Boy, is this a needless complication?
Android original v android non-orginal development is just confusing. More confusing when you look in the "original" section and there are loads of roms in there that are "CM7 based" which surely is enough to qualify them as non-original, or maybe they are original if they are original enough. Seems to me a lot of room for confusion amongst users, confusion among devs who feel their work qualified as original when perhaps mods think it isnt, and a lot of work for mods who are going to have to move things backwards and forwards.
it involves a lot of two and frowing for the forum users as well *headscratching*. If you wanted to split things down a bit why not just Rom Development, and Kernel Development/Scripts at least that wouldnt be complicated.
dimspace said:
Boy, is this a needless complication?
Android original v android non-orginal development is just confusing. More confusing when you look in the "original" section and there are loads of roms in there that are "CM7 based" which surely is enough to qualify them as non-original, or maybe they are original if they are original enough. Seems to me a lot of room for confusion amongst users, confusion among devs who feel their work qualified as original when perhaps mods think it isnt, and a lot of work for mods who are going to have to move things backwards and forwards.
it involves a lot of two and frowing for the forum users as well *headscratching*. If you wanted to split things down a bit why not just Rom Development, and Kernel Development/Scripts at least that wouldnt be complicated.
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1. Just tell eagleeyetom and he'll move it
2. Be glad we even have an extra section now , that means we're still being respected .
3. You might wanna suggest svetius about your idea .
"Friends forever." - Ventus
If you have any ideas,then go and post it in the Users request to Mods And Admins thread,because no admin will look at it here
dimspace said:
Boy, is this a needless complication?
Android original v android non-orginal development is just confusing. More confusing when you look in the "original" section and there are loads of roms in there that are "CM7 based" which surely is enough to qualify them as non-original, or maybe they are original if they are original enough. Seems to me a lot of room for confusion amongst users, confusion among devs who feel their work qualified as original when perhaps mods think it isnt, and a lot of work for mods who are going to have to move things backwards and forwards.
it involves a lot of two and frowing for the forum users as well *headscratching*. If you wanted to split things down a bit why not just Rom Development, and Kernel Development/Scripts at least that wouldnt be complicated.
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agree with you, this is a bit confusing..
dimspace said:
Boy, is this a needless complication?
Android original v android non-orginal development is just confusing. More confusing when you look in the "original" section and there are loads of roms in there that are "CM7 based" which surely is enough to qualify them as non-original, or maybe they are original if they are original enough. Seems to me a lot of room for confusion amongst users, confusion among devs who feel their work qualified as original when perhaps mods think it isnt, and a lot of work for mods who are going to have to move things backwards and forwards.
it involves a lot of two and frowing for the forum users as well *headscratching*. If you wanted to split things down a bit why not just Rom Development, and Kernel Development/Scripts at least that wouldnt be complicated.
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its very much necessary ....new members should know which roms are really good and which others hve only placebo features .....u cant change it , deal with it !!
-RDR- said:
its very much necessary ....new members should know which roms are really good and which others hve only placebo features .....u cant change it , deal with it !!
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+1!
I think it might just work! It seems easier to find ROMs now.
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Im still peeved that the Ace is in Low Activity Devices.
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Im still peeved that the Ace is in Low Activity Devices.
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Hah....i knew i wasn't the only one
Sent from the year 3000 using a SGA where sheep's are not present.
Why we are low activity?
Fafsn said:
Why we are low activity?
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Look at this phone .
TBH , it sucks . It's ARMv6 , with low RAM and low internal memory .
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Look at this phone .
TBH , it sucks . It's ARMv6 , with low RAM and low internal memory .
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Well, actually I think it's just because we have low development activity. Look at Wildfire! we should be at same level. That crap phone has lower CPU but higher ram.
Doo:DAce said:
Well, actually I think it's just because we have low development activity. Look at Wildfire! we should be at same level. That crap phone has lower CPU but higher ram.
