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Why do stock apps launch at boot? Like accuweather and yahoo?
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Nobody? Find it stupid that a lot of apps launch and take up ram even though they are never used.
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It's how samsung designed it and if it bugs you just root the phone and freeze the apps with titanium backup
borchgrevink said:
Nobody? Find it stupid that a lot of apps launch and take up ram even though they are never used.
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this is just how android works. it loads up many apps on boot, and in the background even when you didnt not open them, so that it is faster the next time you need to use said apps. some people hate it, but the bottom line is there's nothing you can do about it except remove those apps from your phone. its just how android is built.
You have problems with RAM ? I use like 10% most of the time.
Free RAM is wasted resource. Stop thinking of things in terms of how Windows work with it crappy resource management system previous to Windows 7.
Well, if the RAM used for these apps could have been used to store apps that I really USE instead of apps I don't us, the useful apps could have been started quicker... (and apps I have used recently would not have been kicked out of memory so fast.
do not worry about that.
just uninstall the apps you never use.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again they need to make the system *really* clever by having it learn what apps you use the most and load the relevant processes rather than stuff which is unlikely to get used.
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snudel said:
do not worry about that.
just uninstall the apps you never use.
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But I am not eager to root...
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borchgrevink said:
But I am not eager to root...
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Then you will have to live with it
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borchgrevink said:
Why do stock apps launch at boot? Like accuweather and yahoo?
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Captain Obvious speaking here , forgive me: If you have the weather widget on screen , or those live wallpapers that link with weather, your accuweather process needs to run.
And any app that has notification mode (like yahoo) will start up on boot, check what it is supposed to do ("are my notifications on or off?") and then recede to background if there is nothing to do or if the notifications are disabled.
If after boot you press and hold the home button, tap "task manager" then switch to the "ram" tab - does it show that you are using all 800 or so MB of memory with all those background apps? Probably not.
what annoys me is that at bootup it loads up apps i use once a week or so and makes it take ages before the phone is usable. fine, keep it in memory once i've used it but don't load everything at bootup ffs
we really need a msconfig type thing to stop this.
tommo123 said:
what annoys me is that at bootup it loads up apps i use once a week or so and makes it take ages before the phone is usable. fine, keep it in memory once i've used it but don't load everything at bootup ffs
we really need a msconfig type thing to stop this.
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this sounds like its your first android phone. you arent the first person to notice this and be unhappy about it. this topic has been beaten to death in the android world. there are utilities you can do to remove broadcast receivers upon startup etc as well as tweak the internal memory algorithm numbers to be more aggressive. but in the end you are going against the OS. its best to remove any app you dont use and dont want starting up like that. and if you need root for that, then this just goes to show why so many people love getting a pure android nexus phone, because this type of nonsense doesnt exist there. its pure barebones elegance, with the OS working precisely as intended. zero samsung bloatware.
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it take ages before the phone is usable.
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My sgs2 takes about 18seconds to boot to be usable thats good for a smart phone my x10 took about 40 and my old x1 was even longer.
kreoXDA said:
Captain Obvious speaking here , forgive me: If you have the weather widget on screen , or those live wallpapers that link with weather, your accuweather process needs to run.
And any app that has notification mode (like yahoo) will start up on boot, check what it is supposed to do ("are my notifications on or off?") and then recede to background if there is nothing to do or if the notifications are disabled.
If after boot you press and hold the home button, tap "task manager" then switch to the "ram" tab - does it show that you are using all 800 or so MB of memory with all those background apps? Probably not.
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Well Captain Obvious, I never run or use these apps and widgets... Hehe. That's why I asked originally...
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RogerPodacter said:
this sounds like its your first android phone. you arent the first person to notice this and be unhappy about it. this topic has been beaten to death in the android world. there are utilities you can do to remove broadcast receivers upon startup etc as well as tweak the internal memory algorithm numbers to be more aggressive. but in the end you are going against the OS. its best to remove any app you dont use and dont want starting up like that. and if you need root for that, then this just goes to show why so many people love getting a pure android nexus phone, because this type of nonsense doesnt exist there. its pure barebones elegance, with the OS working precisely as intended. zero samsung bloatware.
