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Hello!!
I have just purchased a Galaxy 2 and it should arrive Friday or Monday.
I have been using the N900 for around 18 months and absolutely love the FREEDOM of a full Linux stack (Maemo).
Got too old and slow.
Upgrade time. SGS2 time!
Now. Rooting looks relatively easy, but why do you guys install custom roms?
Also, if anyone here can help with a small side question, the N900 has a FULL xterm with all available commands (/bin).
How do I go about getting such commands under android?
On Maemo it was as easy as "apt-get install //missing-command//"
I installed bash on my NItdroid (android on n900) but there are a few commands not available. Nothing special, just things like "history" and Possibly "nano" etc.
I had virtually zero commands on my old Xperia X10 (rooted), which is why I went back to N900. I'm a terminal geek!
Im used to having full Linux repo's.
I can build custom kernels for N900 and other Omap 3 and Omap 4 devices, but they are u-boot kernels, so I have to start learning again!!
Also, is there a terminal program which is green text on black background?? I can only find white on blue! YUCK! not nearly nerdy enough!
More often than not custom ROM's offer much better battery life and are faster and have many many added features which stock ROM's do not have, also most custom ROM's will not have Samsung bloatware in them which again will save you much battery,you can if you wish apply some themes on custom ROM's,the list is endless.
kingoddball said:
Hello!!
I have just purchased a Galaxy 2 and it should arrive Friday or Monday.
I have been using the N900 for around 18 months and absolutely love the FREEDOM of a full Linux stack (Maemo).
Got too old and slow.
Upgrade time. SGS2 time!
Now. Rooting looks relatively easy, but why do you guys install custom roms?
Also, if anyone here can help with a small side question, the N900 has a FULL xterm with all available commands (/bin).
How do I go about getting such commands under android?
On Maemo it was as easy as "apt-get install //missing-command//"
I installed bash on my NItdroid (android on n900) but there are a few commands not available. Nothing special, just things like "history" and Possibly "nano" etc.
I had virtually zero commands on my old Xperia X10 (rooted), which is why I went back to N900. I'm a terminal geek!
Im used to having full Linux repo's.
I can build custom kernels for N900 and other Omap 3 and Omap 4 devices, but they are u-boot kernels, so I have to start learning again!!
Also, is there a terminal program which is green text on black background?? I can only find white on blue! YUCK! not nearly nerdy enough!
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How's it going? I was on the N900 as well (still use it as my music player) and have recently moved on to the SGS2. speed wise it is miles apart! even thouse the Maemo repos have excellent apps, you do notice the lack of commercial apps for Maemo when using Android
i'm not sure if i have all the answers you require... a simple way to compare custom and regular ROMs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1219612
Rooting your SGS2 isnt as easy as typing "root" on the N900... you'll have to use CF Root with CWM (i think):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
and a list of useful Root/ROM links at Android Forums:
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-...guide-updated-12-00-pm-bst-jul-03-2011-a.html
i hope this helps
Thank you both. I'm not really a commercial app/program person.
I'm an active open source user. I love to modify and help with programs. I don't really like apple style control over programs.
I'm going to check those links. Thanks!
I hope I can try bring some of the work I made for Maemo over to android.
Most (90%) is terminal based, seems like droid users love the GUI stuff. Hehehe!
Well I will differ from Post 2. A custom ROM will bring more juice from battery? I don't believe it. It can definitely fix some bugs what the Stock one has, but nothing more than that. Also keep in mind there will be some glitch here and there in a Custom ROM.
I, personally, will never use a Custom ROM.
Regards.
kingoddball said:
Also, if anyone here can help with a small side question, the N900 has a FULL xterm with all available commands (/bin).
How do I go about getting such commands under android?
On Maemo it was as easy as "apt-get install //missing-command//"
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nope, in general this doesn't exist. you have a linux kernel with busybox (assuming you install this along with su), but afaik, that is the limit of what you might expect from a distro. All the apps are running in the android environment, unless you wanted to chroot into something like ubuntu. Whilst I suspect there are some distros that are close to running on an android phone (or netbook, like the ac100) you're no longer running android then.