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Low development ? With our saturated ROM list ? Seriously ?
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the device is not populoar in some parts of the world so loq activity check the htc section and sll section
medoooooo said:
the device is not populoar in some parts of the world so loq activity check the htc section and sll section
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We are popular enough to have a Q&A section + Original Android Development section
This was sent from an ARNOVA 7 G2.
CallMeVentus said:
We are popular enough to have a Q&A section + Original Android Development section
This was sent from an ARNOVA 7 G2.
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Which some of you successfully spam
It's more legacy device that low activity. Want to find real low activity? Go to Samsung i5700 or Viewsonic G Tablet sections. Samsung Galaxy Ace is quite popular and have many users.
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Which some of you successfully spam
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I've been wondering about this since I just saw that the Galaxy Ace is a legacy device but how does a phone become legacy? I first thought legacy = old phone but that doesn't appear to be true.
My x10 mini pro is more a legacy than ace, the last update was sometime is last year and it's discontinued at 2.1, and ace just got official 2.3 released. Why can't there be a standalone section dedicated to galaxy ace? The specs are pretty good and potential for developing.
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The XDA admins really have incredibly little clue when it comes to handsets not sold in the US market, hence some really bizarre decisions.
Why the Huawei Ideos lacks its own section when it has 10x the count of released ROMs and more traffic on the misc android section (>50% of the threads there) than the Galaxy 5 and Galaxy Ace sections COMBINED is really beyond me.
Will informing them make a difference? And who governs the section management?
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Does it matter where this forum is placed? Developers know the specs and the phones and so does the users.
Yeah it does because nobody memorizes specs and phones so the placement of the section might play a part in determining its attention. I never knew there was an ace section because I don't browse legacy devices, in the end google brought me here
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Yeah it does because nobody memorizes specs and phones so the placement of the section might play a part in determining its attention. I never knew there was an ace section because I don't browse legacy devices, in the end google brought me here
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Even if this forum is not in the legacy section, it still wont change a thing. Devs are more interested to phones that are much marketed by manufacturers and telcoms.
Plus, there's a bunch of phones already in the index.
However, just for the sake of argument, Xperia X8 section is in the index and not in legacy even if GAce is much better in terms of specs and firmware but I see more activity here than in there.
Just shows that forumers would rather use the search function above than skim through the list of phones in the forum index.
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Does it matter where this forum is placed? Developers know the specs and the phones and so does the users.
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When people are making changes to their firmware based on what they read here its important to be sure you are definietly looking at the right device section.
I thought there could have been another 'Galaxy Ace' which was now a Legacy phone. It's confusing when you see a new handset listed as Legacy.
True!
I've been thinking about this since I first day I entered the sub-forum.
I mean, how come LG P500 got its own section and SGA doesnt?!
We can compare P500 and SGA side by side in the term of specs and when it comes to dev-support I believe SGA isnt really far behind. (CM7 is currently being developed and SGS' GingerReal ROM will also be available for SGA soon)
So what's the deal with it? :/
Should we contact a moderator about this?
edit: Sorry, rubbish internet connection messed me up.
i guess a mod mistakenly put the sga to the lagacy cat. it's then got indexed by google and now it's too late to move it to the proper place since it will cause a huge amount of page not found from google serp.
pelopor said:
i guess a mod mistakenly put the sga to the lagacy cat. it's then got indexed by google and now it's too late to move it to the proper place since it will cause a huge amount of page not found from google serp.
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Good point. A site will lose ranking if majority if pages are not found. However, an updated sitemap.xml could solve all that when the Google bots crawled xda-developers.com again.
Also, they don't have to worry about serp. xda forums is in vbulletin and the site is in Wordpress. They're using W3-cache and google sitemaps already soooooo... that's probably not the reason for the Galaxy Ace being in the legacy forums.
I'm trying to resolve this issue.
Please be patient.
Cheers
Thanks zecan! Honestly think this can attract more attention to ace in xda.
