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I'm sure the Evo 3d will be every bit as capable as the Tegra 2 devices. But nvidia has the developers courted in a big way. I'm not a huge gamer, but I do enjoy the 10 or so on my Evo 4g. I'd have to say games on the Evo 4g are underwhelming. So I'm excited about the 3d having the chops for some serious games. But now I'm afraid that the qualcomm processor means it simply won't get the cool games with so many developers committed to Tegra 2. And some of these Tegra 2 games look pretty sweet.
With the rumor of a Tegra 2 device on Sprint, I question if it would be worth waiting for. What do y'all thing? Will qualcomm get the gaming love from developers? Will these cool Tegra games be ported to other capable dual core devices?
Fragmentation...
I was just thinking about this earlier. WTF is nvidia thinking?
THAT is *actual* fragmentation that everyone is talking about. That's not a difference of a simple version number that can be upgraded....things for download in the market that WILL NOT WORK on 90% of all phones? That's terrible. That's selfish. That will. not. help.
Even if they own 90% of the market its still wrong. LEss obvious, but wrong just the same. I hope nvidia fails and goes out of business for that maneuver. There is nothing keeping the game from running on non tegra² GPU's....sure, it probably won't run great....that's fine....but to have it look for a vendorID string and say 'sorry' just cuz you bought the wrong brand? That's insulting. Go ahead, tear the android market in 2 pieces.
...I think they'll fail on that front. What scumbags. Take something that is a legitmate but fringe concern (fragmentation) and turn it into a legitmate and very very real (market leading?) issue.
I'm not a gamer, but, it will suck that there are games I can't play--at any performance level--cuz I'm not wearing the right brand sneakers...or whatever.
fnck nvidia. That's all marketing and branding, lets keep it a strictly performance based game with standards as the rules...
chainfire3d is an app that is currently allowing tegra zone on most 1ghz devices. I'm not worried about the Evo 3D getting games because we can run anything the tegra 2 devices can AND there are 3D games coming very soon (3DS ports).
I feel this tatic of terga exclusive games will either fail by the end of the year or most high end phones on the next generation will have a terga processor including whatever HTCs next line will be. Personally I'm skeptical that this will take off. They do seem to have a developer following and if I was more of a gamer I couldn't see buying a non terga phone. SO maybe I'm wrong.
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Exactly! Forget Froyo vs. GB. This is the fragmentation that really sucks for consumers.
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chainfire3d looks pretty sweet. hadn't seen that before. I won't even bother loading that on my Evo cause I'm sure it'll choke with a beefy game. But it looks like we'll have to be quick to get root and S-off for the 3d to see what this app can do for it. But 3ds ports may be quite a job since they'd have to code out the DS part. Not sure how many game devs would bother for 2 or 3 3d capable phones in the whole market.
Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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So the EVO 3d's chip outperforms these Tegra chips? I thought they were only releasing it for the Tegra chips because they might have been more powerful. Good to know if this isn't the case.
Now what is in the GS2 as I saw a benchmark video and it blew the Sensation out of the water? I know those benchmarks aren't everyhing but will the SG2 be that much more powerful then the Evo 3d?
I think tegra2 is possibly the slowest of the dual core bunch. BUT when games are coded specifically for that chip, will it matter that qualcomm's chip is better? What good is all that power if all the high quality games only run on tegra?
And you can't blame devs for coding to the most popular chip out for android. That chip is in phones, tabs, and more
Don't forget to blame the developers too, nvidia drives a dump truck full of money to their front porch and says "make this game work only on tegra2 devices".
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Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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The EVO 3D isn't a droid.
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The EVO 3D isn't a droid.
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That's a matter of interpretation. Anything running android is considered a 'droid' phone by most people. Then there are a few purists that believe only the phones made by motorola with Droid in there name can be considered 'droid'.
Whatever.
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That's a matter of interpretation. Anything running android is considered a 'droid' phone by most people. Then there are a few purists that believe only the phones made by motorola with Droid in there name can be considered 'droid'.
Whatever.
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meh droid has always been a abbreviation for android, in all reality an android phone named droid is silly
I don't think I heard a single person refer to Android as "droid" prior to Verizon's marketing campaign...Droid is Verizon's branding, not Moto's or Samsung's or anyone else's...
I wouldn't be picky if it wasn't for the fact that "DROID" is so obvious on all Droid products. You definitely know if your phone is a droid and you definitely know if it isn't.
Benchmarks I've seen all put Exynos/Tegra/MSM8x60 slightly behind the new TI OMAP4. No matter what you choose it's going to be ridiculous. At the level these phones are at you cant go wrong.
Im pretty sure you'll still be able to play the games if you want to but they'll have a version special made for the tegra 2. It wouldn't surprise me if qualcomm started doing something similar but I'm not going to be buying a game that is nerfed even though my phone can handle it just fine.
Everybody's bringing up good (and funny) points, in the long run, once dual core processors are the norm, I think we'll see these "processor specific" games go the way of the dodo
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Everybody's bringing up good (and funny) points, in the long run, once dual core processors are the norm, I think we'll see these "processor specific" games go the way of the dodo
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It reminds me of 3D graphics cards in the late 90's. You had to get a game made for your 3Dfx card to get 3D...or whatever mfgr....but that was the state of the software at the time, we lacked a common API, directX/directdraw was a mere infant at the time and Direct3D was only in beta testing...progress in progress.
Now they are trying to intentionally revert to this horrible horrible situation in the name of branding. They want to enslave you to a market for just their processors and/or supported games.....but it's not an API problem, its a vendorID string problem--and that's just effed up.
So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
riptide looks AWESOMEEEE to bad I will not be buying a tegra phone..... all of them suck (atrix has pentile display and blur, optimus 2x has lots of problems, droid x2 same as atrix)
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So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
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No, the companies involved need to just not do this. There are already APIs to cover this.
Game developers are getting bribed, ahem, "courted" to support this chipset. The actual performance difference is likely negligible to keep it compatible all around. Even if it isn't negligible so long as it runs on everything android so be it--they just have a better graphics chip. Competition drives innovation.
But if they are just making it suck on non tegra2 devices by pulling the deviceID string, well, that's just disgusting.
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So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
riptide looks AWESOMEEEE to bad I will not be buying a tegra phone..... all of them suck (atrix has pentile display and blur, optimus 2x has lots of problems, droid x2 same as atrix)
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I think it's more a matter of the chip makers purposely trying to fragment, when programming it's always faster to write native code then use APIs (as talking directly to the hardware instead of going through android) but different chip makers are using different commands and incorporating their own customized features directly into the chips.
I would be surprised if google doesn't put their foot down and stop this sooner or later.
I own a transformer 101, galaxy tab 10.1, xoom fe and a ipad 2.
Portable gaming has become very big! Alot of people like to game on the go... With that being said the GPU of future tablets should have some impressive portable gaming on the way.
You can find benchmark tests online that show that the SGX543MP2 is more capable than tegra 3s gpu. But how well does the tegra 3 really stack up against it? I would really like to know and compare which will be better for portable gaming.
What are your opinions on this? Does it matter to you that the next gen of andorid tablets seems to have a weaker GPU than a year old tablet? Or do you think the GPU in the prime will be great for tablet gaming for the next year?
Sure I game on my PC when im at home but when I am on the go I like to have a nice tablet device that can also play some killer games!
