Opinions on best rom

Opinions on best rom - HTC EVO 3D

I'm trying to get opinions on rooms in terms of battery life and performance for my evo 3d. I've been reading mostly about MeanROM, Venom, and of course cyanogenmod. The biggest problem that I have is that all of the reviews I've read are pre-ICS so I'm not one hundred prevent certain that the information I'm reading is up to date and I'm not misinformed or doing myself a disservice.
I do appreciate any help that people can provide and thank you in advance.
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I've found that using KingCobra3D-ICS 1.6 | 3.28.631.1 | 4.0.3 | SENSE 3.6/AOSP | AROMA has been the best.
I currently have it set to AOSP and even have Google Now and the JB Keyboard (including dictionary) installed on the device and I get about 10 hours out of 1 charge.

In my experience, battery life is more dependent on what apps you run and how you use the phone (Internet browsing, email sync, etc.) than the ROM itself. Turning GPS on/off can also affect battery life, and nothing draws power more than trying to get a radio connection with a weak or non-existent signal (as in basements of buildings). Being aware of what draws battery power and avoiding those apps, settings and situations will affect battery life more than the choice of which custom ROM you use.
If you really want to compare battery life between different ROM's, I would suggest flashing then as vanilla as possible and and install/use only the apps you really need to be functional such as phone dialer, text messaging, email and Internet, at least for a day or two.
Battery life isn't my number one priiority when choosing a ROM since I have an extended battery, but it's still a consideration.
ramjet73

ramjet73 said:
In my experience, battery life is more dependent on what apps you run and how you use the phone (Internet browsing, email sync, etc.) than the ROM itself. Turning GPS on/off can also affect battery life, and nothing draws power more than trying to get a radio connection with a weak or non-existent signal (as in basements of buildings). Being aware of what draws battery power and avoiding those apps, settings and situations will affect battery life more than the choice of which custom ROM you use.
If you really want to compare battery life between different ROM's, I would suggest flashing then as vanilla as possible and and install/use only the apps you really need to be functional such as phone dialer, text messaging, email and Internet, at least for a day or two.
Battery life isn't my number one priiority when choosing a ROM since I have an extended battery, but it's still a consideration.
ramjet73
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Ramjet, what is your priority when choosing a ROM? I mean I already do all of the recommended stuff for battery life, however I am constantly on my phone for either work or school now (returning for my masters). The biggest problem I have is that I can tell I'm going to have is that I will be pretty much active from 6am to about 10pm every day. During work hours it is difficult for me to be near a charger and during some of the classes charging my phone is not an option.
My biggest problem has been with ICS since the update. Due to the fact that my phone was encrypted, the ICS update from Sprint killed my 4g. At that point I kind of gave up with the basic build rom and figured I would try another ROM out there.

Captain_coco265 said:
I've found that using KingCobra3D-ICS 1.6 | 3.28.631.1 | 4.0.3 | SENSE 3.6/AOSP | AROMA has been the best.
I currently have it set to AOSP and even have Google Now and the JB Keyboard (including dictionary) installed on the device and I get about 10 hours out of 1 charge.
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Captain, thank you for your suggestion; I will read up on it later today/tonight to see if it is what I am looking for. One more question for you if you don't mind. How is the JB Keyboard? I have yet to play with it and am curious to how it works/feels. Is it as good or better than Swype? I'm a huge fan of that keyboard so if have compared both I would be interested in hearing your opinion.
Thank you again

I'd steer clear of any ROM claiming to enable the second core all the time. They talk about battery life when the screen is off, but when it's on it blows.
CM9 is pretty good, but for HTC Cool ICS probably runs things the best.

DarqAnshin said:
Ramjet, what is your priority when choosing a ROM? I mean I already do all of the recommended stuff for battery life, however I am constantly on my phone for either work or school now (returning for my masters). The biggest problem I have is that I can tell I'm going to have is that I will be pretty much active from 6am to about 10pm every day. During work hours it is difficult for me to be near a charger and during some of the classes charging my phone is not an option.
My biggest problem has been with ICS since the update. Due to the fact that my phone was encrypted, the ICS update from Sprint killed my 4g. At that point I kind of gave up with the basic build rom and figured I would try another ROM out there.
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My priorities are:
1. Things that I need work and work correctly (camera, 4G, texting, email, browser)
2. Stabilty (no crashes when I am using the phone)
3. Performance (I like a responsive phone)
4. Battery life (not a big one for me with an extended battery)
5. Features not included in stock ROM
6. Customization options (themes, icon packs, etc.)
I've had pretty good luck with MeanROM GB and MeanROM ICS, but still need to be careful about what apps and mods get added. If the built-in battery stats don't give you enough information, you can get BetterBatteryStats for free here on XDA, and the paid version of SystemPanel keeps pretty good history about battery usage by app. You might also want to consider an extended or spare battery.
ramjet73

ramjet73 said:
My priorities are:
1. Things that I need work and work correctly (camera, 4G, texting, email, browser)
2. Stabilty (no crashes when I am using the phone)
3. Performance (I like a responsive phone)
4. Battery life (not a big one for me with an extended battery)
5. Features not included in stock ROM
6. Customization options (themes, icon packs, etc.)
I've had pretty good luck with MeanROM GB and MeanROM ICS, but still need to be careful about what apps and mods get added. If the built-in battery stats don't give you enough information, you can get BetterBatteryStats for free here on XDA, and the paid version of SystemPanel keeps pretty good history about battery usage by app. You might also want to consider an extended or spare battery.
ramjet73
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Good points, I actually think that you pretty much laid out what my priorities are that I am looking for. I ordered an extended battery the other day, but I honestly use my phone from everything from an extended USB to GPS to calculator to everything else. I think the only thing I don't try to do is start fires and cook dinner with it. I've written down your suggestions and will look at it when I get home later.
Thank you again for taking time out the help me with this.

For my two cents I would suggest common butter its ics no issues really stable and a very laid back community. Also the dev is only 15 but his work is really good and stable I've had no issues so far really good battery life I also use my phone for everything. Plus the mods u want to add are pre included
commonsense butter hboot1.58 soff

My favorite Sense roms have been Viper Rom IC3D (The OC Daemon is pretty sweet) and Common Sense. If you want an AOSP build, I'd suggest Unicorn Porn AOKP. I've ran that rom for several months and had no issues with it.
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Let me throw in a couple more from Team Imagika: Homebrew & Zr3dxl.
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I've been quite happy with d3rp for some time now. But, I'm starting to branch out and try new things... we'll see how that works!

I thank you all for your suggestions. It looks like I will be doing a ton of reading this labor day weekend.

i think evoler is the best, i m glad !

I have best expirience with Cool ics v12. Tried almost all gsm roms for my evo 3d, and for now, only cool ics worked flawlessly.

For me MIUI 2.8.31 is best rom now

i used cool ics it's really good but i wanna give mwakious a try:highfive:

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New user - surprised at poor battery life - help?

