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Now that people have the phone in their hands, is it worth it to upgrade to the Evo 3D. Since there are rumors of the SGS2 (within) coming to sprint on the 24th of july, would people recommend waiting or just get the 3D now and calling it good?
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HTC=LEGENDARY
SAMSUNG=NO COMMENT
I love my evo 3D its godlike, 3D is actually bad ass, I thought it was going to be annoying/gimmicky lol.
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Honestly you could second guess yourself to death.....There's always going to be the next great phone that's just around the corner. I got my 3vo and I love it, plus personally I'd never by another Samsung phone in my life.....but that's my opinion. If you look at the phone, try it, like it, and can see yourself using it for 22 months go for it, if not wait for the next one.
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Honestly you could second guess yourself to death.....There's always going to be the next great phone that's just around the corner. I got my 3vo and I love it, plus personally I'd never by another Samsung phone in my life.....but that's my opinion. If you look at the phone, try it, like it, and can see yourself using it for 22 months go for it, if not wait for the next one.
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So you think samsung will be as bad with updates as they were with the previous galaxy phones? I had an epic but i returned it because of the screen wobble and froyo never coming
I guess the real question is will anything coming in the next month be honestly significantly faster than the EVO 3D? If not, then why wait
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Now that people have the phone in their hands, is it worth it to upgrade to the Evo 3D. Since there are rumors of the SGS2 (within) coming to sprint on the 24th of july, would people recommend waiting or just get the 3D now and calling it good?
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My personal opinion is get the Evo. Even if the SGS2 comes out in July, you can always swap. Also, most any phone thats going to come out in the group is going to perform more than adequately. I like the look and feel of the Evo 3d, and HTC has a history of dev support.
I don't know....maybe they turned over a new leaf, but in the past I've had too many problems with Samsung to give them another chance. I had my HTC HeroC for the last 16 months and it has been a wonderfull phone...now my son has it. Good quality, lots of potential, durable.....but hey these are just my own opinions. Go have a look for yourself, if you like it get it. It's a pretty safe bet that in the next month Sprint's not going to put out anything that's going to exceed this phones capabilities.
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I don't know....maybe they turned over a new leaf, but in the past I've had too many problems with Samsung to give them another chance. I had my HTC HeroC for the last 16 months and it has been a wonderfull phone...now my son has it. Good quality, lots of potential, durable.....but hey these are just my own opinions. Go have a look for yourself, if you like it get it. It's a pretty safe bet that in the next month Sprint's not going to put out anything that's going to exceed this phones capabilities.
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The problem is that Samsung's international support is better than for their US products. Whether this is squarely on Samsung's shoulders is up for debate. They at least appear to be trying to appeal to the mod scene and with more than just words. I like their AMOLED screen, but I like the high res of the Evo 3d. They both look like great phones, but the Evo 3d got here first.
I guess I'll just go for it. It does look like there are some issues, but of course you always hear more from the people with problems than those who are content. Plus HTC looks like it has been receptive to fixing problems.
Buy the E3D and if you don't like it you have 30 days to exchange it.
You do realize that Samsung has provided the CyanogenMod team with SGS2's? That means that Cyanogen will most likely use that phone as the base for his ROM.
Samsung is loosening up their hold on their phones and the specs on the SGS2 phone are sick. I'm holding off for that phone instead because I won't use 3D as I already get migraines.
I'll wait for the next best thing.
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I'll wait for the next best thing.
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And always be waiting? If sprint came and said officially the within was coming on july 24th, and samsung would give better updates than it did with the epic. I would wait. But is the galaxy s 2 (within) going to be significantly better than the 3D?
I just wanted to gauge the general feeling amongst those of us who have a Rogers or GSM Evo 3D. Are you guys satisfied with your devices?
I think we can all agree that one of the greatest advantages Android has over iOS is the ability to root and install custom ROMS on your phone. It really keeps your phone fresh and extends the lifespan of the device.