ILl be the first. WHO CARES! plus this is a redundant/repeat thread. Just because you put it in question form doesn't make it any different from the other thread. Members here already see you as trolling. Always talking about how this or that not better than ipad2. You the only one who sole reason for a tablet is gaming. Gaming is fine on the prime and can do way more than just play games. I play them also but not my main concern. Plus this new chipset is overall better than ipad2. The reviews showed it and several other members think so also.
So if you think you can convince members here to believe apple/ipad2 is better than Android, you lost. Talk about something intelligent for once other then friggn gaming. Most people have lives, work jobs. Gaming is only a hobby/pastime. You make it seem like all you do is gaming. Such focus on gaming must mean you are young or probably a teenager.
Project IRON FIST initiated . You are just so obvious at trolling about apple in an Android forum. At least be discreet about it.
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I knew your name looked familiar.
This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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you gave me a thank for calling you a troll... uh.. mmk. ur just contradicting yourself. but fyi the processor makes a different in the gpu load and performance, everything put together does, ram included
Come on, give it a break already. There are already benchmarks out there. iPad 2 has faster GPU, while the Prime has a faster CPU.
I'm glad you are enjoying your iPad games, but most gamers are too busy playing Skyrim to care.
Oh? zedklind I thought you posted because you wanted a cookie...
You sure didnt have anything informative to say so I figured you just wanted a pat on the back or something, my bad...
Gaming on the Prime still looks very impressive
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-trans...games-bladeslinger-glowball-chidori-06200431/
I see in games that they offer more details in tegra 3 games than in ipad games. So developers of games think that tegra is faster and more capable.
Sent from me...
Thats is what I am hoping for, but i just hope that the android platform doesnt scare alot of developers away...
Being so easy to just download any .apk file and intall it (expecially when any android device can do this right out of the box stock) without having to pay anything for it isnt really going to bring in many top developers. I really hope ICS addresses this issue.
If they do fix the issue i see a birght future for tegra 3 and android, and it will mean lots of new great apps and games for us!
i was the first to make a thread about this but i still think graphics doesn't matter at all on tablets, theres only 1! game on the ipad2 that has graphics worthy of there GPU, and it doesnt sell nearly as well as any of the little crap games.
I hate any game on my ipad that had good graphics, they always figured a pretty picture was good enough. I had a jailbroken ipad so i played all the games, and the best and funnest games are always the well drawn games, the cartoony little games.
unless im missing the point here.
I think the point for me is that I am excited to get this device and I will probably casually play whatever games are developed for it. If those games are developed for this tablet in particular I assume they will work well with the hardware. If they don't, I won't buy them. This tablet will game. That much has been proven. Now let's see if anybody will develop anything for it.
On a lighter note, I personally don't need my tablet to be able to whip out its di..ahem...GPU and be bigger than everybody else's in the room. That said I don't want it to attempt that feat and end up with the tiniest little button peni...um GPU... in the room either. But we already know that isn't going to happen.
All that said I will just be happy to get a firm..ahem...solid...um..definite release date.
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
The Janitor Mop said:
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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Like I said in the OP, at home i play on my gaming PC or gaming console but while I am at work or out of town I like to play games on my tablet, I would never expect my tablet to be on par with my gaming PC or 360... And lugging around a 360 or gaming PC everywhere I go would be a pain.
I'm talking about portable gaming devices... you know, psp,dsi,vita.
Most people (i assume) are getting the prime because it has the latest Nvidia tegra 3 GPU which is made for gaming, any other tablet can browse the web, watch movies or play music.
So far I am hearing good things about tegra 3 and its future that nvidia is working hard on. Now we just need more game developers and app developers. Nvidia did their part and now its up to google and ICS to make a good home for developers in the future.
And i dont want to show off that my tablet has a bigger dong than someone elses but rather I would like to know it has the latest and most future proof dong currently available. That way i dont have to go out and buy a new dong every year... :x
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
Synthetic benchmarks will never be useful to compare anything... Especially not on different OS platforms...
People need to get away from all this benchmark thing...
Btw I really doubt that there is a single game out there that maxes the Tegra 2. It's not about Tegra's lack of performance but about missing developers...
The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
The iPad 2 is more "futur proof" when it comes to games not because of performance but because of the plateform. There hardly won't be any game worthwhile that will be on Android but not on iOS. But there will be some games only on iOS.
The Tegra 3 is overall at the same level of performance than the A5 in the ipad2 but it doesn't means you can compare the two devices.
Tegra 3 is the most future proof you'll get for Android, nvidia is pushing games for it, you'll have exclusivity and games specifically design for it.
The real question is do you want iOS or Android ?
If your choice is base on games and games only (wich is weird because, honestly, games on mobile plateform aren't worth buying an expensive device only for them) then go for iOS, right now, that's where you'll get the best games.
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The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
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You can't compare Sense device to something else It's not their drivers or what it's just Sense overall...
Sense is the biggest piece of crap code i've ever seen And yet it's so beautiful and I don't want to miss it...
Just have a look at the smali code of for example Rosie... It's absolutely horrible There is not a single reason why this thing shouldn't be slow.
Even with a Tegra 3 (-->HTC Edge) Sense will be laggy
But yes, your point of view is correct. It all comes down to optimisation of the OS...
I hope ASUS put a lot more develoment time in ICS than they did with HC
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In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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I tried to make the same point before. There are hardly any ipad 2 optimized games only. They are all identical except for a few. Those few only have very minor upgrades. Nothing night and day different although ipad2 supposed to be 9x faster/more powerful.
I just hope developement for tegra3 picks up alot of support all across the board. We need more tablet only apps and games optimized for tegra3. I just heard ipad is getting microsoft office in feb. 2012. I really hope this comes to android also asap. Tegra3 has tons of potential. I really hope the developers take advantage of it and we see some high grade topnotch software.
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A lot of this is starting to feel connected to the tegra3.
So, my guess is the ones that rebooted needed more voltage and could not deal with switching cpu's on and off.
So now that we have all 4 on all the time, the ones that can't handle that are showing flaws.
To me it seems like this could be a manufacturing issue with the tegra3.
I'm sure some of the issues could be ICS+tegra3 as well.
Is there someplace that has info on the tegra3? Not many devices have it yet.
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A lot of this is starting to feel connected to the tegra3.
So, my guess is the ones that rebooted needed more voltage and could not deal with switching cpu's on and off.
So now that we have all 4 on all the time, the ones that can't handle that are showing flaws.
To me it seems like this could be a manufacturing issue with the tegra3.
I'm sure some of the issues could be ICS+tegra3 as well.
Is there someplace that has info on the tegra3? Not many devices have it yet.
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I've been saying for at least a month now this is all because of hardware and manufacturing differences with the processor. In other words everyone is screwed because this is not something where software can just magically make all of the Primes play nice which they already proved with the latest update it fixed some Primes with original lockup issue while borking ones that were perfectly fine..... not only that they are degrading our battery life severely trying to get the firmware to play nice with all the Primes this is a losing battle mass recall is the only real fix at this point.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-superchip.html
http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/nvidia-tegra-3-what-you-need-to-know-1039584
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...-fifth-core-that-helps-increase-battery-life/
I agree completely. Do you see any other Tegra 3 tabs on the market? Nope. The nearest android tablet coming out is the Toshiba Excite X10, which is an older OMAP 4430 dual-core running @ 1.2GHz (which is undeniably stable). But I don't think its Tegra 3 alone.
