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There seems to be confusion about posting ROMs in General or Developers section. I just reported a post and fjasked that a "stock" ROM be moved from the Dev section to the General section because recently another Stock ROM was in fact moved with the reason that all stock ROMs belong in General. The response to my report was "this is a tough call I ll move it but it could stay in dev". So, that is a very non-committal answer from a mod. In addition, this post, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184817, is an example of previous guidance on the subject. It clearly states that the Dev section is "only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY". I would agree with this guidance. Can we stop differentiating between stock and no-stock ROMs and place ALL ROMs in the Dev section, as stated in the above guidance? Thank you for you work and time. XDA is a great place. I am not whining or complaining. I am merely asking for clarification of this issue so we can move on.
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um, your "question" for clarification belongs in the Q section. Not General.
Also, reading the Dev section I think it is pretty clear that it is for rom development only.
Stock roms aren't development...in this case it's a link to a leaked rom. that's it...doesn't belong in development.
So, if the Mod moved it to General it was done correctly.
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um, your "question" for clarification belongs in the Q section. Not General.
Also, reading the Dev section I think it is pretty clear that it is for rom development only.
Stock roms aren't development...in this case it's a link to a leaked rom. that's it...doesn't belong in development.
So, if the Mod moved it to General it was done correctly.
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I been on here for some time across at least 6 phones, and I've never heard of such or seen this done.
It should be like how normal 90% of XDA works!
ROM/Kernels in Dev no matter if its stock or custom! That's it no argument! I had only three phone couple of tablets but whatever forum i went to. THis is the theory they followed! Very simple idk what's big deal about it! IDK why this ppl don't like that!
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um, your "question" for clarification belongs in the Q section. Not General.
Also, reading the Dev section I think it is pretty clear that it is for rom development only.
Stock roms aren't development...in this case it's a link to a leaked rom. that's it...doesn't belong in development.
So, if the Mod moved it to General it was done correctly.
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Your first sentence made me lol. You're right but I thought maybe since it was asking about the General then it could go in the General. Maybe it will be moved. Whatever.
Your second point is the crux of my question. If you read the guidance that I referenced it does not discriminate against stock ROMs. All ROMs are development, as are all kernels and other code. Code can be developed, whether it is stock code or other. Or at least that what I think.
I am anxious to see what the Moderators have to say. They have been very quiet on this issue.
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I been on here for some time across at least 6 phones, and I've never heard of such or seen this done.
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I agree with you, I've been here a while , thru a span of of six devices forums myself also(htc excalibur-tmo dash/htc tilt-kaiser/htc fuze-raphael/the first android OG "htc dream-Tmobile G1"/htc leo/hd2) and now here and all roms have always been in the rom development section, even stock roms that serve as base for custom roms are part of development .
I have been frequenting this site since my PPC6600 and all ROMs official or otherwise have been in a development section of some type. That goes back 5 + years (a very long time in tech years)
I don't know if that means anything to anyone, but us old guys don't like change =P.
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Yes that's what i m saying! We get used to it! Plus its the only one place to look for stock or custom! no need to poop all over the place! Common sense!
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I have been frequenting this site since my PPC6600 and all ROMs official or otherwise have been in a development section of some type. That goes back 5 + years (a very long time in tech years)
I don't know if that means anything to anyone, but us old guys don't like change =P.
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well guess i'll add my 2 cents too
ive been on XDA since Celluar One....., and all roms of any sort have always been in the development section that ive seen...
From ***Development Only Here - All Others Will Be Locked/Deleted!*** stickied at the top of the Development forum.
This forum is for posting Development projects only - ROMs, Kernels, Mods (but not Themes, there's a separate forum for them), not stock ROMs (they belong in General). Anything else will be moved or locked. Do not ask questions here, do not post requests here, they belong in General.
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Stock ROMs belong in General according to the rules. Not sure if they are enforced or not though.
I dunno why they changed the rule. Is it specific for AT&T Galaxy Note or in general? Because at least Captivate/i9000/i9100 section have 'stock ROM list' sticky on development section.
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From ***Development Only Here - All Others Will Be Locked/Deleted!*** stickied at the top of the Development forum.
Stock ROMs belong in General according to the rules. Not sure if they are enforced or not though.
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Madness.....
Even a mod agrees with us! We need to change this and put back all the stock stuff in dev section!
wardfan220 said:
Stock or not a rom is developed at some point, I've always kept them in the dev section If someone is looking for a stock rom to load, they're going to check the dev area first not general, imo. Not saying you're wrong, just my thought.
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Well according to those rules questions belong in general. Obviously it needs to be updated.
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MrJoran said:
From ***Development Only Here - All Others Will Be Locked/Deleted!*** stickied at the top of the Development forum.