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it would be so a fresh news ! We need to have a section in the index page ! We're not so old !
Hey everyone,
We've made a small change to this forum by giving it a different name. This is now the *default* Android development forum for Galaxy S II. Any works that are completely original will be filed in the Original Android Development forum. Everything else will go here.
We have a more long-term solution to the ROM situation in the works. It'll be a database-driven ROM upload tool that will make it super easy for users to find and rate the ROMs that you upload. You'll be hearing more about this in the coming months.
For now, please continue to provide feedback. Thank you for your help in making XDA a more organized place.
Thanks!
P.S. If you think your ROM should be placed in the Original Android Development forum, send me a PM.
Edit from noppy22: this thread is no longer relevant so I unstuck it...
Sveitus,
I am dissapointed that the original explainatory thread was closed without reason after it was collecting opposing comments. Not cool.
I believe what you've posted (not done, I am confident that this was done with some consultation, somewhere) should be discussed in a wider context.
To that end, I've opened a thread in the XDA general forum with an admittedly emotive title "First and Second Class ROMS, 1st, 2nd class users". Please track this thread, assuming it's not lost amidst the noise.
I would have posted my concerns in the original notification thread except...
What gives?
Just imagine someone from sensation comes here and sees two development threads...
Sensation owners must be jealous by now..
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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The current situation is not something new to all of us.
There were always have been such ''issues'' among the rom developers.
xda team the way you chose to work this out is not good at all.
I'm starting to think that you don't listen to the majority of the users...
You hear a few dev's that probably are jealous of others...
This is not right for the community.
I personally am not supporting anyone particularly, but you must find another solution.
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I 100% support this view...
If this is the case, then no custom roms should be in "original" section, as they are all derived from the stock manufacturer's roms.
khein said:
But why is this only done on the GALAXY S2 subforums? Please, implement this on all phone subforum. I want to see how others would react.
Still think this is a stupid idea. If devs don't want other devs recycling their works, better not publish it. Or you can just close the thread of the ROM that was derived from an another ROM without permission/due credit.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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All hell would break lose and their would be a mass exodus of developers and some pissed off members.
And why was the other thread closed. Perhaps XDA didn't like that all the negative PR they were getting. This plan was poorly conceived and executed. And to make it worse, XDA is being the judge, jury and executioner.
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The other thread was closed because it was a discussion on the Derived ROMs Forum format, which as you state wasn't what we hoped it would be. So, changed the forum format. The old discussion was closed and a new one started to discuss this iteration. The thread was also started and stuck by svetius.
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I am quite disappointed that this unjustified separation and disqualification of some devs work is still not corrected. You justified your step by "feedback" asking for it. I believe you are severely misleading people here.
You earned a lot of justified feedback in the first thread being deleted meanwhile and still you don't get things sorted out.
It is obviously totally wrong to piss off devs and force them to prove they are not guilty of what you may think. It ought to be the other way around: you should have a prove to claim what you state before you behave (and take action) the way you did. Some kind of US wild west mentality around here. I understand when people think that you only try to protect some of the devs being closer to you or being longer active on xda than some others. The selection of Roms being put to one or the other section proves that already since there seems to be no logic behind your decisions. Some early birds being put to the second class thread while some others who have just released quite usual stuff but were active with other hardware before have been put to the first class thread. And till now no kind of explanation why this or that Rom has been put here or there? What about Litenin e.g. which has been asked for a dozen times in the first, deleted thread ?
And above all: what kind of guilt do you think of ?
We are talking about open source here and all Roms are derived from Samsung stuff except for CM / MIUI. So where does originality start and where does it end? And who may decide: Even if a custom ROM was copied from another custom one in the first step it might have become an own developement over time.
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
Clearer..
<sarcasm>
This titling does make it clearer..
Example:
Original Development: CM7
It's built from the ground up with a myriad of coded additions to be a truly 'Original' product.