A lot of the issues we see with lockups/reboots/battery issues could be how ICS and the apps deal with Tegra 3. But I'm speculating...
Do we have any way of knowing if it's falling back to the 5th low power core? Seems like it's staying with the other 4 on at 475mhz, meaning it does not swap to the 5th core.
I found this as well:
"NVIDIA handles all of the core juggling through its own firmware. Depending on the level of performance Android requests, NVIDIA will either enable the companion core or one or more of the four remaining A9s. The transition should be seamless to the OS"
So was this "fix" ASUS or did it come from NVIDIA? If so then something is broken.
It definitely was nvidia. We wonder why no other tablet is experiencing this problem. Prime is the only one with Tegra 3!
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Do we have any way of knowing if it's falling back to the 5th low power core? Seems like it's staying with the other 4 on at 475mhz, meaning it does not swap to the 5th core.
I found this as well:
"NVIDIA handles all of the core juggling through its own firmware. Depending on the level of performance Android requests, NVIDIA will either enable the companion core or one or more of the four remaining A9s. The transition should be seamless to the OS"
So was this "fix" ASUS or did it come from NVIDIA? If so then something is broken.
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It was from them both bit nothing to loose sleep over. They will be releasing another update soon to revert back to lower speeds. But this issue wasn't new to latest update. The lowest speeds have been raised since .11 update. The raised lower speeds is not the main contributor to excessive battery drain. Something else is at play and causing excessive CPU use and not allowing prime to stay in deep sleep for extended periods of time. Its being discussed in battery drain thread that has me, lock n load, buthx, and g37 discussing it with hard data to back up some claims.
Well it could be worse... at least the Tegra3 is not in my car!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nv...nt-and-digital-instrument-clusters-2012-01-11
Another trogdor thread....
People.... come on... just cause a bunch of people who have issues with their prime assemble on XDA doesn't mean that the entire prime is useless. i'm pretty positive that 80%+ is happy with the prime.
Besides, a lot of people have been experiencing the lock-ups since the new firmware updates. (so doesn't seem like a hardware issue imo)
SexyAndIKnowIt said:
Another trogdor thread....
People.... come on... just cause a bunch of people who have issues with their prime assemble on XDA doesn't mean that the entire prime is useless. i'm pretty positive that 80%+ is happy with the prime.
Besides, a lot of people have been experiencing the lock-ups since the new firmware updates. (so doesn't seem like a hardware issue imo)
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Actually the lockups started with ICS the Primes effected at that time were fixed with 1.13 and now Primes that were perfectly fine are muffed this definitely IS hardware.
What other tab is running ICS? The only ICS/quad core/tegra 3 tablet is the prime. The argument "no other tab is having these problems" is irrelevant. There is no good comparison. Asus promised an update this month and I still expect it.
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I couldnt disagree more! If it was a hardware problem it would have been a problem the whole time even with Honeycomb. I'm sure they will get it right soon. Basicly when Asus updates they need to do a better job of wiping out the old software before the new is programmed in, as a lot us that did 2 or 3 factory reset after the upgrade saw our problems go away. You should also do a factory reset and a cold boot just before upgrading.
The Good
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed
The Bad and the Ugly
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
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G37 said:
A lot of the issues we see with lockups/reboots/battery issues could be how ICS and the apps deal with Tegra 3. But I'm speculating...
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Dianne Hackborn, a Google engineer, has actually commented on the differences between HC and ICS and Google's roll in adapting to different processors. On the former, she said there's no low-level changes between HC and ICS; HC is the base for ICS. On the latter, she said Google doesn't adjust or tune the OS on a per SoC basis. It's up to the manufacturer to create any unique bridge code that's necessary. If you think it would help, Google her and ask her any questions you might have via G+. She's also joined certain threads before.
BarryH_GEG said:
The Good
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed
The Bad and the Ugly
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
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Dianne Hackborn, a Google engineer, has actually commented on the differences between HC and ICS and Google's roll in adapting to different processors. On the former, she said there's no low-level changes between HC and ICS; HC is the base for ICS. On the latter, she said Google doesn't adjust or tune the OS on a per SoC basis. It's up to the manufacturer to create any unique bridge code that's necessary. If you think it would help, Google her and ask her any questions you might have via G+. She's also joined certain threads before.
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-A quote from the bad n ugly link. Its in the comments that stuck out very loud n clear on Semi-Accurate Anti-Nvidia bias
NeelyCam Nov 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm #
My guess is that Charlie is quite a bit off target (as he tends to be with NVidia, with Bumpgate being THE exception).
“According to numbers shown to SemiAccurate, basically every upcoming competitor beats Tegra 3, most by wide margins.”
Yeah, because they’ll be A15 and on 28nm. The problem is, they are 28nm and they aren’t here yet… 28nm yield issues most certainly don’t speed up the introduction of these chips. “On track” my ass.
Last time with Tegra2, NVidia chip was THE game in town for a really long time before others got their act together, and released their own dual A9 chips. And Charlie is a fool if he’s saying Tegra2 was a failure, when instead it was a huge success.
Now, Tegra3 is out well before others (again) AND it doesn’t take a risk with 28nm process/yield failure. My guess is that it will again be a six-month success story before Krait starts yielding well enough.
Dear readers (and analysts alike) – try to see through Charlie’s incomprehensible anti-NVidia bias.
-Another well put comment:
Max Nov 9, 2011 at 6:17 pm #
Terrible article. Tegra 3 is pretty good. I had a hands on with the Transformer Prime and it was very good. I expect ICS will bring further optimisations and use of the extra cores too. The power gating function means it is rated at 13h battery life, that’s pretty damn good.
You are a one man smear machine Charlie, it’s time for you to stop these hatchet jobs on Nvidia because they killed your dog and ate it rebel style. Give up man. Life is too short to hold these types of grudges, what will you be saying when Kal-El 2 comes out at 28nm and it is super competitive and low power? Same rubbish or new rubbish. Seriously, get some perspective on all of this, you are ruining the website with this rubbish because you can’t get serious news or insight on Nvidia because you have some kind of first option on all Nvidia articles and they are all full of crap.
-This one puts everything into perspective thinkn other companies will have the upper hand..lol;
Noone Nov 14, 2011 at 5:34 pm #
I just don’t think nVidia can come in an supplant the ARM chip makers that have been in this space for 15+ years. Qualacomm has more than a decade experience building chips for this market AND they understand the market from almost every aspect.
Yes, even Silicon Graphics was a monster in graphics market but was blown away by nvidia. You forget that being on the market for 15+ years does not help when you cannot innovate as fast as a new competitor. nvidia came with a dual core ARM 18 months before anyone else. Everyone said it was useless to have 2 cores on phones. Now everyone is making dual core SoCs and try to put them in tablets (which were not existing when Tegra2 was presented, that is even before the iPad). nvidia is now out with a quad core design. Yes, it is on 40nm, but some competitor has still not shown in their roadmap a quadcore SoC. nvidia competitors rely on 3rd party GPUs improvements, made by players that have been relegated into mobile market since they were born. nvidia dominates the professional graphics market and knows how to build really powerful GPUs competitors can just dream. Ask yourself why there’s not a big SGX GPUs as complex as a Fermi/Cypress if their architecture is so much better. Simply because not everyone is able to design so complex architectures even though they have a winning part. When you scale up, you have to know how not to make the chip melt down. SGX MP+ GPUs are great, but they are huge (and really huge) and hot. nvidia final target are not smartphones. Qualcomm and TI may be happy to end in that market segment, seen their limited design capacities. nvidia target are much more powerful SoCs that can be used outside mobile market. They are passing through the mobile market, will leave some product there (that’s why they bought Icera) but they will go on on beyond that. Quad core, eight core, more and more powerful and power angry SoC will be created. Not all them will be able to compete in the mobile market for power consumption. But nvidia is and probably will be the first one to introduce new design in the ARM market pushing it in new markets (mids, netbook, notebooks, low end desktops and up). Competition has nothing to give to producers till 28nm transition is complete, and that will happen in few months. At that point they’ll be happy producing their dual core 28nm SoCs while nvidia will come with quad core Cortex-A15 and a completely new GPU design.
