Hello,
I just switched to the EVO LTE and was wondering why there were two development forums?
One says EVO LTE Android Development, and the other says Original EVO LTE Android Development.
Whats the difference?
Basically, the "Original" development section is meant for work that is groundbreaking or new for this phone. Examples of this include kernels, CM9/CM10 development, MIUI development, and very special Sense ROMs. The other section is meant for the rest, which would be ROMs that use other ROMs as bases or ROMs that advertise mostly placebo effects as features.
Think of the "Original" section as "the big firsts".
Theres a sticky right at the top of the original android dev forum that explains it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761432
It gets all to confusing. A rom like viper lte is in the original section, but its base out of the pokemon rom and its scene base so its definitely not original. So yeah I still don't get what's the true definition of original.
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Viper 4g is not based on pokemon, it was built ground up on the new ruu and is a collaboration of the viper and pokemon teams, now known as team venom.
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mrlakadaddy said:
Viper 4g is not based on pokemon, it was built ground up on the new ruu and is a collaboration of the viper and pokemon teams, now known as team venom.
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You could have fooled me.
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shook187 said:
It gets all to confusing. A rom like viper lte is in the original section, but its base out of the pokemon rom and its scene base so its definitely not original. So yeah I still don't get what's the true definition of original.
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You're one of the people who is taking "Original" literally, which is why you're confused. It doesn't mean that a ROM has to be made from scratch, it means that it has to display a considerate amount of original work. Venom ROM is in the "Original" section because it has many features that no other Sense ROM does, like the extensive tweaks. These tweaks represent a huge amount of effort made by the developers.
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You're one of the people who is taking "Original" literally, which is why you're confused. It doesn't mean that a ROM has to be made from scratch, it means that it has to display a considerate amount of original work. Venom ROM is in the "Original" section because it has many features that no other Sense ROM does, like the extensive tweaks. These tweaks represent a huge amount of effort made by the developers.
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You mean the same tweaks found in the pokemon rom?
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shook187 said:
You mean the same tweaks found in the pokemon rom?
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The Pokemon ROM is no longer in development, and has been replaced by Venom ROM. Why the hell would we keep a dead ROM in the "Original" section when there is essentially a newer version of it available?
He's never flashed it soo...
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SoraX64 said:
The Pokemon ROM is no longer in development, and has been replaced by Venom ROM. Why the hell would we keep a dead ROM in the "Original" section when there is essentially a newer version of it available?
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Let it go.
His mind is already made up about the facts.
First, Welcome to the EVO LTE section!! Youll love the device!
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OP as noted refer to the thread already on this here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761432
there is also a post in the portal on the change.
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I'm genuinely curious if this big kernel source drop is going to be beneficial to us or not. I've heard two sides to the story:
1. "HTC b trollin' man, they drop source and release a new kernel..."
2. Devs can use the old kernel and fix the issues that HTC fixed, along with the other issues AOSP ROMs were having like sound and MMS.
I have no idea what's going on, and I'm curious whether I should expect things to blow up here soon, or if this kernel source has been essentially useless. I'm generally unaware of how long it takes devs to pick apart the kernel code and utilize it. Any input from those with knowledge on this topic would be greatly appreciated.
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PsiPhiDan said:
I'm genuinely curious if this big kernel source drop is going to be beneficial to us or not. I've heard two sides to the story:
1. "HTC b trollin' man, they drop source and release a new kernel..."
2. Devs can use the old kernel and fix the issues that HTC fixed, along with the other issues AOSP ROMs were having like sound and MMS.
I have no idea what's going on, and I'm curious whether I should expect things to blow up here soon, or if this kernel source has been essentially useless. I'm generally unaware of how long it takes devs to pick apart the kernel code and utilize it. Any input from those with knowledge on this topic would be greatly appreciated.
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Both are correct. It doesn't really help sense based Roms because sense kernels are going to be newer than source.
However, aosp roms can now be fully functional. Aosp is what many people on here care about and are waiting for.