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my 2nd actually (desire last time round), rooted both, same annoyances in both - not HTC bloat, or samsung - the fact that i can't have control (key word here) over my phone. i mean if i wanted an OS without options i would have gone for an iphone!
i've tried a few apps that claim to stop apps booting up but they all fail.
as far as removing them, why? a simpler solution would be to stop the damn things running all the time. i don't use photoshop on my PC daily but i'm not going to install/uninstall the thing as i use it. it should just sit there waiting to be ran not doing anything at all until that moment.
silentbob59 said:
My sgs2 takes about 18seconds to boot to be usable thats good for a smart phone my x10 took about 40 and my old x1 was even longer.
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still a long time when you're looking at the screen wishing it would hurry the hell up. seriously, count it. boot up your phone in front of someone with winmo 7 or an iphone then, after it turns on and you see the first glimpse of your homescreen say - it'll just take another 20 seconds or so. 1...., 2..... 3..... 4..... 5...... etc etc etc.
it's annoying and bad practise from an "instant on" standpoint. i want to turn it on, type in pin, see homescreen and hit a shortcut and have it load. not have to other stuff i wont use that day to load in the background first.
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anyhoo - this is something that annoys me - big time ...obviously
yeah its just something that you're gonna have to live with. its just the way android is designed for better or worse.
If you have root, get an app called Gemini app manager, its free and you can tweak the autorun settings for anything.
That not the OS caching in ram(good) but stuff you dont need running and using cpu etc(bad).
Just be carefull about what you tweak and backup etc.
Surely stock apps don't each that much battery right? my ram is usually 200MB-300MB / 1GB and I'm using a brand new SG2 stock firmware / unrooted and the only widgets i have are pictures/weather/google search.
Even though social hub, digital clock, etc still run in "Running applications" the list is pretty small...
My girlfriend just got a bell gs2 and she was having really poor battery life so i looked at it tonight and it seems that facebook won't stop using the cpu and will go from 3-10% cpu usage all the time. Is anybody else having this problem? Is there any solution?
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Gunner86 said:
My girlfriend just got a bell gs2 and she was having really poor battery life so i looked at it tonight and it seems that facebook won't stop using the cpu and will go from 3-10% cpu usage all the time. Is anybody else having this problem? Is there any solution?
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Unfortunately facebook for android sucks, try setting it to check for updates less often, and sign out of chat if not using it.
Gunner86 said:
My girlfriend just got a bell gs2 and she was having really poor battery life so i looked at it tonight and it seems that facebook won't stop using the cpu and will go from 3-10% cpu usage all the time. Is anybody else having this problem? Is there any solution?
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If you're talkin bout the official facebook app then you are right. Also had this experience. Was checking thru system panel then i noticed the fb app was consuming cpu usage while running in background with sync off.. That fb app is getting glitchy sometimes. I uninstalled it!
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I had similar issues with the official Facebook app. I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) which is a free download from Market. You can set it to auto-kill apps at regular intervals (in my case, every hour). So the FB app gets killed every now and then, saving whatever battery can be saved..
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I had similar issues with the official Facebook app. I use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) which is a free download from Market. You can set it to auto-kill apps at regular intervals (in my case, every hour). So the FB app gets killed every now and then, saving whatever battery can be saved..
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ATK'ers cause more problems than they help, as every time something is killed, the phone wakes up, kills something, then the app has to be reloaded.
Its highly recommended not to use them.
veyka said:
ATK'ers cause more problems than they help, as every time something is killed, the phone wakes up, kills something, then the app has to be reloaded.
Its highly recommended not to use them.
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Hmmm... You're probably right. It was near impossible to make do without it on the lower-memory SGS1 though...
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Hmmm... You're probably right. It was near impossible to make do without it on the lower-memory SGS1 though...
