With quite a few people jumping ship, here's the obvious question: using the current best JB ROM for Flyer (e.g. Dexter's), how does the Flyer stack up to the N7?
Considering its newest model tablet on the market and compaired specs I would pikc the N7 any day.
N7roduct Type Web tablet
Operating System Android 4.1 Jelly Bean
Display
Type 7 in,
IPS TFT active matrix - LED backlight
Display Resolution 1280 x 800 ( 216 ppi )
Features Scratch-resistant surface,
Corning Gorilla glass
Processor
Processor NVidia Tegra 3
Number of Cores Quad-Core
Memory
Flash Memory 8 GB
RAM 1 GB
Communications
Wireless Connectivity NFC,
Bluetooth,
Wi-Fi
Camera
Front-facing Camera 1.2 Megapixel
Location
GPS Navigation GPS receiver
Multimedia
Audio Microphone , Speaker
Expansion and Connectivity
Interfaces 1 x Micro-USB
Battery
Capacity 4325 mAh
Run Time 10 hour(s)
Miscellaneous
Sensors Gyro sensor,
Accelerometer,
Magnetometer
Features Bluetooth ,
GPS ,
Front camera
Dimensions & Weight
Width 7.8 in
Depth 10.45 mm
Height 0.4 in
Weight 0.7 lbs
Flyer:
Packaged Quantity 1
Product Type Web tablet
Operating System Android
Display
Type 7 in,
TFT active matrix
Display Resolution 1024 x 600
Processor
Processor Clock Speed 1.5 GHz
Memory\
Flash Memory 32 GB
RAM 1 GB
Supported Flash Memory Cards microSD,
microSDHC
Communications
Cellular Protocols HSPA,
EDGE,
GPRS,
WCDMA,
GSM
Band W-CDMA 900/2100 / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
Max Transfer Rate 14.4 Mbps
Wireless Connectivity Bluetooth 3.0,
802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth Profiles Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP)
Camera
Rear-facing Camera 5 megapixels
Focus Adjustment Automatic
Capture Formats 3GP
Front-facing Camera 1.3 Megapixel
Location
GPS Navigation GPS receiver
Multimedia
Supported Digital Video Formats WMV,
MPEG-4,
AVI,
3GP,
XviD,
MPEG-4 ASP
Audio Microphone , Speaker
Supported Digital Audio Formats WMA,
AAC,
WAV,
OGG,
AMR,
MP3,
MIDI
Software
Preloaded Software HTC Sense,
Calendar,
Mail
Expansion and Connectivity
Expansion Slot(s) 1 x microSDHC
Interfaces 1,
Power
Voltage Required AC 120/230 V
Battery
Capacity 4000 mAh
Miscellaneous
Sensors G-sensor,
Ambient light sensor,
Digital compass
Features GPS ,
Front camera ,
Rear camera ,
Expandable memory ,
Bluetooth
Included Accessories Stylus
Dimensions & Weight
Width 4.92 in
Depth 0.51 in
Height 7.68 in
Weight 14.8 oz
Specs speak for themselves.
Limited storage and no hdmi out. I am tempted to buy a nexus 7 but in the end it is not capable of replacing my Flyer. I would have to keep both
Flyer
Just sayin I'm savin up for the galaxy tab 2 7.0. I love samsung equipment!
Downside on Flyer - old OS or incomplet JB.
Downside on N7;
no pen
no sd card
low storage
no camera (only front one 1.2)
no 3G
no hdmi
some better hardware thow, but with some well known problems with display problems
Nexus 7 aint cheap for no reason looking at all what it does not provide.
N7 simply can not replace Flyer. At least not for me. Seeking for something alse in time if we dont get polished JB.
Edit:
Just realized that our JB rom has less non working stuff that nexus 7 has les then flyer
jprednik said:
Downside on Flyer - old OS or incomplet JB.
Downside on N7;
no pen
no sd card
low storage
no camera (only front one 1.2)
no 3G
no hdmi
some better hardware thow, but with some well known problems with display problems
Nexus 7 aint cheap for no reason looking at all what it does not provide.
N7 simply can not replace Flyer. At least not for me. Seeking for something alse in time if we dont get polished JB.
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Just realized that our JB rom has less non working stuff that nexus 7 has les then flyer
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They n7 has all but replaced my flyer with a couple minor exceptions. Navigon still doesnt work on the n7, so the flyer is my gps unit. No mic in jack, so the flyer is still used for skype/teamspeak...
As for the other points made:
No pen... I don't use the pen, so...
No sd card... That was one thing that originally kept me back from buying an n7, but as it turns out, I don't really need the extra space.
Low storage... 16gb is low?
No (rear facing) camera... I have taken all of 5 pictures with my flyer in the year+ I've had it. Even then, the pictures were awful quality.
No 3g.... Neither does my flyer
No hdmi.... I have used mhl a total of zero times on my flyer...
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Everyone's use is different. I use mhl everyday and use a min if 20-30gb
If you don't use the features your loosing the nexus 7 is superior easily. As for how they perform side by side with jelly bean, that's hard to say as their isn't an oem quality jelly bean rom for the Flyer yet, may never be. Honestly probably about the same, flyer might have the edge on gaming believe it or not because stuff has to be optimized for tegra or it won't perform well. But again that's assuming you have a perfect jelly bean rom, which the flyer lacks.