I'm a new Galaxy S II (and new Android) user, and am a bit disappointed in the battery life of my new phone. It was running down extremely quickly yesterday, only lasting about 12 hours with relatively normal use (sending half a dozen texts, downloading 2 apps, checking Facebook and Twitter once an hour or so for a couple of minutes throughout the day). I allowed the phone to discharge completely and charged it fully last night, but this morning nothing seems to have improved. I burned up 10% of the battery in half an hour sending 2 texts, checking my emails, Facebook and Twitter and downloading and trying out a couple of apps.
I'm anxious to know if there's a bit of a burn-in time with the battery on this thing - does it get better after a few charges? I see a lot of people saying they can have the phone on for a few days in some cases, but that's definitely not my experience thus far.
I've installed JuiceDefender (balanced profile), AutoKiller Memory and Advanced Task Killer to try to sort things out but none of them seem to having too much effect and to be quite honest I'd rather not have to compromise my experience by running a number of apps like this to try to extend my battery life at all (nor do I want to have to turn the brightness right down to an unusable level, or set black wallpapers for example).
Does anyone have any real advice on this? I'm starting to think that switching ROMs might be worthwhile? I see that the leaked 2.3.4 ROM seems to have better battery life - is this correct? I'm a bit reluctant to switch to any other unofficial ROMs as there are so many I wouldn't know where to start. It seems they all make a lot of changes but I'd want to keep as close to the stock feel as possible, just with better battery life.

no one uses stock roms/kernels nowadays. u should flash a custom rom or kernel since they provided optimizations to batt life.

StevenBX said:
I'm a new Galaxy S II (and new Android) user, and am a bit disappointed in the battery life of my new phone. It was running down extremely quickly yesterday, only lasting about 12 hours with relatively normal use (sending half a dozen texts, downloading 2 apps, checking Facebook and Twitter once an hour or so for a couple of minutes throughout the day). I allowed the phone to discharge completely and charged it fully last night, but this morning nothing seems to have improved. I burned up 10% of the battery in half an hour sending 2 texts, checking my emails, Facebook and Twitter and downloading and trying out a couple of apps.
I'm anxious to know if there's a bit of a burn-in time with the battery on this thing - does it get better after a few charges? I see a lot of people saying they can have the phone on for a few days in some cases, but that's definitely not my experience thus far.
I've installed JuiceDefender (balanced profile), AutoKiller Memory and Advanced Task Killer to try to sort things out but none of them seem to having too much effect and to be quite honest I'd rather not have to compromise my experience by running a number of apps like this to try to extend my battery life at all (nor do I want to have to turn the brightness right down to an unusable level, or set black wallpapers for example).
Does anyone have any real advice on this? I'm starting to think that switching ROMs might be worthwhile? I see that the leaked 2.3.4 ROM seems to have better battery life - is this correct? I'm a bit reluctant to switch to any other unofficial ROMs as there are so many I wouldn't know where to start. It seems they all make a lot of changes but I'd want to keep as close to the stock feel as possible, just with better battery life.
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It is argued that task killers and memory killers will only make the problem worse. Juice Defender might be useful if you are using it for scheduling sync and turning WI-FI off when the screen is off, but this feature is only present in the Ultimate edition and you can turn off sync and WI-FI manually if you want. Also beware of rogue apps which are syncing all the time. It is normally the main reason of poor battery life.
Other reason, is that whereas powerful tech specs for phones were rapidly developed, battery technology didn't followed the pace. Our simply batteries cannot cope with our beasts.
Also, there is a thing that it's called "new phone battery blues" which is described as poor battery life due to excessive use of a new powerful toy. After you use your phone normally, for the purposes that normally people use a phone, your battery life will became better.
That said, personally I have a spare battery and a spare charger, and when the battery being used is low, I replace it with the charged one. Sometimes it is necessary, sometimes not.

poch_1421 said:
no one uses stock roms/kernels nowadays. u should flash a custom rom or kernel since they provided optimizations to batt life.
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They also have a tendency to look very tacky I think though. I think Samsung's skin and widgets are pretty nice and don't care too much for the mods I see in the screens of most ROMs. I'm really looking for something very similar to stock, except with better battery life if there are any suggestions? That's why I was thinking of just jumping to the leaked 2.3.4 if it had any noticeable impact on battery life...

Try using better battery stats, link in my sig, to see if you have any wakelocks, the thread has a good howto on using it.
The biggest thing that uses the battery on this phone is the screen, you will get between 4 and 6 hours of screen on time depending on usage and screen brightness.
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Get the original samsung 2000mah extended battery kit.

ahh the battery life talk again
brings back memories of the first days of the SGS2
never thought of reading one again
update to the newest ROM
and read the 1000+ threads about this topic
good day sir

StevenBX said:
They also have a tendency to look very tacky I think though. I think Samsung's skin and widgets are pretty nice and don't care too much for the mods I see in the screens of most ROMs. I'm really looking for something very similar to stock, except with better battery life if there are any suggestions? That's why I was thinking of just jumping to the leaked 2.3.4 if it had any noticeable impact on battery life...
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Fair point - not all of the roms are everyone's cup of tea. My advice, as a starting point is to flash the stock XXKH3 variant for your area, and then flash a custom kernel, such as Ninphetamine's or Hardcore's Speedmod. This will greatly help with battery life, and also give you the ability (via root access) to use Titanium Backup to freeze apps and services you're not using, which is often the major cause of battery drain through 'wakelocks'; apps that prevent your phone from entering Deep Sleep, or continuously wake it up.

Update to the latest version in your area, uninstall those task killers and whatnot or do a factory reset, install the apps that you are going to use normally like facebook twitter and install better battery stats, decrease brightness to your most tolerable level.
use the phone normally and when the battery is low, use the tool provided in android to check if your phone is sleeping when the screen is OFF, if you are having wakelocks, then use better battery stats to find which apps are causing the wake locks.
No need to install battery management apps, or task killers or memory optimization apps (or as custom rom as yet), that would only compound you problem which may be a very small one to begin with

Thanks for the help so far guys. I've installed XXKH3 and flashed hardcore's Speedmod kernel, and am just getting things set back up the way I like them again. I'm going to uninstall the battery saving apps for now and see how the battery lasts the next couple days.
I'll install Better Battery Stats and keep an eye on any wakelocks too.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction - it was all very simple and quick to get set up; the sheer number of kernels, ROMs, etc. is all a little overwhelming to me right now, being new to Android!

poch_1421 said:
no one uses stock roms/kernels nowadays. u should flash a custom rom or kernel since they provided optimizations to batt life.
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I'm using stock KH3 with a stock kernel and am perfectly happy with the battery life ...