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Maybe pre gingerbread, but as far as I know 2.3.x has always had a LMK (low memory killer) built in, so it does the same thing as a ATK, but its "smart" and doesn't hurt the battery like a ATK does.
I kno this is a super bump but this is the closest thread i could find to my issue...
After facebook recently updating the app i noticed, in the stock application manager on my LG P930, it using about 58% and even spikeing up to 88% CPU usage and using over 40.0 MBs of my RAM i have to stop the app in the application manager for it to stop....
Heres a pic for proof i guess:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1035642&stc=1&d=1335922294
So my actual question is can this harm the hardware to my phone if i dont stop it running after every use? And is there maybe a fix to get it to stop using so much?
i got fb on both sgs1 an sgs2 yes many say it consumes power but y dosnt mine do tht its loggd in 24hrs........cheerz
Facebook for Android sucks really.. I noticed this whole CPU trashing started when they upgraded Facebook some time ago to what is the "current" skin for the past 4-5 months or so. Suddenly, everytime I launch Facebook, when I go back to my home screen it stays running...
Obviously I have the notifications and synch refresh set to never..
Watchdog complains about it...
Connecting via ADB and issuing top shows the katana process eating 20% cpu or more..
Using a terminal app on the phone and issuing top reveals the same thing...
So I just use Watchdog to kill Facebook everytime I'm done using it, or I use the sluggish browser version that doesn't suffer from this cause it runs in the browser
Upgrade after upgrade they can't seem to fix this and it's symptomatic.. not random! At least not on my Nexus S running the latest ICS 4.0.4.
Would be interesting if via ADB we could check the threads of the facebook process and see what's running...
What would be even better would be some sort of channel to complain about this to Facebook.. I mentioned this in my review on the Play store but I don't think anyone cares about what's written there (at least none from the Facebook development team..)
I was wondering if I modified the Limit background processes setting (which is found under "settings > developer options", would it help or hurt anything? I am not sure how the different options may effect the regular performance/battery of the phone. Any insight would be great, thanks!
I limit mine to 4 cause I don't like having so many apps open. It seems that after a while or reboot it goes back to the default though.
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lopezpm said:
I limit mine to 4 cause I don't like having so many apps open. It seems that after a while or reboot it goes back to the default though.
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Yeah I do the same, but wondering if I I set it to 0 if that would cause any issues. I know when I clear RAM sometimes it would close up to 10+ or more and I'm confused as to why it had that many since I usually close everything and exit. Basically, I'm not sure what essential things may be running that this setting would effect?
No matter how many processes or apps you think you close by doing stock memory clean, they will come back shortly. The only way to make sure they stay innactive is to disabled them at start-up, just like in Windows or any Linux version. You choose which ones u want at start-up. I use Rom Toolbox by JRummy for that. You can easily control many things with that app. As for which ones are essential or not, it totally depends on what u do with the phone (ur personal use). Try and see what depends on what when u close things. That's the only way)) we all walk through that at some point!
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One more thing, don't be afraid shutting down apps at start-up, if something starts malfunctioning, u can always turn it back on.
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Also have autorun manager , Turning off the receivers.
Not an expert but similar to what he described.. I have not try his app
Did work for me,
Example:
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TuneIn Radio
FaceBook
Just 2 of the many Apps that run background processes without my permission and offer no options to stop them loading on boot.
Why TuneIn Radio needs a background process is beyond me. But its a blatant abuse of a weakness in android.
Is there a way to stop these processes for good? or is uninstall the only option?
Don't use bad apps. And learn how the system works.
Download 'All-In-One' toolbox, it will allow you to disable startup processes, some advice you might actually find helpful...
giftedgiggsy11 said:
Download 'All-In-One' toolbox, it will allow you to disable startup processes, some advice you might actually find helpful...
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Thanks!
giftedgiggsy11 said:
Download 'All-In-One' toolbox, it will allow you to disable startup processes, some advice you might actually find helpful...
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Indeed great toolbox.
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ivan1real said:
Don't use bad apps. And learn how the system works.