Development: Everything else
All other ROMS are stock deodexed upgrades.
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Don't like this idea...
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The thread hasn't been deleted, it's been closed. The reasons (while obvious) are above.
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Closed or deleted - did not see it but no big difference anyway.
And there is nothing obvious neither about the closing nor the separation.
If you like to install a new tool do so. Build it, introduce it. Till then leave things as they were, stop separation and maybe excuse for the mess you produced by an unbiased decision... My 5 ct
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I really don't understand what an "original ROM" is. Google wrote the only original Android ROM imho.
here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
Simple Result:
As far as I see; Some devs are out of business and as far as I feel, more to be...
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here's a thought.
Villain Rom Lite is in "original" even though it's clearly based off VillainRom.
There's CLEAR favoritism going on here.
It should either be merged with the original or moved. It's just the same ROM with removed apps. How is that "original"?
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Uhm actually the fact that thread was buried a few pages until yesterday meant svetius may have missed it. Moved it across.
That's grand, we don't have derivated roms anymore, we have originals and others (stolen, fakes, not so cool). I like the way mods are listening...
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I must admit, the way the mods have chosen to separate the two development sections doesn't sit well with me at all. The criteria for which section a ROM goes in to is very subjective and open to various interpretations, all of which are prone to the moderator's possible bias.
Strictly speaking, only one or two ROMs are 'original development' and belong in that section. All the others are derivatives in some way or another.
A better way to clean up the dev forum would be to have a couple of sub-sections; perhaps one for all ROMs (regardless of source), one for kernels and related modifications and another for android-specific modifications. Then, be strict about enforcing the sub-section criteria. Also, ask ROM chefs to state in their OP whether the ROM is based on another ROM and to credit the original developer/chef.
Everything else goes in Themes & Apps.
Also, having a mandatory format for thread titles (a la the HD2 forum) is an excellent way to keep things tidy and ensure that people know when a new release has been posted and what the releases are based upon. It worked over in HD2 rather well I thought. After coming from an HD2 to the S2, I thought that the S2 forums were a little untidy to say the least.
Ok, serious mode off, back to my usual sarcastic self.
OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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OK, I dont agree with the splitting of the forums, but its not my decision and will go along with it. One thing that does really annoy me and needs to be fixed is that this new forum doesnt show up on the android app. Can that be fixed? I like keeping up with a few roms here and am usually on the move.
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No harm in disagreeing! If enough people disagree, the mods may relent on this decision.
if you are a hater, plz don't leave me hate.
I know there is a search query.
Just a noob that is tired of looking and searching.
Looking for ROM that is FAST and bareboned! can't stand bloat and crapware. I like it speedy. No other demands.
Any rec?
Thanks
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I know there is a search query.
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Yet you don't use it?
Open http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1204 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058 and look for [ROM] in the thread title. Open them and decide for yourself.
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Yet you don't use it?
Open http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1204 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058 and look for [ROM] in the thread title. Open them and decide for yourself.
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I meant I did use it
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Yet you don't use it?
Open http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1204 or http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058 and look for [ROM] in the thread title. Open them and decide for yourself.
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What part of "Haters dont hate!" didnt you get? He raises a very valid point, that there are 100s of roms, each claiming to be the best thing since sliced (ginger)bread. He, like many readers, dont have the time or know-how to check out every single rom out there. So, we ask for other people's opinions on which are good, which are bad. It is completely useless and incredible time consuming to read through every thread about every rom, because they all say the same things.
There needs to be some better moderation in this forum for it to be useful at all. At this point we have dozens of threads with 500+ posts, and people are expected to read through the whole thing, usually filled with usually bumps, or "i like this", or "this sucks", to find anything useful. the search box returns ALL relevant items, which means that every single post mentioning a rom will be returned.
I know that I want to get the most out of my device, but between working, commuting, volunteering, and trying to spend time with my friends, I have very little time to devote towards trawling through the treasure trove of junk posts that litter this forum.