One thing you'll loose over the flyer though is a nice community. The nexus 7 is popular, and a ton of people are complaining about defects and the community is blasting them for it. It's a nightmare. It's about like the chaos you'd expect having a kegger in your living room
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Ok so it goes even more; no vibra lol
and worse game performance on N7 then flyer.
Ok what again does it N7 then actually do better? Browse internet pages?
Now it really makes sence why it was so cheap compared to Flyer.
Gaming performance is better but right now developers haven't optimized a whole lot of games for tegra 3. Gameloft for instance. Nexus 7 users are complaining constantly about frame rate issues. But in the long run it'll be better for gaming you can bet on that, developers are working on it. Just sayin now I realize why people *****ed about tegra 3. Tegra chipsets blow everything our of the water... If stuff is optimized for it. Other chipsets work like direct x on a pc
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Hello XDA!
I was just wondering if you could have any feature, any software, any hardware anything at all on an android tablet, what would it be?
What would your dream tablet offer? 7" format? IPS LCD screen? unlocked hardware? bluetooth tether?
The sky's the limit! be creative
I don't really think this belongs in Chef Central... maybe general or something like that. Its not really to do with ROM development, so it shouldn't really be here.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads like this around too, if you are stuck for where to put it.
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Yeah, this does not belong in this section.
But to humor the guy I would like:
Code:
17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 485M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition ( 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46GHz, 6.4GT/sec QPI, 6 Cores )
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
12GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Three of these: 160GB Intel SATA2 Solid State Disk Drive
6X BD-R Blu-ray Burner/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
TVT-6012, USB ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM HDTV TUNER
Fingerprint reader
and more! :D
codybear said:
Yeah, this does not belong in this section.
But to humor the guy I would like:
Code:
17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 485M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition ( 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46GHz, 6.4GT/sec QPI, 6 Cores )
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
12GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Three of these: 160GB Intel SATA2 Solid State Disk Drive
6X BD-R Blu-ray Burner/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
TVT-6012, USB ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM HDTV TUNER
Fingerprint reader
and more! :D
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In a device 7mm thin that would be one epic tablet
Sent from my Nexus S
hahaha, I know rrright.
Well actually those specs are of this laptop I'm looking at.
codybear said:
hahaha, I know rrright.
Well actually those specs are of this laptop I'm looking at.
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I envy you that is one monster indeed! I've got some Core Duo with Vista, but it does have Bluray
Well it's going to take me a little bit longer before I can buy the base model and start the upgrading process to that beast of a beast that will last me for quite some time (with minor upgrades/repairs here and there).
I currently have a netbook though, and it's a dual core 2.2ghz with 2gb of ram. All I know is I will marry that thing once it's finished. haha
Thanks for the humor
I realized as soon as I posted that it was in the wrong section.
Actually, speaking of chefs, I'm working on a new brand of android tablet that will be coming out later this year, would you be interested in doing any testing/development on it?
7 in capacitive multitouch
tegra 2 or equivilent processor
1 gb RAM
16 gb internal Storeage
hdmi
fullsize usb
slide out qwerty
removable batttery (see the witsech a81)
gps/bluetooth
car dock (for use as gps)
and i want all that for less that $400
bigwooly said:
7 in capacitive multitouch
tegra 2 or equivilent processor
1 gb RAM
16 gb internal Storeage
hdmi
fullsize usb
slide out qwerty
removable batttery (see the witsech a81)
gps/bluetooth
car dock (for use as gps)
and i want all that for less that $400
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Interesting...
a full size usb would make it thick(er), what if there was a microUSB that was unlocked so you could use an adapter?
wouldn't you prefer a bluetooth keyboard over a slideout that large? then you could also use it while it's docked in the car.
a removable battery is also an interesting idea too.
For $400 the screen type would suffer I think, low pixel density and not so great color. screen type is one of the more costly components.
What about battery life/weight? they are hand in hand, with the removable battery I guess the battery could be smaller so the unit could weight less.
i would love an all in one package. I don't want to have to carry the bluetooth keyboard. It may be an unreasonable concept.
As long as the color on the screen is decent it doesn't really matter. For me it's much more about the touch portion with this type of device. I want it to have a good, accurate, responsive screen if i'm going to drop that kind of money on it.
To give you an idea of where i am in my tablet phase.
I've already owned a Sylvania SYNET7LP which was full of suck out of the box but with some tweaking became nice little device. One of my biggest issues was typing on it. hence the mention of a slider. if the touchscreen was good enough you could ditch the slider i'm just looking for overall package.
I'm currently in the market for tablet number 2 budget around $250.
the front runner is http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...-capacitive-4GB-512MB-1-0ghz-wholesalers.html
It's missing some of the features i listed but you said "Dream" tablet right?
Limetab said:
a removable battery is also an interesting idea too.
What about battery life/weight? they are hand in hand, with the removable battery I guess the battery could be smaller so the unit could weight less.
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a removable battery also speaks a lot to the life expectancy of the device. removable means replaceable. replaceable means the device was build not to be a disposable device once the battery has been shot.
as for my reasoning for a full size usb it's pure convenience. The Sylvania i have has the damn dongle and it's just one more thing to have to carry and potentially loose.