However as well all know, development for the GSM Evo has been lackluster to say the least. It isn't the developer's fault (the few that are active like Leedroid have been great) but they can't do much without those missing Shooter U files.. Another question I want to ask is, how likely is it that HTC will actually release these files? It's been almost 2 months since the phone has been released and still there's been no indication of any release.
The Evo 3D has great hardware, but what good is it without software that's equally good? I would almost rather use my Nexus, which can at least run MIUI and CM7. While I would have no problem patiently waiting for a ROM if it's development was in progress, but there's no point of waiting hopelessly when the development isn't even possible.
Right now I'm contemplating selling my device just because it's resale value is still high and because there's been no indication that the development situation will get any better. I'm wondering how you guys are feeling about this? Are you guys more optimistic than I am?
And just so there's no misunderstanding here, the point of this post wasn't to bash the Evo itself. But if this is going to be the phone I use for the next year and a half, I want it to be future proof. I want it to be able to run MIUI, CM7, CM8 when it comes out, and so on.
Great device so far!
I've had the EVO 3D for about 3 weeks now and so far I'm loving it! Coming from the Magic/Sapphire device, Android feels like a completely new experience. I'm still running stock and have not rooted and unlocked the device itself but will be once more stable roms are available. I have faith that dev will pick up in the next month or so after Rogers releases the Samsung S2 for LTE and starts to discount the 3 year purchase price for the EVO 3D making it even more attractive to more consumers. HTC has also been playing nice (for the most part) with the dev community that they'll be releasing the files that our devs need shortly.
So no worries, it'll happen!
In any event, back to playing with my EVO 3D!
Don't really care if HTC release it or not. The phone is awesome as it is!
I've rooted my Evo3D to get Titanium, but Im running stock, and couldn't be more pleased, and dont have any plans to put another ROM on.
The only thing Ive noticed that does make me wonder a little, is that my Evo seems to have lower benchmark scores than you usually get from this phone. Dont know if its something that Rogers have done, or a fluke or what it is. But it seems fast enough, and we all know that benchmarks are often meaningless...
I've had the Captivate and the Arc before. The first thing I wanted to do with those phones was to flash a Custom ROM so the performance would actually be decent. With the EVO, I honestly don't really care(at least, for now). I really like it, everything is smooth and fast. MUCH better than the arc. Awful awful phone.
I'm really satisfied with the build quality. It feels like a tank. Without a doubt the best phone I've ever had.
I've been using LeeDrOiD on my E3D for over a week and I find it quite smooth, but even my wife's stock Evo 3D runs very well. Yes, I'd like to see development for the GSM take off, and I think that'll happen once HTC releases the fixed kernel sources (which I reminded them about not 30 minutes ago on their Facebook page), but I'm very happy with this phone.
You guys have made me feel better about my phone lol!
Has anyone else noticed that the Evo 3D is listed on the devices page on cyanogenmod.com? Nothing shows up for experimental or stable mods, but maybe this means that the Evo 3D will be included when CM 7.2 drops?
Currently there is an alpha version of CM7 available for download in the development section of this site and on cyanogenmods wiki page.
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Currently there is an alpha version of CM7 available for download in the development section of this site and on cyanogenmods wiki page.
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True, but up until now the shooter hasn't been listed on the devices page. I mean, I wouldn't get my hopes up, but it would be nice if it was leading up to something.
It's been on the device page for almost a month now. I'm hoping that we'll get nightlies soon, but I'm guessing that CM9 is the first CM that we'll see stable on the Shooter.
This might be a stupid question, but are the WiMax and 3D something that will be easier to deal with in ICS or just about the same as now?
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This might be a stupid question, but are the WiMax and 3D something that will be easier to deal with in ICS or just about the same as now?
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Likely just about the same as now, maybe a bit more difficult on the 3D side.
Read last night that they are skipping to cm9. If you look at their tweets, they say working on ice cream, check back in two months.