Im also a noob just got phone. Coming from evo, how do I root,
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StevenBX said:
They also have a tendency to look very tacky I think though. I think Samsung's skin and widgets are pretty nice and don't care too much for the mods I see in the screens of most ROMs. I'm really looking for something very similar to stock, except with better battery life if there are any suggestions? That's why I was thinking of just jumping to the leaked 2.3.4 if it had any noticeable impact on battery life...
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there are other tweaks with custom roms that aren't found in the stock rom (which provides better functionality).
btw, i also suggest u use setcpu to underclock your device to save more batt.
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chalid said:
I'm using stock KH3 with a stock kernel and am perfectly happy with the battery life ...
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wow, good for you

I used HTC Desire before this device, and the roms on there actually hindered battery life, even with all the fancy underclocking, so I am betting, without even attempting to brick my phone, that they are just as overhyped on this phone too.
I get two to three days out of my phone, using it as a PHONE. I can send and receive emails and texts all day, along with phone calls and the occasional browsing and still get at least two days before it dies. I turn off data when I dont want it and stick it in 2G mode and it dares me to kill the battery.
Just let usage settle down and it's fine

Uamore6 said:
Im also a noob just got phone. Coming from evo, how do I root,
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I used this guide to install the latest firmware, and this guide to root it when I was done.
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poch_1421 said:
there are other tweaks with custom roms that aren't found in the stock rom (which provides better functionality).
btw, i also suggest u use setcpu to underclock your device to save more batt.
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I've now installed SetCPU too, set to OnDemand. Thanks for the suggestion!

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I used this guide to install the latest firmware, and this guide to root it when I was done.
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I've now installed SetCPU too, set to OnDemand. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Beware using anything that isnt ondemand on samsung phones, can cause stuttering, that's what I found anyway.
As far as undervolting -25 to -50mv is a safe first bet.
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poch_1421 said:
no one uses stock roms/kernels nowadays. u should flash a custom rom or kernel since they provided optimizations to batt life.
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Which ones provide the best battery life?
It's not very helpful if you don't direct this poor guy in any direction.
Cheers!

vlad88667 said:
Which ones provide the best battery life?
It's not very helpful if you don't direct this poor guy in any direction.
Cheers!
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Use touch x-power 1.0
It is optimized for battery life
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stop the madness.... just disable Gtalk autologin and you'll have x3 batt life....
i'm still on KG2 and see no need to update, as i easily get 2d+ battery life now...
EDIT: oh, and custom roms is for nerds. that's it. stock only.

poch_1421 said:
no one uses stock roms/kernels nowadays. u should flash a custom rom or kernel since they provided optimizations to batt life.
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That is wrong. I used to have a UGKG2 ROM and since I upgraded to XXKH3, the battery is MUCH better while the GPS pinpoints in less than 3 seconds with a 5meters accuracy.

Which ROM are you currently running? Which have you tried?

Just a thread to see what the majority of people are choosing to run right now and which you have tested as well. This is NOT intended to be any type of a bashing thread, just please stick to what you've tested and what you've chosen to currently use.
As for myself, I'm running UnNamed from gtg and have been for a bit now. I've removed a few additional pieces of software that I didn't want and modified the battery icon but other than that, it's pretty much as is.
I've tested and have a backup of CM 7 and I'm planning to test Cognition next...

I am running UnNamed, I had a circle battery mod, but flashed the full update and have stuck with it as-is. I ran Cognition with no issues or complaints, but wanted the extended power menu.
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I'm running Cognition as of yesterday. For a few days before that I was running a stock + root ROM.
I must say, my battery lasts sooooooo much longer since installing Cognition compared to Stock. I just now hit 90% and it's been off the charger (getting regular use: some idle, some web browsing, some pp installs) for about 6 hours now.
I love it.

Kadin said:
Just a thread to see what the majority of people are choosing to run right now and which you have tested as well. This is NOT intended to be any type of a bashing thread, just please stick to what you've tested and what you've chosen to currently use.
As for myself, I'm running UnNamed from gtg and have been for a bit now. I've removed a few additional pieces of software that I didn't want and modified the battery icon but other than that, it's pretty much as is.
I've tested and have a backup of CM 7 and I'm planning to test Cognition next...
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I'm on Cognition and haven't tried others, yet. It works and as ROMs have appeared, I've pulled what I wanted from them. I get great battery life (3 hours of display time, but lately it's been increasing - yesterday I got 4 and today I'm on pace for over 5 hours of display ). I'm really interested in CM7. I hadn't tried it yet because I'm not convinced that it's bug free (which is important for me). What did you think of it?

I'm getting such poor battery life still, even after rooting and removing data hogs (AP Mobile, etc.), running BBS and CPUSpy to monitor, and turning off unnecessary sync. I'm thinking about moving to Cognition, but I kinda like Touchwiz's interface and the safety of running stock.

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I'm on Cognition and haven't tried others, yet. It works and as ROMs have appeared, I've pulled what I wanted from them. I get great battery life (3 hours of display time, but lately it's been increasing - yesterday I got 4 and today I'm on pace for over 5 hours of display ). I'm really interested in CM7. I hadn't tried it yet because I'm not convinced that it's bug free (which is important for me). What did you think of it?
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I liked CM7. I probably didn't give it enough time to make an accurate assessment of it as I liked the idea of trying UnNamed simply because I like the stock build as it is... minus the garbage bloatware and wanted the extended power menu. I'd highly recommend giving CM7 a shot though. I simply get each rom running and then do a full nandroid backup in case I want to go back in the future - barring any major improvements of course in which case I'll start out fresh.
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I'm getting such poor battery life still, even after rooting and removing data hogs (AP Mobile, etc.), running BBS and CPUSpy to monitor, and turning off unnecessary sync. I'm thinking about moving to Cognition, but I kinda like Touchwiz's interface and the safety of running stock.
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I have to say that I was never much of a believer in Juice Defender but between running that program and doing a battery calibration with the app, BatteryCalibration, my battery life has increased quite a bit. I've still got Gmail auto syncing but I have turned off 'Back up my data' in Privacy and keep GPS off until I need it. Everything else is running as is. Oh and no Facebook or Words with Friends. I login to Facebook via Dolphin HD when I have to check it on the go.

Running UnNamed 1.0.3 and really like it. Clean, snappy and excellent battery life (yes, better than stock rom).

verncat05 said:
Running UnNamed 1.0.3 and really like it. Clean, snappy and excellent battery life (yes, better than stock rom).
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+1 for UnNamed.... love that rom!

Ive been on cog beta 4 for a while and it is perfect. Picked up DD exp kernal a few days ago and its still perfect. Perfect combo i guess. Battery life is amazing. After 15 hour days i am always getting 4 hours of screen on time along with playing music thoughout the day and few calls and messages data and sync always on.
I have yet to have any problems and gonna make this my offical "go back to, stable rom" when others start to drive me nuts. I would like to just stay on this rom and call it good cause its perfect but that never happens.
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UnNamed 1.0.3 for the past two days. Had no issues and I like the added features. This is the only custom ROM I tried so far.

roadrash7 said:
Ive been on cog beta 4 for a while and it is perfect. Picked up DD exp kernal a few days ago and its still perfect. Perfect combo i guess. Battery life is amazing. After 15 hour days i am always getting 4 hours of screen on time along with playing music thoughout the day and few calls and messages data and sync always on.
I have yet to have any problems and gonna make this my offical "go back to, stable rom" when others start to drive me nuts. I would like to just stay on this rom and call it good cause its perfect but that never happens.
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Wow.... That sounds impressive. I may need to give that rom a whir then.

