I understand this is not the most appropriate place to post this, but I'm sure many of you have experienced the Samsung Repair Service Centre (I would post this in a Samsung sub-forum but I couldn't find one) and you will be able to give me some advice.
So, if you want the whole story of how my phone got broke, read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...5#post28416155
In short, I completely broke my Samsung Galaxy Ace plus the day after I took it out of the box. It's seemingly 100% bricked (literally no sign of life, no lights no screen no sound, nothing).
I phoned Samsung up a couple days later (after nobody replied to my emails) and I organised it to be repaired.
It's been 11 days since I sent it back.
I phoned on the 7th day to ask if it had even got there because there were no updates on my samsung product repair status page since the day I first phoned them up. I also asked if the address I was given was right (Just put on envelope "FREEPOST SAMAN REP", that was it) because it sounded invalid.
I gave them the IMEI and was told that it had reached them. I said thank you and goodbye.
Yesterday, my product repair status had finally updated to : Cancelled by ASC Non Defect (Working properly)
I rang up again.
I was on the phone for 10 minutes with this guy and he told me that they had no record of my phone arriving. He handed me on to his supervisor who I spoke to for a further 20 minutes.
She confirmed that it had not reached them yet or it had been improperly logged or it was lost in the mail.
I sent her a copy of my proof of postage through email in case it was the latter, so they could "organize something for me if it comes to the worst case scenario"
Knowing their reply rate to my emails, I doubt they'll even see it.
So, I sent off my broken phone to them like they told me to, and now they've lost it... or the address they gave me was indeed wrong like I originally expected, however it has not been sent to the return address after 10 days. I doubt the Post Office is at any fault here.
I understand how at the beginning of this mess I was at fault. I made my phone faulty through my own carelessness...
However, since then I feel like there's been an awful lot more Samsung carelessness. And it sounds like if they don't find my phone they won't even replace it, otherwise the woman over the phone wouldn't have been so ambiguous. The way she said it I expected nothing more than book voucher in return for all my trouble and their incompetence.
It's very troubling to think that my £166 may have only bought me just 1 day of pleasure and many weeks of distress.
Anyway, I'm hoping I can make the best out of a bad situation.
I have very little respect for these types of companies, and I have no problem in wrangling out a few pounds from them when they have wronged me. If this doesn't get resolved soon, I'm very tempted to go to Samsung UK directly and ask politely but firmly for a little compensation for all this crap. Maybe one of those Galaxy S3s.
Me and my Dad have been able to get similar compensations for bad service through a letter and a phone call before.
Maybe I can do something similar here.
Does anybody have any helpful advice?
Well......in short you do have the right to sue them.....
But then , you shouldn't have sent it through postage , but to the Service Centre
"I have to go. It's just....they really need me." - Sora
Perhaps you can sue them,If you have a written proof that samsung gave you wrong address..Sue those darned idiots mate.I will wish for your succesz
Ya...Sue them...Don't they even know to take care of a phone?
Is it me or Samsung really has problems with service, ok I understand, that in my country those are the sellers who do warranty repairs, but that makes Samsung look bad? Today I have called my sellers HQ, none answered, then I tried to skype, still no answer.
100% sue them...it clearly you have the right
Okay, I get the overwhelming impression that you all think I should sue them...
I have never sued anybody, neither have I tried. I imagine it's a little easier said than done
In the past though, I have found that the threat of legal action from similar situations gets results.
Shall I just write a letter to Samsung HQ in Surrey describing their problem with the threat of legal action if I don't get fully refunded and compensated?
Would it be so bad to ask for a Galaxy S III? Drafting the letter in my head, it seems a bit weedy if I tag along the sentence, "and in return for my troubles I'd like a Galaxy S III please, otherwise I will sue you!!!" It would just sound like an opportunist geek trying to get the phone that all his friends have.
However I can imagine they'd be more willing to send me a free and superior phone than to write me a cheque of x amount of £.
The only problem is, there's still the possibility that it might genuinely be lost in the mail through no fault of their own... seems very unlikely, but it's arguable.
Shall I wait a bit longer before I write a letter?
It's 12 days since I posted it. On the 15th day I should assume it has been lost in the mail and Samsung will "sort me out with something".
Further thoughts please.
Thanks for all the replies so far
You don't give a location, but I am guessing you are in UK. I was unable to follow the link to your original thread, but if you put a return address label on the package I would have thought that it would have been returned to you by now or it is at your local sorting/Post office.
Have you checked with them?
My suggestion would be to follow up your recent phone conversation with a letter to Samsung Customer Services in Gateshead and send a cc to the HQ in Surrey. Send both by recorded delivery, so that you have some kind of proof of delivery/receipt. In my experience, although not with Samsung, reason and facts can get better results than threats, you can keep the option of legal action if you get no satisfaction.
Give details of what has happened so far. (omitting the bit about how your phone was bricked! )
Try to give times and dates, what you discussed and, if possible, who you spoke to. Attach a copy of your proof of posting (but dont send original), copies of emails etc
Ask them what they are going to do now, tell them what you would like to see as the outcome of this situation. A phone and some kind of compensation for the inconvenience/phone calls/wasted time, I would guess? Give them a date by which you would like a reply, 14 or so days.
Best of luck.
That's just the kind of advice I was looking for.
Thanks Angewg, your help is very much appreciated
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I understand this is not the most appropriate place to post this, but I'm sure many of you have experienced the Samsung Repair Service Centre (I would post this in a Samsung sub-forum but I couldn't find one) and you will be able to give me some advice.
So, if you want the whole story of how my phone got broke, read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...5#post28416155
In short, I completely broke my Samsung Galaxy Ace plus the day after I took it out of the box. It's seemingly 100% bricked (literally no sign of life, no lights no screen no sound, nothing).
I phoned Samsung up a couple days later (after nobody replied to my emails) and I organised it to be repaired.
It's been 11 days since I sent it back.
I phoned on the 7th day to ask if it had even got there because there were no updates on my samsung product repair status page since the day I first phoned them up. I also asked if the address I was given was right (Just put on envelope "FREEPOST SAMAN REP", that was it) because it sounded invalid.
I gave them the IMEI and was told that it had reached them. I said thank you and goodbye.
Yesterday, my product repair status had finally updated to : Cancelled by ASCNon Defect (Working properly)
I rang up again.
I was on the phone for 10 minutes with this guy and he told me that they had no record of my phone arriving. He handed me on to his supervisor who I spoke to for a further 20 minutes.
She confirmed that it had not reached them yet or it had been improperly logged or it was lost in the mail.
I sent her a copy of my proof of postage through email in case it was the latter, so they could "organize something for me if it comes to the worst case scenario"
Knowing their reply rate to my emails, I doubt they'll even see it.
So, I sent off my broken phone to them like they told me to, and now they've lost it... or the address they gave me was indeed wrong like I originally expected, however it has not been sent to the return address after 10 days. I doubt the Post Office is at any fault here.