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What part of "Haters dont hate!" didnt you get? He raises a very valid point, that there are 100s of roms, each claiming to be the best thing since sliced (ginger)bread. He, like many readers, dont have the time or know-how to check out every single rom out there. So, we ask for other people's opinions on which are good, which are bad. It is completely useless and incredible time consuming to read through every thread about every rom, because they all say the same things.
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Allow me to prove a point.
jbarol said:
At this point we have dozens of threads with 500+ posts, and people are expected to read through the whole thing, usually filled with usually bumps, or "i like this", or "this sucks"
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This is all you will get from this thread too, plus some hate from me for good measure.
jbarol said:
What part of "Haters dont hate!" didnt you get? He raises a very valid point, that there are 100s of roms, each claiming to be the best thing since sliced (ginger)bread. He, like many readers, dont have the time or know-how to check out every single rom out there. So, we ask for other people's opinions on which are good, which are bad. It is completely useless and incredible time consuming to read through every thread about every rom, because they all say the same things.
There needs to be some better moderation in this forum for it to be useful at all. At this point we have dozens of threads with 500+ posts, and people are expected to read through the whole thing, usually filled with usually bumps, or "i like this", or "this sucks", to find anything useful. the search box returns ALL relevant items, which means that every single post mentioning a rom will be returned.
I know that I want to get the most out of my device, but between working, commuting, volunteering, and trying to spend time with my friends, I have very little time to devote towards trawling through the treasure trove of junk posts that litter this forum.
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Thank you for putting what everyone thinks, out in the open!
Thank you thank you thank you!
I also don't understand why some would see posting a comment saying "try looking for it", as any different than just answering the question (or not answering at all). I mean - you are already making a comment, so why not make it a useful one? Don't want to make a comment? So don't! No one is forcing anyone to answer!
At this point I would just move to strike this thread as dead
Search query, here we come again...
All cynicism aside, XDA is the best forum out there for ppl like me (retards, that is
Your not a retard. Saying things like that ruin your credibility.
look at the first and second post where it says development and choose one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253665
MIUI: Fast and Speedy, very customizable, amazing battery life, based on CyanogenMod 7, no bloatware and fixes the Android OS battery bug in Samsung's base ROMs.
CriskeloROM: Fast, customizable, based on Samsung's ROMs, no bloatware.
Lite'ning ROM: Outdated, fast, good battery life, no bloatware, based on Samsung's ROMs.
Try those three.
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look at the first and second post where it says development and choose one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253665
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THANK YOU for your help
qwerty warrior said:
look at the first and second post where it says development and choose one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253665
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nicholaschum said:
MIUI: Fast and Speedy, based on CyanogenMod 7, no bloatware.
CriskeloROM: Fast, customizable, based on Samsung's ROMs, no bloatware.
Lite'ning ROM: Outdated, fast, good battery life, no bloatware, based on Samsung's ROMs.
Try those three.
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Thank you so very much!!!
benyben123 said:
THANK YOU for your help
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ive used countless roms
CM7 is the fastest
try it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1176411
CM& is fast but quite still behind as most of the stuff is still under development.
A nice bareboned mix between AOSP and stock sammy is GINGERMOD in the android original development.
Im on it, Ive tried most of the others and in my opinion provides the perfect balance of smoothness, battery life and speed..especially with Siyah Kernel, Void Echo Kernel or NEAK Kernel.
Here is Our new forum.
XDA, the moderators and the powers that be.... have been wrestling with trying to differentiate the Difference between the Code-writing Development and the Quasi-developers that use rom cooking tools or are just porting roms.
To that end we will be going through the development threads in the next couple of weeks and moving the appropriate threads that meet the original code requirement to be placed in this new forum.
Please bear in mind that this is a "Work in Progress" and will take a bit of time to hone and perfect what goes where.
Also, please understand that this does not mean that some developers are on some special pedestal. That is not the case.