Stock ROMs belong in General according to the rules. Not sure if they are enforced or not though.
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But is a "leaked" Rom to be considered stock? Phones don't ship with them....
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Leaked ROMs are still not something you made thus you aren't developing them, thus why would the go in development? I understand why people would want to put them there, but according to the rules, its not where they belong.
I really can't stand this! IF you really want to get this changed plz comment and let me know! Because i just don't like how this is going!
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I really can't stand this! IF you really want to get this changed plz comment and let me know! Because i just don't like how this is going!
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Lol, my vote would ba a mod (or eager poster) should compile one sticky of all stock and leaked roms into one sticky which can be posted at the top of the development section.
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ACTUALLY
ACTUALLY, this post doesn't belong in Q&A...
It belongs in the MAIN GENERAL section... I'm just saying...
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but yeah, the idea is stupid. they should change the rules...
Lol, who the hell cares? Just post it in one of the two and if a mod feels like moving it, let him. Personally I think any rom of any type should all go in one section so they're easy to find... but I'm not gonna cry about it if the mod wants it in general.
Just curious if this phone will get it's own forum or will it stay under the 3D forum? I figured since it was on HBOOT 1.57 and the older phone has 1.5 or 1.4, there would be some difference in dev work. Just wondering is all. Thanks to everyone here that has answered my questions btw!
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Just curious if this phone will get it's own forum or will it stay under the 3D forum? I figured since it was on HBOOT 1.57 and the older phone has 1.5 or 1.4, there would be some difference in dev work. Just wondering is all. Thanks to everyone here that has answered my questions btw!
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As far as I know, the cdma ROMs and such will work on the vm version. Having said that, it would be nice to have a separate forum to make answering questions easier. The mix of cdma and gsm in the Q&A forum makes answering questions difficult.
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As far as I know, the cdma ROMs and such will work on the vm version. Having said that, it would be nice to have a separate forum to make answering questions easier. The mix of cdma and gsm in the Q&A forum makes answering questions difficult.
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I agree with you coal686. I notice most of these roms are also for Sprint and it confuses people that have VM. It's overwhelming coming from a Motorola Triumph with a few good roms, to all these HTC roms! There's alot of them! Seems MMS is the biggest issue when installing it on the EVO V 4G. I think it's because of a VM way of handling MMS.
Thanks.
I would like to see the EVO V 4G get its own section as well. It's just a footnote in the EVO 3D forum right now and I'm having to do a lot of sifting to find stuff relevant to my device.
I would be interested in a forum as well
im thinking about getting this phone is it worth moving from a samsung galaxy s does it overheat much when heavy gaming the galaxy heats up a bit
I would say it should get it's own subforum. Much to hard to find posts relevant to this phone.
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I would say it should get it's own subforum. Much to hard to find posts relevant to this phone.
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Agreed, I think as the Evo V community grows we will eventually see our own subforum.
It'd be really nice if they could make one, because I just got this phone, and the mix between relevant and irrelevant info is sorta fustrating.
The Sony Xperia Ion has its own section...what a lemon it's turned out to be.
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coal686 said:
As far as I know, the cdma ROMs and such will work on the vm version. Having said that, it would be nice to have a separate forum to make answering questions easier. The mix of cdma and gsm in the Q&A forum makes answering questions difficult.
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To be honest, most people searching for help won't know the difference between GSM and CDMA, which will cause even more wrong section posts.
I don't think the EVO V needs a subforum since it's essentially a CDMA and can run it's ROMs, correct me if I'm wrong.
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And not necessarily, everything that works on the 3D doesn't always work on the V 4G... (see mainly, MMS/SMS and data)
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I would like to see the EVO V 4G get its own section as well. It's just a footnote in the EVO 3D forum right now and I'm having to do a lot of sifting to find stuff relevant to my device.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Bump.
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If not its own forum, at least give it a sub forum thingy. Like how there's a CDMA and a GSM forum.
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Datguy_n_Disguy said:
If not its own forum, at least give it a sub forum thingy. Like how there's a CDMA and a GSM forum.
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Me also; Ditto; Agree; +1
My Evo v 4G arrives today. The community is growing. It may be time for a sub-forum, specific to our device, which clearly has some ownership and interest behind it
a sub-forum ~
Please a sub-forum. Evo V is a strong device and will definitely stick around for a while. It deserves a sub-forum on XDA ~ slight changes between Evo V and Evo 3D make their roms not 100 percent compatible. a sub-forum will definitely increase clarity of information.
Anyone who hasn't already can check out the evo v forum at androidforums.com. Everything is geared towards the VM version.
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Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing or by unsubscribing and then resubscribing to this section.
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Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing from there.