I understand how at the beginning of this mess I was at fault. I made my phone faulty through my own carelessness...
However, since then I feel like there's been an awful lot more Samsung carelessness. And it sounds like if they don't find my phone they won't even replace it, otherwise the woman over the phone wouldn't have been so ambiguous. The way she said it I expected nothing more than book voucher in return for all my trouble and their incompetence.
It's very troubling to think that my £166 may have only bought me just 1 day of pleasure and many weeks of distress.
Anyway, I'm hoping I can make the best out of a bad situation.
I have very little respect for these types of companies, and I have no problem in wrangling out a few pounds from them when they have wronged me. If this doesn't get resolved soon, I'm very tempted to go to Samsung UK directly and ask politely but firmly for a little compensation for all this crap. Maybe one of those Galaxy S3s.
Me and my Dad have been able to get similar compensations for bad service through a letter and a phone call before.
Maybe I can do something similar here.
Does anybody have any helpful advice?
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Since your in the UK (yay!) you can take them to a small claims court. Also check out the amazing Martin Lewis MoneySavingExpert website. It explains your rights as a consumer.
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I'm very tempted to go to Samsung UK directly and ask politely but firmly for a little compensation for all this crap. Maybe one of those Galaxy S3s.
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Drafting the letter in my head, it seems a bit weedy if I tag along the sentence, "and in return for my troubles I'd like a Galaxy S III please, otherwise I will sue you!!!" It would just sound like an opportunist geek trying to get the phone that all his friends have.
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even though i really understand your feelings and frustration i wasnt able to stop my slef from laughing lol... anyways i guess you shoud do as "Angewg" said .. talk.to the right and higher authority in Samsung first and keep the threat at court part for the end or if i may say you can argue first and threat/sue later on .... but you cant threat/sue first and then try to argue ... always play the "BIGGEST CARD/ACE" in the end .... good luck and do let us know what happened in the end .... if they gave you an S III too lol
even though i really understand your feelings and frustration i wasnt able to stop my slef from laughing lol... anyways i guess you shoud do as "Angewg" said .. talk.to the right and higher authority in Samsung first and keep the threat at court part for the end or if i may say you can argue first and threat/sue later on .... but you cant threat/sue first and then try to argue ... always play the "BIGGEST CARD/ACE" in the end .... good luck and do let us know what happened in the end .... if they gave you an S III too lol
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My objective is not to get a Samsung Galaxy S III per se, but my thought was that I deserve not just my phone back but a little compensation. And I feel like it might be a stretch to ask for straight up money. So what could I realistically ask for? A superior phone. S III was the first that came to mind, and I think I am right in thinking it's the best smart phone that Samsung are producing right now.
I'll write the letter today. Thanks again everybody
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My objective is not to get a Samsung Galaxy S III per se, but my thought was that I deserve not just my phone back but a little compensation. And I feel like it might be a stretch to ask for straight up money. So what could I realistically ask for? A superior phone. S III was the first that came to mind, and I think I am right in thinking it's the best smart phone that Samsung are producing right now.
I'll write the letter today. Thanks again everybody
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I think the £400+ price difference between the two models makes it a bit of a stretch!
You could try asking for
a replacement phone with either a higher specification or a more recent model bearing in mind the inconvenience all this has caused you.
The ball is then in their court.
It might be a stretch... but not as much as a stretch as you suggest. I've just checked and the price difference is actually about £270.
I could argue that the trouble this has caused is about £270... Maybe?
I'll be phoning up the call centre at around 2 PM, explaining all this crap once again (taking names this time), and once and for all asking what's happened and what they are willing to do to help me, because this phone has well and truly been lost IMO.
Yeah there in the wrong but,
Am I the only person the doesn't like the American sueing thing. I just think that people make mistakes. Never see the need to sue anyone.
I thought most people in Britain thought the same way.
Sent from my GALAXY Ace.
I'm pissed off. Here's why:
I've just posted an extremely detailed letter explaining everything, along with copies of emails, pictures, screenshots, etc.
It took ages to write and compile all of this together.
I showed it to my Dad (who is well educated on legal matters such as this) and he told me it was a brilliant letter.
I wrote it on Friday, but didn't want to post it before checking that it was okay with my Dad, so that meant I had to wait til Monday.
At the end of the letter I requested a superior replacement phone as recompense (Galaxy S III), but if they didn't resolve the matter or they didn't reply within 14 days I'd take legal action as they were in violation of my consumer rights.
After posting this letter, I was told by a family member to try phoning the customer service 1 more time.
So I did, and then I was passed around several times between different operators, but I was eventually told this:
My phone was in repair and I should have it back shortly. I think they said 7 days, which would make the entire process a total of 25 days.
I was given the repair centre's phone number so I can track the progress.
So, it actually looks like I will be receiving a phone back...
This doesn't actually please me. I've been under the assumption the last few days that I have a very solid case against Samsung.
I believe that on receiving my letter I may just get what I want.
Would a company like Samsung prefer I took them to a claims court? I doubt it. I think they would probably sort me out with what I wanted before it would get to that.
But now that my phone is apparently safe and sound on its way back soon, I doubt my letter will be taken very seriously.
If they don't look into it and just throw a phone my way willy nilly, then I'd be very surprised, and i don't really consider that a possibility.
Now all I've got to complain about is the massive repair time and the time I've wasted on phone calls, research, emails and one long-ass letter.
In my eyes I still deserve compensation for this, and I probably still could say that I will consider legal action if they don't compensate me in some way, but the lack of a phone sure made it a lot easier to argue my case.
I'll report back in a few days.
Imo, too stupid samsung solve this problem at the court. They can replace your unit than repair because unit defects, in 5 minutes at samsung store.
Just got a phone call this morning. I should have my phone back before the end of the week.
This sucks. I bet they're not going to acknowledge my letter and I'm just gonna have to let all this **** go.
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Just got a phone call this morning. I should have my phone back before the end of the week.
This sucks. I bet they're not going to acknowledge my letter and I'm just gonna have to let all this **** go.
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Ask for compensation from them.
It's Monday, I haven't received a repaired phone, I haven't got a phone call, I haven't received a written reply.
Nothing.
I hate this.
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fluffcat1,
I told you I would run into you again...
Anyone looking to buy parts for your phone DONT deal with Richard...
([email protected])
We conducted a paypal transaction on May 2... and after 1.5 months and some nasty emails I am out of 25GBP... and still have NOT received my camera and back case as promised in the transaction....
I submitted a complaint on Paypal... He emailed me saying that he was upset with me and that if I closed the case he would ship the items... so I did and he did NOt ship anything...
Very clever on his part... since now I can not go back to Paypal and open the claim again...
Note to anyone buying using paypal... If you have a complaint open... DO NOT close it until you are completely satisfied... with the outcome...
Once you close a case you can not open it...