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It's not useless for aosp, the problem is nobody is really working too much on aosp roms. There is a cm and MIUI port but they are a ways off and only so much one person can do..
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It's not useless for aosp, the problem is nobody is really working too much on aosp roms. There is a cm and MIUI port but they are a ways off and only so much one person can do..
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This makes me sad. Maybe the EVO won't have the development I pictured it having after all. I'm not giving up hope for the future, but if you're correct in your assertion, that is saddening.
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This makes me sad. Maybe the EVO won't have the development I pictured it having after all. I'm not giving up hope for the future, but if you're correct in your assertion, that is saddening.
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It still might, but I think I'm still somewhat jaded by the og evo and the support it had. The 3D never really had much, and it's looking like the lte is gonna be around the same.
I do think we'll eventually get some aosp goodness, just isn't hopping like I hoped it would be. I don't mean this as a slight to the devs we do have because they are great, all of them.
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PsiPhiDan said:
This makes me sad. Maybe the EVO won't have the development I pictured it having after all. I'm not giving up hope for the future, but if you're correct in your assertion, that is saddening.
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It's only been a little over a month since the phone first came out. Give more people time to transition and we should start to see more activity. It isn't that bad so far, but most development is based around Sense because no one wants to wrestle with AOSP. Once they get AOSP stuff finished though, we'll be golden.
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It's only been a little over a month since the phone first came out. Give more people time to transition and we should start to see more activity. It isn't that bad so far, but most development is based around Sense because no one wants to wrestle with AOSP. Once they get AOSP stuff finished though, we'll be golden.
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Yeah, I'm sure that's true. In my head, I figured everyone would be working to get to that point as quick as possible once kernel source was released. Like a giant team project, haha. Instead, it appears that only a select few are tackling it. Even custom kernels seem to be a rare mention. Oh well, I'll continue to enjoy the Sense ROMs as much as I can until someone cracks the AOSP code.
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Yeah, I'm sure that's true. In my head, I figured everyone would be working to get to that point as quick as possible once kernel source was released. Like a giant team project, haha. Instead, it appears that only a select few are tackling it. Even custom kernels seem to be a rare mention. Oh well, I'll continue to enjoy the Sense ROMs as much as I can until someone cracks the AOSP code.
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We just need the support of the big guys. For some reason it feels like most of the big time devs haven't moved on to this phone yet, or went with Samsung instead. I know that Preludedrew is working on JB for our phone, I talked to him about it yesterday on Gtalk. Deck mentioned in IRC that he was working on it as well, I believe.
The kernel developers are hiding so far, probably because we don't have the big guys working for us yet. I'd love to see a Tiamat kernel, even if I'm personally not a fan of custom kernels.
Kernel.org is also down, so that's slowing things up for everyone.
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Kernel.org is also down, so that's slowing things up for everyone.
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I've been seeing this all over, but I can access the site and perform downloads just fine.
There's is (are) custom kernels out
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I'm actually happy with the stock kernel. It has a great balance of performance and battery life.Then again I prefer my kernels to be rock solid, as opposed to cutting edge with random reboots.
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I'm actually happy with the stock kernel. It has a great balance of performance and battery life.Then again I prefer my kernels to be rock solid, as opposed to cutting edge with random reboots.
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I always used custom kernels with EVO 4G and remember zero reboots due to kernel issues . Easy overclocking and underclocking, volume mods, performance increases while still improving battery life... Yes please!
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PsiPhiDan said:
This makes me sad. Maybe the EVO won't have the development I pictured it having after all. I'm not giving up hope for the future, but if you're correct in your assertion, that is saddening.
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So far my experience with HTC phones have been a very disappointing one. Coming from the OG Epic, all I've kept hearing was how awesome the development for the OG EVO was. So of course when the EVO 3d came out it was my phone of choice over the Epic Touch. That was disappointment number one. Then when the LTE came out, I've noticed all the OG EVO developers and owners was all excited about this phone, so i decided to give HTC another chance. So for I've been more disappointed then at any point. The lack of ROMS, the pitifully performance of sense 4 and HTC's new stance on locking bootloader and sneaky updates with new Hboots was the last straw. What phone will I get next? Im not sure, but it won't be a HTC.