[Q] I just got my amaze and I'm trying to find some workarounds/tweaks..

So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums

seansk said:
Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
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Sigh. I did read the posts that were just stickied, and I am not new to android at all.. but I know one of the dangers to being a new name to a new part of the forum is to have people assume you're ignorant or don't know how to search. I unlocked and flashed a new rom within 30 minutes of getting home with my phone, so trust me, I'm not ignorant.
That said-- I know all the answers to battery saving that aren't phone specific. If I am looking for anything, it would be what is specific to the amaze that causes the drain. If it is the 3g/4g then I may be able to use something like juice defender to offset that. I have every extra feature off on my phone, have all the wakelock issues solved, and that makes me think that the drain is radio/signal based.
Also, what I have observed is that people who use multiple batteries(on multiple types of phones) say they get 8-12 hours per battery- and with a correctly calibrated battery they may get 14 or more.. rather than just throw extra batteries at the problem(and have worse life for each battery), I'm trying to think of a way to get the most out of each. If I was going to go camping for a weekend(or just not be able to charge), it would be nice to get it done with just one or two spares.
As far as asking about SENSE- I'm new to htc. I don't know what part of the rom IS sense, but it sounds like you know even less than I do. If the only real difference is no bloat roms, no sense widgets, no stock launcher, cool.. if it means that some of the extras in the settings I haven't seen on non-htc phones aren't there.. that would be good to know.
I appreciate when people respond who actually have an answer, but I don't appreciate when someone doesn't have an answer(or maybe you don't understand the questions) and wants to talk down to someone for asking.. I'll just assume you are used to talking to noobs who may frustrate you.

Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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1. Sense:
Just a user interface customed by HTC. It features are: Peoples widget (a contact widget with more features), Friend Stream widget (updating your social network contacts' status - like Pure Messenger) Weather with HTC's signature animations - you can use Beautiful Widget to replaced this) Flip Clock (Again, HTC signature and popular - beautiful widget and some other apps copied this from Sense due to its popularity). Anyway, one can always find an alternative widget to replaces every single Sense's widgets if he/she chose to do so.
I myself dont like many part of Sense (contact and dial app included) yet still using QuikSense and now BulletProof because I like the Beat Audio hack and the Sense lock screen.
I used ADW launcher and frozen most of Sense related apps (same thing as un-installing them) yet the power saver option still available to me, so, basically I am running a Sense Rom without Sense (in a way) and if you are planning to use a Senseless rom and can not find the power saving option that you like, you can always install Sense base rom with alternate 3rd party apps as I do to avoid the annoying of staring at something you don't like .
2. Screen bleed:
I forgot I have that problem - it really doesn't bother me that much though - so no command from me on this matter
3. Battery status:
My battery status/reading from Battery Widget and Current widget seems to gave me wrong reading and I guess it's due to the act of using two different batteries so I tended to agreed with you on this matter. Your idea seem like a good idea and it maybe helpful (Battery Widget Pro also giving user the option to do something similar too - differrent batteries).
As we all already known, battery hog came from (1) Rogue apps (2) User setting/syncing) (3) Signal/radio scanning and (4) Displaying and my own experiment showed me that if I happened to be in a weak 4G signal coverage areas then my battery will drained fast. We can tracked down rogue app and setting a correct syncing to save battery but we can not avoid using the display so the last option (to me) to save battery is turn-on wi-fi or switching to a 2/3G if you are in a weak 4G signal area
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seansk said:
Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
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I am highly suggesting you to change your language and/or the way you wrote/communicates with other.
On the internet and in any forum, writing in capital means you are yelling at peoples and that considering rude.
Writing a guide and had it stickied by a moderator doesn't automatically give you the right to yell at peoples when they asked for helps and/or discussing/opening topics.
Didn't Binary told you to change your languages/caps. in your writing BEFORE he approved and stickied your post?

Well comare the sgs ii and the amaze, the sgs ii has much better battery life because TW isnt as bulky and doesnt use as much RAM as Sense. i prefer Sense because it looks so much better, more UI friendly, etc. and more. With a stock ROM it would be much better on battery. I say this from experiance, ive owned HTC phoens since the G1 and there is a difference in batterylife and speed. if you notice the sgs ii is much faster as well when benchmarking and has the same internals (CPU/RAM/GPU). If you want a good looking interface with good HTC integrated apps then keep sense, if you need battery life then id get a senseless ROM because you are using less RAM and resources, etc = better battery life.
Personally i love Sense and i prefer it even if it makes battery life worse.

antiquezip said:
1. Sense:
Just a user interface customed by HTC. It features are: Peoples widget (a contact widget with more features), Friend Stream widget (updating your social network contacts' status - like Pure Messenger) Weather with HTC's signature animations - you can use Beautiful Widget to replaced this) Flip Clock (Again, HTC signature and popular - beautiful widget and some other apps copied this from Sense due to its popularity). Anyway, one can always find an alternative widget to replaces every single Sense's widgets if he/she chose to do so.
I myself dont like many part of Sense (contact and dial app included) yet still using QuikSense and now BulletProof because I like the Beat Audio hack and the Sense lock screen.
I used ADW launcher and frozen most of Sense related apps (same thing as un-installing them) yet the power saver option still available to me, so, basically I am running a Sense Rom without Sense (in a way) and if you are planning to use a Senseless rom and can not find the power saving option that you like, you can always install Sense base rom with alternate 3rd party apps as I do to avoid the annoying of staring at something you don't like .
2. Screen bleed:
I forgot I have that problem - it really doesn't bother me that much though - so no command from me on this matter
3. Battery status:
My battery status/reading from Battery Widget and Current widget seems to gave me wrong reading and I guess it's due to the act of using two different batteries so I tended to agreed with you on this matter. Your idea seem like a good idea and it maybe helpful (Battery Widget Pro also giving user the option to do something similar too - differrent batteries).
As we all already known, battery hog came from (1) Rogue apps (2) User setting/syncing) (3) Signal/radio scanning and (4) Displaying and my own experiment showed me that if I happened to be in a weak 4G signal coverage areas then my battery will drained fast. We can tracked down rogue app and setting a correct syncing to save battery but we can not avoid using the display so the last option (to me) to save battery is turn-on wi-fi or switching to a 2/3G if you are in a weak 4G signal area
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Thanks for the feedback, I've owned beautiful widgets for a while now, so I was using those with golauncher ex and am pretty happy. If those are the main things that are sense, I can live without
Louder ringing in pocket, some of the low power functions and a few other things seemed pretty cool, so I was just trying to figure out if those would be lost on the senseless roms.. and I also don't like the stock dialer and contacts.
I'm gonna have to check out battery widget pro, what I was suggesting was an app idea, if someone else has already done it.. well definitely good to know.
The screenbleed isn't a big deal to me, I was using screen filter by last night.. but I also have no desire to have the softkeys backlit, I'm pretty sure I'll remember which is which
stratax said:
Well comare the sgs ii and the amaze, the sgs ii has much better battery life because TW isnt as bulky and doesnt use as much RAM as Sense. i prefer Sense because it looks so much better, more UI friendly, etc. and more. With a stock ROM it would be much better on battery. I say this from experiance, ive owned HTC phoens since the G1 and there is a difference in batterylife and speed. if you notice the sgs ii is much faster as well when benchmarking and has the same internals (CPU/RAM/GPU). If you want a good looking interface with good HTC integrated apps then keep sense, if you need battery life then id get a senseless ROM because you are using less RAM and resources, etc = better battery life.
Personally i love Sense and i prefer it even if it makes battery life worse.
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I've been running bulletproof for the last 2 days, I've never had a htc before, so figured I would try out sense first. Probably going to try senseless tomorrow. Sucks you have to wait a few days eh stratax? When are you getting yours in?