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SL4A (Scripting Layer for Android) as a terminal emulator (shell python etc) and it is fully open source.
ithehappy said:
Well I will differ from Post 2. A custom ROM will bring more juice from battery? I don't believe it. It can definitely fix some bugs what the Stock one has, but nothing more than that. Also keep in mind there will be some glitch here and there in a Custom ROM.
I, personally, will never use a Custom ROM.
Regards.
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so then you, personally, will never know the difference between custom and stock. and yes, you can get better battery life with a custom rom. even a customized stock rom. with my infuse on infused 1.5 i got about 10-15% better battery life over stock.
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so then you, personally, will never know the difference between custom and stock. and yes, you can get better battery life with a custom rom. even a customized stock rom. with my infuse on infused 1.5 i got about 10-15% better battery life over stock.
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You answered by yourself.
That's what I meant anyway.
Regards.
there wasn't a question at hand to be answered...
Bit like why do people buy different cars .
Custom rom may add something or remove something from the phone is the basics .
jje
I found from flashing HTC Desire, that the cries of better battery life and performance on custom ROM's were generally over exaggeration or complete nonsense, as I tried loads of custom roms and the battery and performance remained the same throughout.
For this phone, my battery life is awesome anyway, and performance is awesome also. I also seem to be pretty much bug free, also
As for the technical questions and what not in this thread it's also gone over my head lol!
I for one will vouch for better battery and performance for custom roms. It only takes one disabled service/application to improve both categories.
Custom ROM's also add features you won't find in stock ROM's and arguably enhance existing features.
For example there is no reboot function on a stock ROM, but this is just one example. CM7 has a plethora of enhancements that simply rock, on the flip side there is still a few kinks it needs to work out, but with Cyanogen joining the samsung team it wont be long until a production phone comes out with CMx running on it.
You can just install 'Advanced Power Menu' for Reboot feature on a Stock ROM.
Altimas said:
I for one will vouch for better battery and performance for custom roms. It only takes one disabled service/application to improve both categories.
Custom ROM's also add features you won't find in stock ROM's and arguably enhance existing features.
For example there is no reboot function on a stock ROM, but this is just one example. CM7 has a plethora of enhancements that simply rock, on the flip side there is still a few kinks it needs to work out, but with Cyanogen joining the samsung team it wont be long until a production phone comes out with CMx running on it.
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I am interested in all of the benefits of using a custom ROM (especially theming) but what about the drawbacks? Don't you lose the optimizations that take advantage of the CPU/GPU?
What else would I be missing out on? I've been trying to find a thread dealing with this topic but am still searching.
.Arkham said:
I am interested in all of the benefits of using a custom ROM (especially theming) but what about the drawbacks? Don't you lose the optimizations that take advantage of the CPU/GPU?
What else would I be missing out on? I've been trying to find a thread dealing with this topic but am still searching.
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Their is no thread as their is no custom rom but many custom roms all with different features .
Why would you lose optimizations unless the custom rom developer decided to remove them and that would not really make sense .
The benefits of using a custom rom are that you can choose one with the features you required .
jje
JJEgan said:
Their is no thread as their is no custom rom but many custom roms all with different features .
Why would you lose optimizations unless the custom rom developer decided to remove them and that would not really make sense .
The benefits of using a custom rom are that you can choose one with the features you required .
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I know there's no single thread, what I meant was that it was hard to get the info about what the tradeoffs are of using various ROMs.
E.g. some do not have hardware acceleration (browser, video), and others don't let you use the stock app, etc... I've seen that some of the ROMs have made headway and do have hardware acceleration, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.
The only real alternative ROM is Cyanogenmod anyway. Any other rom is just some settings changed with notepad and some icons changed with photoshop.
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I know there's no single thread, what I meant was that it was hard to get the info about what the tradeoffs are of using various ROMs.