When competition will be able with quad cores, nvidia will be one generation ahead. If you have not understood, or you were too young/sleeping at that time see what happened since Riva128 was presented. A no stop innovation made of small steps every 6 months till the competition died just after the first GeForce was announced: none could keep nvidia innovation pace, neither ATI which was saved by AMD before bankruptcy. That market could sustain a 6 month upgrade rate. The mobile probably a little slower pace. But you can see 15+ years actors in this market have 18-24 months design cycles, which is really too slow, even though they come with great design when they arrive (too late).
There are no words Charlie can say about how good/bad Tegra3 is against a no present competition. If you want more power in an ARM SoC you need Tegra3. There are not alternatives up to now and for the next 6-8 months. If you want to stay with the competition, you just can keep using 1 or 2 cores again for a few months. You can make money as well, but you will lose the 15+ market leading position, that is mobile market development and progress will be in the hand of someone else and all you can do is following the trail.
demandarin said:
A quote from the bad n ugly link.
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I know you hate that article. But if you take off your rose colored glasses, even by eliminating the anti-Nvidia opinion of the author, he explains the architecture, compromises, and risks well. It's ironic that one of the biggest risks he pointed out appears to be happening. That's Nvidia having to tinker with the s/w that controls the various cores to meet both their performance and battery saving goals. You can still love something and admit it has faults. Is your wife or partner faultless? Mine's sure not but I'd make the same decision again.
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I know you hate that article. But if you take off your rose colored glasses, even by eliminating the anti-Nvidia opinion of the author, he explains the architecture, compromises, and risks well. It's ironic that one of the biggest risks he pointed out appears to be happening. That's Nvidia having to tinker with the s/w that controls the various cores to meet both their performance and battery saving goals. You can still love something and admit it has faults. Is your wife or partner faultless? Mine's sure not but I'd make the same decision again.
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Of course it has faults. Just like anything else. But in this business you have to be a risk taker and come with something new and innovating. That's why apple is the monster it is now, for the most part. Apple loved tl make things already created even better but still innovating in alot of aspects. I still it was a good move on Nvidia part. This quad core / 5 core is all brand new. That's why they have patent pending on that software technology nvidia uses that allows the cores to communicate in such a fashion. Its a risk that will yells great results sooner than you think.
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Of course it has faults. Just like anything else. But in this business you have to be a risk taker and come with something new and innovating. That's why apple is the monster it is now, for the most part. Apple loved tl make things already created even better but still innovating in alot of aspects. I still it was a good move on Nvidia part. This quad core / 5 core is all brand new. That's why they have patent pending on that software technology nvidia uses that allows the cores to communicate in such a fashion. Its a risk that will yells great results sooner than you think.
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Barry looks like he didn't understand you lol.......
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Barry looks like he didn't understand you lol.......
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^^^^^^^^This guy^^^^^^^^^
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Yes, even Silicon Graphics was a monster in graphics market but was blown away by nvidia. You forget that being on the market for 15+ years does not help when you cannot innovate as fast as a new competitor. nvidia came with a dual core ARM 18 months before anyone else. Everyone said it was useless to have 2 cores on phones. Now everyone is making dual core SoCs and try to put them in tablets (which were not existing when Tegra2 was presented, that is even before the iPad). nvidia is now out with a quad core design. Yes, it is on 40nm, but some competitor has still not shown in their roadmap a quadcore SoC. nvidia competitors rely on 3rd party GPUs improvements, made by players that have been relegated into mobile market since they were born. nvidia dominates the professional graphics market and knows how to build really powerful GPUs competitors can just dream. Ask yourself why there’s not a big SGX GPUs as complex as a Fermi/Cypress if their architecture is so much better. Simply because not everyone is able to design so complex architectures even though they have a winning part. When you scale up, you have to know how not to make the chip melt down. SGX MP+ GPUs are great, but they are huge (and really huge) and hot. nvidia final target are not smartphones. Qualcomm and TI may be happy to end in that market segment, seen their limited design capacities. nvidia target are much more powerful SoCs that can be used outside mobile market. They are passing through the mobile market, will leave some product there (that’s why they bought Icera) but they will go on on beyond that. Quad core, eight core, more and more powerful and power angry SoC will be created. Not all them will be able to compete in the mobile market for power consumption. But nvidia is and probably will be the first one to introduce new design in the ARM market pushing it in new markets (mids, netbook, notebooks, low end desktops and up). Competition has nothing to give to producers till 28nm transition is complete, and that will happen in few months. At that point they’ll be happy producing their dual core 28nm SoCs while nvidia will come with quad core Cortex-A15 and a completely new GPU design.
When competition will be able with quad cores, nvidia will be one generation ahead. If you have not understood, or you were too young/sleeping at that time see what happened since Riva128 was presented. A no stop innovation made of small steps every 6 months till the competition died just after the first GeForce was announced: none could keep nvidia innovation pace, neither ATI which was saved by AMD before bankruptcy. That market could sustain a 6 month upgrade rate. The mobile probably a little slower pace. But you can see 15+ years actors in this market have 18-24 months design cycles, which is really too slow, even though they come with great design when they arrive (too late).
There are no words Charlie can say about how good/bad Tegra3 is against a no present competition. If you want more power in an ARM SoC you need Tegra3. There are not alternatives up to now and for the next 6-8 months. If you want to stay with the competition, you just can keep using 1 or 2 cores again for a few months. You can make money as well, but you will lose the 15+ market leading position, that is mobile market development and progress will be in the hand of someone else and all you can do is following the trail.
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Can you tell me how Nvidia is dominating professional graphics market? Dominating as in RIGHT NOW.. I'm sure AMD/ATI enthusiast will disagree.
Adreno GPU (developed by Qualcomm in-house), and Mali GPU.. (developed in house by Samsung)... Only Apple & TI uses 3rd party GPU from PowerVR (granted.. Samsung recently got some license from PowerVR and Sony uses PowerVR in PS Vita).
And by roadmap.. do you mean plans? I'm sure Krait is quadcore, same with Apple A6...
Or did you mean by roadmap with devices from OEM?? I'm sure we'll find out more in MWC..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5118/qualcomm-announces-a-bunch-of-krait-based-snapdragon-s4-socs
"I'm not sure how much competition Krait will see until OMAP 5 devices show up in the latter part of 2012, unless Apple decides to put out a Cortex A15 A6 SoC earlier. NVIDIA has already shown its hand with Tegra 3, and Wayne won't show up until late next year as well."
