Since XDA will not let me post in the Android General because I don't have 10 posts, I'll ask here. So why do we have to wipe data/cache exactly when switching roms? I understand system obviously, and just know we have to wipe them all, but I've never understood why we have to wipe our data partition, but then restoring wipe titanium is just fine.. doesn't it just backup the data partition?
osuron07 said:
Since XDA will not let me post in the Android General because I don't have 10 posts, I'll ask here. So why do we have to wipe data/cache exactly when switching roms? I understand system obviously, and just know we have to wipe them all, but I've never understood why we have to wipe our data partition, but then restoring wipe titanium is just fine.. doesn't it just backup the data partition?
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You might be confusing what the "data" you are wiping...you are not wiping your personal data, just data associated with the prior rom. So when you go to a new rom you remove traces of the old rom plus anything that may be in the cache. Having old rom settings can interfere with your new rom. Your personal data (photos, music, etc) will still be there. You only need to restore apps.
Never restore system settings or apps with titanium backup.
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There are more than just apps in the data partition. ALL user settings are on /data/. Titanium only backs up apps.
The real reason to wipe data like the above post said is to remove conflicting ROM data
gcodori said:
You might be confusing what the "data" you are wiping...you are not wiping your personal data, just data associated with the prior rom. So when you go to a new rom you remove traces of the old rom plus anything that may be in the cache. Having old rom settings can interfere with your new rom. Your personal data (photos, music, etc) will still be there. You only need to restore apps.
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Yeah I think you're right, I've always associated data with apps only. What other data is out there? (not being smart, serious question lol)
Information that relates to the system level processes. Remnants that get left behind after clearing the different caches too.
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gcodori said:
You might be confusing what the "data" you are wiping...you are not wiping your personal data, just data associated with the prior rom. So when you go to a new rom you remove traces of the old rom plus anything that may be in the cache. Having old rom settings can interfere with your new rom. Your personal data (photos, music, etc) will still be there. You only need to restore apps.
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disconnecktie said:
Information that relates to the system level processes. Remnants that get left behind after clearing the different caches too.
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oh.. well now wiping makes more sense haha
osuron07 said:
oh.. well now wiping makes more sense haha
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Maybe this is to much to ask, but what exactly is in data/davlik/cache that is so harmful to new roms that they must be wiped? (I understand data more now).
osuron07 said:
Maybe this is to much to ask, but what exactly is in data/davlik/cache that is so harmful to new roms that they must be wiped? (I understand data more now).
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Data from another rom will conflict with a different rom and cause issues..different coding etc etc its quite a few reasons honestly..just wipe data,cache,dalvik cache and don't worry about why wipe unless u like force closes and such lol
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armyboy11b said:
Data from another rom will conflict with a different rom and cause issues..different coding etc etc its quite a few reasons honestly..just wipe data,cache,dalvik cache and don't worry about why wipe unless u like force closes and such lol
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Fair enough haha
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Never restore system settings or apps with titanium backup.
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Hi,
I understand why you would not restore system settings but not apps? User downloaded apps that titanium has backed up should be ok.
Thanks,
Bryan
I'm not talking about user apps. System apps. Do not back those up. The only system data that can be restored are SMS,call log, and mail.
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disconnecktie said:
I'm not talking about user apps. System apps. Do not back those up. The only system data that can be restored are SMS,call log, and mail.
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Oh ok thanks
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I'm not talking about user apps. System apps. Do not back those up. The only system data that can be restored are SMS,call log, and mail.
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I've been wondering that for a while, so with any ROM u can restore the data from the sms
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With the paid version of titanium backup you can restore SMS but I don't know about cross rom. Its worth a shot though.
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With the paid version of titanium backup you can restore SMS but I don't know about cross rom. Its worth a shot though.
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K will try as soon the new build of liquid ics releases, I will tell u if it works
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Quick question. I am going to flash a new ics rom soon and have done things like this before, but I always am required to wipe everything before I do it. How do I get everything back after this? I know titanium backup can help with some of that, but not all. I want to do this in the morning before class and still be able to use phone normally in class. How can I do this? Thanks
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What kind of data?
With something like this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ext.recovery.control&hl=en
I agree, what kind of data? All contacts should be synced with google and you shouldn't restore system data between roms, it can cause problems. I use titanium backup for all apps/app data.
"We're coming from a pure power source."
I use mybackup root.. no issues so far
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I know how to back up and restore apps, my question is restoring the theme and look so that all of the apps return to the same folders, wallpaper is the same, widgets etc. Is that possible after a full wipe?
Thanks.
Not really. Some of the settings might be saved but the rest you need to do on your own. You just gotta do it the once because you really don't need to do a complete wipe that often.
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Sorry. But not really.
I have been able to do it by backing up all user apps and system data in Titanium. Then Restore them all back. This should work but only if you are going from a rom with the same base as the new rom (ex. touchwiz to ics won't work). Also restoring system data has a tendency to cause problems in the rom eventually. The best way is to restore the apps and then recreate everything u had before.
You can do that but you might as well dirty flash at that point.
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For those of you who use this, how effective is it vs titanium backup?
5 stars
Imho it is the gold standard.
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It works fairly well. Remembers apps, different settings like wifi spots, bookmarks.