7" Capactive 2 point Multitouch
800 x 480 resolution
Micro usb for charging
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU 800Mhz or more
256mb RAM
512 -1024 mb ROM
MicroSD slot
Microphone
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
External Speaker of average quality
$150 USD
10" Capactive multipoint Multitouch
1280 x 800 resolution
Micro usb with host mode (so can plug in usb mouse/keybd/external 2.5" HDD)
?Serperate micro usb power jack, so can charge + use microusb at same time
HDMI mini/micro out (720P output)
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU/GPU that is able to decode H264 720P/1080P 4.1 reference frames
512mb RAM (maybe 1024MB)
4GB ROM
MicroSD slot (hot swapable if possible)
Microphone
Front facing 1MP camera
Rear facing 3MP camera (Capable of 720P 30fps video)
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
?Replaceable battery
External Speaker of reasonable quality
$300 USD
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/gadget-talk/127527-dreamphone.html
i made that originally for a dream phone... but considering that smartphones and tablets are "merging" on the same hardware spectrum... i might as well throw that out to anyone who wanted to look... and its NOT specific to WM or Android even so it fits perfect here...
Although, if you look, I didnt stretch the DREAM part as far as some people seem to be able to stretch it, im thinking real work tech available, but phone/carrier company's too stupid (read, they want to milk us all for MAX $$$ instead of just providing one large massive uber pwnage upgrade that would effectively end cycled purchases every year, the greedy fuks)
cheers...
Make some prototypes and hand them to the seasoned devs over here. Im sure everyone would support you.
Wat did you have in mind.
High resolution screen and accurate multitouch is a must.
Oh, and something fast (tegra 2)
10" super amoled like screen with wxga 1280x800
no thicker than 9mm
qualcomm "krait" 2.5 Ghz quadcore
2GB of ram-expandable
32GBx2 ultrathin flash storage modules (ex: toshiba blade x-gale ssd)-expandable
8mp cam rear with 1080p @ 30fps and 720 @ 60fps
2mp front
hdmi/usb/e-sata
all other standard stuff. wifi/bluetooth/4GLTE/etc.
fully unlocked hardware
honeycomb
10hr battery life on
breaking banks here
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7" Capactive 2 point Multitouch
800 x 480 resolution
Micro usb for charging
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU 800Mhz or more
256mb RAM
512 -1024 mb ROM
MicroSD slot
Microphone
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
External Speaker of average quality
$150 USD
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http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/
That is almost exactly what you want Just no GPS unfortunately
I currently have a Motorola Xoom and I do love it, but I have come to realize that comfortably holding it with one hand while using it is not easy. It's constantly slipping out of my hands while I try to maneuver it around. I would like something just a bit more portable and maneuverable. So I am looking for a good 7" android tablet with 3G capability. Here are the specs I am looking for:
OS: Android 2.2 or 2.3
Screen: Capacitive Multi-touch
Processor: Dual-core (if possible, but not necessary)
RAM: 512MB (at least)
Internal Memory: 2GB minimum (4GB-8GB preferred)
Memory Expansion: MicroSD is a MUST!
WiFi: 802.11 B/G/N (Prefer Dual-Band N, but not necessary)
Mobile: 3G (4G would be nice too, but not necessary)
Price: Prefer under $200 but under $300 is more reasonable.
The closet tablets I have found to these specs are the Samsung Galaxy Tab and the Dell Streak 7. I would like something that has a decent developer backings because I do love modding with ROMs and such. What scares me about the Dell Streak 7 is all the reports of soft bricking it by the NAND becoming Read-Only.
So any tablet gurus out there know of anything that meets the above specs? Thank you for your time!
- JR -
Am actually looking for the same thing.
I've been using the Nook Color with CM7 and feel it is the perfect size for me as I do a lot of reading with the odd bit of surfing. It's perfect for reading on the train (with one hand).
For me, what's missing is 3G capability to be truly on the go but have not found anything at the moment. Would also be nice to have Honeycomb.
I'm waiting on the Galaxy Tab 8.9 which could just be the sweet spot in terms of size but would like to have a hands on. Also it is a bit more expensive. Maybe a Viewsonic 7" as well based on some quick searches or a Dell Streak (would be curious from other Viewsonic or Streak owners on their ideas?).
We just order 1 Ematic eGlide 7" 4GB Tablet it appears to have what you are looking for. I will post more here once I get it and see what it is like.
I was in here looking for information on this tablet looks great. We read somewhere that the memory is upgradable..DDR2 SDRAM
Specs:
eGlide tablet with 7" touch screen has built-in Wi-Fi for easy connectivity at home or away. The 4GB flash memory lets you store up to 1,500 eBooks, 2,300 songs or 20 hours of video, all on a slim tablet that weighs less than a pound! Includes a 6-pc. accessory kit to enhance your enjoyment.
4GB built-in flash memory
256MB DDR2 SDRAM
SD/MMC card slot expands memory up to 16GB
Android 2.1 operating system
7" touch screen
Touch screen or track ball navigation
eBook reader, music and HD video (720p) player, photo viewer, email and web browser capabilities
Supports MP3, WMA, APE, FLAC, AAC, OGG and WAV audio files
Supports MKV (H.264 HP), AVI, RM, RMVB, FLV, MP4, MOV, VOB, DAT and 3BP video files
Supports PDF, TXT, Html, HTM and EPUB text files
Supports JPEG, JPG, BMP and GIF picture files
DSP graphics accelerator with 3G sensor
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g; requires wireless router or access to broadband internet connection
3G-network ready (requires adapter; not included)
Built-in camera
Integrated speaker
YouTube, calendar and map applications
HDMI output
USB port
Headphone jack
Built-in rechargeable lithium battery offers up to 10 hours music playback, 8 hours web browsing or 7 hours video playback
Includes USB cable, headphones and AC adapter/charger
Accessory kit includes screen protector, cleaning cloth, earphones, audio splitter, wall charger and USB car charger
Windows- and Mac-compatible
4.6"W x .25"D x 7.5"H
Weighs 13.2 oz.