E.g. some do not have hardware acceleration (browser, video), and others don't let you use the stock app, etc... I've seen that some of the ROMs have made headway and do have hardware acceleration, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.
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Yeah you wont lose a thing, just gives you a chance to add more try leomars revolution rom, it got its own kitchen apo in market so you can install tweaks and themes from the app !
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You use custom roms if you think your cellphone isn't amazingly fast enough or if you think four buttons at the lower panel is to iPhone-ish. I personally love Samsung bloatware...
This might be a silly question, but what exactly are the differences between the three Jellybean ROMs I see in the dev section (Paranoid, CM10, AOKP)?
None of these seem to have any kind of "feature log" or changelog.
Anyone have any insights?
tehkingo said:
This might be a silly question, but what exactly are the differences between the three Jellybean ROMs I see in the dev section (Paranoid, CM10, AOKP)?
None of these seem to have any kind of "feature log" or changelog.
Anyone have any insights?
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Paranoid Android Is Jellybean
AOKP....not going there with that one
CMX, Pure build from code. Great rom.
differences, not exactly sure, but most will have a twitter to keep up with changes if possible
leo72793 said:
Paranoid Android Is Jellybean
AOKP....not going there with that one
CMX, Pure build from code. Great rom.
differences, not exactly sure, but most will have a twitter to keep up with changes if possible
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I'm not trying to be a ****, but you kind of didn't answer my question in any way.
a) What's wrong with AOKP?
b) I know Paranoid is JB, that's why I mentioned it. Are you saying it's stock JB? Kinda confused on the wording here.
c) Obviously, you're a fan of CM10 (aka CMX). What makes it so good compared to the other two? I see the thread for it has more posts (and thus seems to be more popular), but why?
Again, I'm not trying to be difficult. Just hoping to get an answer without having to flash 3 different ROMs.
Each ROM has different features.
CM isnt just straight AOSP
Rxpert said:
Each ROM has different features.
CM isnt just straight AOSP
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As much as I am grateful that people are paying attention to this thread and attempting to answer, this is the 2nd non-answer I've received so far.
I know each ROM has different features, that's why I made this thread.
I know CM isn't just straight AOSP.
My issue is that unlike most of the Sense ROMs, these JB ROMs have no feature list at all, and don't even cite any sort of changelog. Thus, I can't make an informed decision on which ROM to flash.
leo72793 said:
Paranoid Android Is Jellybean
AOKP....not going there with that one
CMX, Pure build from code. Great rom.
differences, not exactly sure, but most will have a twitter to keep up with changes if possible
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That's like.. not even fully correct.
Please make sure you know what you're talking about before you answer questions, as not knowing the answer will only cause more confusion.
To OP,
Paranoid: Paranoid Android is an AOSP JB ROM that focuses on the fusion of phone mode and tablet mode. Typically putting a phone into tablet mode would be cool, but some features of tablet mode just don't work that well on a phone. So they've worked on making the tablet mode experience work better on a phone. You can read more about it here.
AOKP: AOKP (Android Open Kang Project) is a highly customized AOSP build that is somewhat similar to CM in that it has a lot of tweaks available to it. AOKP actually has a bit more customization than CM, allowing you to center the clock, add the day of the week to the clock, weather in your notification menu, and a few other neat tricks. You can read more about it here.
CM10: CyanogenMod is the most popular custom Android ROM around, with a very large user base. It supports many different devices. We just recently received official support, meaning we will get official releases and nightlies on a daily basis. This is a plus for CM, because we don't have official support for AOKP and Paranoid, which means we might not always get the newest updates. While it has less ability for customization than AOKP, CM is still a very solid AOSP ROM. You can read more about it here.
All three are great ROMs, and at this point they have mostly the same bugs. I would personally suggest CM10 because the development for it is a bit more active and I've noticed better battery life and less buggyness while running that over AOKP.
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That's like.. not even fully correct.
Please make sure you know what you're talking about before you answer questions, as not knowing the answer will only cause more confusion.