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Very cool idea
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I haven't seen this before, but can understand why most would want this. Should make it much easier to find a specific thread. Especially for new comers. Very cool.
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I think this is neat, since I'm only really interested in the original development anyway, because that tends to be more fun.
Very nice. This will be extremely useful for devs.
edit: Hey Haus. Just an idea, but it would be nice to have a Recognized Dev forum with-in each device. One where we can collaborate and figure out mods together and have less chatter from non-devs. But a place where non-devs can still have access to links to mods and such. Just a thought.
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The way I see it is that it creates more place to navigate through to look for roms and other work. I personally do not see the real need for it especially since both sub forums would contain the same kind of information except that one would have original work and the other would not. This could have been done a different way without completely creating a new sub forum that would produce a similar result. For example, the OP post could explain that it's original work or the thread title for all original work would be identified with a prefix of ORG.
At any rate, it seems that others see it useful and probably very helpful for developers. I am not bothered by it! However, I would have preferred things to stay the way they were.
I'm just a little confused as to what defines original development versus non-original. Original meaning not ported from another device? As I browsed through the ROMs in each section I couldn't figure out what differentiated one from the other making it original.
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I'm just a little confused as to what defines original development versus non-original. Original meaning not ported from another device? As I browsed through the ROMs in each section I couldn't figure out what differentiated one from the other making it original.
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The announcement really details the difference.
For example, CM9 development is original because it's new and big and it's something that's being created.
ViperROM, for example, is not original because it is based on HTCs stock ROM.
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The announcement really details the difference.
For example, CM9 development is original because it's new and big and it's something that's being created.
ViperROM, for example, is not original because it is based on HTCs stock ROM.
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Well that is what I thought would be the factor at first. Except ViperROM and others based on stock are in the original section while other stock based ROMs are not.
Edit: I re-read the announcement and maybe the difference is more apparent to other devs and not so much to the layperson but still sounds kinda subjective. Doesn't make much difference to me, just curious.
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So....might be a n00b comment and I'm completely blind but I do not see the original development forum on the xda app.
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dsEVOlve said:
Well that is what I thought would be the factor at first. Except ViperROM and others based on stock are in the original section while other stock based ROMs are not.
Edit: I re-read the announcement and maybe the difference is more apparent to other devs and not so much to the layperson but still sounds kinda subjective. Doesn't make much difference to me, just curious.
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My apologies, when I checked the original section earlier it was nearly empty and only really had CM9. Looks like they moved a lot more over there.
Leoisright said:
Very nice. This will be extremely useful for devs.
edit: Hey Haus. Just an idea, but it would be nice to have a Recognized Dev forum with-in each device. One where we can collaborate and figure out mods together and have less chatter from non-devs. But a place where non-devs can still have access to links to mods and such. Just a thought.
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There are a lot of times where someone with a low post count is able to help out a lot so we don't want to limit it too much, but making it so only RDs (and maybe RCs/RTs) can create new threads there may be a good idea. Try running it by them in the RD area to see if it's possible.
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Well that is what I thought would be the factor at first. Except ViperROM and others based on stock are in the original section while other stock based ROMs are not.
Edit: I re-read the announcement and maybe the difference is more apparent to other devs and not so much to the layperson but still sounds kinda subjective. Doesn't make much difference to me, just curious.
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Unfortunately a lot of it is kind of subjective since it's a difficult thing to really define, but for the most part it depends on how significant the changes with the ROM are. It's very much a work in progress still so I apologize if things get bounced around some while it's all being sorted.
Hmm, I'm not sure I like this but it will prolly grow on me.
Issue I have now tho is not being able to see this forum in the xda app..someone else mentioned it as well.
Rippley05 said:
Hmm, I'm not sure I like this but it will prolly grow on me.
Issue I have now tho is not being able to see this forum in the xda app..someone else mentioned it as well.
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As has already been mentioned, all you have to do is un-favorite the forum and then go back through the list and favorite it again.
xHausx, I like your work and appreciate all the explanations you give but I gotta say.. this new section is retarded.
Maybe it was needed in the Samsung forums but we don't need it here. It's just going to confuse a ton of people.
I'm not a dev, so if they like the idea that's great. I just see it as a way for more silly arguments to start. I think that development is development the smallest of ideas is original. Seems like if you're in original then your work is somehow better. I guess we'll see how it works out.
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I think the most annoying part of this feature is having to look in two different places for the same thing and being unsure which forum your favorite rom(s) are located in. The more I use this (both on a desktop and on the phone), the more annoying it is. I don't think the average user care much whether the rom is original or not as long as it works well and do what it is supposed to do.
The idea behind adding this feature is great but its reality is not.
I was excited about the section but it all seems the same as before. Every mod, derivative rom, and other FAQs.