Limited warranty
Ematic MID 7" Google Android OS Multimedia Tablet & Kobo eReader - 4GB with WiFi
I am just wondering how you like your Ematic? My wife found one on Ebay and thought it would be good for the kids for Christmas.
Good luck finding the original Galaxy Tab 7 inch (P1000 with 3G), even a used one.
Looks like the Dell Streak 7 is your best bet. There seems to be many refurb on ebay which cost < $200. This should be right in your budget.
If you have been using the Moto Xoom, you may find the single-core GTab a bit slow. I did have both the GTab and Streak 7 at one time (until I sold the Streak 7). I definite find the Tegra 2 of the Streak 7 much faster than the Hummingbird of the GTab in terms of app opening and screen transition / swiping. However, the reason I kept the GTab and not the Streak is that the GTab is far superior in terms of Adobe Flash performance - I am talking about watching Flash video in the web browser, NOT through Youtube app. I have the Gingerbread 2.3.3 Overcome ROM & kernel on the GTab and never had the urge to upgrade to HC or ICS, because it is running so well. If I remember correctly, I had DJ Steve's Streakdroid Gingerstreak on the Streak 7 when I sold it.
The GTab can play HD Flash video in the browser (all 720p smoothly, and even some 1080p in low bitrate). The Streak cannot even do 720p. There is a known problem of Tegra 2 with Adobe Flash, which affects all Tegra 2 tablets of that time including the Xoom, Streak 7, Galaxy Tab 8.9 and others. If you don't watch a lot of web videos and only stored videos, then both the GTab and Streak 7 do equally well at 720p.
The GTab also has great battery life (tested 5.5 hours on wifi watching web videos; tested 7.5-8 hours ebook reading + little wifi web browsing; dunno about standby time because I always plug it in when not in use). The Streak can only do 3.5 hour continuous wifi internet video and about 5-5.5 hour mixed activities.
I see many refurb Streak 7s on ebay, which come with Honeycomb. I have never used the Streak with HC (official or custom ROM), therefore I cannot tell you how good it is.
If you find your tablet slippery, you can always buy a gel back cover.
If you can wait a month or so, Google may be releasing a 3G Nexus 7. The only thing you'd be losing is the SD slot. But if you are used to using the Xoom you don't want to use Android 2.x on a tablet. The experience is so much worse IMO it feels like a giant phone. You should look with something with at least HC, preferably ICS or JB.
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If you can wait a month or so, Google may be releasing a 3G Nexus 7. The only thing you'd be losing is the SD slot. But if you are used to using the Xoom you don't want to use Android 2.x on a tablet. The experience is so much worse IMO it feels like a giant phone. You should look with something with at least HC, preferably ICS or JB.
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I really doubt any new model name brand 3G tablet would cost $250 or less.
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
cyprusx said:
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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Xperia Z for me please!
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Will have better colors on the Z tablet
I don't think the price will be the same :fingers-crossed: and it's not gonna get updated that fast
cyprusx said:
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
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The resolution on the XZ is better than the N10 because it's more practical. At 10+ inches away you won't see the difference in PPI between the two displays. And the lower resolution (but still FHD) display will use less CPU/GPU power and battery. Speaking of battery, 6,000 mAh is pretty small for a 10.1" tablet with a S4 Pro CPU and FHD display. That could be the XZ's Achilles Heal. The rest of the specs are indeed impressive.
Stock Android and stock Nexus are so good and at such a low price that they will keep me happy whilst I receive the timely Android updates
Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
ady_seray said:
N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
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According to numerous sources and GSMarena the nexus 10 has 3.0
If I need 4G/LTE, I'll just tether it to my Verizon phone I already have.
Otherwise, I see nothing in that list which would cause me to jump ship or even give a second thought about.
More than happy with the design and engineering on the N10.
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Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
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There's a similar debate about the value of PPI going on in the DNA forums. It matters less than you think. This is from that discussion...
BarryH_GEG said:
The biggest discussion point for newer devices like the N10 and now the DNA/Butterfly are their awesome displays. The thing people lose sight of (no pun intended) is that the human eye is only capable of processing and resolving images at a certain level. Any detail beyond that level is literally wasted. The 20/20 human eye has a maximum visual acuity of 1 arcminute. That is, two points must subtend an angle greater than 1 arcminute in order for a 20/20 eye to resolve the two points. What this means for displays is that pixels must have an angular subtense of 1 arcminute or greater in order for your eye to resolve the detail in the content. Detail below 1 arcminute isn't perceived by the human eye any differently whether a display has 267 PPI or 441 PPI. This is the reason Apple landed on the resolution they did hence the name "retina display." For example, the N2 has an arcminute subtense of 1.073 arcminutes which is nearly perfect and it has a PPI of 267. The DNA has an acrminute subtense of .66 and PPI of 441 which is a waste because anything below "1" can't be resolved by the human eye.