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So what if they run in the background? ram is there to be used.
DramatikBeats said:
So what if they run in the background? ram is there to be used.
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Its not using Ram. Its using CPU and power and monitoring what i do on my phone.
Cashed processes use RAM.
Have you got anymore detail about the app TuneIn Radio?
I've had this installed for a number of weeks now and was unaware or background processes being run.
What type of processes are these and what do they do?
I've had a quick look at the permissions the app has and the following is all I can find:
System Tools - automatically start at boot
Why would it need to start at boot?
I love tune in radio i bought the app it's great i use toolbox to block it off when i am not using it.. FB i couldn't care less for lol..
irzero said:
Its not using Ram. Its using CPU and power and monitoring what i do on my phone.
Cashed processes use RAM.
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Really? Any process that is running uses RAM. Please understand how a system works before looking for a reason to fix something that may not be broken.
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Padraic73 said:
Really? Any process that is running uses RAM. Please understand how a system works before looking for a reason to fix something that may not be broken.
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i know it uses ram. It also uses CPU and battery too if its a live process. I meant that it wasnt cached in ram and harmless.
Please dont talk to me like im stupid i have been building computer systems for over 10 years.
irzero said:
i know it uses ram. It also uses CPU and battery too if its a live process. I meant that it wasnt cashed in ram and harmless.
Dont talk to me like im stupid i have been building computer systems for over 10 years.
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Lol. How do you know its a live process. I have Facebook installed and the only thing its doing is running as a service to provide push notifications. I have system panel pro running and Facebooks average CPU consumption is actually under 1%. Can't say the same for tune-in radio
Facebook uses a service for notifications and the messenger i guess, about tunein, don't know. But that's how android works, if you want an app that pushes notifications which are not directly covered within the system itself, you need a service, otherwise there would run the whole app all of the time which needs even more resources (btw, that's how ios handles it).
Simple solution, use the already told or just freeze the app with titanium or disable notifications if possible.
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Tectas said:
Facebook uses a service for notifications and the messenger i guess, about tunein, don't know. But that's how android works, if you want an app that pushes notifications which are not directly covered within the system itself, you need a service, otherwise there would run the whole app all of the time which needs even more resources (btw, that's how ios handles it).
Simple solution, use the already told or just freeze the app with titanium or disable notifications if possible.
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i have uninstalled Facebook anyway i found 3 active processes and even one in the System processes! Its basically just malware that app.
Now Tunein is becoming a hassle. even with the startup blocked it keeps booting up!
irzero said:
i have uninstalled Facebook anyway i found 3 active processes and even one in the System processes! Its basically just malware that app.
Now Tunein is becoming a hassle. even with the startup blocked it keeps booting up!
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LOL
About Facebook, there is a app called sns if I'm not wrong, delete or freeze it with titanium, is just a Facebook interface.
Tunein, check if there isn't an additional service, sometimes there are bad apps where the service starts the app and the app starts the service.
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Tectas said:
About Facebook, there is a app called sns if I'm not wrong, delete or freeze it with titanium, is just a Facebook interface.
Tunein, check if there isn't an additional service, sometimes there are bad apps where the service starts the app and the app starts the service.
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i have uninstalled them now because i am unhappy in the way they run on my system. anything that behaves this way is obviously trying very hard to stay active on my system for a reason.
I guess they are data mining for the adverts that support the app. Not on my phone they dont.
irzero said:
i know it uses ram. It also uses CPU and battery too if its a live process. I meant that it wasnt cashed in ram and harmless.
Please dont talk to me like im stupid i have been building computer systems for over 10 years.
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We can only form our opinion on that from the content of your posts.
"It doesn't use RAM." is what you said, which you now deny.
You don't know the difference between cash and cache.
You don't know how to use capital letters or apostrophes.
Not looking good so far
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irzero said:
i know it uses ram. It also uses CPU and battery too if its a live process. I meant that it wasnt cashed in ram and harmless.
Please dont talk to me like im stupid i have been building computer systems for over 10 years.