To OP,
Paranoid: Paranoid Android is an AOSP JB ROM that focuses on the fusion of phone mode and tablet mode. Typically putting a phone into tablet mode would be cool, but some features of tablet mode just don't work that well on a phone. So they've worked on making the tablet mode experience work better on a phone. You can read more about it here.
AOKP: AOKP (Android Open Kang Project) is a highly customized AOSP build that is somewhat similar to CM in that it has a lot of tweaks available to it. AOKP actually has a bit more customization than CM, allowing you to center the clock, add the day of the week to the clock, weather in your notification menu, and a few other neat tricks. You can read more about it here.
CM10: CyanogenMod is the most popular custom Android ROM around, with a very large user base. It supports many different devices. We just recently received official support, meaning we will get official releases and nightlies on a daily basis. This is a plus for CM, because we don't have official support for AOKP and Paranoid, which means we might not always get the newest updates. While it has less ability for customization than AOKP, CM is still a very solid AOSP ROM. You can read more about it here.
All three are great ROMs, and at this point they have mostly the same bugs. I would personally suggest CM10 because the development for it is a bit more active and I've noticed better battery life and less buggyness while running that over AOKP.
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Thanks you so much for your in-depth answer.
I'll do some more research with the provided links, and will probably flash something tonight.
Thanks again.
tehkingo said:
Thanks you so much for your in-depth answer.
I'll do some more research with the provided links, and will probably flash something tonight.
Thanks again.
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No problem. I would suggest trying them all, since there are differences between each of them.
tehkingo said:
As much as I am grateful that people are paying attention to this thread and attempting to answer, this is the 2nd non-answer I've received so far.
I know each ROM has different features, that's why I made this thread.
I know CM isn't just straight AOSP.
My issue is that unlike most of the Sense ROMs, these JB ROMs have no feature list at all, and don't even cite any sort of changelog. Thus, I can't make an informed decision on which ROM to flash.
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It was directed more twards the poster above me. My pizza got delivered in the middle of typing so I had to go let the guy in. Sorry my post was so short and abrupt.
SoraX did a great job of explaining the main goals/differences between the ROMS>
The reason there isnt a changelog is because at this point the developers are more focused on getting things working 100%. Its the nature of the beast.
Rxpert said:
It was directed more twards the poster above me. My pizza got delivered in the middle of typing so I had to go let the guy in. Sorry my post was so short and abrupt.
SoraX did a great job of explaining the main goals/differences between the ROMS>
The reason there isnt a changelog is because at this point the developers are more focused on getting things working 100%. Its the nature of the beast.
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Ah, gotcha. Sorry for the attitude.
My SIII just arrived and I have started checking out if I install a mod rom. It seems like there are different roms and I wonder if there is a kind of feature comparison list between different roms and also between mods and stock. I do not want to start a discussion about which one is the best, but it would be nice to have and overview on how different roms compare to each other so that I can make an informed decision based on my own criteria. Does such a list exist? I could not find googling, but may be I just used the wrong search terms. But may be such a list exists anyway? Can someone point me to it? If such a list does not exist, is there at least any list of things which I win/loose by installing a mod over stock? Can I preserve apps from the stock rom which do not exists in mods manually? What I would like to know very specifically if there is the danger of loosing the Dropbox 50GB extra memory if I use a mod.
Afaik no such list exists and i don't really think that we wil see any such lists/reviews in future also - simply because its way too tedious to make . So as of now your only chance is to try each one out by yourself and decide what suits you best
Hmmm, as far as I know, no, but you can try them yourself which will give you more precise feeling about them.
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nikufellow said:
Afaik no such list exists and i don't really think that we wil see any such lists/reviews in future also - simply because its way too tedious to make . So as of now your only chance is to try each one out by yourself and decide what suits you best
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very bad. Why is it way to tedious to make? There should be at least some objective criteria
Like:
- what Apps, Kernels, widgets, tools are installed?
- what are the self claimed goals?