So super high definition displays are more a marketing gimmick, draw more CPU power, and drain the battery faster with the end result being your eyes won't notice any difference. I don't know what the exact numbers are for the Note and N10 but at 147 PPI the Note's above 1 arcminute and at 299 PPI the N10's below it. So you'll notice a difference on text and CGI (but not images and video) but it's not as pronounced as some people here have said unless they have super-human vision. And with the new fixation on resolution things like brightness, contrast, and color accuracy get swept under the rug because all people are focusing on is a PPI count rather than the actual quality of the display. In those areas the Note’s display outperforms the N10’s. And the 1080P display on the DNA isn’t as good in those areas as the 720P display on the One X it's supposedly better than. Remember that when you're salivating over a 441 PPI 1080P smartphone that’s going to be hyped to death this year.
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orangechoochoo said:
I bet if the Note2 had a 1080 screen owners would brag about it instead of saying that you can't tell the difference. If we cannot discern the difference between 720 and 1080 way is the S4 and other phones coming out with 1080 since it makes no difference?
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BarryH_GEG said:
You realize that with the human eye being the lowest common denominator the selection of PPI is being done ass backwards? Deciding on the optimum PPI for any given device should be an arithmatec equation; not manufacturers arbitrarily pulling numbers our of thier butts to out-feature each other. The above posts that talk about what the human eye can process are irrefutable fact. With an arcminute of "1" ideal for the human eye to process detail, the manufacturers should pick the lowest PPI that acheives "1" arcminute at 10-12" away which is the typical distance a smartphone is viewed. Why the lowest? Because the higher the PPI the bigger the drain on the battery, GPU, and CPU. And why reduce the performance of a device when the end result is the human eye can't process the additional detail being provided anyway? In addition, to achieve higher PPI, displays are suffering in brightness, contrast, and color reproduction. But nobody cares because they get to tell their friends "look, I've got a 1080P display!" Based on the numbers, outside of PPI, the One X has a better display than the DNA. It wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened between the SGS3's 720P display and the SGS4's 1080P display (unless SAMOLED scales differently). In the end none of this matters because whether it makes sense or not we're all going to end up with 1080P displays one way or the other because that's where manufacturer's marketing is taking us.
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And this is a good article explaining why pics and videos won't seem any sharper on a 720P, 1080P, or the N10's unique resolution display. And everything gets upscaled on the N10 which doesn't help with detail and image quality.
For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
I skimmed through your post and I apologize beforehand if I'm missing some nuances in your post, but I think you misread my post completely. The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text which is why I mentioned "text clarity." It is also why I said, if there is a sudden surge of 1440p displays, the N10's high resolution will be better than 1080p. This is simply because 1080p displays will be considered old tech and designers and such will move on to support 1440p displays. The chances of 1440p being adopted to be the standard this year is probably 0%.
I never said it mattered. In fact I always thought PPI is a gimmick and will always be a gimmick beyond 220ish.
Also, just to put it out there, I maintain a theme to up-res the icons on the N10 so those icons don't get upscaled; I'm pretty sure I know what drawbacks there are with having such a high resolution screen.
Another thing - you talk about image quality, but you quote someone talking about photos. Things that are drawn on a computer will be clearer than a photo by a long shot. Those types of images can take advantage of such a high resolution screen. Photography on the other hand really doesn't matter what resolution you view it on for the reason you quoted.
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The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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You're right in that if you hold it 10" away you won't see a difference. Unfortunately not all people do and there will always be people who can discern that difference.
I am also considering the Xperia Z tablet against the Nexus 10, here's a better comparison (taken from GSMArena).
Nexus 10
General 2G Network N/A
SIM No
Body Dimensions 263.9 x 177.6 x 8.9 mm (10.39 x 6.99 x 0.35 in)
Weight 603 g (1.33 lb)
Display Type Super PLS TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 2560 x 1600 pixels, 10.1 inches (~299 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 2
Sound Alert types N/A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot No
Internal 16/32 GB, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA
Bluetooth Yes, v3.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes, dual side
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 5 MP, 2592х1936 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, check quality
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected], check quality
Secondary Yes, 1.9 MP
Features OS Android OS, v4.2 (Jelly Bean), upgradable to v4.2.1 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Exynos 5250
CPU Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15
GPU Mali-T604
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Messaging Email, Push Email, IM, RSS
Browser HTML5
Radio No
GPS Yes, with GLONASS
Java No
Colors Black
- SNS integration
- HDMI port
- MP4/H.264/DivX/WMV player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/WMA/Flac player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 9000 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 500 h
Talk time Up to 9 h (multimedia)
Misc SAR US 1.38 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.21 W/kg (body)
Price group [About 310 EUR]
Tests Display Contrast ratio: 878 (nominal)
Loudspeaker Voice 68dB / Noise 66dB / Ring 67dB
Audio quality Noise -82.3dB / Crosstalk -81.4dB
Camera Photo / Video
Xperia Z Tablet
General 2G Network
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 2100 / 800
4G Network LTE 1800 / 1500 / 2100
SIM Micro-SIM
Announced 2013, January
Status Coming soon. Exp. release 2013, Q1
Body Dimensions 266 x 172 x 6.9 mm (10.47 x 6.77 x 0.27 in)
Weight 495 g (1.09 lb)
- IP57 certified - dust and water proof
Display Type LED-backlit LCD, capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 1200 x 1920 pixels, 10.1 inches (~224 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
- Sony Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2
Sound Alert types N\A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
- 3D surround sound enhancement
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 64 GB
Internal 32 GB storage, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
Speed HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 37.5 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps DL
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n, dual-band, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes
USB Yes, v2.0
Camera Primary 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, 2.2 MP, [email protected]
Features OS Android OS, v4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), planned upgrade to v4.2 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8064
CPU Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait
GPU Adreno 320
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, compass
Messaging Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML
Radio No
GPS Yes
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Black, White
- SNS integration
- MP4/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player
- Organizer
- Document viewer
- Photo viewer/editor
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 6000 mAh battery
If it was $399.99 and battery didn't suck I would probably get it. It also depends on whether or not I sell my Nexus 4 for a Xperia Z. My tablet will match my phone. Lol
Also depends on which is available in Canada first. More nexus 10 shipments or the the Xperia Z tablet in Canada
I also wish that they stuck with the 9.4 inch screen of their older models.
Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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299ppi>224ppi. I can see a big difference between 299 and 224 ppi. I prefer the nexus 10. I want 4k on 10".
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Sony is one of the most AOSP friendly manufactures out there so I doubt it. I am a Nexus guy for life but Sony builds some quality stuff and are good with updates. As fast as Nexus no, but they won't Samsung it and sit on an update for a year and update it at the same time Google releases that versions replacement.
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Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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The upper-bound threshold's been set by the Note 10.1 (32GB $549), N10 (32GB $499), and TF700 (32GB $499). So with 32GB of storage the Xperia Z won't be more than $499 (the Note gets away with more because of S Pen). If Sony's smart they'll price it at $449 to gain some traction in the market. Asus only sold 250K 10.1" tablets a month in Q3 and the TF300 had a MSRP of $349. High-end Android tablets just don't sell well. The Note 10.1 was selling a million a month in Q3 so that makes it an exception. We'll see if that run rate continued in to Q4 when analysts disect Samsung's earnings. Also keep in mind that the specs shown are for the Japanese market Xperia Z. The global and U.S versions could be different. And until something's confirmed at MWC next month we don't even know for sure if there will be global and U.S. versions.
SONY Xperia Z Ultra 2 [Desired Specifications]-To Encourage Better All-In-One Phones for the Future
I have been looking at developments in mobile phones and the current XZU/ZU GPe and some of the Chinese competition to the big brands and decided to make the following list of desired features in a near-future phablet. I believe a phablet with all the below listed features will definitely be the Ultimate Mobile Phablet. I hope that someone from SONY or any other competitive brand will take notice of the desired specification below to create the best phablet that will stand out from the crowd. My aim is to encourage discussion and draw the attention of manufacturers and I really hope that someone will take notice.
I have also read on various blogs online and also read on XDA that there is a rumour that the XZU/ZU GPe may be discontinued and that a successor may not be released. I really hope that this is not the case and that SONY will release a device that will put all the wrongs of the 1st gen device right and better them. There is not much wrong with the form factor of this device. what is wrong is SONY's implementation or non implementation (lack of led flash, stylus) of features that are important to a growing userbase that is keen to use one device as an all-in-one phone and tablet user.
Given how much space is wasted on the construction of the XZU/ZU GPe, I have decided that since there is not much difference between 6.45" and 6.95" that this size be the most optimum/maximum size for the Phablet category of devices and that any device that starts with 7.0" or above to be in tablet category so I hope that I won't be criticised for this choice of screen size. Furthermore, with the rest of the specification I have tried to be as realistic as possible given the current implemenations of most of the technologies listed below by many well known and Asian manufacturers (ZTE Nubia X, ZOPO, LG, Huawei, Alcatel One Touch Hero, Vivo and many others) Enjoy the reading and have fun!
6.95” Inches Thin Bezel True Capacitive Touchscreen, 16M Colors Triluminos Display with 2K 2560x1440 Resolution, X-Reality and E-Ink Mode for Battery Efficient E-Book Reading
Integrated Wacom or N-trig Active Digitizer Stylus
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™805/810 with 2.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor with Krait 400
Integrated Glasses Free 3D Content Viewing
3GB RAM
32GB/64GB/128GB Internal Memory Options
Dual SIM+Dual Standby 2G/3G/CDMA/LTE/LTE-A/TD/FD-LTE All Versions Worldwide 2-in-1 microSIM Tray
MicroSD Slot with up to 128GB Expandable Capacity
Dual Dolby Surround Sound Stereo Speakers and 3.5mm Jack
Quad Microphone with Noise Cancellation and HD Sound
Primary: 20.7Mp 4K, OIS, Auto Focus, Dual LED Camera with Simultaneous HD Video and Image Recording, Geo-Tagging, Touch Focus, Face and Smile Detection, Image Stabilization, Panorama, HDR
Secondary: 13Mp, 1080p, Auto Focus Front Facing Camera
Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual-Band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi Hotspot
Integrated GPS with A-GPS/GLONASS Support
Accelerometer, Gyro, Proximity, Compass
Bluetooth 4.0 with NFC, A2DP and LE
Infrared IR Port
Stereo FM and DAB Radio with RDS
Mini HDMI with MHL Integration
MicroUSB 3.0 with USB On-the-go, USB Host and Magnetic Charging
Wireless Charging
Removable Li-Ion 4250mAh/5000mAh Battery
Dust and Water Resistant Metal Construction
- Fingerprint sensor (PayPal certified)
- IP58 certified - dust and water resistant
- Water resistant up to 1 meter and 30 minutes
Android 4.4.3/4.5 with Dedicated SONY Pro Xperia Launcher and UI Optimisations and Hybrid Tablet UI Option.