So, we won't see Nvidia's 28nm quad core til later(or possibly next yr)...of which, it might be behind Apple, Qualcomm, TI... or at least in line with Krait & OMAP 5 launch.
And until we see some actual comparison between Qualcomm 28nm dual core & Samsung's A-15 SoC Exynos (which is just around the corner).... I'll hold my judgement on how it compares to Tegra 3.
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Barry looks like he didn't understand you lol.......
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No, this is a particularly sensitive issue for him and I get that. I'm not trying to put down Nvidia, they deserve huge credit for the innovation they've applied in the mobile market. But, they've gone 180 degrees in another direction from their competitors with Teg3 and it’s yet to be proven whether that was the right decision. Leaving out NEON in Teg2 was certainly not a great decision and one they made in deference to time to market. It's odd that, as of now (February), there aren't any other Teg3 devices in production or even imminent (next 60 days). Unless there are some big Teg3-based devices announced at MWC it would appear manufactures may be a little skeptical too.
In product management the success (or failure) of a product is measured in years not months. While we all wait eagerly for the "next big thing" manufacturers weigh short-term gains vs. long-term success with $’s trumping all. With everyone having equal access to Teg3, Asus being first may have been a choice intentionally made by their competitors. Like so many things with the Prime, only time will tell.
Nvidia just announced at least 5 new Tegra3 optimized titles that look pretty impressive. this is good news as more apps n games will come out geared specifically for the extra power of Tegra3. with at least 11 new tegra3 devices already announced, the app/game production is about to ramp up for Tegra3 only/optimized titles. check it out
www.androidcentral.com/nvidia-announces-new-tegra-3-optimized-titles-redefines-mobile-gaming
www.droidgamers.com/index.php/game-...eils-four-more-upcoming-tegra-3-android-games
that new Diablo Style role playing game called Dark Kingdom THD looks sick and uses Nvidia's PhysX also for realism. A PS3 port
edit: just found out dark kingdom THD is a PS3 port www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/nv...-4-episode-2-exclusively-for-tegra-3-devices/
another great looking game coming to Android soon. this looks sick! www.droidgamers.com/index.php/game-...rail-of-ibn-battuta-will-be-coming-to-android
Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta
I'll probably get Sonic, Golden Arrow and Dark Kingdom.
hairdewx said:
I'll probably get Sonic, Golden Arrow and Dark Kingdom.
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same here. its great to have Tegra3 only/exclusive titles. tegra3 games are the best. if you look at the comments section of that article you can see everyone crying that they mad they can't play tegra3 games on their old hardware/different chipset. lmao. this is just one of the many perks of owning a tegra3 device. can't wait to get that splashtop THD also.
that Hamilton's Great Adventure looks cool also. a puzzle type/thinking game. its basically an exact PC port of the game and uses Bitsquid's DirectX11 engine technology in it.
these titles and ones already on the market or coming out is a big reason Tegra3 standouts amongst all the other chipsets. no one else has the hard hitting exclusive titles like we do. there's even rumors of Sony n nvidia bringing official PlayStation 1 & 2 games to tegra3. Sony wants some of this tablet market app/game money also in addition to their vita system. I hope it goes through. get to play some Tony Hawk Pro Skater or other titles. tekken4 would be sick.
demandarin said:
get to play some Tony Hawk Pro Skater or other titles. tekken4 would be sick.
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Tony hawk works just great on fpse psx emulator ;-)
Yea, they look pretty good. It's a shame that tablet controller scheme is annoying as hell to actually enjoy the gameplay. I hate carrying around extra device (such as controller) with my tablet... thus, I rely on tablet controls for games... but it's sluggish and painfully annoying.. =/
I have yet to beat Shadowgun for exactly the same reason.. =/
demandarin said:
that Hamilton's Great Adventure looks cool also. a puzzle type/thinking game. its basically an exact PC port of the game and uses DirectX11 engine technology in it.
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Wait, since when the hell does Android ship the necessary software material for that? Using DirectX requires more than just hardware support.
The Android Central article says it was adapted from Bitsquid's DirectX 11 engine[sic], not that the game developer ported DirectX 11 and Bitsquid to Android just to sell a THD game. Do you really know what you're talking about? They likely just licensed whatever they needed for the Android version of the engine and adapted their product to the new platform.
Bitsquid is a multi-platform game engine. It already claims to support Android since Q4/2011. If you actually paid attention you would also know that like virtually every multi-platform game engine, the render is abstracted away and you use a back end that implements it. I.e. on a Windows 7 box you'll probably get DirectX11 in the default configuration, on an XBox 360 you'll get its notion of DirectX 9, and on Android you'll see OpenGL ES. DirectX 11 and OpenGL ES are different enough that you don't just "Adapt" it unless your game already looks like a tutorial on doing 3D graphics. It's also worth noting that many commercial products only support Direct X on Windows builds, even if the engine has an OpenGL backend, the developers might skip it or the engine vendor might not have it ported to Microsoft's Windows.
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Wait, since when the hell does Android ship the necessary software material for that? Using DirectX requires more than just hardware support.
The Android Central article says it was adapted from Bitsquid's DirectX 11 engine[sic], not that the game developer ported DirectX 11 and Bitsquid to Android just to sell a THD game. Do you really know what you're talking about? They likely just licensed whatever they needed for the Android version of the engine and adapted their product to the new platform.
Bitsquid is a multi-platform game engine. It already claims to support Android since Q4/2011. If you actually paid attention you would also know that like virtually every multi-platform game engine, the render is abstracted away and you use a back end that implements it. I.e. on a Windows 7 box you'll probably get DirectX11 in the default configuration, on an XBox 360 you'll get its notion of DirectX 9, and on Android you'll see OpenGL ES. DirectX 11 and OpenGL ES are different enough that you don't just "Adapt" it unless your game already looks like a tutorial on doing 3D graphics. It's also worth noting that many commercial products only support Direct X on Windows builds, even if the engine has an OpenGL backend, the developers might skip it or the engine vendor might not have it ported to Microsoft's Windows.
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still what I said, minus the extra b.s. and unnecessary stuff you mentioned. its nothing new what you said. so what it uses Bitsquid DirectX 11 engine. game still using Directx11...plus not every platform has hardware to push it to full limits like Tegra3.
so regardless, a great looking game.
I tried the Splastop HD, and it's fantastic. . . for in-network use. I didn't give it much thought, but naturally the .5 and 1 Mb/s upload speeds offered in my area do not offer any kind of usability with remote desktop software. Such a shame, was so fun playing around with.
Yes, keeping a controller handy is kind of a pain, but using the touchscreen is so much worse IMO
It's why I can't enjoy Dead Space or Samurai II: Vengeance, touch-controls drive me up the wall; and they look so good . Accellerometer can be fun to use, but generally is too finicky for me even with sensitivity set low.
I especially hate (although it feels the most responsive to me) Minecraft PE without h/w keyboard/controller support.
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still what I said, minus the extra b.s. and unnecessary stuff you mentioned. its nothing new what you said. so what it uses Bitsquid DirectX 11 engine. game still using Directx11...plus not every platform has hardware to push it to full limits like Tegra3.
so regardless, a great looking game.
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You don't understand. It's using DirectX on Windows PCs not on Android.