I think it probably would have best been split AOSP core and HTC core if you're going to split it at all, otherwise just leave it the way it was, as messy as it was.
Im not a fan of it either. I find it hard to differentiate between the two. I've read the announcement but I still find myself going into both looking for a specific thread. I think this will just confuse a lot of people but if the devs like it then ok...
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I'm a moderator, and I make roms and mods and themes, some of that is "original". I've written some tutorials for original things as well. Honestly I think this is silly. Maybe tag original dev threads or something like the "recognized" program. But differentiating dev threads seems like a lot more headache for devs and users alike. It's like making a new original themes section where the themer drew his images from scratch and wrote new xmls instead of modifying existing images and code. Who's idea was this? I fail to see it's benefit. If it is what it is then cool. But there's already RUU kitchen built roms in the "original" section, and though there may be "original" tweaks to said roms, I don't know that that makes them so. I'd love to have some transparent open discussion about this with users/devs/moderators alike. Thoughts? Counters? Etc?
what is the difference between "Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4 Android Development" and "Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4 Original Android Development"?
Android development is TW ROMs and original is AOSP ROMs
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Android development is TW ROMs and original is AOSP ROMs
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Im still lost......
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saul1991 said:
Im still lost......
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TW development is for modding your stock touch wiz ROM basically.
AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project and that sub is for things related to modding custom ROMs.
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Im still lost......
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TW = Touch Wiz. It's the skin that samsung puts on its phones. ROMs that are based off of it are in the "S 4 Android Development" forum
The AOSP ROMs are what google intended for its users to see. ROMs based off of it are in the "Original Development" forum.
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Android development is TW ROMs and original is AOSP ROMs
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ahh! got it. Thank you!
In other device sections the non original section is also used for ROMs that are kangs or tweaked versions of released original roms. Basically not just touchwiz
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Im still lost.haha. no but it was funny when people didnt get the diff!
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Original dev is for any software which incorporates significant original work. Non original dev is for software in which the author incorporates only minor changes.
I understand it but it drives me insane. hated the day they started that
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Android development is TW ROMs and original is AOSP ROMs
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NO!
The answer is in the stickies on top of both sections
Original means it was written by the developers and offers something unique.
Any AOSP clone or CM clone goes in regular development.
Only the original CM, AOSP, AOKP, PA, MIUI releases go in Original development
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NO!
The answer is in the stickies on top of both sections
Original means it was written by the developers and offers something unique.
Any AOSP clone or CM clone goes in regular development.
Only the original CM, AOSP, AOKP, PA, MIUI releases go in Original development
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Its still dumb. Its annoying enough trying to find a rom that works with the cryptic thread titles without having to look in two seperate forums IMO.
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Its still dumb. Its annoying enough trying to find a rom that works with the cryptic thread titles without having to look in two seperate forums IMO.
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Why it was done was to reward developers and teams who spent weeks writing 1000's of lines of code to build a unique ROM or bring one to that particular device. It separates those particular ROMs and should provide a higher end of user and more professional environment for the developers. This is XDA-DEVELOPERS.com so we pool the developers' needs and requests and do the best to provide the environment they are looking for. Many are under the false assumption this is a support site.
Thanks I sort of lf get it out now. One is just to modbthe touch wiz while the other one is for like aokp cm and other roms right?
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its not a support site, what kind of site is it? It has the makings of a support site, Downloads, FAQ, Q&A, Solutions to problems. Just a friendly inquiry.
Guys, it feels so good to be back to XDA. I was active here back in 2008 during Windows 6.5 days. I'm a little confused here so would like to know what actually is the difference between "AT&T HTC One Android Development" and AT&T HTC One Original Android Development" forum ?
thanks in advance
When I came back from a hiatus I was confused about this as well. From what I can tell Stock Roms and those based on Sense go in the standard development thread, Roms like CM and kernels go to Original thread.
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Deadstyle said:
When I came back from a hiatus I was confused about this as well. From what I can tell Stock Roms and those based on Sense go in the standard development thread, Roms like CM and kernels go to Original thread.
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Close, but not exactly. Literally, only "original" work goes in Original forum. This means no rebakes, repacks, slightly altered mods, conglomerate ROMs, etc. Only ROMs and kernels and mods that are truly unique personal original development work... meaning built from source, with your own unique source (linked to GitHub etc) included.
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Close, but not exactly. Literally, only "original" work goes in Original forum. This means no rebakes, repacks, slightly altered mods, conglomerate ROMs, etc. Only ROMs and kernels and mods that are truly unique personal original development work... meaning built from source, with your own unique source (linked to GitHub etc) included.
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Ooooooooh. Thanks for clearing that up for me too. I was thinking maybe it was the development section for threads pre/just after device launch or something.