly the largest problem among a list of 3-4 valid concerns. I just thought that it was interesting that retailers are actually stepping in to protect the consumer in such a dramatic way. I've never heard of anything like this, even with much bigger hardware failures (RROD anyone?).
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Theres obviously alot of primes out there that are perfectly fine. Like I said, most polls range from 20-30% of primes having wifi issues, clearly the largest problem among a list of 3-4 valid concerns. I just thought that it was interesting that retailers are actually stepping in to protect the consumer in such a dramatic way. I've never heard of anything like this, even with much bigger hardware failures (RROD anyone?).
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I doubt retailers are stepping in to protect the consumer. Its more likely that the returns are making the retailers lose money and they refuse to buy anymore from Asus until they solve the problems.
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No surprise there. I had 3 primes in my hands the last month.
2 in the US from Best Buy both with dead pixels
1 in the UK, tablet great except for a little light bleed but the dock was DOA. Couldn't get the dock to charge at all, like the battery is non-existant.
I am still trying for another one.. that's after John Lewis UK can't get any in stock and had to cancel.
Nervous getting it from Frys and Best Buy next week when I am in the US again. If I get it in the UK I can get 2 years warranty.
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I doubt retailers are stepping in to protect the consumer. Its more likely that the returns are making the retailers lose money and they refuse to buy anymore from Asus until they solve the problems.
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For sure an open box return item will no longer sell as brand new for the same price.
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There are people on these forums that are up to 5 primes and are still looking for the perfect Prime. IT will take time for them to find the perfect one as there is not. So the returns they bring are killing ASUS.
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*rolls eyes*
I've witnesses multiple smartphone and device launches, and I hear the same crap about foolish users returning 3-5 phones -- this is even for the HTC Evo and HTC Evo 3D which are regarded has being quite commercially successful.
There are some legitimate issues out there that warrant a return (serial number bug here comes to mind), but I'm willing to put money down that many of the returned units are fine, but were returned because of overzealous customers.
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*rolls eyes*
I've witnesses multiple smartphone and device launches, and I hear the same crap about foolish users returning 3-5 phones -- this is even for the HTC Evo and HTC Evo 3D which are regarded has being quite commercially successful.
There are some legitimate issues out there that warrant a return (serial number bug here comes to mind), but I'm willing to put money down that many of the returned units are fine, but were returned because of overzealous customers.
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True...I had ran out of thankx
If you were still in your window for a full refund from the store would you get the newer model for the screen and hopefully better wifi back panel? My current one has none of the issues my first one had other than weaker wifi. It would take a few days for delivery but the cost is the same. If they dropped the price of the prime I'd return it and buy it again or ask to match it. The t300 didn't feel right in my hands even though it was lower in price. I love the prime but who knows what issues the new model will bring.
There is always a model thats better. My phone, for instance, is the Samsung S2. It does everything i want and im very happy with it. The S3 came out and its nice and shiny and has some improvments but really, do i need it? Im very pleased with what i have.
Now if you are happy with your prime as it is, keep it. Its a good tablet, at least in my eyes, and it works well enough. Sure there are some wifi / gps issues that people have and IO problems, but nobody is to say it will be fixed with the 700. There might be new problems with the 700, who knows.
Do you like the prime as it is?
Do you want to have to wait for the 700 to be released?
how much money are you willing to spend? "decent" tablets are selling for $200-$300. Consider this a "top of the line" tablet, does it fit your budget?
Are you willing to deal with whatever inperfections your prime has or would you wait for somethign that potentially has those problems fixed?
Its your call. I made mine when i bought my tablet. I do not regret my decision. My sister bought a 300, she loves it. Everyones different, only you can decide.
If i was stateside, i'd totally return mine to get a 700. The higher res screen, fixed GPS and Wifi make it way worth it.
I went for it. Returned it last night at Best Buy and ordered it online. Got an email a few hours ago that they unit has already shipped to the store for pick up Tuesday or Wednesday. The sales rep at the store seemed unable to order it for store shipment. Something about being unable to because it wouldn't be coming from one of their distribution centers.