That the game engine uses DirectX11 on Windows PC does not matter a hill of beans to our Tegra 3 powered Android tablet. Not unless someone implements a DirectX11 software stack for Android and only Microsoft legally can do that. At best any of the "Eye candy" features worth a THD tag that are going to relevant with an engine like Bitsquid or this game are going to involve Shaders. Ditto for good looking and professional games in general. The shader technology of DirectX and OpenGL (and therefore Android) are incompatible. Spanish and French are far more compatible. Bitsquid likely pushes nVida's C for Graphics (Cg) toolset for that, which is something that abstracts away much of that so you do more tweaking and less really-really-expensive-re-writing that no THD can warrant the cost of doing. Many engines like Bitsquid encourage this so that you don't require DirectX anything to make a great looking game, except when running the game on a DirectX platform like the XBox 360 or Windows PCs.
There fore, DirectX is only relevant to this topic when for example the game is looking great on your Windows PC. It does _NOT_ impact whether the game looks like **** or the best thing ever released for Android/Tegra 3! So stop talking about it like this "DirectX 11" does make a difference to what product we see. See my point? Unless you want to say that it does use DirectX 11 on Android, and remove all doubt....
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The first one looks like that glu game (eternity warriors i think?). Glu may have ruined that style of gameplay for me. Still holding off for Da Vinci
demandarin said:
Nvidia just announced at least 5 new Tegra3 optimized titles that look pretty impressive. this is good news as more apps n games will come out geared specifically for the extra power of Tegra3. with at least 11 new tegra3 devices already announced, the app/game production is about to ramp up for Tegra3 only/optimized titles. check it out
www.androidcentral.com/nvidia-announces-new-tegra-3-optimized-titles-redefines-mobile-gaming
www.droidgamers.com/index.php/game-...eils-four-more-upcoming-tegra-3-android-games
that new Diablo Style role playing game called Dark Kingdom THD looks sick and uses Nvidia's PhysX also for realism. A PS3 port
edit: just found out dark kingdom THD is a PS3 port www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/nv...-4-episode-2-exclusively-for-tegra-3-devices/
another great looking game coming to Android soon. this looks sick! www.droidgamers.com/index.php/game-...rail-of-ibn-battuta-will-be-coming-to-android
Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta
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Thank you for posting this, those games look absolutely fantastic. Thanks to you Good sir.
I agree with Demandarin. Tegra 3 exclusive optimization is one of the reasons I'm not going to be too upset when the rest of the tablets this year start launching with newer, better chipsets.
Though this chipset-exclusive fragmentation is ultimately terrible for Android, I can't help but be glad I'm on the better side of it. If there's one thing Nvidia's going to do it's get great games.
Additionally, I expect almost all of these games will have native gamepad support. I think Android & Nvidia are going to make a huge push this year to showcase Tegra3 devices as a legitimate console competitor, almost in a different realm entirely than the mobile gaming currently throned by iOS.
I agree with whoever said they can't wait for Renaissasnce. I love me some multiplayer FPS.
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You don't understand. It's using DirectX on Windows PCs not on Android.
That the game engine uses DirectX11 on Windows PC does not matter a hill of beans to our Tegra 3 powered Android tablet. Not unless someone implements a DirectX11 software stack for Android and only Microsoft legally can do that. At best any of the "Eye candy" features worth a THD tag that are going to relevant with an engine like Bitsquid or this game are going to involve Shaders. Ditto for good looking and professional games in general. The shader technology of DirectX and OpenGL (and therefore Android) are incompatible. Spanish and French are far more compatible. Bitsquid likely pushes nVida's C for Graphics (Cg) toolset for that, which is something that abstracts away much of that so you do more tweaking and less really-really-expensive-re-writing that no THD can warrant the cost of doing. Many engines like Bitsquid encourage this so that you don't require DirectX anything to make a great looking game, except when running the game on a DirectX platform like the XBox 360 or Windows PCs.
There fore, DirectX is only relevant to this topic when for example the game is looking great on your Windows PC. It does _NOT_ impact whether the game looks like **** or the best thing ever released for Android/Tegra 3! So stop talking about it like this "DirectX 11" does make a difference to what product we see. See my point? Unless you want to say that it does use DirectX 11 on Android, and remove all doubt....
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I see what you saying now. plus I never made no big deal over it. only mentioned exactly what the article said. I'm only relaying what they said. which is perfectly fair to say, since article said it. that's unless you didn't go to link I posted that mentions that in there about that game.
so write the people who wrote it n break it down for them..lol not the messenger
what happened to that da vinici thd which was supposed to be out in february? i dont even see it in tegra zone for some strange reason
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what happened to that da vinici thd which was supposed to be out in february? i dont even see it in tegra zone for some strange reason
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I know right. lets hope its about to come out now and about to put up the finished game ready for purchase.
Eh, I'd say the article was saying adapted from an engine that does and you were implying the game is using it rather than reiterating, but whatever, peace man
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For all things Tegra4.
Early reports from MWC confirmed first Tegra4 chips-Multicore 28nm A15 Cortex chips(I think it may have 8 cores) have been stamped in December and already in hands of OEM for testing and use. With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP. with chips like Qualcomm S4, apple new chip, and Samsung Exynos, Nvidia is coming with all guns blazing to stay ahead of everyone. A version of Tegra4 codename Grey will eventually be released with built in LTE radio. this came from the assimilation of Icera. ill even admit, with tegra3 not currently having an LTE or built in radio, it might be overlooked by some companies if they want to make a data connection model. not all companies make those tablets so Tegra3 will still have a very large footprint of tablet devices as already seen from what's been announced at MWC and before. at least 11 devices so far will use the tegra3 chip.
with the competition getting fierce Nvidia is looking to stand strong behind the Tegra brand. So be on the look out in this thread for latest Tegra4/Wayne/Grey info and specs.
www.extremetech.com/computing/120201-why-nvidia-will-rush-to-tegra-4-as-fast-as-it-can
I will update this OP with Tegra4 news and specs. can't wait to see how much more powerful this puppy is than what's currently out or coming out.
until OP is updated with more Tegra4 news, here is a very good read for all you tech heads. Huge breakthroughs are about to be reached in CPU scaling and mobile computing.
FUTURE OF CPU SCALING: EXPLORING OPTIONS ON THE CUTTING EDGE
www.extremetech.com/extreme/120353-the-future-of-cpu-scaling-exploring-options-on-the-cutting-edge
More info: around October 2012 release @ earliest for Wayne/second most powerful version
1)Confirmation first version of Tegra4 will be 28nm Quad core A15 Cortex CPU @ 1.5Ghz and will have a 24 Core high powered GPU
2)SECOND version of tegra4 will be alot more powerful than the first. It will have no less than a 8 core CPU and have between a 32-64 Core GPU which will be DirectX compliant and more high standards. Look at screenshots for details
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UPDATE 3/30/2012: Tegra4 will more than likely be Keplar based. All indications point to it.