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shook187 said:
So far my experience with HTC phones have been a very disappointing one. Coming from the OG Epic, all I've kept hearing was how awesome the development for the OG EVO was. So of course when the EVO 3d came out it was my phone of choice over the Epic Touch. That was disappointment number one. Then when the LTE came out, I've noticed all the OG EVO developers and owners was all excited about this phone, so i decided to give HTC another chance. So for I've been more disappointed then at any point. The lack of ROMS, the pitifully performance of sense 4 and HTC's new stance on locking bootloader and sneaky updates with new Hboots was the last straw. What phone will I get next? Im not sure, but it won't be a HTC.
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We've had plenty of roms for this phone. Development has flown. Idk what your complaining about.
HTC has always locked the bootloader and always updated hboot to close root loopholes. This is nothing new.
This is all par for the course. You should know this having owned the 3d. Settle down my man
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We've had plenty of roms for this phone. Development has flown. Idk what your complaining about.
HTC has always locked the bootloader and always updated hboot to close root loopholes. This is nothing new.
This is all par for the course. You should know this having owned the 3d. Settle down my man
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I know what he means about ROMs... They're all more or less the same so far. Modified stock is great, but not what many are after when they think of development being great.
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Rxpert said:
We've had plenty of roms for this phone. Development has flown. Idk what your complaining about.
HTC has always locked the bootloader and always updated hboot to close root loopholes. This is nothing new.
This is all par for the course. You should know this having owned the 3d. Settle down my man
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+1 on that. Seems like the other guy isn't to bright seeing as this phone is only a little over a month old
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PsiPhiDan said:
I know what he means about ROMs... They're all more or less the same so far. Modified stock is great, but not what many are after when they think of development being great.
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And aosp is in the works and has been since shortly after launch. These things take time.
If you check out the aosp threads, they all mention ongoing development.
We JUST got kernel source. Devs have day jobs, they do this in their free time
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And aosp is in the works and has been since shortly after launch. These things take time.
If you check out the aosp threads, they all mention ongoing development.
We JUST got kernel source. Devs have day jobs, they do this in their free time
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Oh I know that, and I no way meant to say the devs aren't doing great work. I just wanted to explain why he said there were not a lot of ROMs right now. I understand that statement, although there is plenty of reason for why that is.
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Is there an easy way to port over roms?
There are tons of AOSP and AOKP roms for the different One X devices out there, and yet our development has stalled. There are also quite a few decent sense roms that we havent had a look at yet.
Is there an easy way to port it over? I know they use different radios and all that jazz, but there should be a way to port over the OS and keep the rest of the stuff.
Im willing to take on the task of porting over if there was some tool or directions.
Anyone?
I'd love to see some of those ROMs ported .. try asking the guy who ported over the Pokemon ROM .. Charmeleon
Here is the link -- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690531&highlight=pokemon
You likely would need to port from the one xl
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I'm really hoping patience pays off and we get some AOSP love soon. CM7 spoiled me rotten on the OG EVO.
It's in the works for aosp jb. We have at least 3 different roms going for it including Cm10 and miui
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i here that!! we need some roms!! i miss my 3d development is jumpin rite now for them.. im jelly!~
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I'm really hoping patience pays off and we get some AOSP love soon. CM7 spoiled me rotten on the OG EVO.
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I'm with ya, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Yeah, so far I'm disappointed in the lack of development thus far. I know its only been about two months but I see other new phones with so many different options already. Mean ROM, is the only one that stands above the rest so far. If there were actually development going on, wouldn't the devs post some screen
Previews or something? Its way too quiet. I'll wait a few more months but might end up giving this to my wife if development doesn't start kicking off soon. Perhaps everyone jumped to the GS3
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I'm using MeanRom and loving it. Comes with plenty flashable options.
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As stated in other threads, this forum is stilll pretty young. We just gotta be patient and the roms and ports will come. Or just find a one x rom you like and ask your favorite dev to port it. Theyre all pretty cool, chaances are they porbably would when time allows.