I really do like the prime and this was my second one. I had one from the first batch produced which had bad BT reception and wifi. This second model I got really did have no problem with the BT but the wifi reception was still weak with distance. I will admit it was a rough decision since the unit was functional for my purposes and I had it set up with the apps I like. In the end I'm taking a chance that the plastic strip will allow for better wifi reception.
Price wise it was exactly the same. I had the $499, 32gig model and after tax it was an even trade. If it were to have been more expensive I would have stayed with the prime. But for the equal cost and better wifi (fingers crossed), I am taking the risk on a new product that we have yet to discover any flaws yet.
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I went for it. Returned it last night at Best Buy and ordered it online. Got an email a few hours ago that they unit has already shipped to the store for pick up Tuesday or Wednesday. The sales rep at the store seemed unable to order it for store shipment. Something about being unable to because it wouldn't be coming from one of their distribution centers.
I really do like the prime and this was my second one. I had one from the first batch produced which had bad BT reception and wifi. This second model I got really did have no problem with the BT but the wifi reception was still weak with distance. I will admit it was a rough decision since the unit was functional for my purposes and I had it set up with the apps I like. In the end I'm taking a chance that the plastic strip will allow for better wifi reception.
Price wise it was exactly the same. I had the $499, 32gig model and after tax it was an even trade. If it were to have been more expensive I would have stayed with the prime. But for the equal cost and better wifi (fingers crossed), I am taking the risk on a new product that we have yet to discover any flaws yet.
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Well let us know how it goes! Most stuff that I've read says it's better in every way. I'd really like to have the higher res screen, but beggars (my mom bought me mine ) can't be choosers.
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Well let us know how it goes! Most stuff that I've read says it's better in every way. I'd really like to have the higher res screen, but beggars (my mom bought me mine ) can't be choosers.
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Just wanted to fill you in on the TF700. I've had it for about 2 days now and love it. Right off the start I could tell there is a huge difference in screen image. It just looks crisp and clean. The wifi is greatly improved and I can stream video while using my blue-tooth headphones. That was my biggest hope in this exchange process.
I haven't had any reboots but have had the anr's in browsing and some minor lock ups that are less than 10 seconds. There is light bleed but I suppose it is manageable. GPS took about 30 seconds and locked on to 9 locations from my first floor patio. The volume and power button are improved with a good "click" when pressed. Great tablet so far. Glad I went with the return of my Prime for the Infinity.
If it's an even trade, then you've got nothing to lose. Doesn't the tf700 retail for the same price as the original prime now? At any rate, I'd only go for it if I didn't have to pay extra. There's hardly a difference between the two tablets (GPS and screen resolution).
Hi,
I intend to buy an S3 in two weeks, i've been doing some research on the internet and i found a lot of people talking about screen burns and degradation.
To be honest this phone is very expensive and if i buy it i intend to keep at least for 4 years, so in such a long period will i see a difference in the display?
Do you recommend me to buy this device for the next 4 years or more ?
EDIT : my average using time is 7 hours per day.
The only time I have heard of burn in is on store demo models which are switched on, with the screen on all the time, but it's still not too bad.
4 years you may see some burn in but I think it will be tolerable.
Also keep it in mind that after about 2 years screens should be fairly cheap so if you do see burn in it should be cheap to replace the screen.
If there is burn in during the first 2 years it should be covered under warranty because it's not accidental damage as well.
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4 years is a long time and many many hours of screen use. Honestly... it may degrade slightly but I wouldn't expect to see a change in the screen for a long time.
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darrkangel said:
Hi,
I intend to buy an S3 in two weeks, i've been doing some research on the internet and i found a lot of people talking about screen burns and degradation.
To be honest this phone is very expensive and if i buy it i intend to keep at least for 4 years, so in such a long period will i see a difference in the display?
Do you recommend me to buy this device for the next 4 years or more ?
EDIT : my average using time is 7 hours per day.