Some details and facts on the matter:
-" Nvidia’s Tegra 4, codenamed Wayne, included assertions that Nvidia’s next-gen SoC will use a Kepler-derived graphics core. That’s probably true, but the implications are considerably wider than a simple boost to the chip’s graphics performance. Tegra 4, also known as T40, could very well be a fundamental game-changer for Nvidia and the most important Tegra product to date"
-Improved Game Performance:
" The GPU that powers Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 has a fixed number of pixel and vertex shaders and is much more closely related to GeForce 7-era products than the Unified Shader Architecture Nvidia debuted with the G80 (GeForce 8). When Nvidia describes T2 & 3 as “fully programmable,” it’s true — but it’s not at all the same as being DirectCompute/CUDA/OpenCL-compatible. Current Tegra products are capable of running complex shader programs, but not the general-purpose code that makes things like PhysX or GPGPU calculations possible"
Unifying of Shader Architecture
-" GPUs with a Unified Shader Architecture (all Nvidia products from G80 onwards) have two advantages over their fixed-function cousins. First, they’re more efficient. A fixed-function GPU’s performance can vary considerably from game to game depending on whether a title emphasizes pixel shading or model geometry; this is quite visible when comparing performance between Tegra 2/3 and the SGX 544. A Kepler-based GPU would be much more flexible, able to allocate its execution resources to process either workload. This can indirectly lead to decreased power usage — a wide array of more efficient stream processors doesn’t necessarily need to run at nearly as high a clockspeed as a fixed-function chip.
Second, and arguably more important, is their ability to handle functions that would normally be processed on the CPU. This is where we expect T40 to come into its own."
-" As a software SDK for physics calculation, Nvidia’s PhysX solution has been quite successful; it’s used in nearly 400 games across consoles and PCs"
Tegra4 Goes Beyond Gaming
-" Tegra 4 also gives Nvidia a fresh platform with which to bundle its Icera modem and DirectTouch products. Its Icera product family is a set of softmodems for LTE and WiFi, while DirectTouch is technology that “improves touch responsiveness by offloading some of the touch processing that is typically performed by touch controllers and touch modules onto the Nvidia Tegra 3 application processor [Companion Core]. The architecture also simplifies the implementation of touch based hardware and user interfaces, requiring less power while delivering more scalable performance.”
Speaking of the Companion Core, Tegra 4 will almost certainly include an enhanced version of the architecture. With Tegra 3, Nvidia chose to build an array of five Cortex-A9 cores — in Tegra 4, the company could opt to adopt the sort of hybrid strategy ARM introduced with big.LITTLE (Cortex-A15 cores for heavy lifting with a Cortex-A7 chip for low power) or use a hybrid A9/A15 arrangement"
-" A Kepler-based GPU will also likely improve Tegra 4′s video encode/decode capabilities as compared to Tegra 3. This is one area where the T2/T3 family is significantly more advanced than the GeForce 7-era hardware they resemble in other respects, but a GK104-derived chip could improve the situation further by either increasing power efficiency, supporting a wider variety of formats and standards, or providing an increased number of post-processing options"
-" Nvidia has always marketed CUDA as a capability that could exponentially increase performance, but the company’s efforts in this area have mostly been confined to scientific computing or high-end industrial applications" Opportunity for CUDA is in Tegra4
VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT HERE!
-" Nvidia can’t count on the Cortex-A15 as a differentiator, given that the likes of Samsung and Texas Instruments will have their own A15-based products out by the end of the year as well. Graphics are the logical area for Nvidia to emphasize; a mobile GPU based on Kepler would be far more advanced than anything currently offered by Imagination Technologies’ PowerVR, ARM’s Mali, or the aging Adreno core."
-" We expect the company will attempt to position Tegra 4 as a chip that can leverage its GPU in ways that are beyond its competition. If the hardware delivers and the software support is in place, it could give Nvidia a potent weapon against OMAP5, Exynos, and future Medfield products from Intel."
Source: Extreme Tech www.extremetech.com/computing/12433...could-revolutionize-smartphone-capabilities/2
updated OP with a great read on future of CPU technology, Scaling, etc.. for the tech heads who love this type of stuff.
2012 and the first half of 2013 are going to be interesting for Nvidia because their going to be battling some formidable competitors with Teg3. From the article the story was sourced from...
The silicon took some time to get back and the company is now starting to sample its OEM partners with the next generation parts which will be launched at the next years' CES and MWC. You can probably expect a repeat of the Tegra 3 launch - limited run of units through a single vendor (in case of Tegra 3, it was ASUS and Transformer Prime tablet), and mass availability in the second quarter of 2013.
MWC 2013 will also see the debut of Grey, a 28nm single-chip package which combines Cortex-A15 cores, the new GPU and the Icera 4G LTE baseband. Grey is a successor of T28, which is a dual-core Tegra 2 combined with an Icera 450 baseband chip. The Tegra+Icera debuted at the show in the form of ZTE Mimosa X smartphone.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/mwc-201...ra-4-to-oem-partners/15014.html#ixzz1njqVFXy0
demandarin said:
For all things Tegra4.
Early reports from MWC confirmed first Tegra4 chips-Multicore 28nm A15 Cortex chips(I think it may have 8 cores) have been stamped in December and already in hands of OEM for testing and use. With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP. with chips like Qualcomm S4, apple new chip, and Samsung Exynos, Nvidia is coming with all guns blazing to stay ahead of everyone. A version of Tegra4 codename Grey will eventually be released with built in LTE radio. this came from the assimilation of Icera. ill even admit, with tegra3 not currently having an LTE or built in radio, it might be overlooked by some companies if they want to make a data connection model. not all companies make those tablets so Tegra3 will still have a very large footprint of tablet devices as already seen from what's been announced at MWC and before. at least 11 devices so far will use the tegra3 chip.
with the competition getting fierce Nvidia is looking to stand strong behind the Tegra brand. So be on the look out in this thread for latest Tegra4/Wayne/Grey info and specs.
www.extremetech.com/computing/120201-why-nvidia-will-rush-to-tegra-4-as-fast-as-it-can
I will update this OP with Tegra4 news and specs. can't wait to see how much more powerful this puppy is than what's currently out or coming out.
until OP is updated with more Tegra4 news, here is a very good read for all you tech heads. Huge breakthroughs are about to be reached in CPU scaling and mobile computing.
FUTURE OF CPU SCALING: EXPLORING OPTIONS ON THE CUTTING EDGE
www.extremetech.com/extreme/120353-the-future-of-cpu-scaling-exploring-options-on-the-cutting-edge
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I'm actually surprised by the link. The author from Extremetech & VR-Zone both have.. or at least have pessimistic view toward Tegra...
For example, Extremetech is already pessimistic towards Tegra 3..
"Krait is a processing core that is unique to Qualcomm, and is designed to compete with Cortex-A15, not the older A9 used in Tegra 3. If this is indicative of what manufacturers can do with A15, OMAP5 and the revamped Exynos could also prove problematic for Nvidia’s Tegra 3"
Another quote from VR-Zone:
"unlike the roadmap which we have here, we've been told that there might be some delays for the T40 since NVIDIA has to attack Qualcomm Snapdragon, and if the company won't offer Tegra 4+Baseband - Qualcomm will get (most) of the design wins.
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Wordlywisewiz said:
Yes it was but he posts a thread every hour about how cool and awesome nvidia/asus/prime/tegra3/Tegra4 and links to news sources I mean find something better to do man
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Funny you would say that he should find something better to do
He's one of the only guys not whining and complaining like most people do in this forum... +1 from me and thx 4 the news.
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With all the hot competition going on now, Nvidia is speeding up the process to bring these to market ASAP.
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I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
BarryH_GEG said:
I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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Very well worded that's what I was getting at his threads tend to be very fan boyish and always lean towards the prime being the best... Usually fan boyness happens in other fourms like you should post stuff like this in ipad fourms
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demandarin said:
I partially agree but with all the other b.s. threads that has nothing to do with Prime, this will fit right in. plus there's a good chance Asus will use this chip since Asus claims to want to be first at things now. plus its related to Nvidia/tegra3. so its relevant
I'd suggest telling same thing to all the other non prime threads.