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I'm using MeanRom and loving it. Comes with plenty flashable options.
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+1 Meanrom is excellent but is a sense rom.
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... Or just find a one x rom you like and ask your favorite dev to port it. Theyre all pretty cool, chaances are they porbably would when time allows...
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Thing is, these guys already do so much, and have their hand full with their own ROM's. Which is why id rather do it myself, if that was possible.
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Wow! Why is it everytime I find a Rom I like, the developer either gets booted or quits over some bs....happened on the og EVO, the 3d, and now here. Bad luck for me! Lol....now to find a new Rom I like any suggestions?
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JamieG71s PACman ROM. Or tranquility JB if you like sense.
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I tried SuperJelly but for some reason youtube app wont work right for me, so i stopped using it. otherwise i liked that branch. Right now i suggest MeanBean until the new Viper4G comes out.
Do prefer sense...have used stock with goodies, liked it but discontinued, mean bean (battery issues), super jelly (like but lagged), cm10, and the windows 8 one (confusing) lol....will give tranquility or viper a try thanks
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I suggest mean bean. Battery life has been awesome. I tried all other sense roms currently on jb and I like mean bean the best. Ran cm 10 for a few days and it was good but I still feel like its just not 100 percent. I like scotts clean rom distribution as well but its not on jb yet.
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I am on the January 3rd, 2013 nightly of CM10 and it is absolutely perfect.
Everything works, it is super-silky smooth and completely customizable.
It is noticeably faster and more laser-sharp than the stock ROM with Sense and puts back all the functionality that the various lawsuits took out of the HTC/Sprint releases.
I am also happily using the Tranquility JB ROM. The battery life has been good and it has been bug-free.
Use Sinister's V5 ROM. Just like Stock With Goodies, Flex kanged off Sin anyway...
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Use Sinister's V5 ROM. Just like Stock With Goodies, Flex kanged off Sin anyway...
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Are you trying to start a fight? Everyone kangs from everyone...
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drob311 said:
Are you trying to start a fight? Everyone kangs from everyone...
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Well if you want to get technical, yes everyone with a sense rom kangs HTC. And if the rom developer credits the person with the mod, its not considered kanging.
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Well if you want to get technical, yes everyone with a sense rom kangs HTC. And if the rom developer credits the person with the mod, its not considered kanging.
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I agree with you... I wasn't knocking any devs or anything like that. I compile kernels for a couple devices so I know exactly what you mean. My comment was more for the member that threw out the kanging accusation.
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Are you trying to start a fight? Everyone kangs from everyone...
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Correct me if I'm wrong but to "kang" means use other people's work in your own ROM. I didn't mean it in a derogatory manner such as what you're implying. And no, I'm not trying to start a fight, I believe that's you with your tone. I'm just giving good advice.
Anyway no time no arguing with you. Goodnight lil kid
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Correct me if I'm wrong but to "kang" means use other people's work in your own ROM. I didn't mean it in a derogatory manner such as what you're implying. And no, I'm not trying to start a fight, I believe that's you with your tone. I'm just giving good advice.
Anyway no time no arguing with you. Goodnight lil kid
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Kang = To steal or a stolen code when referring to programming. Also can refer to leaked coding. Source
If the software developer has permission and credits the original source its not considered kang since its not stolen.
Now back to what this thread is about. Personally I'm bias towards our rom (Tranquility) however; there are other good roms out there. It all depends what you are looking for. If you want a stock rom with a couple of mods, I recommend to flash stock rom, then zepp's multitasking mod, followed by OMJ's Mod Pack.
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If you want a stock rom with a couple of mods, I recommend to flash stock rom, then zepp's multitasking mod, followed by OMJ's Mod Pack.
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stock with a couple goodies added someone should make a thread for it.
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stock with a couple goodies added someone should make a thread for it.
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Then incorporate other people's work while denying credit
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The best ROM to use is the one you customize yourself. That way you know it's how you like it.
Thread Closed.