I will use an analogy to explain:
A music composer writes an original piece of music. The music composition may be awesome... but his performance of it, may not.
Such often is the case in developers..... often someone comes up with a awesome idea or new code application, but it often ends up being perfected by the use of others putting their creative spin on it.
That is the beauty of The Android Platform and ....XDA provides a fertile field for all to share ideas and collectively improve our experience.
Additionally, we need to provide and track the proper credit to the original code writing Developer and better comply with the GPL requirements of Android......
I hope this clarifys the potential questions
Thanks from the Moderators
~~~ (oka1)~~~
I though this forum is for all the Samsung original/stock roms
TL;DR version.
Stuff you've made. Pure AOSP ROM's you've built from sauce. Or a AOKP ROM you've buildt.
"Cooked" ROMs, like taking a TouchWiz ROM and just adding some APKs etc is not original developement.
So does my Asylum ICS count as original? Since every version is built from source? And then modified to my liking?
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So does my Asylum ICS count as original? Since every version is built from source? And then modified to my liking?
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AFAIK, Asylum will be considered as a cooked ROM with AOKP/CM9 as the base
Saw this sometime back in HOX forums and liked the idea. Glad it's here in Note's forums too. If not anything, it will make the development forum a less pain to search, at least it was for me. Now I can look up to the original ROMs here, and their derivatives in the other section. Cool enough!
FIRRST!!!
Ah shoot!
Liking this idea, but it means an extra click for my daily routine, heh
This should be labelled "AOSP ROMs" and the other "TouchWizz ROMs" for better clarification.
Good to see a separate forum. Now it is well organized and less cluttered.
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AFAIK, Asylum will be considered as a cooked ROM with AOKP/CM9 as the base
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IMHO - any ROM or kernel built from source should be in original development.
I mean, with parth's logic, CM9 isn't original development as it uses AOSP as base...
nickshertzer said:
IMHO - any ROM or kernel built from source should be in original development.
I mean, with parth's logic, CM9 isn't original development as it uses AOSP as base...
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^lol good point there :good:
Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs. This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs.
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Use your hands.
This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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This is how it should be. If you want only COOKED ROM THREADS go to the old Development Section.
This Forum is a very good idea as I know exactly where I will be heading now.
anonymous572 said:
Sorry, but your development forum separation is a pain in ass for me. I don't want to open two pages instead of one to see all news about ROMs. This is really stupid and uncomfortable. I don't care who made ROM and which way it's done. I just wan't to find ROM thread, and that's all!
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+1 here, i think the developers and "porters" deserves the same credit, Developers for Develop new features and Porters to make speddy ROMs.
with this, new members can be confused (thinking that many do not read the rules and announcements)
Just my opinion...But the moderators has the decision
Cya
How do we request certain threads to be moved from Android Dev -> Original Android Dev and vice-versa? The few that have been put here appear to be a bit random...
eg. If GL_NOTECORE kernel is considered "original" dev, then why isn't the Goku kernel also here? Both of those are based off Speedmod K3-3 after all...
It is what it is. Let the mods do the job. I never lose my threads simply because I subscribe them under my favorite folders. Quite a smooth transition. I was not even aware some of the threads are moved here Now I know why there is separation in GT-I9100 sections.
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with this, new members can be confused (thinking that many do not read the rules and announcements)
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New members get confused because they do not read. The number of subforums (5 or 6) won't add much of confusion.
I'm happy with this new structure. I got a little bit tired from too many innovative ROMs with tweaks, themes, addons and - my favorite - boot animations. Even Kernels start to spread (like clones of hardore's SpeedMod).
Now I start every morning with the OAD forum looking for real changes.
Boy124 said:
Use your hands.
This is how it should be. If you want only COOKED ROM THREADS go to the old Development Section.
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Couldn't agree more.
aussiebum said:
How do we request certain threads to be moved from Android Dev -> Original Android Dev and vice-versa? The few that have been put here appear to be a bit random...