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Great... they couldn't get it right with the Prime so now they can blunder through & fiddle with a Tegra 4. "First at things"for Asus is proving to be half baked.
BarryH_GEG said:
I find the stuff you post to be interesting and don't mind it at all. And posting about Nvidia in general in the forum of a device powered by their chip is cool too. What drives me crazy is your one-sided and selective characterizations of what you post. Based on the title of your thread and quote above, two months ago I could have posted "Exynos 5250 is here!" because it was in sampling even though mass production isn't until Q2. You'd have been all over me for misrepresenting the data and rightfully so. Based on what you posted, Nvidia's going to be going up against some impressive SoCs from Samsung, TI, Qualcomm, Intel, and Huawei for the entire year and part of next year with nothing but Teg3. That to me was the most interesting part of what you posted even though I had to dig it out myself. And don't forget they were months late with Teg3 so "speeding up the process" is relative.
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Agreed. Mostly about the blind, unsubstantiated support of teg3/prime and never considering anything could be better or outperform it. I like the guy but the level of fanboi is the highest I have ever seen. We all like to support put devices and tout them as the best, but it gets to a level of pure insanity at times...
You guys wouldn't believe what showed up at my door again today. lol...Let me just say that some C2's have bluetooth and wifi fixed. But wifi range is still garbage.
I don't care what anyone says, Asus International rocks! Welcome me back guys.
Did you buy another prime? Or did they send you another free tablet?
PM sent......
Op updated with more Tegra4 info and facts. First version will be 28nm Quad Core A15 cortex CPU @ 1.5Ghz and 24 core GPU. Along with confirmation of second version having 8 core CPU and 32-64 core GPU. Projected October 2012 release date. Now this is something to wait for.
Major update in the OP. Just scroll down to 3/30/2012 update.
TEGRA4 WILL LIKELY BE KEPLAR BASED! I'm keeping prime until this releases. No other chip announced to come out will come close to this kind of power, capabilities, and potential. Nvidia looking to revolutionize the industry again. Tegra4 will be the chip to be excited and anxious for.
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
BuZzCoRe said:
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
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here's the thing, Samsungs new chip is not out yet and won't be for at least a couple to few more months. So that'll mean Nvidia tegra3 held the title of most powerful Android chip for at least half the year or more. so that's not shortly overtaken. plus when these other chips come out, Tegra4 will be also. Tegra4 said to release q4/fall of this year. So nvidia will overtake those again.
show me a Android chip out right now considered and shown to be more powerful than Tegra3 then ill be quiet. Show me a release date on a product using any Android chip more powerful than tegra3. There is none shown to come within a month or two or even 3. Tegra3 will have then been dominant chip for half the year or more. Market is already about to be flooded with more tegra3 based tablets. So these other chipmakers are actually behind the curve. not Nvidia.
as far as no since in increasing performance power when no proper software support, that's not on Nvidia, that has been the story of Android as a whole its whole life. I've always said its better for software optimation vs. constant hardware spec war. Since all android manufacturers want to continue the spec wars, then Nvidia is making sure to bring the big guns. Android marketing is a different beast than apples. Android focuses more on hardware specs and features. It'll be on Google and developers to bring the software up to speed.
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).
Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.
Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.
One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.
And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.
Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.
Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.
The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.
Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.
Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.
Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.
A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp
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Andreas527 said:
End of 2012 will be interesting, both the hardware news and software (W8).
Nice that it's coming faster hardware but what good does I makes when you don't can use it for any good. Is there any app that need more power then Tegra 3 provide? There isn't hardly any games out there that takes full advantage of all the hype around Tegra 3. All games that was said to come always being pushed forward in time.
Have always looked at the specifications and numbers on papper and like when there comes new hardware and stuff.. But for now I starting to feel that do we really need faster more powerful systems when we don't have any apps that can use it.
One thing were the extra power can come in handy is when browsing. But wtf we don't even have a good browser that give a stable and good experience.
And the main thing for tablets is just browsing.
Have had Galaxy Tab 7,Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all this devices felt like beta products and i was fine with it because it was all new ground. And I thought a part of all problems was the hardware and that the software needed some time. It have now been a year and I now own a Prime that is the best device so far, But still it feels like parts missing when the software doesn't keep up to the hardware. Must be hard for hardware manufacturer when they make good components that need to run a beta software.
Android tablets are big phones trying to be a PC and it don't do it very well. If Google don't step up I think W8 will have a good chance to succeed.
The move to make ICS for phones and tablets wasn't a good move.. I think it would been better to have one phone OS and one Tablet OS. All development of apps just make the phone apps scale to bigger screen and it don't look good.. Would been better if the developer needed to make it look good and not just make it work.
Interesting time a heads, But I think that we need better software before hardware and that's why I'm pretty sure that my next tablet will run W8.
Looking forward to have a real file manager and Microsoft Office.
Went a little off topic now. But was what I had in mind and only a little make sense, The rest is just nonsens in Bad English.
A article that I agree to on what he is writing and thinking about android apps on tablets.. You can skip the parts that is about Ipad..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401676,00.asp
Asus Prime & Tapatalk
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I agree completely. But since Android as a whole is stuck on throwing hardware specs around and being more powerful, we'll just roll with the punches then.
I've always said software is the key. Currently Im satisfied with android experience. I've already had the first Ipad for 2yrs. and experienced IOS. IMO Android is alot better and more productive. So i will be getting a tegra4 tablet once it does come. to me, only thing worth waiting for.
BuZzCoRe said:
To be honest each time Nvidia release a new chip it is overtaken shortly after... see samsung's new chip vis a vis tegra 3... so I disagree with your statement. also there is no point in increasing performance power if the software lacks proper support for it.
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Mobile SOC are one of the fastest moving industries in the tech world. A 4-6 month lead on release is HUGE because that is half the product cycle. I think Nvidia is doing a great job personally, but for them to get more design wins they have to be "in" the inner circle. Part of business is having a compelling product that is highly profitable and the other part is strictly relationship based.
This is the reason that my store in Virginia is slowly but surely taking off. We have a product that is better quality, 50% cheaper and have an industry leading return policy with a showroom that is LEAPS AND BOUNDS above what any competitors have to offer. With all that being said my employees are better trained and more knowledgeable.
BUT.... my competitors are still thriving.. Why? Because they have been the "big boys" on the block for the last 45 years and we have been here about 5..
Will our sales numbers over take theirs? Without a doubt, but it will take a while to "win" people over and establish our relationship with the community.
Assuming Intel or AMD doesnt get too serious about SOCs I think Nvidia will be a world leader, but it will take a bit to gain ground.
I for one think their 4 plus 1 architecture is brilliant. I would have liked to see a better GPU, but that will come. Fact of the matter is Tegra 3 is small, cheap, profitable, quick and drains not too much power for what it is capable of. THey just need to get their LTE chipset in line as that cost them a TON of business.
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Yep I have to agree about all this power & yet we lack on the software end of it.I may be looking at a tablet that Asus has with i think it's an I-5 or a I-7 processor in it.Yes it is a windows tablet & battery life isn't that good but the power & software are good.So if these Win 8 tablets or the new Tegra 4 isn't up to par then it's on to a windows tablet.