- what is it based on? Which Android version? Base on (which) Cyanogenmod?
- development status: Alpha, Beta, Stable
- How many updates in what time?
- How long does it exit?
Is there at least a list of things which will most likely not be in a mod compared to stock?
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very bad. Why is it way to tedious to make? There should be at least some objective criteria
Like:
- what Apps, Kernels, widgets, tools are installed?
- what are the self claimed goals?
- what is it based on? Which Android version? Base on (which) Cyanogenmod?
- development status: Alpha, Beta, Stable
- How many updates in what time?
- How long does it exit?
Is there at least a list of things which will most likely not be in a mod compared to stock?
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I guess, with all the updated, it will take a huge effort and time investment to keep the list up-to-date, hence better compare the ROMs in their threads
sambahb said:
very bad. Why is it way to tedious to make? There should be at least some objective criteria
Why not make a start then..
Like:
- what Apps, Kernels, widgets, tools are installed?
- what are the self claimed goals?
- what is it based on? Which Android version? Base on (which) Cyanogenmod?
- development status: Alpha, Beta, Stable
- How many updates in what time?
- How long does it exit?
Is there at least a list of things which will most likely not be in a mod compared to stock?
YES if you actually read each roms thread first couple of pages .
Someone needs to devote the time to building and updating such a list with no pay .
As such a list is in the Faqs and Guides that users dont bother to read its a bit of a waste of time .
This is a developers forum and as such it exists for developers who kindly share their work with us .
Its not somewhere for you to come and make your phone look cool.
jje
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I think something like this would be very helpful but hard to make due to updates.
But most ROMs are basically the same.
Since it doesn't really appear to be allowed to ask for good ROMs, how can I find a ROM that fits my needs?
I'm basically looking for a list of ROMS that are compatible with my device. By "compatible with my device" I mean that it should support display output through the HDMI and of course support for all the other hardware compunents. My device is a Xperia Neo V btw.
If I remember it correctly I need an ICS or GB ROM.
So is there a nice list that allows a complete noob like me to find out which ROM could be my best or at least a good choice?
Maybe a list with descriptions or feature lists so that I can tell which ROM I like the most.
And of course it would be nice if the list would only contain or mark compatible ROMs.
I'm also looking for a list of compatible kernels.
Thanks for your help.
Best regards,
Ferivon
ferivon said:
Since it doesn't really appear to be allowed to ask for good ROMs, how can I find a ROM that fits my needs?
I'm basically looking for a list of ROMS that are compatible with my device. By "compatible with my device" I mean that it should support display output through the HDMI and of course support for all the other hardware compunents. My device is a Xperia Neo V btw.
If I remember it correctly I need an ICS or GB ROM.
So is there a nice list that allows a complete noob like me to find out which ROM could be my best or at least a good choice?
Maybe a list with descriptions or feature lists so that I can tell which ROM I like the most.
And of course it would be nice if the list would only contain or mark compatible ROMs.
I'm also looking for a list of compatible kernels.
Thanks for your help.
Best regards,
Ferivon
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While searching for roms/kernels, it's best to see in the development section of your forum. In your case, here it is :-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-neo/neo-v-development
Try to use a more recent rom as it is easy to get support for them if anything goes wrong.
Thanks, but the problem with this link and also with this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316394
is that I have to read the thread of every ROM/kernel to estimate if they fit my needs. :/
And there are soo many, it makes it really difficult for a noob like me. I mean I don't even know the differences between ICS and GB. :/
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Thanks, but the problem with this link and also with this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316394
is that I have to read the thread of every ROM/kernel to estimate if they fit my needs. :/
And there are soo many, it makes it really difficult for a noob like me. I mean I don't even know the differences between ICS and GB. :/
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Sadly yes, that's the only way to choose a rom. Spend sometime reading the threads, see screenshots (Try to keep an eye on the buglist too !)
For your second question about choosing ICS or GB. I won't go much deeper, You just have to keep in mind that a newer android version means better user experience, compatibility with more apps and so on. Hope this helps you
In general, KK>JB>ICS>GB
That's sad, well, thank you anyway.