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!
Cyanogen himself tweeted that there will be a CM7.2. Only god knows if we'll be stable by then.
It really blows that they (CM Team) haven't even bothered to release vendor files for our device. The community could have really helped speed things up. I guess they're just worried about being kanged.
If you ask me, kanging open source is an oxymoron.
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If you ask me, kanging open source is an oxymoron.
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Not really... Kanging (to me anyways...), implies you are using someone's code but saying you did it yourself. So, plagiarizing, pretty much. And that's not cool.
However, this is English, and a single word can have many meanings lol.
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Not really... Kanging (to me anyways...), implies you are using someone's code but saying you did it yourself. So, plagiarizing, pretty much. And that's not cool.
However, this is English, and a single word can have many meanings lol.
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I can agree with that. What I mean to say is that when you release an open source product (especially an Apache licensed product), and someone uses it in their own derivative, it is NOT stealing. It is infact the spirit of open source.
It's especially offensive since CM itself is a derivative.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding their POV.
Unfortunately other than Toast, I am not aware of anyone else from cm team even interested in this phone anymore. It's just one phone amongst 10+ powerful phones and its not getting any younger.
I am beginning to wonder if we will ever get bt a2dp, hdmi, etc.
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Unfortunately other than Toast, I am not aware of anyone else from cm team even interested in this phone anymore. It's just one phone amongst 10+ powerful phones and its not getting any younger.
I am beginning to wonder if we will ever get bt a2dp.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I can agree with that. What I mean to say is that when you release an open source product (especially an Apache licensed product), and someone uses it in their own derivative, it is NOT stealing. It is infact the spirit of open source.
It's especially offensive since CM itself is a derivative.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding their POV.
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Yeah I guess it is a pretty grey area. Technically, if someone modifies software that was released with under the Apache License, it doesn't have to be released under
those same terms.
I completely agree with you, btw, just offering another point of view.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I doubt there will ever be another 4G. The planets just aligned so well on that release.
I sit here wondering what phone will have good cm support (nexus series?)
If you take a look at github, toastcfh is working on it and I think maybe we might get a working CM7 before we get ICS after all.
I just wants stable CM7 right now, I've been holding off on flashing the alpha releases as it is. As much as I'd love some ICS, a truly stable CM7 build would still be pretty epic IMO.
I tried the alpha a while ago, and it worked really well. I went back to a sense-based ROM because of the car audio issue, though.
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+1 Development on this phone just never took off. Having the Evo 4G, I took having strong development for granted. I'll most certainly do more research next time.
E3D has been a dud for me unfortunately
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I agree with this....I notice a huge difference in in the way the 3d is handled compared to when i used my N1.....I dont consider the 3d a dud though...
I had two Evo 4g's, an htc hero and my wife has an Epic 4g and this phone 3D is far from a dud. It's the best Phone I've owned and the Evo 4g was my baby. I bought one and sold it and bought another and then got the 3d. I don't understand why someone would want Cm7 on the evo 3d. the Gingerbread Ui was ugly. Now ICS variant would be great if only for the UI. That is even tempting me. I used to use CM6&7 on my Evo, but the 3d by itself is far superior, just because of the dual core that makes it a faster evo.
I have noticed that the Rezound ROMs were coming out fast and furious, new ROMs, updates and improvements on an almost daily basis. And then 2 or 3 weeks ago it just stopped. Lots of active threads in the Dev section, but nothing really new has come out?
Are devs waiting for the OTA, which won't be here for another few months, or has the Rezound just run its course and the new phones that are coming out are taking the lead and Dev time now?
The Rezound is great, but lets face it, it is now second tier as their replacements are already out, and they won't official get ICS till July or August, making them even less desirable to Devs to spend time on a phone that will likely stop being sold before too long?