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Silentbtdeadly said:
I've been running bulletproof for the last 2 days, I've never had a htc before, so figured I would try out sense first. Probably going to try senseless tomorrow. Sucks you have to wait a few days eh stratax? When are you getting yours in?
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I cant stand stock for some reason, i just get bored and i hate having to use 3rd party apps. its nice to have the HTC integrated ones, since they work great. Yeah it does suck, but i am happy to be getting the Amaze

Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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I apologize for comming off angry. Something pissed me off today and got 3 hours of sleep.
Honestly I havn't flashed all the roms. Here's how could explain this to you better. AOSP is the pure google version of android...usually google flaship phones have these such as the nexus one, the nexus S series, and galaxy nexus. I believe the G2X also has a pure google version of android.
Each company such as samsung or HTC customizes these roms to their liking and puts it on their phone...sometimes they add features, widegers, eye candy, extra settings. HTC calls their User interface (UI) that they use Sense, samsung calls theirs touchwiz and so on.
Senseless rom takes some parts of sense out of sense and leaves some parts in I believe, this is what I remember from reading that thread. In the thread it usually tells you the major things that have been taken out, and things that have been put in
for you screen bleed solution the only way I have seen is to turn down or off the button lights using "screen filter" from the market.
4G is one of the biggest drains on the newer phones. I have juice defender Ultimate but stopped using it. under normal stock settings in juice defender when you turn off the screen it turns off both wifi and wireless data...so you could only basically get phone calls, sms, and mms. Things such as Gmail push, facebook updates, google voice updates etc will not be allowed while phone is off...is why I stopped using it. You could change settings to turn data on during screen off or, turn wifi on, etc. but that would defeat the purpose of the program, turning off wifi and data network is the biggest things that let juice defender save battery.
Biggest drains again are, 4g data, wifi, and screen. You can tweak these under the wireless and network settings.
Technically you could remove the contact and dialer app, titanium backup will let you do this. But I warn you against doing this I believe since parts of it are integrated into the rom. freezing apps is a much better idea. You could download dialers from the market currently I use excontacts with ICS them on it. You could other dialers. But I believe that actual contact editing and contacts cannot be completely removed from sense, you would have to flash a different rom to get the AOSP dialer and contacts, or other ones.
My understanding of lithium ion batteries is that they have NO Memory unlike older batteries, It is pointless to charge the battery for 12 hours the first time...there is no trickle charge on lithium ions. In my own honest opinion/experience battery statistics make no difference in battery life, but others can correct me if I am wrong, this is where people say calibration makes a difference, I really don't know. It's also very hard to do a controlled test of a battery, since phone uses different things at different times, network connections, wifi. all that stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
P.S. updating to the newest update from HTC on my phone solved my overheat and battery issues.
P.S.S switching to other launchers will take away you ability to use sense widgets and customizations, since they are part of the sense launcher.

seansk said:
I apologize for comming off angry. Something pissed me off today and got 3 hours of sleep.
Honestly I havn't flashed all the roms. Here's how could explain this to you better. AOSP is the pure google version of android...usually google flaship phones have these such as the nexus one, the nexus S series, and galaxy nexus. I believe the G2X also has a pure google version of android.
Each company such as samsung or HTC customizes these roms to their liking and puts it on their phone...sometimes they add features, widegers, eye candy, extra settings. HTC calls their User interface (UI) that they use Sense, samsung calls theirs touchwiz and so on.
Senseless rom takes some parts of sense out of sense and leaves some parts in I believe, this is what I remember from reading that thread. In the thread it usually tells you the major things that have been taken out, and things that have been put in
for you screen bleed solution the only way I have seen is to turn down or off the button lights using "screen filter" from the market.
4G is one of the biggest drains on the newer phones. I have juice defender Ultimate but stopped using it. under normal stock settings in juice defender when you turn off the screen it turns off both wifi and wireless data...so you could only basically get phone calls, sms, and mms. Things such as Gmail push, facebook updates, google voice updates etc will not be allowed while phone is off...is why I stopped using it. You could change settings to turn data on during screen off or, turn wifi on, etc. but that would defeat the purpose of the program, turning off wifi and data network is the biggest things that let juice defender save battery.
Biggest drains again are, 4g data, wifi, and screen. You can tweak these under the wireless and network settings.
Technically you could remove the contact and dialer app, titanium backup will let you do this. But I warn you against doing this I believe since parts of it are integrated into the rom. freezing apps is a much better idea. You could download dialers from the market currently I use excontacts with ICS them on it. You could other dialers. But I believe that actual contact editing and contacts cannot be completely removed from sense, you would have to flash a different rom to get the AOSP dialer and contacts, or other ones.
My understanding of lithium ion batteries is that they have NO Memory unlike older batteries, It is pointless to charge the battery for 12 hours the first time...there is no trickle charge on lithium ions. In my own honest opinion/experience battery statistics make no difference in battery life, but others can correct me if I am wrong, this is where people say calibration makes a difference, I really don't know. It's also very hard to do a controlled test of a battery, since phone uses different things at different times, network connections, wifi. all that stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
P.S. updating to the newest update from HTC on my phone solved my overheat and battery issues.
P.S.S switching to other launchers will take away you ability to use sense widgets and customizations, since they are part of the sense launcher.
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I figured you may be having a bad day, we are all entitled to that. I'm sick, long day in classes(college), and sick and tired of being sick and tired..
I know a little more than I feel like your reply is aiming for, sense goes all the way to how you copy and paste.. So I was asking more about what is considered "senseless".
And random fact about android and the batterystats file.. The battery is stand alone, but the os decides what to report as the current charge and when to stop charging based on that file. I can upload a file as an example if needed. To the best of my understanding, using. Different batteries changes the file that tells the os when to stop charging, and what percentage to report at what maH. As you continue to use different batteries that file becomes less accurate and will stop charging sooner, and will drop faster as it is confused at what maH to report what %. If you ever see it change by more than 1% at a time, your battery stats file is inaccurate.
But that is just my understanding. I've researched it as much as I can, but.. It isn't an easy thing to get a definitive answer about.
Here is a battery history file, can't remember what makes it, but it is very much like what the battery stats file refers to. If you open that battery stats file in a text editor, you will see it refers to many things.. and if you delete that file you will see big changes in how your battery works.. That is the simplest proof that is matters
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Have you read my thread it is called
FAQ for the HTC Amaze 4G. Read Frequently Asked Questions before you post a question!