179.5 x 92.2 x 7.9 mm
215-225 g
3 Yrs Dedicated Worldwide Warranty with Express Care Service
Colours Options; Pure Black, Pure White and Carbon Black and Carbon White with Full Body Colour
on the Front Bezels as well as the Back.
OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES:
SONY Bluetooth 4.0 Detachable Full QWERTY 5 Row Keyboard with Case
SONY Bluetooth 4.0 NFC Speaker Dock
SONY Wireless Charging and microUSB 3.0 Sync Plate
SONY Xenon Quad LED Video Light with 3.5mm Connection
SONY Rechargeable Battery Case 10000 mAh for Extended 4K Pro Use
SONY SmartWatch 3 with Dedicated XZU Apps
SONY Duo Dual Micro/USB Flash Drive for External Backup
SONY XZU Handheld Expanding Tripod Accessory
SONY External 720p/1080p Mini Projector Dock
Ask that waterproof with removable battery? I didn't think so.
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Jammol said:
Ask that waterproof with removable battery? I didn't think so.
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Think about the Samsung Galaxy S5 which has some form of water and dust resistancy. I am happy with this level of protection for the sake of having a removable rear cover.
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Think about the Samsung Galaxy S5 which has some form of water and dust resistancy. I am happy with this level of protection for the sake of having a removable rear cover.
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The ZU has a removable back, just a little heat and a guitar pick will do it
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The ZU has a removable back, just a little heat and a guitar pick will do it
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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One thing with the xperia range is that a friend of mine left her's on the roof of her car car over the weekend, came off at ~80km. Battery stayed intact and she could find it with GPS. Try that with a removable battery.
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6.95” Inches Thin Bezel True Capacitive Touchscreen, 16M Colors Triluminos Display with 2K 2560x1440 Resolution, X-Reality and E-Ink Mode for Battery Efficient E-Book Reading
I would like the size to remind the same so if they can increase screensize without making it much bigger then cool. Wont mind it either way really.
As far as I am concerned, I wont mind it to still be 1080p. Too many people playing the numbers game
Integrated Wacom or N-trig Active Digitizer Stylus
That would be cool!
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™805/810 with 2.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor with Krait 400
Better be 810 by the time if comes out but more important that the new CPU speed...can we get a damn processor that runs cool enough where it does not slow down. Whats the point of super fast processor that can only run that speed for a few minutes before having to slow down due to thermal issues?
Integrated Glasses Free 3D Content Viewing
I love 3D!
3GB RAM
agree
32GB/64GB/128GB Internal Memory Options
Agree
MicroSD Slot with up to 128GB Expandable Capacity
For sure...no google style nonsense here without MicroSD slots
Dual Dolby Surround Sound Stereo Speakers and 3.5mm Jack
could be cool but the sounds is going to be lame anyway..its physics lol
Primary: 20.7Mp 4K, OIS, Auto Focus, Dual LED Camera with Simultaneous HD Video and Image Recording, Geo-Tagging, Touch Focus, Face and Smile Detection, Image Stabilization, Panorama, HDR
As a photographer, what I want to see is at most a 12MP camera , wouldnt mind if it was 8MP in order to get better low light quality. I dont care for this silly MP race in such tiny sensors. When I want and need a big quality image, I use my camera.
Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual-Band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi Hotspot
Integrated GPS with A-GPS/GLONASS Support
Accelerometer, Gyro, Proximity, Compass
Bluetooth 4.0 with NFC, A2DP and LE
Infrared IR Port
Stereo FM and DAB Radio with RDS
Mini HDMI with MHL Integration
MicroUSB 3.0 with USB On-the-go, USB Host and Magnetic Charging
Wireless Charging
Removable Li-Ion 4250mAh/5000mAh Battery
I am willing to sacrifice thickness for a removable battery!
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I added my comments to some of the things I would change from your specs.
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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Because Samsung settles with subpar build quality. Sony does - or tries, not to.
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If it has a removable back and battery it could only be water resistant, not waterproof. Unless they come up with some new tech that makes the back cover seal each time, which I doubt would happen anytime soon on a smartphone.
This phone doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is. I have huge hands and it still stretches me a bit and I have to use both hands sometimes. I will definitely not be getting the new one if the size increases. Also it's too thin. Yes it is sexy, yes it is sleep and it might be the thinnest or whatever, but that inevitably causes it's downfall which is why so many were/are cracking from being in the pockets. If it's going to be so thin, it needs to be more rigid, or just make it flex!
Not So Finally.....BEZELS!!! OMG!!! I understand why they are so huge at the top and bottom, but damn they could have at least made them off the screen, just like the ION. Damn I miss that phone for that feature. Next ZU should have OFF SCREEN navigation buttons like the ION did.
I don't personally use Flash, but at least put a better/Great camera on the thing!!!
16GBs is way too small!!! It's 2014, WTF SONY?!!! From Last year onward, NO HIGHEND SMARTPHONE SHOULD HAVE ANY LESS THAN 32GB of freakin' STORAGE MEMORY!!!! MY DAMN FLASHDRIVE HAS MORE THAN MY FREAKING PHONE!!! It classified as an Entertainment Device is it not?! At least that's what the lady in the promo video and photos was using it for!!! Can't watch all them movies with 16GBs! And yes I know that's what an SDCard is for. That's why I own one. But it would be nice to have more device storage!