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wow 4 years... that's really a long time. :good:
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wow 4 years... that's really a long time. :good:
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Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
darrkangel said:
Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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I can't really afford an expensive phone every year, so what I have done is get it on a 2 year contract, then as long as I pay my bills on time I should get an easy upgrade to a top end phone after the 2 years, recycle my S3 or sell it on and hopefully get a half decent amount for it (cover my first bill after my upgrade at least)
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Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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Well said, mate. We don't have deals here, either! I hope you won't have any problems! I know that you won't be able to replace/repair/exchange your phone very easily. It's the same with me.
So, I recommend going for an LCD display if you're really concerned. I went for the S3 myself and, coming from an S1, I know that these phones can last for a long time and withstand quite a lot!
On the other hand, you shouldn't be buying such expensive phones if you're worried!
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Well said, mate. We don't have deals here, either! I hope you won't have any problems! I know that you won't be able to replace/repair/exchange your phone very easily. It's the same with me.
So, I recommend going for an LCD display if you're really concerned. I went for the S3 myself and, coming from an S1, I know that these phones can last for a long time and withstand quite a lot!
On the other hand, you shouldn't be buying such expensive phones if you're worried!
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I really like the phone but this screen burning thing is worring me.
What makes it worse is that some people say that they didn't have a burning issue, and others say that they have this issue in 3 days, one week, 3 months ... (i read this online, and i've never saw any pictures)
Others say that they had their girl friends name burned on the screen because they text a lot.
I don't know what to believe.
delsus said:
I can't really afford an expensive phone every year, so what I have done is get it on a 2 year contract, then as long as I pay my bills on time I should get an easy upgrade to a top end phone after the 2 years, recycle my S3 or sell it on and hopefully get a half decent amount for it (cover my first bill after my upgrade at least)
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Good for you. I believe when you get a 2 year contract at least you can benefit from it, in the end it's a win win for you and you career.
Not in my case, believe me, it is better if i buy the phone my self and use prepay-ed sim card. The contracts in here are just bull****.
Screen brightness degradation is, to some extent, inevitable.
If you are anxious to minimise the speed of degradation, I would make some suggestions from a scientific standpoint:
(1) Use the minimum brightness necessary under any particular conditions. This may mean using manual control rather than "auto". High brightness means high display current and this will "fatigue" the pixels more (as well as draining the battery fast).
Human perception of brightness has a logarithmic relationship with regard to actual intensity, meaning that if it appears (say) just half as bright, then in reality the actual pixel current will be hugely reduced and the stress on the pixels much less.
(2) Keep the phone completely dry. Water is an enemy of some of the chemicals used to make OLED displays. One of the biggest challenges in making reliable OLED displays has been sealing them against moisture.
(3) Don't leave the phone in direct sunlight longer than necessary. User experiences from another thread tend to suggest that sunlight (in fact, probably the UV rays in sunlight) might "bleach" the display active elements to some extent, thereby affecting performance.
one additional thing, blue is the worst color for burn in on amoled screens, .....ironic considering ics colors.....in reality the status bar is the only area you are likely to see it,, my galaxy s is fine after 2 years and good developers still support it
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angie4u said:
4 years... that's veryyy long time in terms of tech age.. since phones and technology are progressing so fast. i have had absolutely no issue with my phone but i've heard rumors here and there. Maybe there's a bad batch that was shipped. But Samsung has a pretty good reputation for reliability and quality.
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I know that 4 years is very long, but that is what i can afford for now and the device have very good specs :
This is phone is a quad quore, 1.4 ghz processor.
1 Gb of ram.
Great GPU.
Great connectivity options (NFC that allows file sharing, Bluetooth 4, direct wifi).
Very good camera for a phone.
I think i'm going to wait until the 15 and see what is the new Samsung device, may be a smartphone with an LCD screen:fingers-crossed:
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I think i'm going to wait until the 15 and see what is the new Samsung device, may be a smartphone with an LCD screen:fingers-crossed:
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Do you know that SuperAMOLED is better than LCD?
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Do you know that SuperAMOLED is better than LCD?
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It is better, because the blacks are deeper, contrast is better.
BUT and big but this degradation problem is messing my head up.
hello,
Me too I was worried about screen burn in, but my gs2 shows no signs of it after 10 months.I hope it will be the same for the gs3.