For app specific data, it's hit or miss. Mainly because it's up to the developer to decide if they want to include their app in the backup service.
That being said, I use titanium 99.9% of the time, just so I know for sure that my app data is being saved.
Thanks for the replies. TB used to be reliable, but now I've found restoring data is hit and miss; can cause many fc's.
I'll go ahead and try Googles backup system i guess
bighuta said:
Thanks for the replies. TB used to be reliable, but now I've found restoring data is hit and miss; can cause many fc's.
I'll go ahead and try Googles backup system i guess
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Really? I don't think I've ever had a fc through titanium.
bernechad said:
Really? I don't think I've ever had a fc through titanium.
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I flash quite a bit, especially with my old epic 4g. Went from gingerbread stock to CM9 to AOKP often. When restoring data for certain apps, it can cause issues
bighuta said:
I flash quite a bit, especially with my old epic 4g. Went from gingerbread stock to CM9 to AOKP often. When restoring data for certain apps, it can cause issues
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I've personally run it from eclair to ics, on hero, droid, nexus one, evo, evo shift, thunderbolt, transformer, transformer prime and now evolte. stock, fresh, viper, miui, aokp, evervolv, revolver, cm and never a fc. I'm pretty sure the problem would be with the apps themselves, not titanium.
Google backup? Where and how?
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jirafabo said:
Google backup? Where and how?
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It's not an app its just the backup option in the phone itself. I dont have my phone in front of me but its somewhere in the settings where you can check a box that allows google to backup and restore your apps and settings if you have to factory reset.
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Google backup? Where and how?
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Settings> Privacy> Backup my settings
I'm pretty sure that's it. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.
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So I flashed a gummy ics from to my friends fascinate. Had a bit of trouble with the restore, unfortunately losing the contacts. It still runs a bit slow and all the programs lag and force close. I've ran fix permissions countless times. Any suggestions?
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m4gkman said:
So I flashed a gummy ics from to my friends fascinate. Had a bit of trouble with the restore, unfortunately losing the contacts. It still runs a bit slow and all the programs lag and force close. I've ran fix permissions countless times. Any suggestions?
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wrong section...but anyway find my guide in the general section, look up section 4, go with the latest aokp build 40.
droidstyle said:
wrong section...but anyway find my guide in the general section, look up section 4, go with the latest aokp build 40.
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Thanks man, I'll try that stuff when I get home. With doing the wipe, if I do a backup of all the apps and app data, doesnt that kind of make the data wipe redundant?
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Thanks man, I'll try that stuff when I get home. With doing the wipe, if I do a backup of all the apps and app data, doesnt that kind of make the data wipe redundant?
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depends on your back up methods. i use google to back up contacts and tibu to back up apps. after a data wipe i just resync goole and restore app only(no app data) from tibu and your back in business.
I always bypass the Google account, to do an app restore first. Only restore the data portion of the apps that are most important. Like a checkbook app, dolphin, Tapatalk, etc. The rest be sure to just restore the app.
One that's done add your Google account and let the contacts sync, etc.
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I just need something that does batch back ups, and relatively fast.
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you can use the app manager and root browser parts, just careful with the other options, you can mess up rom and have to sbf
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The real question is why not TiBu?
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The real question is why not TiBu?
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You can't use TiBu to backup CM7/Blur apps and restore them to CM9.
.... You will get the same results using any restore program to go from gb to ics... Has nothing to do with tibu but the fact that most apps are a bit diff on ics
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LordRalh3 said:
.... You will get the same results using any restore program to go from gb to ics... Has nothing to do with tibu but the fact that most apps are a bit diff on ics
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So I can't restore any of my apps to CM9 in any way?
From my understanding, apps can be backed up and restored with no issues. They are just apps you will be downloading again from the Play Store anyway. Your system apps though, dont try. Use titanium backup to backup your USER apps and their data and thats it. No system data or system apps or anything else. When you get CM9 installed, they should restore with no problem.
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From my understanding, apps can be backed up and restored with no issues. They are just apps you will be downloading again from the Play Store anyway. Your system apps though, dont try. Use titanium backup to backup your USER apps and their data and thats it. No system data or system apps or anything else. When you get CM9 installed, they should restore with no problem.
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Have you used CM9 yet? I want to be sure.
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Have you used CM9 yet? I want to be sure.
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I'm on cm9 now. I don't remember if I restored from TiBu after switching or not. But the worst that will happen is it will give you and error or it will install but not open. But I really don't think you will have problems. Just don't mess with the system settings and system apps.
If you're worried about losing something, just do a nandroid backup of your ROM before doing anything. Then if something goes wrong, restore the nandroid.
I haven't had a single error restoring apps in cm9 using TiBu. I never restore system stuff anyway but I can see where it would cause problems with the different framework.
Is everyone on CM9 for the X2 liking it so far? I was CM9 for the X but my X crapped out on me and Verizon is sending me a X2 as replacement. I understand the cam corder still isn't working but has anyone tried using LG Camera for the cam corder? It worked for me on the X with CM9.
Arbybear said:
I just need something that does batch back ups, and relatively fast.
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I have used App Backup and Restore before but found that in flashing ROMs it is best to just re-install via Google or nandroid back.