Hi,
I intend to buy an S3 in two weeks, i've been doing some research on the internet and i found a lot of people talking about screen burns and degradation.
To be honest this phone is very expensive and if i buy it i intend to keep at least for 4 years, so in such a long period will i see a difference in the display?
Do you recommend me to buy this device for the next 4 years or more ?
EDIT : my average using time is 7 hours per day.
The only time I have heard of burn in is on store demo models which are switched on, with the screen on all the time, but it's still not too bad.
4 years you may see some burn in but I think it will be tolerable.
Also keep it in mind that after about 2 years screens should be fairly cheap so if you do see burn in it should be cheap to replace the screen.
If there is burn in during the first 2 years it should be covered under warranty because it's not accidental damage as well.
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4 years is a long time and many many hours of screen use. Honestly... it may degrade slightly but I wouldn't expect to see a change in the screen for a long time.
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darrkangel said:
Hi,
I intend to buy an S3 in two weeks, i've been doing some research on the internet and i found a lot of people talking about screen burns and degradation.
To be honest this phone is very expensive and if i buy it i intend to keep at least for 4 years, so in such a long period will i see a difference in the display?
Do you recommend me to buy this device for the next 4 years or more ?
EDIT : my average using time is 7 hours per day.
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wow 4 years... that's really a long time. :good:
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wow 4 years... that's really a long time. :good:
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Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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I can't really afford an expensive phone every year, so what I have done is get it on a 2 year contract, then as long as I pay my bills on time I should get an easy upgrade to a top end phone after the 2 years, recycle my S3 or sell it on and hopefully get a half decent amount for it (cover my first bill after my upgrade at least)
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Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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Well said, mate. We don't have deals here, either! I hope you won't have any problems! I know that you won't be able to replace/repair/exchange your phone very easily. It's the same with me.
So, I recommend going for an LCD display if you're really concerned. I went for the S3 myself and, coming from an S1, I know that these phones can last for a long time and withstand quite a lot!
On the other hand, you shouldn't be buying such expensive phones if you're worried!
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Well said, mate. We don't have deals here, either! I hope you won't have any problems! I know that you won't be able to replace/repair/exchange your phone very easily. It's the same with me.
So, I recommend going for an LCD display if you're really concerned. I went for the S3 myself and, coming from an S1, I know that these phones can last for a long time and withstand quite a lot!
On the other hand, you shouldn't be buying such expensive phones if you're worried!
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I really like the phone but this screen burning thing is worring me.
What makes it worse is that some people say that they didn't have a burning issue, and others say that they have this issue in 3 days, one week, 3 months ... (i read this online, and i've never saw any pictures)
Others say that they had their girl friends name burned on the screen because they text a lot.
I don't know what to believe.
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I can't really afford an expensive phone every year, so what I have done is get it on a 2 year contract, then as long as I pay my bills on time I should get an easy upgrade to a top end phone after the 2 years, recycle my S3 or sell it on and hopefully get a half decent amount for it (cover my first bill after my upgrade at least)
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Good for you. I believe when you get a 2 year contract at least you can benefit from it, in the end it's a win win for you and you career.
Not in my case, believe me, it is better if i buy the phone my self and use prepay-ed sim card. The contracts in here are just bull****.
Screen brightness degradation is, to some extent, inevitable.
If you are anxious to minimise the speed of degradation, I would make some suggestions from a scientific standpoint:
(1) Use the minimum brightness necessary under any particular conditions. This may mean using manual control rather than "auto". High brightness means high display current and this will "fatigue" the pixels more (as well as draining the battery fast).
Human perception of brightness has a logarithmic relationship with regard to actual intensity, meaning that if it appears (say) just half as bright, then in reality the actual pixel current will be hugely reduced and the stress on the pixels much less.
(2) Keep the phone completely dry. Water is an enemy of some of the chemicals used to make OLED displays. One of the biggest challenges in making reliable OLED displays has been sealing them against moisture.
(3) Don't leave the phone in direct sunlight longer than necessary. User experiences from another thread tend to suggest that sunlight (in fact, probably the UV rays in sunlight) might "bleach" the display active elements to some extent, thereby affecting performance.
one additional thing, blue is the worst color for burn in on amoled screens, .....ironic considering ics colors.....in reality the status bar is the only area you are likely to see it,, my galaxy s is fine after 2 years and good developers still support it
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4 years... that's veryyy long time in terms of tech age.. since phones and technology are progressing so fast. i have had absolutely no issue with my phone but i've heard rumors here and there. Maybe there's a bad batch that was shipped. But Samsung has a pretty good reputation for reliability and quality.
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I know that 4 years is very long, but that is what i can afford for now and the device have very good specs :
This is phone is a quad quore, 1.4 ghz processor.
1 Gb of ram.
Great GPU.
Great connectivity options (NFC that allows file sharing, Bluetooth 4, direct wifi).
Very good camera for a phone.
I think i'm going to wait until the 15 and see what is the new Samsung device, may be a smartphone with an LCD screen:fingers-crossed:
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I think i'm going to wait until the 15 and see what is the new Samsung device, may be a smartphone with an LCD screen:fingers-crossed:
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Do you know that SuperAMOLED is better than LCD?
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Do you know that SuperAMOLED is better than LCD?
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It is better, because the blacks are deeper, contrast is better.
BUT and big but this degradation problem is messing my head up.
hello,
Me too I was worried about screen burn in, but my gs2 shows no signs of it after 10 months.I hope it will be the same for the gs3.
I think the most important thing is brigthness especially in the beginning of phone's life.The degradation seems to be not constant in time with more degradation potential when the screen is new.My first phone which had an amoled screen was a desire, and I had it constantly on high brigthness, and it showed some burn in in the status bar but with the gs2 i had no problems as I was more careful.
darrkangel said:
Not every one is rich, plus in my country careers don't give great deals like you do have in usa.