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That's sad, well, thank you anyway.
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i agree with you. I just need a rom that would be smooth for a lot of time. Most roms stuck after a month. I am looking for more that 5 months and I am still looking. I try the GB releases, they are quick but the applications crash all the time. Then I try ICS releases I find 3-4 really good releases but everyone of them had a different problem and after a month it was really slow. Now i am trying some KK releases. I try 3 releases. 2 of them was good at the begin. Only the one still works after 2 weeks. It got some bugs but it still works.
I will recommend you some releases to try.
Gingerbread: Gin2KitKat, Spacious GB
Ice Cream Sandwich: Spacions ICS, Superleggera, Ultimate HD
Kit Kit: ParanoidAndroid
This till now... You will find all of them here http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-neo/neo-v-development
Currently using Mike's CM11, before this I'm using Jelly Vanilla EX(that smooth Jellybean 4.2.2) and I settled on that rom for almost half years(nice for me)
And as usual, it's hard to recommend roms because everyone has different needs. If you wish to find a good-enough rom, try it by yourself and feel it :thumbup:
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If you want to go for jellybean (4.1.2) then I have been using Super JellyBean on my device since long... Its stable and battery friendly.
Moreover you may try other roms to suit your needs
You may find the thread regarding this on device's development section
Hope this helps
Hi guys and gals,
I recently switched back from the Nexus line of phones to the Galaxy S line,which I have NOT regret at ALL, but where are all the ROMs for our S5? I am not being ungrateful to the dev's who are producing the current selections, but I am looking for ROMs such as Paranoid Android, PACman ROM, etc.... and before anyone says it, no, I am not a dev, so no, I cannot port it over or build it myself, just asking if anyone has an insight on the current status of amount of ROMs available. TIA!!!
Check the SGS5 international threads, you'll find plenty there. They're cross compatible with your device.
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Hi guys and gals,
I recently switched back from the Nexus line of phones to the Galaxy S line,which I have NOT regret at ALL, but where are all the ROMs for our S5? I am not being ungrateful to the dev's who are producing the current selections, but I am looking for ROMs such as Paranoid Android, PACman ROM, etc.... and before anyone says it, no, I am not a dev, so no, I cannot port it over or build it myself, just asking if anyone has an insight on the current status of amount of ROMs available. TIA!!!
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Almost all of those ROMs you listed are based on CyanogenMod device trees. We barely have a working CyanogenMod at this time. Check out unified development. Also as said there are plenty of stock based ROMs floating around in the G900F section which are compatible with G900T.
I expect once the S5 gets most features working properly and starts getting merged into the main CyanognenMod codebase you'll see development take off more. Right now plenty of issues to work though such as camera, media apps (YouTube) FCs, senors being flaky, etc.
Reading the threads in the unified development section is a good way to keep up-to-date, as well as Twitter and G+ of course.
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Almost all of those ROMs you listed are based on CyanogenMod device trees. We barely have a working CyanogenMod at this time. Check out unified development. Also as said there are plenty of stock based ROMs floating around in the G900F section which are compatible with G900T.
I expect once the S5 gets most features working properly and starts getting merged into the main CyanognenMod codebase you'll see development take off more. Right now plenty of issues to work though such as camera, media apps (YouTube) FCs, senors being flaky, etc.
Reading the threads in the unified development section is a good way to keep up-to-date, as well as Twitter and G+ of course.
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Thanks for the info!... So just to insure, only stock custom ROMs from the G900F section are currently working on our devices but not the CyanogenMod based ROMs, right?
KingOfThaJungle said:
Thanks for the info!... So just to insure, only stock custom ROMs from the G900F section are currently working on our devices but not the CyanogenMod based ROMs, right?
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Not sure what you mean by "stock custom ROMS". Anything in the international section that is compatible with the G900F (almost all of them) are compatible with our phone. Every single one except the ones that are made for the G900H, the exynos model.