Cases!!! It needs cases!!!
A waterproof devices with removable battery is possible. But it won't be as thin nor as solid.
I'm afraid 7" is a bit to big for me. Used to owned 2 7" phone enable tablet. But it's too wide for the pockets.
I also owned the T2 ultra as well, it's an impressive device which fix most of ZU problem but add in a few mid ranger problem as well.
I would be happy if the Z2U has a bigger screen but at the same width, a flash, better camera, 2 front facing stereo speakers and a 64bit processor.
Not sure if I want a 2k screen. The T2 can lass at least 10 hours of screen on time at the same battery capacity as the ZU. I also happens to own the vaio pro 11 during the fire sales. Do hope sony bring carbon fibre to the xperia lines.
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Dual sim, 64gb & 128gb internal memory, Dolby, Quad microphone, 13mp Secondary camera, Removable battery all are too much to expect, and I doubt would happen in the next ultra device.
6.2 inch with QHD, IPS kind of Z2 (lower power i suppose), 3400mAh battery, snapdragon 805, 3GB of RAM, thicker profile max at 7mm, no shatter proof sheet, dual stereo speaker like Z2, and 13mp with 2x clear zoom (or 5mp downsampled quality) Then I'm sold. Big bezel down and top, that's ok, as long as there are speakers below.
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Has to have a very good front facing camera for them selfies.
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Must be 6 mm thick.
Hi-fi sound.
2 speakers or a decent one. Heck the speakers may resemble the looks of 4k bravia tv's speakers, there is room for it.
21 mp first camera, 5 mp front.
Paypal enabled fingerprint sensor.
6.2" qhd screen.
Fast charging.
Must keep the top and bottom bezels or hello to ghost touches.
Make it more fingerprint friendly please.
The outer frame can be metallic but not shiny (apple slate) not black.
Camera shutter button would be great.
Snapdragon 805.
3 gigs of ram.
Noise cancellation earphones out of the box.
More cases.
And a goodbye letter to galaxy note 4 in a romantic way.
Well, some of the desired spec you need, the Chinese manufacturer has already implemented it....it just not Sony that is...
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Well, some of the desired spec you need, the Chinese manufacturer has already implemented it....it just not Sony that is...
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Above specs with Sony build quality from the Chinese? I think I'll pass.
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Above specs with Sony build quality from the Chinese? I think I'll pass.
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Well, i said it because Nubia X-6 has almost the same spec as op desired (not all but some)...like 13mp front and back, 4+++ mah battery, 2 and 3 gb ram, 2 sims, 32,64,128gb memory....same size 6.44 inch...and some...
I like the Chinese to make these kinda phone cause the olden day's they make crappy and clone phone, but now they have step up the game to make their own signature phone and what i like about them is they will put everything inside to max the hardware...all known branded manufacturer will put some of the thing big but keep some mediocre, maybe to make it not to expensive...
What i think if sony do that with their flagships, i think people will switch to sony in a flash...i know i will...
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The Ultra GPe is officially out of stock on the Play Store, so that's probably a goodbye for the GPe version.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...play-editions-out-of-stock-on-the-play-store/
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Here's to hoping for a sony zu 2
I just bought CECT Note 3 N9006 clone from eBay Australia. It's a Samsung clone. The spec which is impressive, is copied and pasted below for your reference.
When it arrived, it looks every bit like a Samsung Note 3. The display is very clear, and that is probably the only good feature about this phone.
I found the memory stated as 16G Rom and 1G RAM, far from the truth. I have about 2.6G and less than 200M of useable RAM. Although the memory displayed in the Phone Setting stated maximum RAM of 2G and 16G for ROM, when I downloaded Android Assistance, it shows far less memory.
Applications (any one) would run for a while and drop out for no reason. The GPS does not work. I have no missed calls when the phone is in my pocket because the phone automatically answers all the calls. Call can be received, if the phone is not in my pocket. The camera is difficult to focus and lighting is poor, despite my best effort.
There supplied me with new Flash ROM, stating it will fix everything. After many attempts, with incorrect USB drivers, I decided to return the phone.
So beware.
CPU / Operating System / Memory
CPU: MTK6589 1.2GHz Quad Core, 28nm Dolby®
Operating System: Android 4.3 Jelly Bean
ROM/RAM: 16GB/1GB
Display
5.7 inch (IPS) Full HD Full Angle Wide Screen
Full HD 1280x720, 16M Colours
Multi Touch Capacitive Panel
Scratch Resistant Glass Screen
Camera
Front Camera: 2.0Mega-pixels support camera & video calling
Rear Camera: 8.0Mega-pixels with Flash & Auto-Focus
Standard Android 4.3 Camera Software
Connectivity
3.5mm Stereo Aux-in Jack
Built-in MicroSD Card Slot expendable memory up to 32GB
Built-in MicroUSB V2.0 for charging & sync to PC
Built-in WiFi WLAN 802.11 b/g/n
Built-in Standalone GPS Receiver + a-GPS Receiver
Built-in Bluetooth V2.1
Built-in FM Stereo Radio
Sensors
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
3-Axis Gyro Sensor