So that is why i can't just change a so expensive phone in just 1 year.
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I don't know about the US, but contracts in the UK are useless. You'd be better off buying the phone overseas and then getting a prepaid account, preferably from giffgaff, but I digress.
Anyway, on to your problem. The screen burn shouldn't really be an issue if we assume that the S3's screen quality is similar to the Galaxy S'. My original Galaxy S' screen has lasted for two years without any visible decrease in image quality, so it would probably still be very usable after four years, apart from the fact that the Os would be outdated. The S3's screen should be able to last just as long.
Nonetheless, if you're gonna keep your phone for four years, I would suggest going for one which has at least 1.5gb of ram. Ram consumption on ICS has been rather high on my S3 and multitasking can be quite lousy at times.
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Nonetheless, if you're gonna keep your phone for four years, I would suggest going for one which has at least 1.5gb of ram. Ram consumption on ICS has been rather high on my S3 and multitasking can be quite lousy at times.
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For now according to gsmareana there is no phones with a ram > 1 except the S3 in USA (i'm not from usa so i can't use it). and two LG devices and i don't buy LG smartphones.
The question is : is it possible to increase ram on a smartphone, like we do on computers ?
no,the ram cannot be upgraded
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I have been looking to purchase the galaxy s 2 for some time now. I've read about alot of problems with the phone but I played with the at&t version and it is super fast, beautiful screen, perfect size and has a great camera. The biggest thing that's keeping me from purchasing it is the audio quality from the headphones. Is it as good as the Iphone 4 or Zune HD(which is my favorite music player) from your experience? Next, hows the battery life compared to the iphone 4 which has great battery life and the only android phone that matched it from my experience was the nexus one. If I do decide to purchase the galaxy s 2, should I get the international version or the at&t version as Im getting them both off-contract. One more question, what kind of 3g speeds are you guys seeing in NYC with the international version and at&t version? Thanks
Now is not the time to get a Galaxy S II in my opinion. Wait for the Prime to come out and either decide on Prime or 4S
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My brother just told me that he can get the at&t galaxy s 2 for only $430 so I'll just buy it and if I dont like it, I can sell it for 450-500. I'm really hyped for the prime but I dont know when they are gonna release it and I want to get a new phone over my iphone 4. I dont want the 4S as Im kind of bored by IOS and it was barely an upgrade over the Iphone 4 and I was disappointed, but IOS 5 looks nice.
Wait for prime bro'.
And if I was in New York, I'd sold mine to you.
I recommend you to wait mate, there are some problems with galaxy s2 that still has not been corrected (im running 2.3.4 because i havent got an update few weeks ago greater than that on kies).
The biggest problem with this phone is the retarded overheating, it overheats ALOT when recording at 1080p and playing a decent ammount of games, (i experience overheating issues mostly in 3D games like asphalt 5, Motor Academy, dungeons defenders and more. The overheating issue is a huge downside mainly because it cannot let you enjoy your game without feeling that boiling effect on your fingers and the fact that i worry most of the times for it to not melt the circuitry board inside, like it has happened before with other people (ive only read 1 guy having this problem so far).
But there are also other problems, the oled screen still blurrs, its faster than an lcd but blurr is still there, viewing angles shifts hue to a bit of blue, if u put solid colors like pure gray on whole screen, you will notice the color displays with a different contrast on different parts of screen, the camera displays a pink circle on the screen when in medium lighting conditions viewing white walls or other objects that occupies the whole screen.
Speaker quality is average, there might be more but i cant remember them right now.
This is the best phone i know right now but i recommend you to wait for a better one, hopefully without these problems, if u cant wait and rly like oled then this might be the best one so far.
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I recommend you to wait mate, there are some problems with galaxy s2 that still has not been corrected (im running 2.3.4 because i havent got an update few weeks ago greater than that on kies).
The biggest problem with this phone is the retarded overheating, it overheats ALOT when recording at 1080p and playing a decent ammount of games, (i experience overheating issues mostly in 3D games like asphalt 5, Motor Academy, dungeons defenders and more. The overheating issue is a huge downside mainly because it cannot let you enjoy your game without feeling that boiling effect on your fingers and the fact that i worry most of the times for it to not melt the circuitry board inside, like it has happened before with other people (ive only read 1 guy having this problem so far).
But there are also other problems, the oled screen still blurrs, its faster than an lcd but blurr is still there, viewing angles shifts hue to a bit of blue, if u put solid colors like pure gray on whole screen, you will notice the color displays with a different contrast on different parts of screen, the camera displays a pink circle on the screen when in medium lighting conditions viewing white walls or other objects that occupies the whole screen.
Speaker quality is average, there might be more but i cant remember them right now.
This is the best phone i know right now but i recommend you to wait for a better one, hopefully without these problems, if u cant wait and rly like oled then this might be the best one so far.
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WHAT? Dude if you have all those problems then you should return your device and get a replacement because i got none of them. This phone is seriously phone of the year and this is my first samsung device. If sammy keeps this up then i am in for good. And about screen getting real hot... I got that problem in the first weeks but then after an update the problem went away. Using lates villainrom now. But like every other dual-core smartphones the phone gets hot when you use it for a long time... Again this happens to every dual-core smartphones as the cpu uses alot of power. And to the op, I seriously recommend you to get this device, unless you're thinking about getting the prime then you should wait a few more weeks. But i dont think that the prime will be much better then SGS2 except better screen.
Umm i don't think you can call it overheating for the sgs 2. In the sense that it is not overheating, it is simply expending the amount of heat proportionate to the amount of work being done. it's like when you play crisis 2 on your computer, your computer gets really hot right? Well an average computer per say, not a prepped, or modded one.
So like the computer, the sgs 2 is bound to heat up since you are forcing it to perform at such high levels, meaning big 3d games, 1080p, etc. To summarize, with great power comes great heat.
Which brings me to another speculation, how bad will the prime or iphone4s heat up? if the Mali does this bad, I'm wondering how the sgx543 will do since it has atleast twice the performance.
Anyways onto your own matter, I'd rather wait than get a half year old device despite the enormous pros.
The SGS2 is kinda cheap now, and it will be even cheaper when the Prime will be out. This phone has good specs, it won't grow old that fast, so i wouldn't go mental for whatever comes next. Anyway, i'd wait a little if i were you
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Umm i don't think you can call it overheating for the sgs 2. In the sense that it is not overheating, it is simply expending the amount of heat proportionate to the amount of work being done. it's like when you play crisis 2 on your computer, your computer gets really hot right? Well an average computer per say, not a prepped, or modded one.
So like the computer, the sgs 2 is bound to heat up since you are forcing it to perform at such high levels, meaning big 3d games, 1080p, etc. To summarize, with great power comes great heat.
Which brings me to another speculation, how bad will the prime or iphone4s heat up? if the Mali does this bad, I'm wondering how the sgx543 will do since it has atleast twice the performance.
Anyways onto your own matter, I'd rather wait than get a half year old device despite the enormous pros.
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Well then, im not sure what u call melting the circuitry board, but i call it overheating.
as for whoever told me that i should change the phone because someone else got none of those issues, i had changed it 2 times and all 3 i had, had the exact same problems, you probably dont get overheating because you either dont use it for the same apps or games as i do or u have possibly underclocked it or have some sort of battery saving application, or maybe even an unnoficiall firmware, these problems are part of all s2 phones it has been checked plenty of times by plenty of experienced people in this forum, they are nothing new.
PS: i doubt iphone will have such issues, maybe their battery will explode again or maybe it will loose signal if holded with left hand, but i doubt itll have overheating issues, there are some dual cores out there and none have such issue as sgs2 has, it has nothing to do with it beying stressed to much, its either a hardware building fault or a software issue.
The S2 is pure gold still when Prime is out, the phone got no problem at all IF and only IF you follow the root instructions/rom installation instructions step by step, if you forget something, you probably end up with problems. (most forgotten is to install kies drivers or to not shut down kies while flashing with odin).
Prime is gonna be the top phone, so it can be worth wait.. but sure the S2 (2nd best phone by then) will cost about 200 less.
I bought the SC2 right after the iPhone 4s was announced, not regreting, and don't think the the prime will be much better, I probably buy the s3 when it comes out next year.
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Buddy just go for the phone that YOU want...Galaxy S2 is for me a top top phone..dual core gorgeous screen and memory is great....regarding audio i cant find any faults with it..you have different equalizer settings and you can adjust it to your liking....
regarding the overheating issues i have occured them as well when i first got my phone....since ihave rooted it though and have got my custom rom and kernel that i am using that has gone away now and im experiencing great battery life....like the post above the next handset for me will be the s3....
iphone 4s if the screen was a tad bigger i would of gone for that....but as i said if you cant wait for the prime then s2 is the one for you buddy
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Well then, im not sure what u call melting the circuitry board, but i call it overheating.
as for whoever told me that i should change the phone because someone else got none of those issues, i had changed it 2 times and all 3 i had, had the exact same problems, you probably dont get overheating because you either dont use it for the same apps or games as i do or u have possibly underclocked it or have some sort of battery saving application, or maybe even an unnoficiall firmware, these problems are part of all s2 phones it has been checked plenty of times by plenty of experienced people in this forum, they are nothing new.
PS: i doubt iphone will have such issues, maybe their battery will explode again or maybe it will loose signal if holded with left hand, but i doubt itll have overheating issues, there are some dual cores out there and none have such issue as sgs2 has, it has nothing to do with it beying stressed to much, its either a hardware building fault or a software issue.
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Well overheating for me means it is expending so much heat whilst doing so little. Meaning it is heating up even though it is on standby or screen off.
Melting the circuit board I think is natural if you expect it to handle so much. Because when the GPU or processor demands so much power/electricity in proportional to the process, and the process is a big one, then of course it will need a lot of power. And where does the power go? Well the wasted becomes heat. And personally i don't think you can compare other past dual cores as none are nearly as good in architecture as the exynos or in fact perform as close, side from the A5.
And yes I do experience great heat when I play games like dead space, dungeon defenders, and so on. But i expect it since the phone is trying its utmost best to perform. Meaning it is trying its best to play at 60fps or more when it isn't needed. Now a solution maybe to cap the GPU and CPU to only produce frames at say 24fps or so. That may fix "overheating".
Note however that above is sincerely speculation as i have no idea how the SoC operates.
My personal experience after 4 weeks with the S2:
It´s great as a fast multimedia device (great images from Camera, HD Video recording and playback of movies and films, internet browsing), but if you plan to use it MUCH as a phone stay away... speaker quality is quite poor, you may experience trouble with echoes due to failing noise redcution, volume with headset is very low.
Other MAJOR downsides i found, compared to other droid phones:
Wlan signal strength very poor, around 20% lower signal rates that LG Optimus. Also 3G signal strenth is poorer than LG. Really disappointing.
AMOLED display is overrated, colors of images are distorted and very unnatural (reds, blues) compared to standard LCD (i´m a photographer so i know how my images should look).
Ob btw,if you plan to use the S2 as a GPS car navigation device forget it, because the battery will be charged at a max rate of 650 mAH even if your car charger can deliver more - at least with Navigon your battery will drop even when charging! What a joke!
Long story short: don´t buy unless you can get it for under 200 USD.
Nexus Prime. Simple.
Or Nokia WP7 if you can wait.
wait for primee buddy, i'd do it
Might wanna look at this phone. Its has all the latest technology packed into a sexy slim stylish design.
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Sparksltd said:
Might wanna look at this phone. Its has all the latest technology packed into a sexy slim stylish design.
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You're on to something there!
- Also useful for hand to hand combat.
- privacy, no one will be trying to snoop a look at your screen.
- outdoor hobby requirements, you'll never be afraid of doing an army assault course knee deep in mud with it in your pocket.
My sgs2 , while good, isn't great at meeting the above points.
Go with what agrees with you.
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You're on to something there!
- Also useful for hand to hand combat.
- privacy, no one will be trying to snoop a look at your screen.
- outdoor hobby requirements, you'll never be afraid of doing an army assault course knee deep in mud with it in your pocket.
My sgs2 , while good, isn't great at meeting the above points.
Go with what agrees with you.
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Yea I read somewhere it can be used as a baseball bat too. I wish my gs2 could do that . I loose count the amount of times I've left mine at home while out shopping and I've spotted some chavs.
I belive that the nexus Prime will be on pair wih the Galaxy S2
Hello, here is my problem:
I bought the phone used (refurbished) from a second hand store. The phone's exterior is is great condition. There is only one problem: The OLED display is terribly burned! Black screen are washed out with heat marks (inverse burns), and coloured screens are burnt.
The phone probably used to be a display phone for an store somewhere. The blue leds are the worst (yes I know what I am talking about), and the green and red ones are okay. I try not to display any images or colors that have more that 30% blue.
I've been ripped off too. The store has a BS no refund policy that they told me after I bought the phone. I can't do an exchange (partially my fault too, because I was afraid they would give me a worse phone!). I had no idea it was burned until I went home and turned it on. I was planning on returning it, but then did some research about the business.. I will never shop there again
I don't want to the phone replaced unless it is a newer model, or better condition than this one (that I have). And I don't want to go to a third party service, unless they actually know what they are doing. The process of removing the screen is time consuming, and very risky. I don't trust anyone but Samsung at the moment.
So.. I have two options:
a) Don't get the phone repaired, and maybe flash a better Rom on it. This will probably ruin my chances of ever getting my phone fixed by Samsung if I am not careful. Short term satisfaction, until the screen dies out (I hate OLED displays for that reason).
Or
b) Pay Samsung to fix or replace my phone. I have contacted them a month ago, and they said that I could get a repair as long as my phone was not rooted. I have no idea how much it should cost (if you know, please tell me!), or, if it is really worth it. Long term satisfaction, a working screen.
And Im not talking little ghosting burns either. My screen is always a greenish yellow tinge. And I cant look at anything without seeing a burned in screen.
And if they flash at&t ics Rom because I am still on GB, then I will root and flash ShoStock 3 instead.
What should I do? What is your experience? And where (and for how much) will Samsung charge for a screen repair? Thanks.
BTW, I live in Canada. It is unlocked.
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Any other input? Advice? Similar problems?
This will help everyone who has the "burn in issue". This is a awesome phone (not the best, but still great). I think it is worth keeping.
I tried that link you posted. They say that they are selling a OEM LED screen. I find that funny, since that probably isn't real. Probably just a mistake on their part, great price though (considering the type of screen).
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Any other input? Advice? Similar problems?
This will help everyone who has the "burn in issue". This is a awesome phone (not the best, but still great). I think it is worth keeping.
I tried that link you posted. They say that they are selling a OEM LED screen. I find that funny, since that probably isn't real. Probably just a mistake on their part, great price though (considering the type of screen).
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I think you're looking at the wrong thing. It's the LCD/Digitizer and it costs $160 (the whole service).
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I think you're looking at the wrong thing. It's the LCD/Digitizer and it costs $160 (the whole service).
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Sorry, I meant the screen they are supposed to be replacing. They say the replacement is a oem lcd screen, which dosent exist for the i777.
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I think you're looking at the wrong thing. It's the LCD/Digitizer and it costs $160 (the whole service).
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Have you tried this service? Or, someone you know?
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If you are going to replace the screen yourself...and I just did it..not hard at all. Etradesupply.com has the lcd digitizer with front housing for under 120 dollars. It includes capacitive button ribbon as well. Yes this company is in China...but it was recommended by a friend of mine and I am very happy with the product. I replaced my screen very easily. If you go that route it is worth it.
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If you are going to replace the screen yourself...and I just did it..not hard at all. Etradesupply.com has the lcd digitizer with front housing for under 120 dollars. It includes capacitive button ribbon as well. Yes this company is in China...but it was recommended by a friend of mine and I am very happy with the product. I replaced my screen very easily. If you go that route it is worth it.
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I am happy that you found a replacement screen for your device.
But, how long is it going to last? I am surprised that companies are spending money to make OLED (not LCD) displays for phones that are outdated. This phone is maybe two years old now, and if the screen is this burnt out: Is it really worth it? Do I have to keep replacing my screen every 2 years, or, is Samsung going to admit that their samoled, and other OLED technologies are "not ready for long term use because they die too quickly"?
Of course not, they just want your money!
A OLED works almost the opposite way as a LCD does. A LCD must send MORE power to a pixel that is displaying a dark pixel, while a LED display uses less energy to power a dark pixel. Almost like those old CUT monitors, it uses the additive theory of light, versus the LCD subtracting theory of light.
But they still use three color pigments: Red, Green, and Blue.
Someone who claims they are selling a i777 LCD digitizer with bottom button row is a nut ball, or, are false advertising what they are selling. I seem to be finding this problem with every third-party part company that sells parts for the OLED display.
I wish it had a LCD: It would last so much longer. Less heat, less problems, less stress, cheaper parts, and more confidence.
My verdict:
I don't trust myself enough to replace the parts myself. I ruined my iphone 3gs that way, and don't want to ruin this phone. If the phone was cheaper (I was also ripped off for the phone), then I would be slightly less reluctant to do it myself.
I will look into it some more, thanks fro your help.
Any Samsung screen replacements yet?
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My verdict:
I don't trust myself enough to replace the parts myself. I ruined my iphone 3gs that way, and don't want to ruin this phone. If the phone was cheaper (I was also ripped off for the phone), then I would be slightly less reluctant to do it myself.
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Just in this statement you're comparing apples to oranges. There is no comparison,They are not manufactured they same. This device is much much easier to disassemble and reassemble then any I-device. And anyone that has this device, knows that the screen longevity is about two years and that the blues are what burns out the quickest, unfortunately its part of the business world, mass production and cutting overhead.
In my opinion, from just reading your posts you're trying to get a quality device at a minimal cost and now you're going to nickle and dime yourself to death. On top of that, getting aggravated every time you look at your device. Save yourself time, money and aggravation and get a new device...besides.... this one, even though its still a great device and still being supported by great devs is a dinosaur and will in the near future be shelved.
Veni, vidi, vici.
Just my own opinion, but I think they're well aware that their oled displays don't last long. Odds are their thinking is that if your average display lasts between 2-3 years it'll help push you towards another new device. Just something to consider.
I have been looking at the Nexus 4. This phone (I777), is the perfect size phone for me. Not huge, but not small either. I just really hate the OLED. If it were ten years into the future (assuming that the led technology has a longer life span), then I would not be having this problem.
The nexus 4 is slightly bigger than the S2.. I like to buy older phones, because they come at reduced cost. Maybe I will wait for the next nexus to come out, then buy the old or new one.
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I have been looking at the Nexus 4. This phone (I777), is the perfect size phone for me. Not huge, but not small either. I just really hate the OLED. If it were ten years into the future (assuming that the led technology has a longer life span), then I would not be having this problem.
The nexus 4 is slightly bigger than the S2.. I like to buy older phones, because they come at reduced cost. Maybe I will wait for the next nexus to come out, then buy the old or new one.
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Whenever my s2 dies, I'll be getting a nexus device. I love the i777, hopefully it'll last me a couple years....if I don't accidentally destroy it at work lol
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I installed Shostock3 (I dont have warrenty, so no need to go to samsung). I am thinking about ordering a new screen from etradesuppy (or something like that, cant remember the name).
Im sure some of the posters here already knew that! ;P
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I'd like some input if it is worth the switch to the GS5 at this point.
Is it enough of a change to switch now or wait for bigger changes?
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I'd like some input if it is worth the switch to the GS5 at this point.
Is it enough of a change to switch now or wait for bigger changes?
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Wait till the G3 my friend it will blow the competition away
The difference between a phone with a Snapdragon 801 and a Snapdragon 800 is as small as that suggests.
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And the camera and battery life are worse on the S5 then the G2. You'd have to be seriously committed to wanting a MicroSD slot, waterproofing and a few extra MHz to switch...
Still, I suppose screens have reached such ridiculous DPI levels that the PenTile AMOLEDs no longer look like a sack of s**t. Unless you prefer natural colours, that is. Plus, I'd wait 6 months after any new Samsung device has been released before buying one in case they've forgotten how to make eMMC controllers again
wait for bigger changes dude. i would wait for lg g3 or nexus 6.
Anything that the S5 offered that the G2 lack? And off those features, do you really need them?
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And the camera and battery life are worse on the S5 then the G2. You'd have to be seriously committed to wanting a MicroSD slot, waterproofing and a few extra MHz to switch...
Still, I suppose screens have reached such ridiculous DPI levels that the PenTile AMOLEDs no longer look like a sack of s**t. Unless you prefer natural colours, that is. Plus, I'd wait 6 months after any new Samsung device has been released before buying one in case they've forgotten how to make eMMC controllers again
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Actually the battery life has been proven to be better and the Screen is also the best screen out on the market right now accuracy wise, yes the screen is almost perfectly calibrated and the colors are very good. The GPU is also more potent (578mhz over 450mhz). BUT its made by Samsung so it still a piece of s***
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And the camera and battery life are worse on the S5 then the G2. You'd have to be seriously committed to wanting a MicroSD slot, waterproofing and a few extra MHz to switch...
Still, I suppose screens have reached such ridiculous DPI levels that the PenTile AMOLEDs no longer look like a sack of s**t. Unless you prefer natural colours, that is. Plus, I'd wait 6 months after any new Samsung device has been released before buying one in case they've forgotten how to make eMMC controllers again
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You do know that your posts is full of innacuracies and regurgitated fan ? crap? You're wrong pretty much on all points.
I for one am sticking to g2 for a time being and cost versus benefits ratio is definitely in g2 favor.
On grey market in Canada for brand new in the box, it is $400 cash for g2 vs $800 with taxes from provider for sgs5.
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the camera on the g2 is a hit and miss piece of dung. It is by far the most inconsistent camera ive ever used on a smart phone. In a low light shoot out my lumia 920/iphone5s/then g2. and in decent light it is still a fuzzy grainy noisy phone but when the light is optimal its wonderful. the gs5 is similar in terms of camera performence except the shutter is almost instant like on the iphone 5s. the g2 takes way too long to focus and shoot.plus the s5 is water resistant . personally id wait another month and see what the G3 is all about. thats what im doing.
Wait and see. I'd call the S5 and the G2 too close to call, as they each have their own strengths.
The G3 sounds like it'll be better than the S5, thus the wait and see approach...
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i'd wait AT LEAST till they drop this Knox"feature", was one reason for me to leave Samsung's behind...
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You do know that your posts is full of innacuracies and regurgitated fan �� crap? You're wrong pretty much on all points.
I for one am sticking to g2 for a time being and cost versus benefits ratio is definitely in g2 favor.
On grey market in Canada for brand new in the box, it is $400 cash for g2 vs $800 with taxes from provider for sgs5.
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Really? So I'm imagining my friends' (often repeatedly) bricked S3s and Note 2s? I'm imagining that all the comparison shots I've seen (especially low light) make the G2 camera with its OIS look better than the S5? I'm imagining that even though Samsung released kernel patches for the broken ERASE/DISCARD on S2/S3/Note/Note2 eMMC (not to mention other manufacturer's devices that also used f**ed Sammy eMMC), the performance of those devices now sucks in comparison to other Android hardware running TRIM enabled Android? I'm imagining that the S5 has a smaller capacity battery and I get 7-8 hours SOT out of the G2 running PA4 beta4? Oh, and AMOLEDs - even if you can't see the subpixels, they've finally decided to stop calibrating them to a cartoon colour space, and you can read them outdoors: I've seen myself that even the panel on the S5 suffers from wild differences in colour temperature at different brightness levels and I see no evidence that it won't be subject to the rapid decay that is AFAIK inherent to their manufacture at the moment, the display on my S2 looks crap now. Its gone purple. And the device has hardly been used.
And finally, I'm imagining the fact that my girlfriends old S2, which we replaced with a Nexus 4 after 6 months because it was so crap is the most unstable POS with the worst battery life of any Android device I've ever had the misfortune to own, regardless of what it was running?
GPL compliance? Bootloader security? Any other reasons to hate Samsung required? They're a blight on the face of the Android ecosystem.
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the camera on the g2 is a hit and miss piece of dung. It is by far the most inconsistent camera ive ever used on a smart phone. In a low light shoot out my lumia 920/iphone5s/then g2. and in decent light it is still a fuzzy grainy noisy phone but when the light is optimal its wonderful. the gs5 is similar in terms of camera performence except the shutter is almost instant like on the iphone 5s. the g2 takes way too long to focus and shoot.plus the s5 is water resistant . personally id wait another month and see what the G3 is all about. thats what im doing.
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Stock camera? Xdabbabs camera is a work at art. Just saying... I can't take a bad photo now.
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Really? So I'm imagining my friends' (often repeatedly) bricked S3s and Note 2s? I'm imagining that all the comparison shots I've seen (especially low light) make the G2 camera with its OIS look better than the S5? I'm imagining that even though Samsung released kernel patches for the broken ERASE/DISCARD on S2/S3/Note/Note2 eMMC (not to mention other manufacturer's devices that also used f**ed Sammy eMMC), the performance of those devices now sucks in comparison to other Android hardware running TRIM enabled Android? I'm imagining that the S5 has a smaller capacity battery and I get 7-8 hours SOT out of the G2 running PA4 beta4? Oh, and AMOLEDs - even if you can't see the subpixels, they've finally decided to stop calibrating them to a cartoon colour space, and you can read them outdoors: I've seen myself that even the panel on the S5 suffers from wild differences in colour temperature at different brightness levels and I see no evidence that it won't be subject to the rapid decay that is AFAIK inherent to their manufacture at the moment, the display on my S2 looks crap now. Its gone purple. And the device has hardly been used.
And finally, I'm imagining the fact that my girlfriends old S2, which we replaced with a Nexus 4 after 6 months because it was so crap is the most unstable POS with the worst battery life of any Android device I've ever had the misfortune to own, regardless of what it was running?
GPL compliance? Bootloader security? Any other reasons to hate Samsung required? They're a blight on the face of the Android ecosystem.
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I see that indeed you have strong feelings on the subject, and I can go with you, toe to toe, on all points, but I won't. You're just too much all over the place with your arguments, and sufficiently off topic, to make it really not worthwhile discussing this further. Salutations! ?
I stand by my original post.
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changing from G2 to galaxy s5 is not an upgrade. some things like battery and screen are outright downgrade. some other things like fingerprint scanner/heartrate monitor are an upgrade.
The key thing is: you have to decide what factors you personally prioritise. If fingerprint scanner is more important for you than good battery life, go for the S5. Otherwise dont "upgrade".
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I see that indeed you have strong feelings on the subject, and I can go with you, toe to toe, on all points, but I won't. You're just too much all over the place with your arguments, and sufficiently off topic, to make it really not worthwhile discussing this further. Salutations! ��
I stand by my original post.
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So we can summarise this interaction with the following:
'You are wrong'
'Am I? Because my experience and evidence, while largely anecdotal, suggests very much the opposite.'
'I have no counterargument, you are wrong because I say you are and I know best'
Well, that was a waste of time.
Anyway, I hope you have a lovely day too! :highfive:
Edit: But to clarify, you're disputing that there was a widespread issue with bricked S2s, S3s, Notes and Note 2s due to faulty eMMC? You're disputing that the brightness of subpixels in AMOLED displays decay quite noticeably and at a different rate by colour (which is why they're PenTile in the first place) within the typical usage span of a mobile device equipped with one (say 2 years?) You're disputing that the CM device maintainers for Exynos devices threatened to quit/did quit over Samsung's delayed and dysfunctional kernel source dumps? Because I assure you, all of those are FACTS. Not all totally relevant to the S5, but factual. They've proven they have reckless disregard for their customers and go out of their way to make things difficult for the kind of people who hang out here on XDA.
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So we can summarise this interaction with the following:
'You are wrong'
'Am I? Because my experience and evidence, while largely anecdotal, suggests very much the opposite.'
'I have no counterargument, you are wrong because I say you are and I know best'
Well, that was a waste of time.
Anyway, I hope you have a lovely day too! :highfive:
Edit: But to clarify, you're disputing that there was a widespread issue with bricked S2s, S3s, Notes and Note 2s due to faulty eMMC? You're disputing that the brightness of subpixels in AMOLED displays decay quite noticeably and at a different rate by colour (which is why they're PenTile in the first place) within the typical usage span of a mobile device equipped with one (say 2 years?) You're disputing that the CM device maintainers for Exynos devices threatened to quit/did quit over Samsung's delayed and dysfunctional kernel source dumps? Because I assure you, all of those are FACTS. Not all totally relevant to the S5, but factual. They've proven they have reckless disregard for their customers and go out of their way to make things difficult for the kind of people who hang out here on XDA.
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And youre digressing thus not helping the OP
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I do not own the S5, but tinkered with one a bit on the day of release. I am sure in some respects the S5 is an upgrade to the G2. I hear the camera is better than the stock G2 camera. Battery life is also improved. The thing is, the battery life on my G2 is soo good ( and so much better than the S4 that I had previously) that I cannot imagine the S5 offering me a noticeable improvement. As for the camera, since I started using modded cameras (Jinsu or Xdabbeb) I have not had any issues. The stock camera had some issues (like the long delay before shooting and i think low-light performance). I think the two phones are so close, that you may be better off waiting a few weeks to see what the G3 has to offer.
I returned my s5 after 7 hours. the camera is garbage. the phone got as hot as the s4 did. the screen while nice, did not match the accuracy and whites of the g2. it had crappy build quality bc it has the body shifting issue my s3 had, where the battery didn't fit right in the cavity and would move inside that cavity and made the phone twist and crack everytime you picked it up.
I stuck to my g2 and I'll wait for the g3.
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I tried an s5 at an att store yesterday and I like the feel of the device better than the g2 and the camera was great. It was super fast and took insanely sharp images. Low light wasn't good. The screen is gorgeous the weight is good. Its not a great leap over the g2 but it is a nice device. The g3 is rumored to have a very high resolution screen which is useless . hopefully they fix the bad camera. All LG has to do is water proof , fix the camera low light and noise issues and possible up the battery to 3400. That would be golden
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Heard that amoled pixels die over long usage . Samsung stopped production of super amoled "plus" displays due to some serious problems. So, if amoleds die fast, amoled pluses die even faster ?
I am planning to buy a used S2, so shall I buy it ? Any real problems related to displays ? Anyone actually experienced such problems in S2 ? If a buy an S2 now , will its display last for next four years ? till 2018 ? Funny , but I am serious.
Will the pixels in S2 die ? and the screen will become black at some minute portions ?
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Please help.
I personally wouldn't buy a 2nd hand S2. Expecting a phone that's already been used for up to 3 yrs to last another 4 yrs is expecting too much. We see more & more devices with faults nowadays (which is normal for any electronic device with age really), you're almost certain to have some kind of hardware issue(s) at some point. Plus you more than likely have no idea of the 'history' of the phone (what's gone wrong with it up until now).
For me, that would be a no go unless I either got it for free or really cheap (like AUD$25, tops). The only really cheap repair you can do yourself is the USB board which is about 10 bucks, anything else starts to become expensive, like the screen or motherboard, which can as much as or more than what you pay for the phone (depending on how much you pay, obviously). You'd be better off getting something newer/2nd hand.
If you can't afford that, you're going to have to decide whether to take the chance or not, and nobody here can tell you with any certainty how long the phone will last before developing faults (despite what they may tell you; anything people here do say is guessing/bull****), I mean, we've seen phones a few weeks old with faults, and some people have had their phones 2/3 yrs without having anything go wrong hardware-wise. It's the luck of the draw, as the saying goes.
To check if that display is heavily used,open a pure grey,white or blue image in full screen at lowest brightness and look for strange lines,stripes,patches,burn-ins,tints,uneven brightness and so on...everything that shouldn't be there.If everything's fine - you're good to go.IMO,if you'll take it,the only thing you might notice in another few years will/may be a slightly reduced max brightness and a little less blue push,but I guess you already know all this stuff,it seems you own a similar amoled-powered device.
for those who got the phone already (lucky), any issues so far to be aware of and test once our beloved phones arrive?
high price, large phone size, finger reader on the back, battery size - does not count!
I have only had 1 issue with an app. Storm Radar from the weather channel. Randomly crashes.
Nothing big but.. Samsung pay for some..... key word some carriers like sprint had issue starting it up.. You can google if that's resolved
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Nothing big but.. Samsung pay for some..... key word some carriers like sprint had issue starting it up.. You can google if that's resolved
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I received an APP update that resolved my Samsung Pay issue of not connecting.
One week in and no issues yet. Wish the battery was bigger. Lol. C
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for those who got the phone already (lucky), any issues so far to be aware of and test once our beloved phones arrive?
high price, large phone size, finger reader on the back, battery size - does not count!
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I strongly suggest you don't read the threads in this forum. If you do you would either cancel or laugh depending on your IQ!
Samsung have made tens of millions of mobile phones if not billions. They have a very solid reputation now and IF they make a mistake they own up to it.
ALL and EVERY mobile we buy will have lemons I am certain that following last years little upset, cough cough, Samsung will have done everything in their power to insure the Note 8 is a wonderful device that we will all be proud to own and the envy of all fruity brand owners.
I find in life if we look under the sofa we WILL find dust?
Enjoy your Note 8 it will be fine.
Ryland
not problems here. All works great on my tmobile model.
No issues here. I LOVE this device! Everything from the box to using the phone for a while now, just wonderful! The quality is leaps and bounds better than its predecessors.
1st problem is getting the phone.
2nd is light leaks from screen
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I'm on Sprint. LTE issues which were not present on my a8 plus in the same area. And My youtube app does not show the crop to fit icon at all. Did a factory reset from settings and recovery. Still no icon. Anyone else?
It charges slowly but I just assume it's them being overly cautious same with the smaller battery. The photos in low/no light have a lot of noise but most people won't be using it like that without a flash anyway. Bixby was till I found out how to make her respond to things it hears with smart ass comments, now I enjoy it. It's a good phone overall and most is just nitpicking at things.
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One week in and no issues yet. Wish the battery was bigger. Lol. C
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what performance are you seeing? Big screen, small battery concerns. here....
After a week it should have settled and built up its stamina.
Agreed. Though for me it charges pretty quickly. Maybe I forgot how fast the 7 was after a year with the iPhone which was glacial.
Also, low light isn't horrible if you even have an offset light source. I've been happily surprised with that.
I definitely have no huge complaints. The battery life could be better but I use my phone a lot.
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Samsung have made tens of millions of mobile phones if not billions. They have a very solid reputation now
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that was obvious last year with the note 7.1 recall and then exactly the same problem with version 7.2 lol.....they clearly took a huge hit on this. Trust is a strong word to place on a firm that failed ....twice. Personally I don't believe there was a massive problem but the market deemed it as catastrophic...
I wonder how many in total went pop compared to apple or any other device using lithium ion batteries!
My neighbour has/had a robot mower that caught fire in the summer ..... LI batteries are fragile but I still wonder why Samsung plays it so safe with a titchy battery when plenty of other phones (much cheaper too) use larger batteries without problems.
My problem with N8 is I can't get the grin off my face since I got it and look like a retard, not tough businessman I pretend to be.
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that was obvious last year with the note 7.1 recall and then exactly the same problem with version 7.2 lol.....they clearly took a huge hit on this. Trust is a strong word to place on a firm that failed ....twice. Personally I don't believe there was a massive problem but the market deemed it as catastrophic...
I wonder how many in total went pop compared to apple or any other device using lithium ion batteries!
My neighbour has/had a robot mower that caught fire in the summer ..... LI batteries are fragile but I still wonder why Samsung plays it so safe with a titchy battery when plenty of other phones (much cheaper too) use larger batteries without problems.
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You are agreeing and disagreeing with me in the same post?
"A firm that failed twice". I bought both those note 7's and it was an upsetting time. I hardly think ?200? mobiles going pop out of the number Samsung has made makes Samsung a risk? After you mention the Note 7 situation you then write the same yourself.
If you view the YouTube clips on battery you will see the Note 8 does better than my present SGS8+.
Have you seen the schematics for the Note 8? You can't get a pin inside because its the S-pen that takes a lot off space. The Note 8 has had one hell of a bashing because of its size as it is. I find that absurd as by nature, from the Note 1, They have been the larger versions of their siblings, the S range.
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You are agreeing and disagreeing with me in the same post?
"A firm that failed twice". I bought both those note 7's and it was an upsetting time. I hardly think ?200? mobiles going pop out of the number Samsung has made makes Samsung a risk? After you mention the Note 7 situation you then write the same yourself.
If you view the YouTube clips on battery you will see the Note 8 does better than my present SGS8+.
Have you seen the schematics for the Note 8? You can't get a pin inside because its the S-pen that takes a lot off space. The Note 8 has had one hell of a bashing because of its size as it is. I find that absurd as by nature, from the Note 1, They have been the larger versions of their siblings, the S range.
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I didn't say I saw Samsung as a risk but the media and the market response did (and boringly they still start any Note 8 reviews with "following the firestarter note 7..." yawn. Maybe they will give this up in a couple of years time! :silly: I guess to recover buyers confidence that is why the battery size has shrunk. I don't see this as necessary and I'd rather the phone was a fraction a of mm thicker to allow for a sensible sized battery. Plenty cram in a good size so for a firm like Sammy its not really an unworkable challenge.
I'm not bothered about an S8+ comparison - if anything it makes me worry that the smaller battery and bigger screen will result in a diminished battery after a relatively short life or even make 18hrs of use. I could finish off the S8+ within 15hrs. through relatively normal use....
Hence asking the question!
I haven't ordered one (yet) as don't need the Dex thing (especially if it takes up to 60 days to order and received - thats terrible). I'll see how real life reviews pan out over the next week or so and order one then hopefully discounted a smidge (already available from amazon at £844 and Very discounted by £86 for a credit arrangement - easily cancelled after a free period).
Keep bugs and reviews coming ...
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Agreed. Though for me it charges pretty quickly. Maybe I forgot how fast the 7 was after a year with the iPhone which was glacial.
Also, low light isn't horrible if you even have an offset light source. I've been happily surprised with that.
I definitely have no huge complaints. The battery life could be better but I use my phone a lot.
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If you can post a photo of yours in low/no light, I am really thinking something is off with the camera. I reset the settings just to be sure but the photo clearly has sizable amounts of noise.
I'm thinking it's not a great example because this one does have a lot of noise up close. The thing you completely can't tell is just how dark it was. The light source that shows obvious here was a very weak lamp. Also, no flash. It's obviously some post processing so I expect some noise, the question is could I get a shot in those conditions at all?
So not a great example but not seeable with my iPhone (which has an amazing camera too), so I was impressed. I'll try to get some better ones with comparison later.
https://i.imgur.com/ErCZgWD.jpg
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Same problem here
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I'm on Sprint. LTE issues which were not present on my a8 plus in the same area. And My youtube app does not show the crop to fit icon at all. Did a factory reset from settings and recovery. Still no icon. Anyone else?
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I'm on Verizon and I also don't show the crop to fit screen in you tube... we need to find a fix. Very annoying.