Any Way... just wanted to warn everyone... looking to buy parts for their phones... Richard([email protected]) is a CROOK.
Concep86
And dangerous too :?: :twisted: :evil:
I've replied to all your messages so far and the package was sent insured so as per my last email I can send the proof of postage on to you as according to the royalmail it was succesfully handed to USPS. You are the one who takes weeks and in one case over a month to reply to emails....
The only nasty email I received was your filing the paypal complaint within 7 days of payment as I didn't reply to your email within the 2 days you requested. As it put the funds on hold of course I'd want them releasing before postage! And I don't post international items every day, I wait until I have a few to send as it's a special trip to the P.O to send them rather than going in my normal post collection, as well as filling out customs paperwork and insurance.
My ebay feedback of 1700+ should speak for itself. I'm really going to try and rip someone off over £25 with a turnover of £6k p/m.....
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=fluffcat1&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS
THINGS DO GO MISSING. In the UK I loose approx 3% of items sent but always manage to claim back from the royalmail as they are INSURED like all my items are. Sometimes it takes 3 or 4 weeks, sometimes longer, but the do pay up. Minus postage costs though :-(
I post approx 50 items per week! I loose about 2! That sort of thing happens, and I'm actually better statistically for postage losses than the UK as a whole.
Now, if you want to do this in public, fine, I'll post the ref here and you can contact USPS on your own, or you can apologize and I'll look into claiming from this end and send you another set.
Lots of people here have bought from me and received their goods fine. Be careful how you slander me in a public forum where posting IP addresses are logged for all users...
Richard
ok... then this is a big misunderstanding....
I still have NOT recevied my items... nor an email from you as to what is happening...
I do not know you other than through our correspondence which has been very one sided...
So what am i to think...
history...on emails...
3/24 inquired into camera and back case...
4/28 apologized for not following up on purchase... as I stated I was called away... shortly after the initial inquiry.
4/28 made payment in error... 25 Us vs 25 GBP... waited for initial payment to be credited back to my account... which you denied payment on... thnak you
5/7 made correct payment via paypal... asked for email confirmation of date shipped with payment.
5/13 had not received a response on my email... so I emailed asking for an update.
5/16 received nasty email in ref to me taking weeks to respond... and expecting you to respond immediatley. asking to cancel complaint
5/17 responding to your email... I cancelled the paypal complaint... and asked politely for an update....
5/31 still had not received an update... so I emaile dasking for an update
6/2 still nothing.. so again i asked politellty for an update...
6/15 posted on this forum
I have not received anything.... Please provide me an update... at
concep86 @ yahoo .com
:lol: :lol: :lol: :shock:
Interesting
You forgot the email complaint you made to paypal just 6 days after sending the correct payment, my response via paypal to that offering a refund, and the several emails I subsequently sent that you replied to - I have emailed many times to [email protected] and have the server logs from exchange 2003 to prove it.
From you own logs you have given it just over 3 weeks to arrive to the US. Surface post ain't that quick you know and you were too cheap to pay for a courier service so what do you expect?
Check your spam filter etc.
Edit - you forgot to mention the reason for my 'long response' ( 9 days!) after payment was you had paid to my *old* email address from when you had first contacted me rather than my current address that I was replying from at the time and the one you so kindly plastered all over this group for the spam bots to find. Thanks. 2 can play at that game. Looks like you're gonna be on your own claiming from USPS.
Richard
We could go back and forth... on this...
I did not forget to include the complaint as i was detailing just the emails that went back and forth between us.
I did mention the complaint in the emails...
However, I did apologize to you for submitting a complaint on the 15th and did not reveive a response...
I am the one putting up the cash for my litlle item... and 25GBP although a small amount is still hard earned.
and i have beenn burned on ebay before.... so sorry if i require a little hand holding...
Where do we go from here... sounds like we just had some bad communication issues to resolve.. we are both honest hard working gents...
lets get past this please... I am willing to make a public apology on this forum... once I receive my items...
as i have stated previously in my emails... i am truly sorry for the misunderstanding....
Thanks...
PS removed emails from previous posts...
concep86
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fluffcat1,
I told you I would run into you again...
Anyone looking to buy parts for your phone DONT deal with Richard...
(email removed)
We conducted a paypal transaction on May 2... and after 1.5 months and some nasty emails I am out of 25GBP... and still have NOT received my camera and back case as promised in the transaction....
I submitted a complaint on Paypal... He emailed me saying that he was upset with me and that if I closed the case he would ship the items... so I did and he did NOt ship anything...
Very clever on his part... since now I can not go back to Paypal and open the claim again...
Note to anyone buying using paypal... If you have a complaint open... DO NOT close it until you are completely satisfied... with the outcome...
Once you close a case you can not open it...
Any Way... just wanted to warn everyone... looking to buy parts for their phones... Richard(email removed) is a CROOK.
Concep86
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I have ordered items from fluffcat1 without problems. He kept in touch with me and gave me pointers on installing a camera on my SX 66.
Would definately buy from again.
I've ordered from Fluffcat as well. Always very good service, fast and extremely helpful. Just look at his EBay feedback! Surely this could have been sorted out in private.
I'll also go with supporting Fluffycat
Fast and good service for a replacement keypad circuit board for my typhoon and even gave me some money back for the damaged part, sent by paypal only days after I sent it back to him
I'll also go with supporting Fluffycat
Fast and good service for a replacement keypad circuit board for my typhoon and even gave me some money back for the damaged part, sent by paypal only days after I sent it back to him
well it definitely appears that this was just a case of bad communication that went the worse possible way...
i simply wanted an update on the product, when it would ship, after 7 emails and more than 30 days, i still did not have an update.
as for settling this in private ...
What do you think the 7 emails were an attempt to do...
concep86
concep86 said:
well it definitely appears that this was just a case of bad communication that went the worse possible way...
i simply wanted an update on the product, when it would ship, after 7 emails and more than 30 days, i still did not have an update.
as for settling this in private ...
What do you think the 7 emails were an attempt to do...
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In the future you should refrain from calling someone a crook unless all of your bases are covered. Just some advice.
I have not been proven a liar...
fluffcat1 can say what he likes... but I have not received my items nor have I ever received an email telling me that the item was shipped...
what do you think the 7 emails were an attempt to do... do you think I was simply stalking... **** I just wanted to know if he had shipped the items...
So for the moment, all my bases are covered....
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concep86 said:
well it definitely appears that this was just a case of bad communication that went the worse possible way...
i simply wanted an update on the product, when it would ship, after 7 emails and more than 30 days, i still did not have an update.
as for settling this in private ...
What do you think the 7 emails were an attempt to do...
concep86
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In the future you should refrain from calling someone a crook unless all of your bases are covered. Just some advice.
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nswafford said:
concep86 said:
well it definitely appears that this was just a case of bad communication that went the worse possible way...
i simply wanted an update on the product, when it would ship, after 7 emails and more than 30 days, i still did not have an update.
as for settling this in private ...