My fear is that the Rezound will take too long to get ICS OTA and source code released, and by the time it is, the phone will be on its way out the door, there are newer better phones out that Devs will feel it is better to spend their time on, etc...
Thoughts?
Hasn't stopped. I know Scott's working on a one x rom, Newt just released an update and Joelz is rebasing his rom which should be awesome.
I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
well there's great significance when it comes to updating immediately to the newest leaks, after that period it's back to timed updates and changes
new phones will slowly kill, but it's not that development slowed down, there just hasn't been any trigger for another immediate and curt developmental spike
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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I still see some activities going on in the Inc development forums, so I'd say yes
The Rezound is a great phone with a great Dev community and in my opinion still has plenty of life left in it.
We had 3 leaks in a matter of a month. Nothing lately so nothing much to update.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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Yeah, of course. Dude, this thing is barely more than 6 months old!
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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Development is still going pretty hard behind the scenes, I don't see it dropping off for a few months at least. The devs are still working just as hard as they ever have, its just that people seem to complain a lot about wiping and reflashing every few days, and as roms progress the updates are fewer and further between. There's also a lot that goes on behind the scenes that isnt posted on the forums, in the last couple of weeks, last three weeks I guess, I think the biggest advances and accomplishments on the rezound yet have happened, in my opinion. Most of which hasn't been posted yet because they're tieing up loose ends.
I do think you're right about the fact that a lot of us will be moving on to New devices shortly after kernel source is released, when a quad core beast hits Verizon with super specs, something probably the next step above the one s and one x.
But I think we havent begun to see this phone's potential yet and with another leak or OTA and kernel source its really going to be a beast. I could see it having a pretty long lifespan kinda like the OG Droid. A lot of us will probably buy new hardware eventually that may take time to get rooted and s off and this phone will be capable enough to feed our custom rom and kernel addictions until the new phones we get are exploited.
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I'm also thinking that if Newt was asked to remove the tweaks from his ROM because "there were too many similar ROMs", perhaps the same was asked of Bored which would personally p!ss me off. Who cares if some ROMs are very similar, they all have little differences.
If that's really the case, maybe Scott was asked the same. After all, CleanROM, CleanROM Pro and CleanROM DE are all the same but with more stuff removed.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
Wow. IMO this phone is just too darn good to waste my money on a retail upgrade (and marginal one at that).
I came from the D1 and within months I was constantly flashing roms and tweaking trying to whip a few extra ponies into it.
Otherwise, in 5 months with the Rezound I've flashed 2-3 times and just s-off'd this weekend. I've had basically no issues and it's nice not to have to babysit my phone to get it to run the way I want it to. Just rock solid, and the development is great.
I can appreciate that everyone is looking for something different, but myself I just need a couple of good roms and I'm set.
Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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He does have a point. Look at our roms. Mostly all the same minus themes, same tweaks all across the board. Whats different? What stands out ? .
Im not flaming any devs or saying they should do more, they do a fine job actually. But its true. We lack true options. Sense 4 yes, its different and good but still needs working. Aosp is still being worked on and no one knows if itll get to work in the end or not.
I see newer phones dev section, say the one s, there flying with tons of roms, aosp. And im sure kernel dev will rise once source is out.
I know ril is our problem, but still. You cant fault someone esle giving up, nobody expected us tobe just stuck with sense. I know i didnt, but ill deal with it in the meantime
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Using a bolt ATM that I thought would never get any good ROMS, well its got as many options as any phone out there. Pretty much all HTC phones due to the boot loader if nothing else are going to have good dev sections. If u wanna see a sad dev section check out all moto phones with exception of the atrix and that is only BC they found a unloclable BL or something of that sort in a leak.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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I'm just saying if development just stalls then I might leave this phone, I do want a popular dev'ed phone without it being the GNex.
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
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Protekk or dmeadows posted on twitter that the RIL was complete but they were working on the firmware to match it, and that was the hold up.
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
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Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
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this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
PsiPhiDan said:
ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!