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To all the viper team (Vin [yes we had a rough start but my ignorance got the best of me] and viperboy), you two have gone above and beyond what anyone probably thought was possible on the evo 4g lte.
Many others are there as well (bigdaddy, CPT TB, ThickLizard, and many others and I'll modify this after some sleep, but dam, you guys are the bomb and I know we will lose you in the future.
So thank you for this golden rom!
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That's weird, I was thinking of doing something similar. Viperboys zeal for developing and sharing was never more evident than the first week the One was released, and the development forum was thread after thread by viperboy.
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That's weird, I was thinking of doing something similar. Viperboys zeal for developing and sharing was never more evident than the first week the One was released, and the development forum was thread after thread by viperboy.
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Team Venom (aa well as many others on this forum, I apologize for anyone whom I'm sure I excluded, there's just too many great developers and contributors here) should be called Team Android. IMO, they are better than Google, and get paid primarily by donations.
I wish there was a list of main contributors.
If you are one, please list yourself here. Even the smallest contributions you make are the difference between content and awesome!
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Yes, I am. Vince, viper, zarboz, deck etc. But I think that's already reflected in the respective threads (I mean, anybodys donations).
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Yes, I am. Vince, viper, zarboz, deck etc. But I think that's already reflected in the respective threads (I mean, anybodys donations).
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See I haven't heard of a few of these people. And I personally don't have much free time to get on the computer so this primarily is my computer.
Anyway, we need a developer's list and donation thread.
On an off note, sure wish Vin and Viper boy would get together and put up a sense 5 viper rom, even if it was just beta. I know they got their plate full though.
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stovo06 said:
See I haven't heard of a few of these people. And I personally don't have much free time to get on the computer so this primarily is my computer.
Anyway, we need a developer's list and donation thread.
On an off note, sure wish Vin and Viper boy would get together and put up a sense 5 viper rom, even if it was just beta. I know they got their plate full though.
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Let me begin with a thanks for the message behind this thread.
As for the sense 5 rom... I will begin working on the sense 5 version of viper4g, when sprint/htc gives us an official update (or when it's leaked). This is due to not wanting to spend hours modifying the code to work with an inherently flawed port as my base, just to have to scrap it when the time comes to work with official files for this device.
I know it's tough to choose between the latest and greatest (sense 5) or your favorite rom that is still based on sense 4+, but I'd assume that most other devs feel the same in regards to building from an ruu, or at least from a rom base that is a product of an official ruu for this (or their respective) device.
Only reason I am anxious I am hoping sense 5 will free up some ram
Thanks!
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Both are in Verizon thread section for S4. Thanks.
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My understanding is that Android Development is modification of TouchWiz based ROMs and Original is anything that wouldn't fall under that category such as AOSP ROMs, custom Kernels, etc.
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My understanding is that Android Development is modification of TouchWiz based ROMs and Original is anything that wouldn't fall under that category such as AOSP ROMs, custom Kernels, etc.
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Makes sense. If anyone knows of anything different please chime in.
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Original is for original work. Regular is for any modified, ported,tweaked,themed work.
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EvoRocker said:
My understanding is that Android Development is modification of TouchWiz based ROMs and Original is anything that wouldn't fall under that category such as AOSP ROMs, custom Kernels, etc.
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This is how I see it as well. I was confused for quite some time until I finally realized the difference
You guys aren't getting it. The regular development isn't just for touchwiz ROMs. It's also for ports or additional work to roms that the dev didn't do THE ORIGINAL work to.
If it's not new or ground breaking or an original piece of work it doesn't belong in original.
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You guys aren't getting it. The regular development isn't just for touchwiz ROMs. It's also for ports or additional work to roms that the dev didn't do THE ORIGINAL work to.
If it's not new or ground breaking or an original piece of work it doesn't belong in original.
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Exactly. There are a couple aosp ports threw now like avatar and chameleon os
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Oh I got the impression that original was for developers only section lol
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Oh I got the impression that original was for developers only section lol
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No, the developer only section is for developers only.
To be fair though, only people actively developing should be making new threads in either of the development sections.