What do you think the 7 emails were an attempt to do...
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In the future you should refrain from calling someone a crook unless all of your bases are covered. Just some advice.
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I agree.
It may be an idea to edit your first post to have a less litigious subject. Something along the lines of "Delivery from fluffcat delayed, has anyone else had similar problems?".
And why have you put his email back into your posts. That really does seem childish to me.
concep86 said:
I have not been proven a liar...
fluffcat1 can say what he likes... but I have not received my items nor have I ever received an email telling me that the item was shipped...
what do you think the 7 emails were an attempt to do... do you think I was simply stalking... **** I just wanted to know if he had shipped the items...
So for the moment, all my bases are covered....
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No, they are not. Lets see what you didn't do....
1: You didn't try using an alternative email address to email me incase either you or I was experienceing server issues. The free providors ( esp. yahoo and hotmail) randomly take to blocking domains if they are recently registered and / or not in their latest DNS list. The domain of the email you so kindly re-plastered over this thread was recently registered. This is one of the reasons I have moved away from a 'free' providor.
2: You didn't try contacting me via my previous email address where we were able to communicate albeit with long gaps for your replies.
3: You didn't try pm'ing me via this site.
4: You didn't try re-contacting me via ebay as first contact had been originally made.
Now, I don't know there is an issue unless I get told - I don't sit at a computer typing in tracking numbers all day checking if stuff has been delivered. All items are sent insured as I previously stated.
You don't want this sorting out it seems - you are just out to stir....with a different attitude on your part I would have been glad to handle the claim and send out a replacement camera module ( I have no free rear covers left :-( as I do when domestic items get lost / mislaid as the wait can be annoying for the claim to be processed.
I have not yet had to claim via the international process but domestic claims take upto 4 weeks ( and they pay the claim as stamps :roll: ) - so I think you need to contact USPS and find out their procedure as I am unwilling to help any further after your comments in this thread and petty re-insertion of my email into it for the spammers to harvest. (As I have admin status over my new domain I'll just set up another mailbox if it gets too much - thanks.)
Your ref is RI763769010GB. Good luck!
Richard
p.s thanks everyone else for the cheer squad! It's usually only the bad experiences people shout about. I appreciate it.
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Cant we all get along ? Both of you made mistakes and have shown in this forum you are less than civized men. You are but children acting as they do. Both of you should forget the past and try to come to a compromise. As humans we all make mistakes and act on emotions and dont realize that airing your dirty laundry in public without looking at the big picture you show a side of yourselves that you should be embarrassed of. Now that you both should feel ashamed of yourselves(if you dont you should), lets come together and fix the problem. Be the men your parents raised you to be!!!
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airing your dirty laundry in public without looking at the big picture you show a side of yourselves that you should be embarrassed of. Now that you both should feel ashamed of yourselves(if you dont you should)
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Well thanks for lumping me in here but I didn't start it posting here in this thread...just defending myself against points incorrectly made that I was a crook which I am not. Someone calls you a crook in a public forum would you turn the other cheek and be the 'bigger man'? I think not. You would defend yourself, as I have done.
Richard
Hi fluffcat1
I am also an eBay seller and read this thread with interest. I can sympathize with your situation especially when getting a Paypal chargeback in such a short time. However, there are some flaws in your argument.
You are a UK registered seller. As such you are responsible for the delivery of the item. It isn't good enough to say "you pissed me off, sort it out yourself" or "it is with USPS, ask them" (not exactly what you said, I know). The purchasers contract with you was for delivery of the item to him, not to USPS. In the UK you would wind up in small claims and rightly so. You are coming across as being quite unprofessional and taking advantage of the fact the purchaser is US based. You also quote some interesting statistics. I do not believe your claim that loosing 2 in 50 is better than the UK national average. The actual statistics are 0.07% - see the following news item http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3681547.stm for my references.
As I already stated I am an EBay seller too. However, a loss rate of 2 in 50 would be real trouble for us. We ship on average 120 items a day and that would mean we would lose about 5 a day. We don’t lose that many a month!
As for "with a different attitude on your part I would have been glad to handle the claim and send out a replacement camera module", that shouldn't be your choice, and in the UK it wouldn't be. You are responsible for that item and you have a duty to your customer to resolve it satisfactorily.
"Surface post ain't that quick you know and you were too cheap to pay for a courier service", eh, what about Airmail. You quote international signed for on your auctions but you don't mention that only covers surface mail. The difference between the two is small, for example a 1kg Airmail to the US is £10.00 while surface is £8.30. Did you explain it would take up to 6 weeks for delivery?
“I have not yet had to claim via the international process but domestic claims take upto 4 weeks ( and they pay the claim as stamps )”. I must imagine the cheques them send me when I claim for loss! They have never sent me stamps.
I am curious how you know the item is with USPS as tracking number RI763769010GB is giving no details at all. I was under the impression an International Signed for number would give the date it was collected from you and where it is with regard to processing. See these numbers for an example – RI537451069GB and RI537451072GB.
David.
I got my Prime on January 16th, very happy and proud.
That was the only short period where I have been in that mood.
The more I used the Prime the more I could see that something was not as expected.
1) weak WiFi, compared to any other unit at home, and I have many and from different companies.
2) GPS did not work, (they did not have it removed from specs. yet)
3) Lot of waiting time to get ICS installed (because it was German and needs a specific firmware).
4) and most important thing, WiFi and BT does not work together, which in a tablet is like to say that "a car does not break unless you put your feet on the road to stop."
I have used HOURS on this tablet, troubleshooting, testing, reading, writing, tried 5 different firmwares, 2 different headsets, WiFi Channels, B,G,N. Reboots, resets.
Then 2 days ago, I decided to RMA mine, also after recommendaton by Gary, and ASUS Customer Service. (The latter.. in DK is poor as I never experienced before).
I have been told tuesday that I have to wait up to 48 hours, before getting ans answer, fine!.
Today at 11am the 48 hours were gone. I called and the first thing they asked me was:" what browser do you use"? I said why? I have Tablet's android, IE8 and IE9.. Why? "Ah because sometimes we have issues with RMA made on Explorer browsers."
So are you telling me that you do not receive the RMA, even though the side told me that "all was fine and was sent"?
After 10 minutes, the guy at ASUS CS found out, that nothing has been registered in their system, and he offered me to make a new one, directly.
I am so pissed of at this bunch of amateurs that I will NEVER EVER buy a nail from them.
They could not ask this question or make me aware of that issue, after I spoke to them 3 times the same day about it.
They are making fun of many and they are the less serious company I have ever handled with.
I work as Supporter.. I have some experiences with IT companies and suppliers.
This is the bottom level!
2 times I made the RMA and 2 times "all was fine according the site. I made it 2 times to be sure that I wrote the correct S/N number, as I was in doubt.