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If you know what you do, you can report them.
eg. If GL_NOTECORE kernel is considered "original" dev, then why isn't the Goku kernel also here? Both of those are based off Speedmod K3-3 after all...
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Not really, GL_NOTECORE is based on Samsung source (with inspirations from hardcore and others), while Goku kernel is based specifically on SpeedMod kernel :
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Introducing my custom built kernel for ICS Touchwiz ROMsFeatures:
- Built from HK ICS Opensource 1 (July 7th release)
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funky81 presents Goku Kernel, a kernel based on hardcore masterpiece, SpeedMod Kernel OCS K3-3
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Actually, both my own and Funky81's kernel (Goku) are both built from source with original development.
We are simply applying a patch that hardcore made for the original code source release which address some issues that we would have had to address anyway. there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. In my latest releases built from the newer source I am not even applying hardcores patch, just grabbing a few alterations that were made so the code compiles properly.
In fact, both of our kernels are vastly different from Hardcore's in respect to what we are trying to achieve with them. I am going for all out speed, and had to devise my own code (and follow the horrendously awful Exynos4 for developers manual from Samsung) to inject the correct overclocking PLL and register values into the code. This is not something that Hardcore, or anyone else apart from Thor (for cm9) has done with the kernel.
funky has made lots of alterations too, so neither of our kernels can really be called "speedmod clones" and to do so, without reading at the very least the OP of each thread and understanding what is being said, is a little disrespectful.
To follow another analogy along the lines of oka1's from the OP
If speedmod is building the basic car, Funky81 and myself are designing the turbo, exhaust system, air intake and tuning the ECU and packaging it all together. Both are as important as each other and both are original.
Thanks for your explainations. (out of thx for today)
Hi, I have a GS1, GS2 (hardly mine but still) and a GS3. For GS1 there is an abundance of ROMS, kernels etc. İn a couple of days after a new Android version gets released lots of ROMS become available. When it comes to GS2 and GS3 though, there are hardly any choices. For example, at the moment there are about 10 4.2.1 ROMs just in the first page of I9000 development. There is none for the others.
What is the reason for this even though the other two have much higher userbases? Just curious. Happy holidays.
GS 1 needs development GS3 does not so much .
There are only so many variations on themed roms .
Its a devs choice what to build and if you are lucky to share with XDA users .
A fair number no longer post on XDA as they are fed up with idiotic questions .
You can speed the process up by donating a SGS3 to a dev .
jje
Is that idiotic questions part for me? It is hardly an idiotic question. With a little overclock I can get more performance out of my GS1 than GS3, the stock performance is really low. I've seen lots of comments how it takes too long to open the phone and contacts apps etc. It is not like I'm angry for no development. It is a simple question.
I've been donating money to everyone who helped me. Thank you.
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Is that idiotic questions part for me? It is hardly an idiotic question. With a little overclock I can get more performance out of my GS1 than GS3, the stock performance is really low. I've seen lots of comments how it takes too long to open the phone and contacts apps etc. It is not like I'm angry for no development. It is a simple question.
I've been donating money to everyone who helped me. Thank you.
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Like the person above you said there are only so many variation in themes for a rom.. Plus GS3 is fast as it is so making a rooted custom rom is for apps and themes.. Also for those apps that need root.. Anyway he is also right dev's deffo get fedup after a while due to the same question asked so many times. They make FAQ's but that still results in so many same questions..
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Is that idiotic questions part for me? It is hardly an idiotic question. With a little overclock I can get more performance out of my GS1 than GS3, the stock performance is really low. I've seen lots of comments how it takes too long to open the phone and contacts apps etc. It is not like I'm angry for no development. It is a simple question.
I've been donating money to everyone who helped me. Thank you.
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What planet are you on m8? a gs1 outperforming a gs3? Yea sure.
There is an abundance of development for the s3, but i would like to know what you want to achieve from this thread?