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Just because you build computers doesn't mean you understand how they intertwine with the software. Especially since most computers have Windows installed on them. The RAM and caching process is much different compared to Linux, which Android is based off of. Thank you, have a nice day!
irzero said:
i have uninstalled them now because i am unhappy in the way they run on my system. anything that behaves this way is obviously trying very hard to stay active on my system for a reason.
I guess they are data mining for the adverts that support the app. Not on my phone they dont.
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Android uses a strict permission policy, you can view every permission an app has before you download it and no app can gather data without given permissions.
I don't know and to be honest i don't care which permissions those 2 apps have, because i don't use them, but i guess at least tunein radio has no access to private data.
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Hi. I recently posted on this forum coz I always only had 120 free MBs and my smartlhome started to go pretty slow without any reason. When I was typing on whatsapp it suddenly closed, I couldn't send any instant camera pictures because camera suddenly closes too, etc...
So I decided to root my phone and uncheck the 2 options of MLT Test (Enable option and USB depurate option) and seems like I get more free mbs but now the RAM it started to get short again, Im still gettin 150mbs again and thats annoying....
There is any solution ti fix this? Im using Clean Master too.
Greetings.
Ps. I got an app of my Phone Company and I dobt know how to unibstall it, it is desactivated but I couldnt find thr way to erase it, I've tried many explorers but didn't show up.
khrystoff said:
Hi. I recently posted on this forum coz I always only had 120 free MBs and my smartlhome started to go pretty slow without any reason. When I was typing on whatsapp it suddenly closed, I couldn't send any instant camera pictures because camera suddenly closes too, etc...
So I decided to root my phone and uncheck the 2 options of MLT Test (Enable option and USB depurate option) and seems like I get more free mbs but now the RAM it started to get short again, Im still gettin 150mbs again and thats annoying....
There is any solution ti fix this? Im using Clean Master too.
Greetings.
Ps. I got an app of my Phone Company and I dobt know how to unibstall it, it is desactivated but I couldnt find thr way to erase it, I've tried many explorers but didn't show up.
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Disable mlt is always a good way of gaining a little more ram, also the longer you have your phone running, the more it'll start lagging. So restart it for at least every time you charge it again. Also a bit more than that. Clearing caches isn't always the right solution, due to the fact that your phone has to load everything again, and it is sometimes quicker if you already have the apps cache there as the app will start quicker. If you have a lot of your apps running in the background, messenger, Facebook etc which are quite heavy when it comes to taking up ram, either delete them, or find apps which automatically close certain apps you choose yourself, and remove them from starting on boot.
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Disable mlt is always a good way of gaining a little more ram, also the longer you have your phone running, the more it'll start lagging. So restart it for at least every time you charge it again. Also a bit more than that. Clearing caches isn't always the right solution, due to the fact that your phone has to load everything again, and it is sometimes quicker if you already have the apps cache there as the app will start quicker. If you have a lot of your apps running in the background, messenger, Facebook etc which are quite heavy when it comes to taking up ram, either delete them, or find apps which automatically close certain apps you choose yourself, and remove them from starting on boot.
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Woah, thank you mate. I always close apps like FB or TW after using them so Im not running apps in the background. I will follow your advices...
Now I got one more question.
I'm gettin 43º (thats what Clean Master says) when I'm using whatsapp but CM saysa that's ok...
Is that really OK or should I worry?
Greetings
khrystoff said:
Woah, thank you mate. I always close apps like FB or TW after using them so Im not running apps in the background. I will follow your advices...
Now I got one more question.
I'm gettin 43º (thats what Clean Master says) when I'm using whatsapp but CM saysa that's ok...
Is that really OK or should I worry?
Greetings
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Completely forgot to mention, if you go into developer settings, then there should be a ProcessStatics or something, it's also called geeky stats, in there it tells how the memory status is, which is the thing managing ram and so on, you can click on every app and see how much it uses and so on, its quite handy. And I'm not sure about the temperature, it doesn't sound alarming so it should be fine
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