Gary if you read this, it's not excuse. Not your fault for sure, but this is out of line and I really believe that ASUS needs a HUGE Team Building, starting from your CEO and ending with you canteen people.
Tomorrow this "innocent" ASUS guy should call me to confirm the RMA is now created correctly. If this is not the case. All media in Denmark and Nothern Europe will read this and more.
Shame on ASUS, idiot me to handle with them!
sorry to hear about it. just keep on their case to make sure they get it done. good luck
If you want to contact Gary Key, PMing him is the method
Asus, And rep generally don't respond to thread on XDA or other forum, unless said topic is made by them.
And if they do respond, they will hardly respond to a thread with threats and insults.
Yelling and screaming at Customer service agent has been outdated 10+ year ago.
I mailed him and the Marketing Manager in Denmark.
Let's see!
bluewr said:
If you want to contact Gary Key, PMing him is the method
Asus, And rep generally don't respond to thread on XDA or other forum, unless said topic is made by them.
And if they do respond, they will hardly respond to a thread with threats and insults.
Yelling and screaming at Customer service agent has been outdated 10+ year ago.
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PMed him twice...................still waiting !
bluewr said:
If you want to contact Gary Key, PMing him is the method
Asus, And rep generally don't respond to thread on XDA or other forum, unless said topic is made by them.
And if they do respond, they will hardly respond to a thread with threats and insults.
Yelling and screaming at Customer service agent has been outdated 10+ year ago.
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I've seen Gary post in quite a few threads that weren't his which had particularly nasty attitudes toward ASUS/him. That's really more his job around here than anything IMO
Anyway, yeah, ASUS doesn't seem as organized as they should be. Especially things which are electronically filed, the information should be available to any and all relevant employees immediately upon receipt. As soon as the shipping company updates that the package has been shipped from the user up until the point it's back in my hands, ASUS reps should be able to tell me exactly what's going on and where it is. Naturally they move things in batches, but however they keep up with it is atrociously behind the times or something.
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Shame on ASUS, idiot me to handle with them!
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Maybe you'll feel little better knowing that ASUS Technical Support here in Poland is at the same or even worse level. I had no problem in registering my tablet for RMA but please be aware, that if you are going to RMA your Prime due to not working GPS it won't be repaired.
I decided to RMA me Prime at 9th of January and will never see it again because after one month since it has reached the Service Center in Czech Republic, ASUS Poland contacted me to say that GPS won't be fixed. They asked, if I want to start DOA procedure which should take about 3 weeks to get my money back.
We have 1st of March today and I'm still waiting... and what is really annoying, ASUS Poland is now unable to give me the exact date when my money will be returned!!!
My advice for you is to give up the RMA and request DOA, you'll save some time and health.
Gary won't help you here. I read at some thread here, that he has no way to contact with ASUS Europe. He has never replied to my PMs
Regards,
Pletwal
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PMed him twice...................still waiting !
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Yeah me too. No response and I'm in the USA. Pmd 2 weeks apart. I will enjoy owning my prime but definitely will not buy Asus again. No laptops, monitors, tablets or motherboards ........
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Most unfortunate. I don't mean to be rude when I sy this, but if you're an IT guy, why the hell would you be using IE?
That confuses me immensely.
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Most unfortunate. I don't mean to be rude when I sy this, but if you're an IT guy, why the hell would you be using IE?
That confuses me immensely.
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IE 9 is pretty good as long as you dont care about printing I am in the IT field and will use it from time to time but I do think overall Firefox is king
I'm sorry to read that you the "OP" is being ran through the ringer. I hope they get on track with your RMA. I have come to find that Asus outside of Taiwan sucks Donkey D. Asus Taiwan rocks!! They will bend over backwards to take care of their customers. If things don't work out in your favor, shoot a detailed email of your case, a long with a reasonable resoultion to Asus International.
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IE 9 is pretty good as long as you dont care about printing I am in the IT field and will use it from time to time but I do think overall Firefox is king
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Even IE 8 has this issue with certain printers. I'm actually just running into that issue with a customer, and they can not grasp the fact the IE is not the only portal to the internet...
Firefox is the most stable in my experience. Chrome and Maxthon are fast; Chrome's heavily unreliable and its cache likes to act weird over time, Maxthon I haven't used but for a few seconds so don't know its drawbacks.
Anyway...
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..mail with UPS label arrived.
BUT it was WRONG, name and zip code to my house were not correct.
Called UPS, they could not change the info with the correct ones, and could not assure me that all could go well having the wrong address.
They suggested to call ASUS again and ask them for a new. I did it!
So now again new waiting time!
My trust in ASUS is gone, they do not do much to "re-gain it"
The unit will be sent to Chech Rep. for repair, and as I read, they probably do not fix WiFi/BT as "non faulty".
is this post a kind of therapy?
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bimbobo said:
..mail with UPS label arrived.
BUT it was WRONG, name and zip code to my house were not correct.
Called UPS, they could not change the info with the correct ones, and could not assure me that all could go well having the wrong address.
They suggested to call ASUS again and ask them for a new. I did it!
So now again new waiting time!
My trust in ASUS is gone, they do not do much to "re-gain it"
The unit will be sent to Chech Rep. for repair, and as I read, they probably do not fix WiFi/BT as "non faulty".
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Wow, that really is impressively awful on their part. I hope you get all of this resolved in the end.
.. I thought that somebody else could be interested in knowing that ASUS is not trustworthy when things goes bad.
Service is as important as the "fancy" products you sell.
Plus I wanted to share the fact, that if you do not check, push and follow up what they do, you won't get help.
If the mods are not happy with this thread, they are allowed to close or delete it.
There are many Europeans in this forum, who cannot mail or call Gary and his team.
We in Europe are left on our own. All the messages I read from people in Europe here, seems to confirm that.
Anyway, sorry for bothering some of you.
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.. I thought that somebody else could be interested that ASUS is not trustworthy when things goes bad.
Service is as important as the "fancy" products you sell.
Plus I wann saher the fact, that if you do not check, push and follow up what they do, you won't get help.
If the mods are not happy with this thread, they are allow to close or delete it.
There are many Europeans in this forum, who cannot mail or call Gary and his team.
We in Europe are left on our own. All the messages I read from people in Europe here, seems to confirm that.
Anyway, sorry for bothering some of you.
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I don't think you need to apologise at all. ASUS on the other hand owe you a rather large apology.
It seems that using the big voice and words helps.
A manager from ASUS in Sweden called me on the phone, apologizing for all the troubles.
The short story is, that they offered to fully refund the product.
Why? Because there is a 10% risk that even sending this at the Repair Center will not sove the issue. He wouldn't and couldn't tell me more, but the story is that, for some "reasons" and even though the WiFi/Bt is now a known problem, they cannot be sure to fix it.