Perhaps you should give developing a go yourself and stop being a....
MOD EDIT: Appreciate the point your trying to get across but try not to use foul language, Thanks.
EDIT: Thanks Mod, sorry about that, I was on the fence over that one.
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What planet are you on m8? a gs1 outperforming a gs3? Yea sure.
There is an abundance of development for the s3, but i would like to know what you want to achieve from this thread?
Perhaps you should give developing a go yourself and stop being a....
MOD EDIT: Appreciate the point your trying to get across but try not to use foul language, Thanks.
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Well i was going to tone it down because i've been such an ass lately but i support you lool..
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What planet are you on m8? a gs1 outperforming a gs3? Yea sure.
There is an abundance of development for the s3, but i would like to know what you want to achieve from this thread?
Perhaps you should give developing a go yourself and stop being a....
MOD EDIT: Appreciate the point your trying to get across but try not to use foul language, Thanks.
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Legendary, absolutely legendary.
Sent From My Omega'd Galaxy S3 ...
Inagalaxyfaraway said:
Is that idiotic questions part for me? It is hardly an idiotic question. With a little overclock I can get more performance out of my GS1 than GS3, the stock performance is really low. I've seen lots of comments how it takes too long to open the phone and contacts apps etc. It is not like I'm angry for no development. It is a simple question.
I've been donating money to everyone who helped me. Thank you.
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Did i say your question was idiotic ???
I merely stated that due to idiotic posters a number of devs no longer put stuff on XDA .
Like those that don't read the instructions and continually ask for updates or fail to understand what was written .
Do you misunderstand what XDA Developers forum is >> Most definitely you do .
jje
dladz said:
What planet are you on m8? a gs1 outperforming a gs3? Yea sure.
There is an abundance of development for the s3, but i would like to know what you want to achieve from this thread?
Perhaps you should give developing a go yourself and stop being a....
MOD EDIT: Appreciate the point your trying to get across but try not to use foul language, Thanks.
EDIT: Thanks Mod, sorry about that, I was on the fence over that one.
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Maybe you should stop being a whatever you were writing. I've never criticised anyone for not developing, I've kindly asked is there a technical reason for this. If you don't have an answer you can shut up and get out of here.
JJEgan said:
Did i say your question was idiotic ???
I merely stated that due to idiotic posters a number of devs no longer put stuff on XDA .
Like those that don't read the instructions and continually ask for updates or fail to understand what was written .
Do you misunderstand what XDA Developers forum is >> Most definitely you do .
jje
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I've misunderstood your post, sorry about that. You've suggested me to donate a SGS3 and obviously it is hardly possible for anyone, so I've assumed you were angry for this post.
I've simply asked a question is there a technical reason for the thing I've described above, I don't care whether everyone develops for GS3 or nobody.
Anyway, again I am sorry for that misunderstanding.
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Hi, I have a GS1, GS2 (hardly mine but still) and a GS3. For GS1 there is an abundance of ROMS, kernels etc. İn a couple of days after a new Android version gets released lots of ROMS become available. When it comes to GS2 and GS3 though, there are hardly any choices. For example, at the moment there are about 10 4.2.1 ROMs just in the first page of I9000 development. There is none for the others.
What is the reason for this even though the other two have much higher userbases? Just curious. Happy holidays.
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You may have answered the question yourself. Userbase is bound to be higher, hence more custom roms.
GS1 has been out for nearly three years. GS3 about half a year.
I didn't have a very close look, but the 10 4.2.1 roms you mention are probably all CM kangs.
Number of JB 4.2 ROMs shouldn't really matter, as they will probably be quite similar in the general functions they offer. Will all of those 10 JB 4.2 ROMs be so unique from each other that they look like HTC vs Samsung for example? I wouldn't think so. Not downtalking the importance of developers or anything but you can customise the ROMs to your taste using the mods and apps in the Themes & Apps section if you want diversification.