hasoon2000 said:
Have you read my thread it is called
FAQ for the HTC Amaze 4G. Read Frequently Asked Questions before you post a question!
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Lol, yes, I read your post.. feel free to throw some of the answers you would give me into it, but trust me.. it leaves more questions I imagine would be asked frequently. I am asking for something more detailed than "how do I get better battery life"..

Silentbtdeadly said:
Lol, yes, I read your post.. feel free to throw some of the answers you would give me into it, but trust me.. it leaves more questions I imagine would be asked frequently. I am asking for something more detailed than "how do I get better battery life"..
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you know I think It's the fact that a few of us like hasson, binary xboarder, just get the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. We just get in the mode of linking to those stickies. It can get tiresome, I don't know how binary does it. I've only been doing it for about a week now, It gets frustrating at times, we don't mean to lash out, but many people, i'm not saying you, but many others just come in without looking at anything and just ask a question, same questions over and over, they're just too lazy to look around or want a quick fix. or they pm us I need to root my phone can you help me!! It is infuriating when you spend time making pages to help and get those PM's.

seansk said:
you know I think It's the fact that a few of us like hasson, binary xboarder, just get the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. We just get in the mode of linking to those stickies. It can get tiresome, I don't know how binary does it. I've only been doing it for about a week now, It gets frustrating at times, we don't mean to lash out, but many people, i'm not saying you, but many others just come in without looking at anything and just ask a question, same questions over and over, they're just too lazy to look around or want a quick fix. or they pm us I need to root my phone can you help me!! It is infuriating when you spend time making pages to help and get those PM's.
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we? us? who PMs you lol?

Felinos11 said:
we? us? who PMs you lol?
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I pitched in to help since binary was getting overwhelmed with PM's so I posted in his how to root thread that people can contact me if they have problems. I'm just trying to help get the community a little bigger, I practice dentistry part time dentist, no full time for me cause economy is bad and oversaturated with them, and chronic medical illness
I don't claim to know not nearly as close to binary, xboarder and some others...but atleast I can help some of the noobs. I love and have always loved technology

seansk said:
I pitched in to help since binary was getting overwhelmed with PM's so I posted in his how to root thread that people can contact me if they have problems. I'm just trying to help get the community a little bigger, I practice dentistry part time dentist, no full time for me cause economy is bad and oversaturated with them, and chronic medical illness
I don't claim to know not nearly as close to binary, xboarder and some others...but atleast I can help some of the noobs. I love and have always loved technology
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lol cool I was just wondering if there was some other dev page for the amaze and I didn't know cuz as far as ive noticed here there is only a xboarder and a binary keeping the dev stuff alive

Best ROM for battery?

New to the galaxy note, any suggestions for roms with good battery life?

blackstar☆ and pawdan for me opinion you try for 2 or 3 day and see who like you
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda premium

I've tried every rom available here ...for the I717 ..
And "For Me"..
The best battery life comes from the following builds ..
Saurom ..GB 2.3.6 .....and ..
Flappjaxxx UCLF6 ICS Build #5.
But please remember, that I prefer zeam launcher, and use only a handful of apps and never Widgets.
You simply have to try the builds for yourself, and determine the best balance between performance and features.
But more importantly, the 717 runs best without overclock..IMHO ...and basically using a stock kernel.
Optimization of the build for the device is very important in maintaining a smooth and functional file structure....
That being said, I stick with slightly modified stock builds for the note, and I always disable the stock Touchwiz launcher, as I can confirm it's a battery hog.
But invariably, I feel that Samsung did an excellent job when optimizing GB, while ICS is larger and not as refined...and JB official will correct the ICS bugs.
We can only hope that Samsung releases the JB we see on the note 2....as it truly is an exceptional build.
Good luck in your flashing and optimization of the builds you choose ...g

BlackStar X did the trick for me. I also turned sync off and manually sync my email account. Turning data off also helps otherwise when screen is off battery keeps draining.

I'm also looking for a battery saving ROM. This is insane. Data is rarely on and it's almost always on WiFi. I'm a average to low user. Don't play any games, make a handful of calls a day, text more often. Screen is on for maybe a few minutes at a time.
Currently on Blackstar XI DXLJ2 and it's absolutely horrible. Gonna try Blackstar X and see if it's any better.

quickbird144 said:
I'm also looking for a battery saving ROM. This is insane. Data is rarely on and it's almost always on WiFi. I'm a average to low user. Don't play any games, make a handful of calls a day, text more often. Screen is on for maybe a few minutes at a time.
Currently on Blackstar XI DXLJ2 and it's absolutely horrible. Gonna try Blackstar X and see if it's any better.
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Watch yourself. I don't do horrible. Lmao. Seriously.
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bigfau said:
Watch yourself. I don't do horrible. Lmao. Seriously.
ThE UnknowN
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Didn't mean it like that! Lol. The ROM itself was amazing, but the battery life was the complete opposite. Again, ROM was GREAT!

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Didn't mean it like that! Lol. The ROM itself was amazing, but the battery life was the complete opposite. Again, ROM was GREAT!
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The battery life is no different than any other DXLJ2 rom.
ThE UnknowN

All roms are exactly the same on battery life... That is until you've tested it on your device.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using Tapatalk 2

Its how you use you phone and what you use on your phone that determines the battery life. From a development standpoint, there are minor changes that we can implement to improve battery duration. The difference will be negligible. You might notice an in increase in your battery, but again it won't be much.
ThE UnknowN

Yeah, differences aren't too large. For example, your screen on time will always be in the 4 hour range if you have a medium-ish brightness.
With that said, sometimes a ROM can have a bug and your standby time suffers. I've also noticed the battery curve is sometimes different so it would appear the battery level drops faster but then it slows down and the total time ( from 100 to 0) ends up being the same.

ChronoReverse said:
Yeah, differences aren't too large. For example, your screen on time will always be in the 4 hour range if you have a medium-ish brightness.
With that said, sometimes a ROM can have a bug and your standby time suffers. I've also noticed the battery curve is sometimes different so it would appear the battery level drops faster but then it slows down and the total time ( from 100 to 0) ends up being the same.
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Holy crap. I'm lucky if I get 2 hours screen on, but thats with auto brightness. maybe I need to set it to medium brightness.
But I too have noticed some large battery differences on ROMS with the same base/kernel. I don't understand it, because as stated, the rom doesn't affect battery much.