I think the most important thing is brigthness especially in the beginning of phone's life.The degradation seems to be not constant in time with more degradation potential when the screen is new.My first phone which had an amoled screen was a desire, and I had it constantly on high brigthness, and it showed some burn in in the status bar but with the gs2 i had no problems as I was more careful.
darrkangel said:
Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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I don't know about the US, but contracts in the UK are useless. You'd be better off buying the phone overseas and then getting a prepaid account, preferably from giffgaff, but I digress.
Anyway, on to your problem. The screen burn shouldn't really be an issue if we assume that the S3's screen quality is similar to the Galaxy S'. My original Galaxy S' screen has lasted for two years without any visible decrease in image quality, so it would probably still be very usable after four years, apart from the fact that the Os would be outdated. The S3's screen should be able to last just as long.
Nonetheless, if you're gonna keep your phone for four years, I would suggest going for one which has at least 1.5gb of ram. Ram consumption on ICS has been rather high on my S3 and multitasking can be quite lousy at times.
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Nonetheless, if you're gonna keep your phone for four years, I would suggest going for one which has at least 1.5gb of ram. Ram consumption on ICS has been rather high on my S3 and multitasking can be quite lousy at times.
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For now according to gsmareana there is no phones with a ram > 1 except the S3 in USA (i'm not from usa so i can't use it). and two LG devices and i don't buy LG smartphones.
The question is : is it possible to increase ram on a smartphone, like we do on computers ?
no,the ram cannot be upgraded
Somehow my LCD panel cracked today, split right in half so I no longer have a display. Where can I buy a good quality replacement aside from the probable junk ones from China on ebay?
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Somehow my LCD panel cracked today, split right in half so I no longer have a display. Where can I buy a good quality replacement aside from the probable junk ones from China on ebay?
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I'm not sure why you think it's junk. Almost sure you know very little about the manufacturing process of the so-called "quality" LCDs. Even less about where the "junk" comes from and how it gets into the Chinese hands (Hint: Made in China). Open your device and look for something fabricated elsewhere. There are some stores in the States, but they do not differ in terms of quality because they come from the same source. You can try Asus. But if your original lcd is any indication, it probably came from the same guy in China too. That's why it cracked for no good reason. Your pick. Same lcd from Asus for a premium, from some guy in Ohio for $100.00+, or the vicinity of L.A. for a little more than half of it (stores mostly owned and maintained by- you guessed it - Chinese who call themselves David, Michael, Tom, and even Jerry.
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I'm not sure why you think it's junk. Almost sure you know very little about the manufacturing process of the so-called "quality" LCDs. Even less about where the "junk" comes from and how it gets into the Chinese hands (Hint: Made in China). Open your device and look for something fabricated elsewhere. There are some stores in the States, but they do not differ in terms of quality because they come from the same source. You can try Asus. But if your original lcd is any indication, it probably came from the same guy in China too. That's why it cracked for no good reason. Your pick. Same lcd from Asus for a premium, from some guy in Ohio for $100.00+, or the vicinity of L.A. for a little more than half of it (stores mostly owned and maintained by- you guessed it - Chinese who call themselves David, Michael, Tom, and even Jerry.
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Didn't really appreciate how you subliminally condescended my level of intelligence and the fact that knockoff crap comes from factories overseas every day in an attempt to make a buck compared to products that are made to a higher standard of QC. Regardless, though, the screen (yes, ONE) I found here in America was priced at $220, while the China ones are all between $60 and $90, but for some odd reason every China/Japan seller has their accounts saying that they're all away until Feb 16, 2013. So, I'm in quite a bind... pay $220 for probably the same screen that I can get form China for less than half, or wait 3-6 weeks for a screen from China. Sad part about it is that every China screen I found on EBay all have the exact same description, so it appears to be one seller using multiple accounts. So, it's not like choosing to order from one seller will get the screen faster than choosing it from a different seller. Pretty ugly position I am stuck in, if you ask me.
Bottom line is, I'm sure there are more screen suppliers than the two on EBay. Does anyone have a good source that's sold them quality parts before, that also carries the screen for the TF300T?