I referred to Gary's mail to me and here in this forum about a possible solution, but yet, he COULD NOT be sure that the replacing parts will do the job. (Metal backplate still jamming everything?? This is MY guess!)
So now ASUS is creating the second RMA label, I will send it to Chech Rep., I will await what happens, and I will contact this manager at ASUS SE when I get it back.
Solved? peace of mind and enjoying finally this device
Not Solved? Refund.
If you get a case manager ***** at them till they send you a free accessory I got a free mouse with my full tablet+ dock refund
Mouse should be here Tuesday
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Wordlywisewiz said:
If you get a case manager ***** at them till they send you a free accessory I got a free mouse with my full tablet+ dock refund
Mouse should be here Tuesday
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*****ing is not what I wish, I like information, competence and support.
I have a tablet for 629€, with issues, they know it, and they should fix it.
I am not fishing about other stuff, just a working tablet.
All this caos is due to the fact that several people either know a little, or tell me different things about same question
Anyway. They will have another chance to act correctly, and I am in touch with a person, who can and will try to help.
Let's see how it goes in "Czech Rep. repair centre".
This is a rant. If you don't like rants then move along.
I am trying to purchase a Nexus 10. And this has been, without doubt, the worst customer experience I have EVER had. First: I buy a N10. The screen is defective, so I RMA it. The replacement arrives (eventually). It is worst than the first. I RMA it as well. I am sent the RMA forms and am told that TNT will send me the return shipping labels. After two days, no labels arrive. I call TNT. They tell me they don't send shipping labels out for Google and that I need to speak to them. They also tell me they will pick up the device, but I need a Google account code. I call Google. I sit on hold for 20 mins+ and am cut off. I call again. 10 more minutes on hold. They tell me the code, adding that they have had endless problems with TNT. I call TNT. I give them the code. They put it all through, but say they need an address to send it to. I don't have one, obviously. I call Google back - again. I sit on hold - again. I speak to 3 people this time. I am told by each that they do not have an address to give me. Yep: Google - which, as it's defining mission statement aims to gather up the world's information - cannot tell me where I have to send my Google device to be RMA'd'. They say that the address is in the barcode of the RMA, and that this can be scanned by TNT. I wonder how TNT can scan the barcode when the RMA form is put inside the box as per their return instructions, but am told that TNT have the code linked to my address. But TNT say they know nothing about it. Eventually I say I am going to put both my faulty N10s in a box - seal it - cancel my orders - and let Google fight it out with my credit card company when the monies don't arrive. After all: I have two faulty devices, and no-one can tell me where or how to send them back. I eventually - after about 1.5 hours on the phone - get put through to a supervisor, who tells me he is going to escalate the case. I have heard all this before, but apparently have no choice since the escalations shipping team don't come on shift for another 5 hours. I tell the supervisor that this is it, and if I don't get a definitive solution to this within 24 hours then I'm sealing the box.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where I am at. This is beyond parody. Literally unbelievable.
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I decide to call TNT again. They reaffirm their 'we have no idea what you're on about' line. But I get put through to someone who very helpfully says they can sort out a return. They take my details. set up consignment number etc,. and set collection for today. After 10 minutes or so, I ask her what address to put on the bag with the N10 in, and begins: 'ASUS...'. Who? I ask. 'ASUS', she says: 'the people who make them'. 'No', I say, 'they make the N7, this is a N10'. 'Oh' she says, 'the one's made by Samsung - well in that case you need to get Google to send you the labels'.
Has anyone else had any experience of this? How, exactly, are you supposed to return something with no return address?
I'm also facing very similar issues.
Between both companies i am very disappointed.
I will update you once I have spoken to Google for the 4th time this evening
Wow, this sounds like some sort of horrible comedy sketch.
All I can say is that I feel for you, and I hope you get it sorted soon.
Failing that, cancel the payment, keep the devices, and wait for nothing to happen, since, you being unable to find the people to return it to, either 1) they'll call you, or 2) nothing will come of it and you can keep 2 free N10's.
You could defend this in court if it came to it since thy're practically making it impossible for you to send them back.
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It turns out that the distributor for Google in the UK is a company called Computer 2000. I have just managed to speak to the lady who sends out the RMA shipping labels for the N10s. But she can only send one out when she gets my RMA code sent to her in the daily report from Google. I get back on the phone to Google. Eventually I'm told that my RMA code has been sent out (this was apparently done 50 minutes ago, so I guess the escalation from the supervisor has happened), and that I need to wait for the labels. Again. Or something.
And to think I sold my iPad for this.
I strongly suspect a call to Visa is on the cards. But let's see.
I had this exact problem with 2 nexus 7s (2 rmas from 1 original purchase). I waited 3 months for a return label in the end. Google wouldn't speak to Computer 2000 who wouldnt speak to TNT. And despite returning both units now, the RMA 'purchases' are still bouncing to the top of my Google play order list every few weeks, like a constant threat that I will be incorrectly charged for them at some point - Google can not explain why this is still happening.
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I had this exact problem with 2 nexus 7s (2 rmas from 1 original purchase). I waited 3 months for a return label in the end. Google wouldn't speak to Computer 2000 who wouldnt speak to TNT. And despite returning both units now, the RMA 'purchases' are still bouncing to the top of my Google play order list every few weeks, like a constant threat that I will be incorrectly charged for them at some point - Google can not explain why this is still happening.
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I do not understand what to do. Google said to call TNT. What the hell has TNT got to do with a return? Who are computer 2000? Im in the UK, these american dudes are useless!!
Hmm,
I told google i wanted to return my nexus10 (which arrived 2 days after buying) because the wifi was a bit iffy, before i sent it back, they sent me another tablet. I still have both, now with updates, both work fine, so am sending one back... pretty flawless and quick service for me (perhaps a karma issue
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I do not understand what to do. Google said to call TNT. What the hell has TNT got to do with a return? Who are computer 2000? Im in the UK, these american dudes are useless!!
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It's got nothing to do with TNT. Google need to send you an RMA form (a PDF you print off). Then, THEY need to send the RMA code to Computer 2000, who are the distributor for Google in the UK. Computer 2000 then send the jiffy bag, which you then arrange to be picked up by TNT. Google's alleged 'specialists' don't know what they're talking about. It's quite shocking. The people I spoke to at TNT and Computer 2000 today told me a litany of horror stories about Google on this. And judging by the completely incorrect and contradictory things I've been told by Google, I'm very inclined to believe them.
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Hmm,
I told google i wanted to return my nexus10 (which arrived 2 days after buying) because the wifi was a bit iffy, before i sent it back, they sent me another tablet. I still have both, now with updates, both work fine, so am sending one back... pretty flawless and quick service for me (perhaps a karma issue
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Let's see how your karma holds up when you get to the actual 'returning' part, shall we? :fingers-crossed:
Thanks for your info, i will be keeping a good eye on this thread as I'm waiting for a return pack for my N10.
It was meant to be in the same parcel as the replacement device, but all i got was the device. i raised it with Google and all they said was that they would get an RMA pack out straight away, but I'm yet to hear anything else
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It's got nothing to do with TNT. Google need to send you an RMA form (a PDF you print off). Then, THEY need to send the RMA code to Computer 2000, who are the distributor for Google in the UK. Computer 2000 then send the jiffy bag, which you then arrange to be picked up by TNT. Google's alleged 'specialists' don't know what they're talking about. It's quite shocking. The people I spoke to at TNT and Computer 2000 today told me a litany of horror stories about Google on this. And judging by the completely incorrect and contradictory things I've been told by Google, I'm very inclined to believe them.
Let's see how your karma holds up when you get to the actual 'returning' part, shall we? :fingers-crossed:
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I just called TNT and google, google told me to call tnt, tnt said they had no idea what I was on about. Then i called google, they said call tnt and giev them my rma number. So I dont want to call tnt again, and it will sound like i am an idiot. SO what should I do? Should I call google again? What should I say? These american google guys have no idea what is going on. They need a UK call centre.
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. They need a UK call centre.
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But then they would have to pay UK taxes!
Seriously, you are right. My N7 experience led me to realise that most of the advice the US operators at Google give you only applies to US purchases, and agreements they have with whoever does the US deliveries. After many phonecalls, I ended up asking "does this apply to the UK" after every instruction I was given, and the answer was always "ERM, don't know, perhaps I should escalate your issue".
I had loads of emails demanding payment for immediate return of the devices over the 3 months. The shipping label/ bag did arrive eventually though.
This sounds, word for word, nearly exactly the same as my experience. Although I have FOUR devices that I need to send back. 4th one arrived today, still faulty, still with nothing to return the others with. This is after going back between Google and TNT about 20+ times now over the past couple of weeks. Going to get a refund and wait a few months, really really disappointed.
Has anyone in the UK actually managed to successfully return a device yet?
Wow. What a nightmare. Good luck. Get it together, Google.
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This sounds, word for word, nearly exactly the same as my experience. Although I have FOUR devices that I need to send back. 4th one arrived today, still faulty, still with nothing to return the others with. This is after going back between Google and TNT about 20+ times now over the past couple of weeks. Going to get a refund and wait a few months, really really disappointed.
Has anyone in the UK actually managed to successfully return a device yet?
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So you have been charged 390 x 4? £1560? Google must be laughing!
Just been back to the phone. I thought I'd ask Google why they're giving out incorrect information about returns. The operator gave me the same line as before, and has reissued another request to TNT for shipping labels. They said they would deal with it personally, and that they would definitely email me back tomorrow, either to confirm that the labels have been sent, or to let me know that TNT have no idea about it. I am not expecting anything to happen at all, but will update with further news if and when it comes in.
Dev paprina
I am also waiting to send 2 back and was told it would be a couple of days before i get the TNT labels etc
After another 1hr wasted on the phone to Google and so called a manager I received an email saying that I have to return the device at my own cost.
Its f*****g retarded. I just want the device gone!
however the hold came off my account so I guess I could keep them both!
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After another 1hr wasted on the phone to Google and so called a manager I received an email saying that I have to return the device at my own cost.
Its f*****g retarded. I just want the device gone!
however the hold came off my account so I guess I could keep them both!
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No way should you have to return it at your cost, if they don't want to sort it out, just forget it, or tell them they can come collect it in court.
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Man just BS them. Tell them that you already sent them 1 week ago or something and say something like "I don't know why you don't have them because I sent them already. It's not my problem. No I will not call TNT, it's your job to call them."
My Phone; (AT&T HTC One M8 Unlocked, Rooted S-off ), TWRP 2.7.0.0 Recovery, Superuser GOO Manager installed. Flashed the Venom rom using teamwin app. Followed inst, plus youtube video. Did not work first time. Installed backup phone went back to normal, tried flashing again went fine rebooted once rebooted would not turn on, can not get into recovery. Phone powers up and say UNFORTUNATELY PHONE HAS STOPPED WORKING. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Is there no way to force this phone into bootloader mode?
Well I'm off to the Evil empire(AT&T) to get a new phone.
Phone still under warranty, getting one mailed to me with a return mailer to send this one back, should be here on Tuesday. A few minutes ago I saw the supersu app pop up asking to grant venom tweaks permission. I could not grant it because of the two error messages on the screen on top of it. (Unfortunately the phone has stopped, and Unfortunately blink feed has stopped). Has anyone seen any thing like this before?
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Phone still under warranty, getting one mailed to me with a return mailer to send this one back, should be here on Tuesday. A few minutes ago I saw the supersu app pop up asking to grant venom tweaks permission. I could not grant it because of the two error messages on the screen on top of it. (Unfortunately the phone has stopped, and Unfortunately blink feed has stopped). Has anyone seen any thing like this before?
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I'm sure your phone is fine. you are using an outdated twrp and probably messed up a partition. Unplug phone, hold vol up and power for exactly 10 seconds, let go of both, then hold vol down and power. This should take you to your boot loader. get new twrp img from official site.
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot erase cache
boot to twrp and reflash rom.
I had done what you suggested many times (read it from another post), the only difference was you said exactly 10 seconds the other post said 15 seconds. The HTC tech I talked to earlier this morning even told me to do that for 15-20 seconds which did not work. Your method worked like a charm on the first try. Thank you very much Sir.
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I had done what you suggested many times (read it from another post), the only difference was you said exactly 10 seconds the other post said 15 seconds. The HTC tech I talked to earlier this morning even told me to do that for 15-20 seconds which did not work. Your method worked like a charm on the first try. Thank you very much Sir.
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Np, if you hold longer, it actually turns the phone back on before you can hit "vol down" to get to boot loader. If you are ever just resetting, you can hold as long as you want till it resets
I'm happy you go it sorted out. But stop jumping the gun, and running for a warranty exchange when things do go quite right when modding the phone.
If the screen comes on, its unlikely that the phone beyond recovery. Its usually just a lock of knowledge on your part, and just a matter of research on XDA, or asking for help here. If you are going to be modding the phone, you are going to have to resolve yourself to being more patient. Things will occasionally not go right, that is just a fact of the game. The right response is to troubleshoot your way out, and not freak out.
In any case, claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of you modding the phone is immoral; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
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I'm happy you go it sorted out. But stop jumping the gun, and running for a warranty exchange when things do go quite right when modding the phone.
If the screen comes on, its unlikely that the phone beyond recovery. Its usually just a lock of knowledge on your part, and just a matter of research on XDA, or asking for help here. If you are going to be modding the phone, you are going to have to resolve yourself to being more patient. Things will occasionally not go right, that is just a fact of the game. The right response is to troubleshoot your way out, and not freak out.
In any case, claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of you modding the phone is immoral; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
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Please don't question my morality, you don't know me. I've dealt with AT&T(the evil empire) for 18 years, with them adding charges to my account, charging for items I never requested and they never sent, charging for additional minutes and data that were never used. I went to buy another phone ,just like I bought this one. The enormous amount of money they charge for these $80.00 phones is ridiculous. So please wait until you sit down and talk to me about all the things I endured with AT&T before making claims about my morality.
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Sir you've never sat at my table, nor I yours. My moral compass is always pointed due north. So don't question my morality....Please
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Please don't question my morality, you don't know me.
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You're right, I don't know you. But my statement, while phrased in the 2nd person tense, does not require any knowledge of you, and does not in any way need to be specific to you. It applies to everybody. If you want me to rephrase slightly, try this:
Claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of modding the phone is immoral and fraud; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
The personal details of your life are not relevant to the discussion, and add no value to it.
People often like to frame things in terms of "evil" faceless corporations that don't get hurt if you rip them off. Of you getting payback for so-called "wrongs" they have done to you. But in reality, the expense of fraudulent warranty claims doesn't get absorbed by AT&T, it trickles down to all of us, the customers. And in more ways than one. Not only would such behavior pass on additional monetary expenses to other honest paying customers, but also is the very reason why manufacturers and carriers are locking down bootloaders, and otherwise locking down the phones against modification (write protected partitions, etc.). If not for fruadulant warranty claims (do to botched phone modding), the manufacturers and carriers would let us mod to our hearts delight. Locked bootloaders and other obstacles would not exist, because why would they care? Its not the "evil empire" you are hurting, its all of us.
If you decide to mod the phone, you accept the risk of bricking it, and having to replace the phone on your own dime. Its that simple.
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You're right, I don't know you. But my statement, while phrased in the 2nd person tense, does not require any knowledge of you, and does not in any way need to be specific to you. It applies to everybody. If you want me to rephrase slightly, try this:
Claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of modding the phone is immoral and fraud; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
The personal details of your life are not relevant to the discussion, and add no value to it.
People often like to frame things in terms of "evil" faceless corporations that don't get hurt if you rip them off. Of you getting payback for so-called "wrongs" they have done to you. But in reality, the expense of fraudulent warranty claims doesn't get absorbed by AT&T, it trickles down to all of us, the customers. And in more ways than one. Not only would such behavior pass on additional monetary expenses to other honest paying customers, but also is the very reason why manufacturers and carriers are locking down bootloaders, and otherwise locking down the phones against modification (write protected partitions, etc.). If not for fruadulant warranty claims (do to botched phone modding), the manufacturers and carriers would let us mod to our hearts delight. Locked bootloaders and other obstacles would not exist, because why would they care? Its not the "evil empire" you are hurting, its all of us.
If you decide to mod the phone, you accept the risk of bricking it, and having to replace the phone on your own dime. Its that simple.
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I some what agree with you but not totally, as for as my back ground info now you do know a little about me. You must not know how warranties work if I had taken the warranty phone I would have to send them this one back. So I cancelled the order. This is not an AT&T phone this is my phone, I bought it, I can do what I please with it. In my earlier post I said I went to BUY another phone, not do a warranty claim I told them what I did. I did not try to deceive them, lie or anything(because of my Morality). If it's their phone I agree I should be liable, but it's my phone. It came with a warranty, so did the 2013 Mustang I purchased for my Grand Daughter, the engine failed, the warranty replaced the engine. I was allowed to keep the defective engine, it was MINE I wrote a check for the vehicle. Since I bought the phone they should have made provisions for me to unlock, root, unlock the sim, replace the rom, toss it in my lake, throw from the third floor of my home, and anything else I wanted to do to it, once they accepted my money this became my property. In closing, yes I don't care about big corporations, or the Government, but my morality is intact if it wasn't I don't think I would be here having this conversation with you. Sir, your lesson on morality is wasted on me you should be having this conversation with your children!
underdogg said:
You must not know how warranties work
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I know precisely how warranties work. You said the following, which to me means you were making a warranty claim due to the phone not booting, which was a result of you modding the phone.
underdogg said:
Phone still under warranty, getting one mailed to me with a return mailer to send this one back
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You did not use the word "buy" previously anywhere. Only the word "get" which is ambiguous at best. And how a purchase fits in with the above quote (getting a warranty exchange) is unclear.
And I know you go the phone working again, so presumably cancelled the warranty claim. I was more commenting on the intent to make a warranty claim.
I've said my part, no need to carry this discussion any further. And frankly the repeated mention of your "morality" is irrelevant. I'm just making a comment, which all are free to do on this forum. You can take it or leave it (obviously the latter). But saying I cannot comment (and to have this conversation "with my kids" instead) is not your right.
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I know precisely how warranties work. You said the following, which to me means you were making a warranty claim due to the phone not booting, which was a result of you modding the phone.
You did not use the word "buy" previously anywhere. Only the word "get" which is ambiguous at best. And how a purchase fits in with the above quote (getting a warranty exchange) is unclear.
And I know you go the phone working again, so presumably cancelled the warranty claim. I was more commenting on the intent to make a warranty claim.
I've said my part, no need to carry this discussion any further. And frankly the repeated mention of your "morality" is irrelevant. I'm just making a comment, which all are free to do on this forum. You can take it or leave it (obviously the latter). But saying I cannot comment (and to have this conversation "with my kids" instead) is not your right.
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You are right, I did say get a phone, the warranty info came after I got to the store. I buy what I want, and I understand my RIGHTS under the freedom of speech act. You said what you had to say, I just questioned your point about my morality. This is the last I will speak on this, I hope you do the same. Have a good day today and a better day tomorrow.
It's definitely bricked. I messed up the recovery, then proceeded to mess up the boot trying to fix the recovery without researching the possible side effects. Constant loop now.
Is there a way to utilize any standard warranty to replace my device? I've read that some people have good experiences with Amazon customer service with their HD Fire's. Is there anything I should omit about what's been done to the device or something I should say that has been done?
Obviously don't want to use the R word. Last paragraph here apparently works: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63012306&postcount=90
DoLooper said:
Obviously don't want to use the R word. Last paragraph here apparently works: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63012306&postcount=90
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I just wanted to update this by saying the night I posted this, I went ahead and contacted Amazon via chat (don't ask me how, getting personalized customer service is like finding a diamond in the rough there). I mixed a small amount of flattery and spruced it up by sounding completely out of my element. I started by saying something along the lines of "Hey, I know I may have stretched beyond my technical prowess, and I know warranties have limitations, but I had heard that you guys have been very gracious and forgiving in the past and am just reaching out to see if there's still any help for me"...I don't remember, but it was something along those lines. I did leave out the "R" word , but I did say pretty much what I put into my OP, and the guy was like "This isn't normally covered, but I have gone ahead and sent you a replacement, please return the malfunctioning...." etc etc. So A+++ to customer service. I was expecting the worse and got much better results than I had hoped.