I've since found a ROM, that with using it the same exact way, battery life is substantially better. That comment wasn't to offend a developer or get into a debate. Obviously a major part is how you use the phone, I know this.

quickbird144 said:
I've since found a ROM, that with using it the same exact way, battery life is substantially better. That comment wasn't to offend a developer or get into a debate. Obviously a major part is how you use the phone, I know this.
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You didn't offend me. Lmao. I probably know what Rom you are referring too. And I doubt its that it's better. I run all the roms and test them all. Pretty much the same all across the board. In the end it's the user who matters.So if you found a rom you belive is better for you battery wise, then kudos. Im glad you found a rom that works best for you.
ThE UnknowN

Right on.
Back to basics shall we.

mike208 said:
Holy crap. I'm lucky if I get 2 hours screen on, but thats with auto brightness. maybe I need to set it to medium brightness.
But I too have noticed some large battery differences on ROMS with the same base/kernel. I don't understand it, because as stated, the rom doesn't affect battery much.
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It also depends if you're using LTE. I should qualified my assertion with "just playing video using the hardware decoder".

I went I the play store and bought juice defender ultimate. Makes a big difference, well worth the money in my opinion.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda app-developers app

Here's a little story for ya.
I started out using Ginger stock, the interface felt sluggish coming from an iphone4 (wow I haven't typed "iphone" in such a long time, I feel weird!)
After mucho research, I went for the Eclipse rom. Ultra smooth, gotta love it. Like every other rom (so I've heard), I still get random reboot, but very few, about once a week and sometimes don't get it at all. Battery life is crazily good, loses about 4% overnight with "interactive governor". Music player always stop responding on first open. But I can live with that, just kill app and reopen and it's good to go. Overall, using the Eclipse rom has been a very nice experience.
Then I tried Novena (ICS rom I believe), the interface wasn't as smooth as JB, the battery also drains fast for some reason (yes I have turned off every option that could potentially drain the battery), so I moved on...
Then I tried JellyBeer, smooth just like Eclipse but with more options. However, the battery also drains pretty fast, why? I really don't know, played around for hours but still couldn't figure it out.
At last, I came back to Eclipse, everything is almost just how I want the phone to be.
In retrospect, I hit the jackpot on the first try. But it is certtainly worth the attempt to flash a variety of roms, eventually you will find the one that delivers.

You do know it takes a couple charge cycles for the rom and battery to "settle in" with each other right?
You can't judge Battery life by the few hours you have a rom flashed.. which I bet you were playing with the phone the whole time as well setting everything up the way you like seeing what other options are available all that jazz, making it seem like the rom was killing your battery even more.
Pitting these FREE roms against each other when it really comes down to end user, is unfair to the developers who do this unpaid in their free time.

studacris said:
You do know it takes a couple charge cycles for the rom and battery to "settle in" with each other right?
You can't judge Battery life by the few hours you have a rom flashed.. which I bet you were playing with the phone the whole time as well setting everything up the way you like seeing what other options are available all that jazz, making it seem like the rom was killing your battery even more.
Pitting these FREE roms against each other when it really comes down to end user, is unfair to the developers who do this unpaid in their free time.
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Be a man, some works and some just don't. Your mileage may vary.
To quote myself:
"It is certtainly worth the attempt to flash a variety of roms, eventually you will find the one that delivers."

Optimizing battery and stability with rom+kernel combination?

I'm leaving tomorrow on a cycle tour and don't have time to optimize this myself so am seeking advice:
I'm want to flash my i717 with rom(+kernel) that's gonna be stable and provide good battery performance. I also like the idea of pi controls but they're not essentials; I flashed flappjax latest 4.2.2 (march 31) and the pi control weren't working in desktop mode.
I've also heard about Jelly beer and that's it's very stable and good on battery, however I don't know how well it supports (and is sill supported on) i717 and whether http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/GalaxyNote/attroms/JellyBeer/JellyBeer-v3.57.2-quincyatt.zip is the latest download link or not.
I also heard rootBox is minimal, stable and I think good on battery life, however, the only place I see it available for i717 is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2199598 and it seems to no longer be supported, but maybe it's worth a flash.
In addition, would I also benefit from flashing a custom kernel? Like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147095 , for example; I've heard it's great on battery life. What combinations of ROMs, kernels and best practices do you have for optimizing stability with battery life in a jelly bean (or even ics package).

I'm currently using the SOA rom with the kernel it came with. I flashed the new ucmb4 modem and I'm very happy! I don't have pie controls though. If you want pie on any rom there's always 3rd party software I wasn't a fan of this app. Rootbox was a nice and battery friendly rom with pie until the april releases. Those weren't stable for me or others. Flappp's roms are always nice but haven't been as battery friendly as the SOA rom. and like you said the 3-31 pie isn't working on FJ's.

To be perfectly honest, bar-none the best battery/stability experience I've had is on the 4.0.4-based stock ROMs like Padawan and Blackstar X. In particular, Blackstar X with the AOSP Theme + Jason's white toggle theme has been (since I have always preferred the AOSP layout of custom ROMs) has performed the best for me, for both battery and stability. Just as an example, I'm ALWAYS on my phone and I still only discharge at about 6-7% per hour (compared to 15-20% on 4.2 and 4.1 ROMs). If I'm not on my phone (like at night), I go down at 2%/hour (compared to like 10% per hour on 4.2 and 4.1 if I'm lucky). Plus, ZERO reboots.
They're smooth as silk, as well.

CPA said it best ..
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CPA Poke said:
To be perfectly honest, bar-none the best battery/stability experience I've had is on the 4.0.4-based stock ROMs like Padawan and Blackstar X. In particular, Blackstar X with the AOSP Theme + Jason's white toggle theme has been (since I have always preferred the AOSP layout of custom ROMs) has performed the best for me, for both battery and stability. Just as an example, I'm ALWAYS on my phone and I still only discharge at about 6-7% per hour (compared to 15-20% on 4.2 and 4.1 ROMs). If I'm not on my phone (like at night), I go down at 2%/hour (compared to like 10% per hour on 4.2 and 4.1 if I'm lucky). Plus, ZERO reboots.
They're smooth as silk, as well.
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I am going to try your combination, actually! you are a very good lad for sharing
thank you! :highfive:
i hope i get more or less the same outcome.. i get the same 15-20% hour usage per hour on 4.2 and 4.1..
i find it too ambitious to wanting to be on the latest android release when ics is basically being very updated when it comes to apps and stuff
and google now is dumb(to me), i am moreso a classic user
I enjoy customisation and stuff so im on some paranoid rom but honestly it isn't giving the best performance and battery life(for me, but for others it works wonders it seems.. but they DO have the non OEM batteries for it, so that doesnt say much)
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I myself have flashed everything out there and nothing gets better battery life to me then gingerbread ...... I find it almost pointless for me to try to make the most out of my battery due to the fact I use my phone constantly and its less hassle to just charge the phone when needed ... I have had good success with battery life in most ROMs it just takes time and tweaking .. I usually stick with a ROM for about a week or 2 figure out how that ROM is suitable and change hence my screen name ... Hope you get the combo your trying to get :good luck
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CPA Poke said:
To be perfectly honest, bar-none the best battery/stability experience I've had is on the 4.0.4-based stock ROMs like Padawan and Blackstar X. In particular, Blackstar X with the AOSP Theme + Jason's white toggle theme has been (since I have always preferred the AOSP layout of custom ROMs) has performed the best for me, for both battery and stability. Just as an example, I'm ALWAYS on my phone and I still only discharge at about 6-7% per hour (compared to 15-20% on 4.2 and 4.1 ROMs). If I'm not on my phone (like at night), I go down at 2%/hour (compared to like 10% per hour on 4.2 and 4.1 if I'm lucky). Plus, ZERO reboots.
They're smooth as silk, as well.
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Which kernel do you use with Blackstar X, stock or h0tcakez? And why do you chose X instead of XI? Is it possible to get fast charge on 4.0.4 ROMs?

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I myself have flashed everything out there and nothing gets better battery life to me then gingerbread ...... I find it almost pointless for me to try to make the most out of my battery due to the fact I use my phone constantly and its less hassle to just charge the phone when needed ... I have had good success with battery life in most ROMs it just takes time and tweaking .. I usually stick with a ROM for about a week or 2 figure out how that ROM is suitable and change hence my screen name ... Hope you get the combo your trying to get :good luck
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same with me.. well its my first week using my new note(joining the club pretty late as theres a note 2 and even 3 round the corner) and so far ive tried a couple.. this blackstar x is known for being good for battery life and i have it on right now and it TRULY has great battery life, and i havent done my typical autorun's tweaking nor any build.prop edits( as i had on my previous galaxy phones/droids).. and its on its original kernel and so far so good, very fast and nof orce closes unless i really caused them(pinching on all the dpi's shown haha) but so far so good
If its having very decent battery life without all my usual tweaks then it means its superb.. However it lack the customisations as it is a very samsung rom, which is fine enough given the skin addons the Dev offers..
I applied the Acid Beats MOD and so far so good as well
now im only looking forward to trying this other rom named ROOTBOX but is currently removed, so im on the search for it elsewhere, hope to find it! ive heard it has good battery life for it being jellybean.. but if its no better than blackstars then im reverting
And of course gingerbread roms have best battery life.. this phone was born with gingerbread.. we shouldnt be pushing it so hard with kjellybean and such.. ics is the furthest it has gone and it barely did.. so we all should keep ics methinks..
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Which kernel do you use with Blackstar X, stock or h0tcakez? And why do you chose X instead of XI? Is it possible to get fast charge on 4.0.4 ROMs?
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I use Flapp's most recent TW kernel, 3.0.2. And I use X (as opposed to XI) because of that specifically - Blackstar XI is the same as X, except the base was changed to the newest Hong Kong Note, as opposed to the UCLF6 build. IMO that base is better if you're running stock only with no customizations, since it is a pure Samsung base without any At&t bloat - but since ROMs like Blackstar and Padawan have already been de-bloated, I prefer the US base because we don't have the Hong Kong source and, as a result, there are no custom kernels available.
So since I'm partial to FJ's kernel, that was a deal-breaker for me.
Btw, those battery stats I mentioned above are in spite of OC'ing at 1,728 (Wheatley governor, SIO scheduler).
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PrincessKiwi said:
I am going to try your combination, actually! you are a very good lad for sharing
thank you! :highfive:
i hope i get more or less the same outcome.. i get the same 15-20% hour usage per hour on 4.2 and 4.1..
i find it too ambitious to wanting to be on the latest android release when ics is basically being very updated when it comes to apps and stuff
and google now is dumb(to me), i am moreso a classic user
I enjoy customisation and stuff so im on some paranoid rom but honestly it isn't giving the best performance and battery life(for me, but for others it works wonders it seems.. but they DO have the non OEM batteries for it, so that doesnt say much)
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No problem at all, happy to share.
Forgot to mention in my first response that I'm running Flappjaxxx's most recent TW kernel (PM me if you want a link, as it's no longer on XDA). See my post immediately above for my kernel setup.
Also, if you really want to save battery in certain situations, I recommend downloading the Rescan Media Root app from the Play Store, then using it to disable media scanning. I know that (for me at least) the media scanner is always what causes the most battery drain for me, so that really helps. If you need to scan media for some reason, you can just go into the app and re-enable the scanner.
Edit: I know you said you don't like Google Now, but for anyone else thinking about going to the ICS ROM's that I mentioned above, there is actually a ported version of the app available via flashable zip (just search "Google Now ICS" on XDA). And actually, Padawan v5.1 has it already included in the ROM. That was the last thing for me to keep me happy on ICS, as I actually do like the app and use it often.

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CPA Poke said:
I use Flapp's most recent TW kernel, 3.0.2. And I use X (as opposed to XI) because of that specifically - Blackstar XI is the same as X, except the base was changed to the newest Hong Kong Note, as opposed to the UCLF6 build. IMO that base is better if you're running stock only with no customizations, since it is a pure Samsung base without any At&t bloat - but since ROMs like Blackstar and Padawan have already been de-bloated, I prefer the US base because we don't have the Hong Kong source and, as a result, there are no custom kernels available.
So since I'm partial to FJ's kernel, that was a deal-breaker for me.
Btw, those battery stats I mentioned above are in spite of OC'ing at 1,728 (Wheatley governor, SIO scheduler).
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No problem at all, happy to share.
Forgot to mention in my first response that I'm running Flappjaxxx's most recent TW kernel (PM me if you want a link, as it's no longer on XDA). See my post immediately above for my kernel setup.
Also, if you really want to save battery in certain situations, I recommend downloading the Rescan Media Root app from the Play Store, then using it to disable media scanning. I know that (for me at least) the media scanner is always what causes the most battery drain for me, so that really helps. If you need to scan media for some reason, you can just go into the app and re-enable the scanner.
Edit: I know you said you don't like Google Now, but for anyone else thinking about going to the ICS ROM's that I mentioned above, there is actually a ported version of the app available via flashable zip (just search "Google Now ICS" on XDA). And actually, Padawan v5.1 has it already included in the ROM. That was the last thing for me to keep me happy on ICS, as I actually do like the app and use it often.
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I p'md you <3
And does anyone know what tool can be used to tweaking the flapjaps kernels? nstools maybe? or can it be done from these random options in the rom? thanks :highfive:

I've tried jelly beer,root box, chameleon, fj jb, cm10.1....pretty much all the same problems. I agree with using blackrom x or even FJ stock ICS ROM. I got 4-5 hrs on screen time easy. Think I'm gonna go back
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