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Didn't really appreciate how you subliminally condescended my level of intelligence and the fact that knockoff crap comes from factories overseas every day in an attempt to make a buck compared to products that are made to a higher standard of QC. Regardless, though, the screen (yes, ONE) I found here in America was priced at $220, while the China ones are all between $60 and $90, but for some odd reason every China/Japan seller has their accounts saying that they're all away until Feb 16, 2013. So, I'm in quite a bind... pay $220 for probably the same screen that I can get form China for less than half, or wait 3-6 weeks for a screen from China. Sad part about it is that every China screen I found on EBay all have the exact same description, so it appears to be one seller using multiple accounts. So, it's not like choosing to order from one seller will get the screen faster than choosing it from a different seller. Pretty ugly position I am stuck in, if you ask me.
Bottom line is, I'm sure there are more screen suppliers than the two on EBay. Does anyone have a good source that's sold them quality parts before, that also carries the screen for the TF300T?
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They're closed until Feb 16 due to the lunar new year Festivities. Don't mean to be condescending, neither this nor last time. But you are really poorly informed - which shouldn't be confused with intelligence. Knockoff crap!? I don't think a couple of Chinese peasants can just get together on a whim to set up an lcd factory in their stable so they can export their product overseas and make a little extra. I said what I said 'cause if you get one and look closely at the "Asus" logo on the glass, you'll understand. Here, they sell for 4 times as much because it's legal to gouge the public. Now, shipping time is always less in my experience (10-15 days). They say 3-6 weeks because they don't want to raise false expectations, knowing quite well how "patient" we in the West are. What with all the "time is money" talks, you see what I'm driving at... Laptopscreen.com sells them, but is currently out of stock I think. Plus they charge for shipping.
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They're closed until Feb 16 due to the lunar new year Festivities. Don't mean to be condescending, neither this nor last time. But you are really poorly informed - which shouldn't be confused with intelligence. Knockoff crap!? I don't think a couple of Chinese peasants can just get together on a whim to set up an lcd factory in their stable so they can export their product overseas and make a little extra. I said what I said 'cause if you get one and look closely at the "Asus" logo on the glass, you'll understand. Here, they sell for 4 times as much because it's legal to gouge the public. Now, shipping time is always less in my experience (10-15 days). They say 3-6 weeks because they don't want to raise false expectations, knowing quite well how "patient" we in the West are. What with all the "time is money" talks, you see what I'm driving at... Laptopscreen.com sells them, but is currently out of stock I think. Plus they charge for shipping.
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I found one at a seemingly reasonable price of $99.95 at phonepartsusa.com
checked their reviews around the web and overall customers seem satisfied, so we'll see how it goes.
So, I gutted my tablet to verify that the screen on the site below is the one I need, and boom, its already wrong. The frame holding the screen is different, so I half wonder if the screen will even work in my tablet. Back to hunting! (laptopscreen.com is out of stock as you said they were)
http://phonepartsusa.com/tablets/as...currency=USD&gclid=CLD8qvnanbUCFSOnPAod4X8AKw
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So, I gutted my tablet to verify that the screen on the site below is the one I need, and boom, its already wrong. The frame holding the screen is different, so I half wonder if the screen will even work in my tablet. Back to hunting! (laptopscreen.com is out of stock as you said they were)
http://phonepartsusa.com/tablets/as...currency=USD&gclid=CLD8qvnanbUCFSOnPAod4X8AKw
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I bought one from China to replace mine which cracked upon impact. Works quite well. Not trying to convince you but it's more a question of how you handle the repair than the component itself as no one I know on XDA has had any problem with purchases anywhere, China included. Touchscreen mechanism, yes, but not LCD display. The Touchscreen daughterboard is particularly prone to failure, which leads one to believe it's more how you go about repairing it than the quality of the glass itself. Delicate work, as you can damage any component easily. But good luck (the word "gutted" intrigues me).
Very interesting topic. Care to make a video of the steps taken to replace your screen once you locate one? It would be greatly appreciated. Thx:good: