Can anyone help me out in this situation?
I sent in my touchpad to get repaired for cracks near the speaker but I had CM9 installed on it and it voided the warranty
My Touchpad was dead and I didn't have my charger for it so I couldn't wipe everything with webos doctor.
Today I got a letter in the post from SBE Ltd saying that my Touchpad couldn't be repaired the reason was ''Unauthorized software upgrade - Warranty void'' The faults found were Housing Rear - Cracked and Wrong Software version. The parts to be changed or repaired are replacement case and Software update
I was wondering if anyone could help me out in this situation. They want £294 for the Touchpad to be repaired because the warranty was voided and all they need to do is doctor it and replace the rear housing. They also are charging me if I want the Touchpad back unrepaired!
Is there anyway I can get my Touchpad repaired or sent back to me for free? I was thinking about playing dumb when I call them up but I don't know.
Please help me out
I think your options are very limited... if any.
There is a reason why devs make it clear in their statements that you are doing the modding at your own risk.
We all know that by modding and loading a custom rom you did not cause any physical harm to the device... it's the fall that broke it.
It's just that the OEMs (HP in this case) are using the "unauthorized software use" as an excuse to deny you the warranty service.
I personally do not agree with this policy but they set it up this way so they can wiggle out of warranty repair when ever possible.
I hope others have better news for you but I think you are SOL... Sorry...
cvcduty said:
I think your options are very limited... if any.
There is a reason why devs make it clear in their statements that you are doing the modding at your own risk.
We all know that by modding and loading a custom rom you did not cause any physical harm to the device... it's the fall that broke it.
It's just that the OEMs (HP in this case) are using the "unauthorized software use" as an excuse to deny you the warranty service.
I personally do not agree with this policy but they set it up this way so they can wiggle out of warranty repair when ever possible.
I hope others have better news for you but I think you are SOL... Sorry...
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Thanks for your reply.
I'll call up the repair company sometime this week.
I didn't even drop the Touchpad. It was always in the official case. I think it's a known hardware defect.
Shall I ring them up and deny ever installing any unauthorized software and act stupid?
sayeef said:
Thanks for your reply.
I'll call up the repair company sometime this week.
I didn't even drop the Touchpad. It was always in the official case. I think it's a known hardware defect.
Shall I ring them up and deny ever installing any unauthorized software and act stupid?
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You need to actually read your warranty, and tell them of your interpretation of it. Be forceful that un-authorized software is not stated in the warranty as being an exclusion.
I have attached a link to your warranty information here:http://www.hpwebos.com/us/support/contact/LimitedWarranty_HPwebOS2011.pdf
Put particular emphasis on these areas:
HARDWARE: HP warrants to the original purchaser
(“Customer”) that new HP branded hardware products will be
free from defects in workmanship and materials, under normal
use, for one (1) year from the original purchase date, and that
refurbished HP branded hardware products (marked and sold
as such by HP) will be free from defects in workmanship and
materials, under normal use, for ninety (90) days from the
original purchase date.
EXCLUSIVE REMEDIES: Should a covered defect occur during
the warranty period and you notify HP, your sole and exclusive
remedy shall be, at HP’s sole option and expense, to repair
or replace the product or software.
They may argue this:
EXCLUSIONS: This Limited Warranty does not apply (1) to
damage to the surface of the product, including cracks or
scratches on the LCD touchscreen or outside casing; (2) to
damage caused by misuse, neglect, improper installation,
storage or testing, unauthorized attempts to open, repair, or
modify the product, or any other cause beyond the range of
the intended use; (3) to damage caused by accident, fire, dirt,
sand, moisture or liquids, power changes, other hazards, or
acts of God; (4) to damage caused by use of the product with
any non-HP device or service if such device or service causes
the problem; or (5) if any HP serial number has been removed,
defaced or altered.
But you should argue this:
EXCLUSIONS: This Limited Warranty does not apply (1) to
damage to the surface of the product, including cracks or
scratches on the LCD touchscreen or outside casing; (2) to
damage caused by misuse, neglect, improper installation,
storage or testing, unauthorized attempts to open, repair, or
modify the product, or any other cause beyond the range of
the intended use; (3) to damage caused by accident, fire, dirt,
sand, moisture or liquids, power changes, other hazards, or
acts of God; (4) to damage caused by use of the product with
any non-HP device or service if such device or service causes
the problem; or (5) if any HP serial number has been removed,
defaced or altered.
Tell them to explain how an "un-authorized" operating system caused material defects in workmanship!
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They may also argue that installing the "un-authorized" software does not constitute "normal" use. You should then argue what the interpretation of "normal" is. I would suggest that after discontinuing the product and support, and a large percentage of users running android on their Touchpad's, that normal use would be installing Android.
Thank you so much for pointing that out. I thought all hopes were lost.
Shall I try it with the Palm live chat first? I'm not very confident when trying to get my point across over the phone. (I'm only 15)
When or if I call them up, could you tell me what to say to them and how to start the conversation?
Sorry for so many questions.
How much are they charging to send it back without repairs? Its hard to believe they would charge you anything other than shipping costs.
I would start the conversation straight out saying that you do not understand why they are denying coverage based on "un-authorized" software... I would have them explain to you how this has caused damage to the device. Have them prove that your TouchPad became defective as a direct cause of the custom rom usage. If they point to the fact that this is was a "improper use" or "improper installation", I would argue that point as well... have them define what "improper" use means. To me, that implies using the device for purposes other than what it was originally designed for... as in tablet PC Vs... a frisbee.
The fact that you used the device as a tablet pc (as intended) but with a "improper installation", is fishy and sketch at best... ultimately, I would argue that the use of "improper installation" had nothing to do with a known manufacturing defect (cracked case).
And a trick I usually pull is if the guys/gal helping you seem uncooperative, ask for the supervisor or manager... often times, I find that they have the authority to make the call on cases such as yours where as the tech support person might have to clear their decisions with their manager. Basically, it would be harder for that manager/supervisor to give you the bad news (I hope otherwise) Vs. having another person tell you on their behalf.
Good luck...
I've just had an hour long chat with one of the reps on the live chat
http://pastebin.com/KJC3nLmT
They were no help at all
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I've just had an hour long chat with one of the reps on the live chat
http://pastebin.com/KJC3nLmT
They were no help at all
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They sure are a difficult bunch... it seems like they cannot be reasoned with at all!
It would seem that the implicit meaning of the conversation is that they don't care what you do software wise with the Touchpad, as long as it arrived in the repair facility with WebOS on it.
It seems like you are in a difficult situation with your device already being in for repair. What happened with the voice call escalation?
jsgraphicart said:
How much are they charging to send it back without repairs? Its hard to believe they would charge you anything other than shipping costs.
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£20 for the device back without repairs. Blasphemy.
cvcduty said:
I would start the conversation straight out saying that you do not understand why they are denying coverage based on "un-authorized" software... I would have them explain to you how this has caused damage to the device. Have them prove that your TouchPad became defective as a direct cause of the custom rom usage. If they point to the fact that this is was a "improper use" or "improper installation", I would argue that point as well... have them define what "improper" use means. To me, that implies using the device for purposes other than what it was originally designed for... as in tablet PC Vs... a frisbee.
The fact that you used the device as a tablet pc (as intended) but with a "improper installation", is fishy and sketch at best... ultimately, I would argue that the use of "improper installation" had nothing to do with a known manufacturing defect (cracked case).
And a trick I usually pull is if the guys/gal helping you seem uncooperative, ask for the supervisor or manager... often times, I find that they have the authority to make the call on cases such as yours where as the tech support person might have to clear their decisions with their manager. Basically, it would be harder for that manager/supervisor to give you the bad news (I hope otherwise) Vs. having another person tell you on their behalf.
Good luck...
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Thanks for the information. Much appreciated.
Can you look through my chat log with HP and tell me how I can improve?
Thanks
I didn't bother with the voice call escalation because I'm from the UK and the rep from Palm is from the US
I might call up tomorrow. Shall I call them both up (HP and the company that is repairing) or shall I only call up one?
Once again, thanks for everyone helping me out in a situation which I thought was impossible to get out of
This is unbelievable
What a bunch of pricks.
lifeisfun said:
This is unbelievable
What a bunch of pricks.
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I tried the web support and was drawn to a similar conclusion. It is easy for them just to say "no" and say it is because of policy; I'd say it is a standard answer.
Anything for them to get out of honoring the warranty... what a bunch of criminals. At least they will ship it back to you. The representative I spoke to said that sometimes it can take months for it to be returned!
I have dealt with tech/customer support such as this before. They are often given a script to read from and they are hard to deal with.
Your best bet... for now, would be to see if the phone support people (HP would be my guess) are little bit more understanding and reasonable. Like I said, ask for a manager/supervisor if the first person is not working with you.
At the end of it all, if you can get them to return the device to you at a reasonable cost (hopefully as close to free as possible) get the device to factory state and send it back for repair. But since they already have your device on record as "warranty voided", make sure that they will allow you free warranty service once WebOS is restored.
If this is still not acceptable, I would say, just live with the small crack. Afterall, if you have it under a cover, you will never even notice it. For the price you paid for the device, this might be too much of a hassle to deal with afterall.
Again, best of luck and I hope the phone support will be more reasonable then the live chat robots...
cvcduty said:
I have dealt with tech/customer support such as this before. They are often given a script to read from and they are hard to deal with.
Your best bet... for now, would be to see if the phone support people (HP would be my guess) are little bit more understanding and reasonable. Like I said, ask for a manager/supervisor if the first person is not working with you.
At the end of it all, if you can get them to return the device to you at a reasonable cost (hopefully as close to free as possible) get the device to factory state and send it back for repair. But since they already have your device on record as "warranty voided", make sure that they will allow you free warranty service once WebOS is restored.
If this is still not acceptable, I would say, just live with the small crack. Afterall, if you have it under a cover, you will never even notice it. For the price you paid for the device, this might be too much of a hassle to deal with afterall.
Again, best of luck and I hope the phone support will be more reasonable then the live chat robots...
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I'll ring them tomorrow when I come back from school.
I used the warranty check on the HP site and it says that my Touchpads warranty is active and it will expire on the 20th of September.
If I get my device back unrepaired, shall I try to get another repair started?
Well, that would be entirely up to you... If they get the device back to you before the warranty expires and you still want to deal with the hassle, I would say, sure.
But, before you give up... let's hope phone support can help to resolve the matter to your satisfaction first...
Your other option is to try and get the device back, revert it to stock and then re-submit it. Still no guarantee, since they will have it on file that you had a non-standard ROM on the device. That said, if it boots into WebOS and they can make the repairs to confirm functionality - this stint of non-standard OS may not crop up on their radar.
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The issue HP has presently is they can't guarantee service or repair if they fixed your hardware under a ROM which they didn't install. Theoretically, if they botched something in CW Recovery or the ROM (CM or otherwise not WebOS), you as the consumer would be all over HP to not just replace the gear, but attempt all wordly efforts to recover the loss of personal data or information. This is a no-win and high risk situation for HP on a per-consumer transaction. To avoid this risk, they'll cut the consumer off at every corner from tampering with what they as the manufacturer push to market or certify the product for.
The same holds true in any industry. When consumers push the product outside the realm of what the manufacturer installed/certified the product for - you won't get assistance or support under the warranty. If you install 33" tires on your truck, but it's only rated for wheels up to 30" - you won't get warranty support. If you put in an aftermarket engine - you won't get warranty support. If your PC is only rated up to Win XP, and you push it to Vista or Win 7 - you won't get warranty support.
Prickish or not, that's the reality of support versus consumer expectation.
--McBean
McBeanTIO said:
Prickish or not, that's the reality of support versus consumer expectation.
--McBean
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Unfortunately, that is the reality. I don't want to discourage anyone from attempting to have their hardware issues resolved by HP, but the first course of action (if possible) should be to restore to factory WebOS prior to contacting them for any support/warranty.
I thought US passed law saying software doesn't void hardware warranties... since it is same as rooting/jailbreaking and something was passed saying that it doesn't void the hardware part of it. I know you aren't in US but HP is, and it should still follow that rule
unless HP's UK branch operates under a different set of rules
tell them to send it back and superglue the cracks
Related
Looks like a distraught customer in San Francisco is suing Asus. Article is at courthouse news.
markd311 said:
Looks like a distraught customer in San Francisco is suing Asus. Article is at courthouse news.
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Thanks for the link........
So, I was surfing the internets and accidentally came across this almost all white page with a single input box. Above it says something like goo g le or something like that. Wow, it's a search engine! Look what I found!
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/13/43820.htm
damn he's still worried about the GPS lol there's much worse to worry about now
"Almost immediately after the purchase of his Transformer Prime, plaintiff began to experience significantly reduced GPS performance which rendered the device unreliable and not functional."
I'd really like to see how GPS not working on a tablet (which you don't really need anyway) makes a device not functional.
redbullcat said:
"Almost immediately after the purchase of his Transformer Prime, plaintiff began to experience significantly reduced GPS performance which rendered the device unreliable and not functional."
I'd really like to see how GPS not working on a tablet (which you don't really need anyway) makes a device not functional.
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The GPS device, which was advertised as an included feature of the tablet, is not functional.
I personally could not care less about the GPS and I'll never use it, but it's not fair to pretend that it wasn't important to some people.
It won't go anywhere. Money not long enough to hang with Asus..lol
redbullcat said:
"Almost immediately after the purchase of his Transformer Prime, plaintiff began to experience significantly reduced GPS performance which rendered the device unreliable and not functional."
I'd really like to see how GPS not working on a tablet (which you don't really need anyway) makes a device not functional.
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Without GPS he got lost in his house which made him unable to locate his router and get close enough to receive a signal and make wifi usable! Duh! Lol
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redbullcat said:
"Almost immediately after the purchase of his Transformer Prime, plaintiff began to experience significantly reduced GPS performance which rendered the device unreliable and not functional."
I'd really like to see how GPS not working on a tablet (which you don't really need anyway) makes a device not functional.
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Most likely because google uses a lot of API calls to the internal GPS for their subsystems. Also for a device to be defined as "functional" all parameters and specifications from design must be met.
I can see this case from both sides. On the one side they have told any one whom is having these problems that they will work with them or issue a return. On the other hand the FCC verified the functionality of the tablet as it was and the tablet is sold under false pretences. Sounds like an interesting case.
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The plaintiff would have to argue that GPS functionality is the primary reason for the purchase of his Prime.
The main problem w/ this case is that he knew of this issue before product arrival and did not choose to return it to which he would have to argue that ASUS had perceived that this was something that could be fixed with software, which is not true because ASUS had admitted that hardware was the fault.
Plus FCC already passed this s being a competent wireless device. I can see possibly trying to argue. But trying to say wifi is useless or doesn't work is b.s. there hasn't been one person who wifi was completely broken or Unable to connect. So he will easily loose on that. Plus Asus people will thoroughly check for any tampering at all and anything that person could've done that's wrong. They will see if he has all the latest firmware dates n all that. They will probably get it to work n the courtroom n make the guy look silly..lol. a dead end case really. Believe Asus already has legal teams n plan in actions for situations just like this. So many ways he could easily lose the case.
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Plus they'll easily say why didn't he return it or exchange it. He wasn't forced to keep it..lol. open n shut case win for Asus. It might just open their eyes though enough to finally make a big move. So regardless if plaintiff loses this case, something good can come out of it.
redbullcat said:
I'd really like to see how GPS not working on a tablet (which you don't really need anyway) makes a device not functional.
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I'll be happy to show you how WiFi not working on a tablet makes the device not functional. Also, I can show you how when you pair a Bluetooth device and lose 85% of your already weak WiFi throughput, it makes your device nonfunctional.
The litigant may not have alleged those defects in his original complaint, but that's a simple matter of an amendment. I'm sure it'll come up.
Some of you are unreal! Nobody cares if you think the GPS doesn't matter because it doesn't have cell capability. I have 3 GPS units that function great and they don't have WIFI or cell service. ASUS sold the prime as having GPS and that's basically false advertising. If you bought an early model that states GPS and listened to ASUS saying they will fix the issue, you'll be waiting forever because the only fix is another external GPS. They go to court show the functionality of the GPS , then they're ordered to comply with their stated specs. I don't care what someone does with their prime but you cannot tell me or anyone else how to.
demandarin said:
Plus they'll easily say why didn't he return it or exchange it. He wasn't forced to keep it..lol. open n shut case win for Asus. It might just open their eyes though enough to finally make a big move. So regardless if plaintiff loses this case, something good can come out of it.
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Before you call this an "open shut case" you might want to spend some time reading the Uniform Commercial Code (e.g. the law that governs the sale of goods in the US). Pay particular attention to:
§ 2-714. Buyer's Damages for Breach in Regard to Accepted Goods.
(1) Where the buyer has accepted goods and given notification (subsection (3) of Section 2-607) he may recover as damages for any non-conformity of tender the loss resulting in the ordinary course of events from the seller's breach as determined in any manner which is reasonable.
(2) The measure of damages for breach of warranty is the difference at the time and place of acceptance between the value of the goods accepted and the value they would have had if they had been as warranted, unless special circumstances show proximate damages of a different amount.
(3) In a proper case any incidental and consequential damages under the next section may also be recovered.
I know that's a lot of words, but if you sell a "good" and list a feature on the package or marketing materials, that creates a "warranty". If the feature doesn't work, you've breached that warranty and the "tender" is "non-conforming". Even if the buyer "accepts" the good, he can still sue for breach. Isn't law fun when you actually read it?
Thank you! Someone making sense.
demandarin said:
there hasn't been one person who wifi was completely broken or Unable to connect.
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There are several threads where WiFi was completely broken. Some people even had their WiFi completely devoid of life after OTA update.
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Before you call this an "open shut case" you might want to spend some time reading the Uniform Commercial Code (e.g. the law that governs the sale of goods in the US). Pay particular attention to:
§ 2-714. Buyer's Damages for Breach in Regard to Accepted Goods.
(1) Where the buyer has accepted goods and given notification (subsection (3) of Section 2-607) he may recover as damages for any non-conformity of tender the loss resulting in the ordinary course of events from the seller's breach as determined in any manner which is reasonable.
(2) The measure of damages for breach of warranty is the difference at the time and place of acceptance between the value of the goods accepted and the value they would have had if they had been as warranted, unless special circumstances show proximate damages of a different amount.
(3) In a proper case any incidental and consequential damages under the next section may also be recovered.
I know that's a lot of words, but if you sell a "good" and list a feature on the package or marketing materials, that creates a "warranty". If the feature doesn't work, you've breached that warranty and the "tender" is "non-conforming". Even if the buyer "accepts" the good, he can still sue for breach. Isn't law fun when you actually read it?
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But technically GPS does work. Not just as anyone is expecting it to. Nowhere does it say a working GPS has to be able to navigate. As long as it can lock n pull your location that falls under working.
Regardless if the guy wins or loses the case, good can come out if it.
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BUYMECAR said:
There are several threads where WiFi was completely broken. Some people even had their WiFi completely devoid of life after OTA update.
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Who said this applies to this guy case? Lol. Plus I haven't seen these threads n I'm here all the time. Of a completely broken wifi and can't connect at all? Even if true it was caused by software, which can easily be changed. Not a hardware fault. Get it right..lmao
demandarin said:
But technically GPS does work. Not just as anyone is expecting it to. Nowhere does it say a working GPS has to be able to navigate. As long as it can lock n pull your location that falls under working.
Regardless if the guy wins or loses the case, good can come out if it.
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If you bought a car with an engine that only ran in completely optimal environmental conditions, and could only get the car up to a maximum speed of 22 MPH, would you be content that it "technically" worked? Or would you think that was a defect?
dcAndroidFan said:
I'll be happy to show you how WiFi not working on a tablet makes the device not functional. Also, I can show you how when you pair a Bluetooth device and lose 85% of your already weak WiFi throughput, it makes your device nonfunctional.
The litigant may not have alleged those defects in his original complaint, but that's a simple matter of an amendment. I'm sure it'll come up.
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Those make it not functional. But GPS doesn't make a device not functional, and that was what was stated.
OK, yes, the device was sold with false advertising. But ASUS obviously didn't know that GPS wasn't working, otherwise they'd have tried to fix it.
At the end of the day, to me it doesn't matter. I never used GPS on my TF101 and I'll likely never use it on my TF201. I have an excellent smartphone, which is on me 95% of the time. If I ever need GPS, I'll use that.
Plus its not even known if he attempted to return or exchange tablet. And if he sent it in for RMA or not. If he didn't then that's even more ammo for Asus. regardless of assumptions made if Rma can fix it or not. They will check if he followed the proper channels to getting issue resolved. If he didn't do anything then he lost for sure. Plus I bet if this actually does go to court Asus will get GPS working in there..lol. as soon as it shows a lock. Its a wrap. Fits definition of GPS. Able to find and lock on satellite. GPS definition is Global Positioning System. So if it pulls info, its technically working. Might not work to extent you would like but still fits description and therefore is why FCC tested it. Even most people GPS here now can at least see satellites and get a lock. Navigating is the problem for most. So it technically still fits a working description.
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If you bought a car with an engine that only ran in completely optimal environmental conditions, and could only get the car up to a maximum speed of 22 MPH, would you be content that it "technically" worked? Or would you think that was a defect?
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GPS n engine not even close comparison. Engine needed for car to work. GPS isn't needed for device to work. Tablet will still work fine without it. That's the difference.
Anyways there was already enough debate on this. GPS is a dead issue. No matter results of this case, it should turn out good for everyone. Maybe the fact someone even taking them to court over this will open their eyes. So I'm not going to argue what your meaning of GPS is. We will see how the case unfolds, if it even goes to trial..lol. more thsn likely Asus offer guy a new prime and case n charges are dismissed..lol. avoidance of going to court would be first priority of Asus. If it does go, then Asus will use everything in their power to show device was working as listed by spec as approved by FCC. They have more than enough paperwork n proof to prove that.
Had a phone call with a VP from Asus. Want to know why after months being released you still can't find one to buy easily? Asus is and has been fully aware of the hardware issues with its tablet. Even BEFORE it was released, but since they (here we go again with this word) announced a release date and wanted to try to get some money in around the holidays was released anyway. Asus is just not producing a lot of them because they know the only way to fix their problems is with a physical hardware change. And of course, the least amount of units you have in the field the less it will cost to fix. This does make sense to me, and it is also almost a given. You don't have to believe me, but I wasn't told not to distribute this information. I'm only holding back the name our of respect.
I interpret this discussion as good news, as it appears they have plans to actually fix or replace our devices. I hope this is true.
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David Dee said:
I interpret this discussion as good news, as it appears they have plans to actually fix or replace our devices. I hope this is true.
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Optimistically, so it would seem.
Pessimistically, they get a smaller class action when they phase out the Prime.
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You don't have to believe me, but I wasn't told not to distribute this information. I'm only holding back the name our of respect.
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WTF?? If you were told not to distribute this information, what exactly do you think that posting on the most prominent dev forum on the internet is? Keeping silent?
Edit: Ok, now I see that you say you were NOT told not to distribute the information. I was confused by the post title "sworn to secrecy".
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Had a phone call with a VP from Asus. Want to know why after months being released you still can't find one to buy easily? Asus is and has been fully aware of the hardware issues with its tablet. Even BEFORE it was released, but since they (here we go again with this word) announced a release date and wanted to try to get some money in around the holidays was released anyway. Asus is just not producing a lot of them because they know the only way to fix their problems is with a physical hardware change. And of course, the least amount of units you have in the field the less it will cost to fix. This does make sense to me, and it is also almost a given. You don't have to believe me, but I wasn't told not to distribute this information. I'm only holding back the name our of respect.
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I am raising the BS flag on this. Asus is a multi-billion dollar company and obviously they must have some business acumen to have achieved this. If they were in full knowledge that their product was fatally flawed why continue to distribute it, even in small quantities? The logical action if this actually were the case would be to pull the product immediately and cut their losses. Continuing to distribute a product that they know is flawed and that they are going to recall would either a) increase the cost of this recall; or b) increase their liability from a class action lawsuit. The OP makes no sense.
Oh, and if this is actually true I take it that this is the last phone call that you will have with your Asus VP buddy
well I just Spoke with the President of Asus on this matter. you know the president is higher up than a VP. I linked him to the op and he said its utter B.S. lmfao.
More like the OP spoke with the VP of the cleaning company that cleans Asus Headquarters..lmao
Thanks OP, I needed a good laugh. this is funny!
edit: SOME GULLIBLE PERSON ACTUALLY BELIEVED THIS.
WARNING! THIS IS SARCASM AT ITS BEST. THIS POST I MADE IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT. IF HE BELIEVES THIS THEN HE MUST BELIEVE IN BIGFOOT ALSO..LOL
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I am raising the BS flag on this. Asus is a multi-billion dollar company and obviously they must have some business acumen to have achieved this. If they were in full knowledge that their product was fatally flawed why continue to distribute it, even in small quantities? The logical action if this actually were the case would be to pull the product immediately and cut their losses. Continuing to distribute a product that they know is flawed and that they are going to recall would either a) increase the cost of this recall; or b) increase their liability from a class action lawsuit. The OP makes no sense.
Oh, and if this is actually true I take it that this is the last phone call that you will have with your Asus VP buddy
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that's what Im saying..lol. VP is not that dumb to admit to a major crime to a mere consumer out of no where. They know better than that. come on now OP, at least make it believable
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that's what I saying..lol. VP is not that dumb to admit to a major crime to a mere consumer out of no where. They know better than that. come on now OP, at least make it believable
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Unless you are the VP, then I wouldn't trash another forum member. I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe he's not a mere consumer. The VP of a big company like ASUS will know that no-one will believe a "mere consumer" anyway. They are getting away with murder.
I was told by the product manager of ASUS South Africa this morning when trying to organise my refund "What do you want? Cause I'm really busy". He did not say it any way that could even be deemed as "nice" or "helpful". This blind fanboyism needs to stop.
To the OP: name and shame.
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I am raising the BS flag on this. Asus is a multi-billion dollar company and obviously they must have some business acumen to have achieved this. If they were in full knowledge that their product was fatally flawed why continue to distribute it, even in small quantities? The logical action if this actually were the case would be to pull the product immediately and cut their losses. Continuing to distribute a product that they know is flawed and that they are going to recall would either a) increase the cost of this recall; or b) increase their liability from a class action lawsuit. The OP makes no sense.
Oh, and if this is actually true I take it that this is the last phone call that you will have with your Asus VP buddy
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Wow, a VP who feels obliged to just give this info over the phone to a random caller, even though Asus as a company has continuasly denied a widespread issue on these tablets?? Smells like another BS post to me, but I dont want to be accused again of stalking the OP's posts.
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I am raising the BS flag on this. Asus is a multi-billion dollar company and obviously they must have some business acumen to have achieved this. If they were in full knowledge that their product was fatally flawed why continue to distribute it, even in small quantities? The logical action if this actually were the case would be to pull the product immediately and cut their losses. Continuing to distribute a product that they know is flawed and that they are going to recall would either a) increase the cost of this recall; or b) increase their liability from a class action lawsuit. The OP makes no sense.
Oh, and if this is actually true I take it that this is the last phone call that you will have with your Asus VP buddy
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This. +1. 10 char
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Unless you are the VP, then I wouldn't trash another forum member. I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe he's not a mere consumer. The VP of a big company like ASUS will know that no-one will believe a "mere consumer" anyway. They are getting away with murder.
I was told by the product manager of ASUS South Africa this morning when trying to organise my refund "What do you want? Cause I'm really busy". He did not say it any way that could even be deemed as "nice" or "helpful". This blind fanboyism needs to stop.
To the OP: name and shame.
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I would not say that this is "blind fanboyism", at least on my part. The point I was making is that the OP makes no business sense. You don't continue to distribute flawed products when you know that the midterm liability will be greater than the short term profit.
I am less than happy with Asus: I am sure that any fix that may or may not be offered for the hardware issues will not include people who have unlocked their bootloaders even though their TFP's contain the same substandard components. I unlocked my bootloader in full knowledge that I was voiding my warranty and fortunately my hardware issues have been negligible (I would not have done it otherwise). However, my GPS (which I don't use) is non-functional (as I said, not a big deal to me). The bootloader unlock was a sneaky way for Asus to reduce their overall liability by voiding warranties. Overall, I will not loose any sleep over this but looking around this forum there seem to have been a lot of users that have unwittingly unlocked without realizing the full consequences of their actions.
>If they were in full knowledge that their product was fatally flawed why continue to distribute it, even in small quantities?
For one, because the product isn't "fatally flawed," as evidenced by the fact that most here are still using it.
There can be many possible reasons--business and technical--none of which we as outsiders are privy to. You can just as well ask, why release a product right after Christmas shopping season, traditionally the deadest spot of the year for consumer buying.
Here's one plausible reason: Because Asus needed a test bed, since this is the first tablet that makes use of the unibody process from the Zenbook line. It wants to work out the kinks before applying the production process to more mainstream models.
Sure, anybody who said "yeah, I just had a talk with a VP, and he said XYZ" should be viewed sceptically. But what he said isn't exactly outrageous. And it's not asking you to alter your view. It's simply another data point.
>The bootloader unlock was a sneaky way for Asus to reduce their overall liability by voiding warranties.
This would be a good reason for Asus to stop offering the BL unlock for future models, if your attitude is representative of how it's viewed.
Well my ignore list just grew one more person..
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>The bootloader unlock was a sneaky way for Asus to reduce their overall liability by voiding warranties.
This would be a good reason for Asus to stop offering the BL unlock for future models, if your attitude is representative of how it's viewed.
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In general, I think the response to every ASUS effort to communicate and resolve issues has been such that they're probably rethinking being involved in this forum.
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>If they were in full knowledge that their product was fatally flawed why continue to distribute it, even in small quantities?
For one, because the product isn't "fatally flawed," as evidenced by the fact that most here are still using it.
There can be many possible reasons--business and technical--none of which we as outsiders are privy to. You can just as well ask, why release a product right after Christmas shopping season, traditionally the deadest spot of the year for consumer buying.
Here's one plausible reason: Because Asus needed a test bed, since this is the first tablet that makes use of the unibody process from the Zenbook line. It wants to work out the kinks before applying the production process to more mainstream models.
Sure, anybody who said "yeah, I just had a talk with a VP, and he said XYZ" should be viewed sceptically. But what he said isn't exactly outrageous. And it's not asking you to alter your view. It's simply another data point.
>The bootloader unlock was a sneaky way for Asus to reduce their overall liability by voiding warranties.
This would be a good reason for Asus to stop offering the BL unlock for future models, if your attitude is representative of how it's viewed.
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For the record, in no way do I personally think that the Prime is "fatally flawed". As I stated in my previous post I think it is a great piece of hardware and if have had little reason to be unhappy with it - it works well for me.
However, the implication of the OP was that Asus was aware that it was flawed prior to its release and knew that they were going to have to deal with the resulting issues. This makes no business sense, whereas the the explanation that you give is reasonable. However, you state that the OP is "simply another data point". Data has to be based on fact to be worthy of attention
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In general, I think the response to every ASUS effort to communicate and resolve issues has been such that they're probably rethinking being involved in this forum.
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Couldn't of said it better myself. What's the point of informing your customers if they are just going to complain about every little thing and expect you to provide more info when they want it?! I don't see where on my receipt/warranty where it states that Asus is SUPPOSED to do this. I think this is probably part of the reason why Gary's posts are getting smaller, the amount of complaints, accusations, trolling and people just generally expecting everything be handed to them is amazing!
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Well my ignore list just grew one more person..
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Lmao! it's both funny and sad at the same time, the lengths that some would go.
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Well my ignore list just grew one more person..
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opentoe is probably just sexually frustrated since he broke up with his girlfriend cameltoe.
>In general, I think the response to every ASUS effort to communicate and resolve issues has been such that they're probably rethinking being involved in this forum.
It's part and parcel of customer support. I don't think people's reaction here are out of the ordinary. I think the communication process could be better handled, and hope that will be the case once the dedicated CS Gary spoke of is in place.
It's a given that rants tend to get louder when there is a willing ear. But a seasoned CS rep should have no problem filtering out the noise.
I can confirm the OP's post as legit!
Guys, I just called Asus customer service and was immediately transferred to a conference call to the very same VP as well as the President of Asus!! They did confirm that even though they have pending lawsuits so they shouldn't be telling me this, but after gaining their trust over the phone, they did admit that they were well aware of the issues with these tablets, but that they just really needed to make some money, so they went and released them anyway. They also informed me of the secret update that Gary has mentioned, which will be released soon! I can't tell you guys what the announcement will be or they threatened to be really really upset with me if I did!
So now demandarin is not the only person with an Asus contact!!
love you guys!!
This "unavailability" thing also doesn't make sense to me. Practically every Fry's Electronics in my vicinity is stocking Prime 32/64 Grey/Champagne and the corresponding docks. For $499 and $599 plus taxes respectively. I actually stood in line on the release day and was majorly jilted by Apple with the iPad 3 (bad screen/temperature/10 hr recharge issues, to name a few). After 5-6 exchanges and repeated bad screens, I gave up and decided to get the BEST android tab instead. The Prime was an obvious choice. I looked up Amazon and the it looks like they are going for $600+ for 32. I look up Fry's and they got em all. LOL. I'm seriously stumped as to why the online prices have shot up like that. And... get this... my Prime had a dead pixel. It took me a while to unroot and remove the cwm. But it can be done. I took it to Fry's and walked out with a brand new one in less than 15 minutes. I have had no other 'issues' as such. Although I haven't tested the GPS. My buddy mistakenly updated it to .21 and now I'm stuck w/o root. LOL. But hey, otherwise it's a solid piece of hardware. Very well designed. I don't think a lot of people understand the complications behind cutting-edge design and hardware integration. Apple was handing out $5 bumpers for dropped calls. I'm sure Asus has done a much better job with the Prime.
Mind games! I would say no one in here gets any inside info from anyone at asus other than what Gary provides . Anything else is just another wannabie.
I've owned HTC, Samsung and Motorola Android phones and I've had negative experience with two out of 3 those vendors (more on that below). I'm now thinking of getting a newer phone quite soon (well, supposedly Google will be announcing 5 new Google-branded devices this Fall) and the warranty considerations are about the top of my list.
If you've had an experience (wherever positive or negative) with the warranty on your android phone, please post away and let me start the ball rolling. My goal here is to ideally find the manufacturer which would deal with end users directly on the warranty issues and would not shy away from the international warranty. I'll collect responses and then edit this post to reflect the actual warranty statements from the manufacturers rather than my own experiences.
[HTC] I've had a Google Ion device (given at the Google I/O conference) which was also sold known HTC MyTouch. I needed to flash Android 1.5 on it and bricked the phone. HTC spent about a month before they said they didn't have this IMEI in their database and would not offer *any* support (including paid) with that phone. What a bummer, I don't think I'd ever buy the HTC-made Google-branded phone.
[MOTOROLA] Had a problem with the phone not charging (when plugged to a computer) and I panicked and contacted Motorola. They ran the IMEI and suggested I go back to the provider (even tho I'm overseas and wouldn't be back home for a while they refused to accept the phone directly from me). Thankfully the phone charged just fine off the wall outlet, but what if I've had a genuine issue with the phone while overseas? Also, what if this had been a second-hand phone?
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the best solutioin for ur problem is the following:
there are two different things
1. the warranty (it is given by the phone manufacture)
2. the service the seller gives to u
i would mention to find a seller wich has a own service station
cus if there are any problems u can bring the phone to them and let them check out whats wrong
I thankfully haven't had to make use of warranty thus far on my android phone (it's an HTC), but I'd say probably if you read some small text somewhere you'd find that the device you were given at Google I/O came without warranty or something like that. I'm sure on purchased devices, HTC will honour the warranty well.
Also, from what I've read, it's almost impossible to completely destroy an HTC phone with software (you should always be able to access bootloader via hardware button combo and from there reflash OS). So an HTC warranty is probably mainly useful for hardware problems.
Another thought worth mentioning is that many manufacturers will not honour warranties if the phone has been rooted or had the bootloader unlocked (at least, if they can tell )
SifJar said:
I thankfully haven't had to make use of warranty thus far on my android phone (it's an HTC), but I'd say probably if you read some small text somewhere you'd find that the device you were given at Google I/O came without warranty or something like that. I'm sure on purchased devices, HTC will honour the warranty well.
Also, from what I've read, it's almost impossible to completely destroy an HTC phone with software (you should always be able to access bootloader via hardware button combo and from there reflash OS). So an HTC warranty is probably mainly useful for hardware problems.
Another thought worth mentioning is that many manufacturers will not honour warranties if the phone has been rooted or had the bootloader unlocked (at least, if they can tell )
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That was i was thinking too but ive been resently involved into a discussion where a guy bricked his phone in a way he couldnt even get into recovery nor the bootloader
jiffer1991 said:
That was i was thinking too but ive been resently involved into a discussion where a guy bricked his phone in a way he couldnt even get into recovery nor the bootloader
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On an HTC? Was he trying to get S-OFF or something? (Perhaps I am misinformed about the brick-ability of HTC phones)
Guys, the thread is about the warranty, not the brickability of the HTC phones.
Regarding the warranty from the seller -- who gives a **** when I'm half a world away from the seller for 4-6 months?
stangri said:
Guys, the thread is about the warranty, not the brickability of the HTC phones.
Regarding the warranty from the seller -- who gives a **** when I'm half a world away from the seller for 4-6 months?
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Yes, sorry for going off topic there.
Anyway, I agree you should not have to rely on any warranty from the seller.
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That was i was thinking too but ive been resently involved into a discussion where a guy bricked his phone in a way he couldnt even get into recovery nor the bootloader
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I dont know im just saying this because i want u to be careful
Greetings. My S4 Developer Edition will arrive on Tuesday. When I purchased it online I think I read that once software is installed (I'm assuming recovery/ROM/rooting it, etc.), the warranty is void. Did I read that right? If that's the case and some hardware component dies, that's gonna be one expensive fix.
Yeah, I should have read the whole thing before clicking but all I could think about is ditching this crappy Bionic. So I guess in the end it really doesn't matter, I'm rooting and ROM'ing it no matter what.
EDIT: It appears I will need a new warranty. I'm subscribed to a thread that mentions something about this.
I got a warranty for $99 for 2 years through www.squaretrade.com.
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Kaiya_FL said:
I got a warranty for $99 for 2 years through www.squaretrade.com.
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Thanks. It was your post that clued me in. I'll check into it.
I also got a squaretrade warranty also but realized esquared has a better coverage which includes theft or loss.
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[Solved] Can you post a ;link to them? (esquared)
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I also got a squaretrade warranty also but realized esquared has a better coverage which includes theft or loss.
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google didn't find anything with that name?
the name is ensquared.
http://www.ensquared.com/
You couldn't revert to stock, and have them honor the warranty? I mean, a hardware failure has nothing to do with the software.
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You couldn't revert to stock, and have them honor the warranty? I mean, a hardware failure has nothing to do with the software.
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The warranty, even for hardware, is only 30 days on the Dev phone.
I just compared Ensquared and SquareTrade. Same price for two-year plan (US$99). What I've learned so far:
Ensquared has theft/loss protection whereas SquareTrade does not.
Each covers three claims per contract.
Ensquared accepts claims on the 31st day after the application has been accepted.
The SquareTrade agreement states: "Damage to computer hardware, software and data caused by, including, but not limited to, viruses, application programs, network drivers, source code, object code or proprietary data, or any support, configuration, installation or reinstallation of any software or data." So, does this mean if I hard brick the phone, I get no replacement? I guess that's fair, but then again, I plan to hack/mod (software) this phone, so this raises a red flag for me.
The Ensquared TOS states, "Error or omission in design, programming, system configuration, faulty construction, or any original defect in any Covered Product, or recall by the manufacturer." Same comment regarding hard bricking.
So I guess the question is, does hard bricking a phone a hardware or software issue, and will it be covered? For everything else hardware related, either of these two should work.
I'll research both and get a feel for what people out there are saying about both and make a decision. I'll post my findings here if y'all are okay with that.
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I just compared Ensquared and SquareTrade. Same price for two-year plan (US$99). What I've learned so far:
Ensquared has theft/loss protection whereas SquareTrade does not.
Each covers three claims per contract.
Ensquared accepts claims on the 31st day after the application has been accepted.
The SquareTrade agreement states: "Damage to computer hardware, software and data caused by, including, but not limited to, viruses, application programs, network drivers, source code, object code or proprietary data, or any support, configuration, installation or reinstallation of any software or data." So, does this mean if I hard brick the phone, I get no replacement? I guess that's fair, but then again, I plan to hack/mod (software) this phone, so this raises a red flag for me.
The Ensquared TOS states, "Error or omission in design, programming, system configuration, faulty construction, or any original defect in any Covered Product, or recall by the manufacturer." Same comment regarding hard bricking.
So I guess the question is, does hard bricking a phone a hardware or software issue, and will it be covered? For everything else hardware related, either of these two should work.
I'll research both and get a feel for what people out there are saying about both and make a decision. I'll post my findings here if y'all are okay with that.
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I would guess that hard bricking is caused more of the time by failure to properly flash software or a bad software install and not so much by hardware failure? Makes sense that neither will cover any failure related to software. But if the failure is cause by hardware than it should be covered by either. And both cover accidental damage too.
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I would guess that hard bricking is caused more of the time by failure to properly flash software or a bad software install and not so much by hardware failure? Makes sense that neither will cover any failure related to software. But if the failure is cause by hardware than it should be covered by either. And both cover accidental damage too.
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Totally agree, it's a software thing. But from a warranty perspective each carrier states that they don't cover damage caused by software issues that, to me, look like modding/hacking/ROMing, etc. I think I'll call each one and ask specifically, just to be clear about it. Either way, both are cheaper than transferring my Asurion insurance from my Bionic to the S4.
My Phone; (AT&T HTC One M8 Unlocked, Rooted S-off ), TWRP 2.7.0.0 Recovery, Superuser GOO Manager installed. Flashed the Venom rom using teamwin app. Followed inst, plus youtube video. Did not work first time. Installed backup phone went back to normal, tried flashing again went fine rebooted once rebooted would not turn on, can not get into recovery. Phone powers up and say UNFORTUNATELY PHONE HAS STOPPED WORKING. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Is there no way to force this phone into bootloader mode?
Well I'm off to the Evil empire(AT&T) to get a new phone.
Phone still under warranty, getting one mailed to me with a return mailer to send this one back, should be here on Tuesday. A few minutes ago I saw the supersu app pop up asking to grant venom tweaks permission. I could not grant it because of the two error messages on the screen on top of it. (Unfortunately the phone has stopped, and Unfortunately blink feed has stopped). Has anyone seen any thing like this before?
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Phone still under warranty, getting one mailed to me with a return mailer to send this one back, should be here on Tuesday. A few minutes ago I saw the supersu app pop up asking to grant venom tweaks permission. I could not grant it because of the two error messages on the screen on top of it. (Unfortunately the phone has stopped, and Unfortunately blink feed has stopped). Has anyone seen any thing like this before?
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I'm sure your phone is fine. you are using an outdated twrp and probably messed up a partition. Unplug phone, hold vol up and power for exactly 10 seconds, let go of both, then hold vol down and power. This should take you to your boot loader. get new twrp img from official site.
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot erase cache
boot to twrp and reflash rom.
I had done what you suggested many times (read it from another post), the only difference was you said exactly 10 seconds the other post said 15 seconds. The HTC tech I talked to earlier this morning even told me to do that for 15-20 seconds which did not work. Your method worked like a charm on the first try. Thank you very much Sir.
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I had done what you suggested many times (read it from another post), the only difference was you said exactly 10 seconds the other post said 15 seconds. The HTC tech I talked to earlier this morning even told me to do that for 15-20 seconds which did not work. Your method worked like a charm on the first try. Thank you very much Sir.
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Np, if you hold longer, it actually turns the phone back on before you can hit "vol down" to get to boot loader. If you are ever just resetting, you can hold as long as you want till it resets
I'm happy you go it sorted out. But stop jumping the gun, and running for a warranty exchange when things do go quite right when modding the phone.
If the screen comes on, its unlikely that the phone beyond recovery. Its usually just a lock of knowledge on your part, and just a matter of research on XDA, or asking for help here. If you are going to be modding the phone, you are going to have to resolve yourself to being more patient. Things will occasionally not go right, that is just a fact of the game. The right response is to troubleshoot your way out, and not freak out.
In any case, claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of you modding the phone is immoral; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
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I'm happy you go it sorted out. But stop jumping the gun, and running for a warranty exchange when things do go quite right when modding the phone.
If the screen comes on, its unlikely that the phone beyond recovery. Its usually just a lock of knowledge on your part, and just a matter of research on XDA, or asking for help here. If you are going to be modding the phone, you are going to have to resolve yourself to being more patient. Things will occasionally not go right, that is just a fact of the game. The right response is to troubleshoot your way out, and not freak out.
In any case, claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of you modding the phone is immoral; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
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Please don't question my morality, you don't know me. I've dealt with AT&T(the evil empire) for 18 years, with them adding charges to my account, charging for items I never requested and they never sent, charging for additional minutes and data that were never used. I went to buy another phone ,just like I bought this one. The enormous amount of money they charge for these $80.00 phones is ridiculous. So please wait until you sit down and talk to me about all the things I endured with AT&T before making claims about my morality.
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Sir you've never sat at my table, nor I yours. My moral compass is always pointed due north. So don't question my morality....Please
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Please don't question my morality, you don't know me.
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You're right, I don't know you. But my statement, while phrased in the 2nd person tense, does not require any knowledge of you, and does not in any way need to be specific to you. It applies to everybody. If you want me to rephrase slightly, try this:
Claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of modding the phone is immoral and fraud; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
The personal details of your life are not relevant to the discussion, and add no value to it.
People often like to frame things in terms of "evil" faceless corporations that don't get hurt if you rip them off. Of you getting payback for so-called "wrongs" they have done to you. But in reality, the expense of fraudulent warranty claims doesn't get absorbed by AT&T, it trickles down to all of us, the customers. And in more ways than one. Not only would such behavior pass on additional monetary expenses to other honest paying customers, but also is the very reason why manufacturers and carriers are locking down bootloaders, and otherwise locking down the phones against modification (write protected partitions, etc.). If not for fruadulant warranty claims (do to botched phone modding), the manufacturers and carriers would let us mod to our hearts delight. Locked bootloaders and other obstacles would not exist, because why would they care? Its not the "evil empire" you are hurting, its all of us.
If you decide to mod the phone, you accept the risk of bricking it, and having to replace the phone on your own dime. Its that simple.
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You're right, I don't know you. But my statement, while phrased in the 2nd person tense, does not require any knowledge of you, and does not in any way need to be specific to you. It applies to everybody. If you want me to rephrase slightly, try this:
Claiming a warranty replacement for damage that was a result of modding the phone is immoral and fraud; and the very reason why these devices get locked down in the first place.
The personal details of your life are not relevant to the discussion, and add no value to it.
People often like to frame things in terms of "evil" faceless corporations that don't get hurt if you rip them off. Of you getting payback for so-called "wrongs" they have done to you. But in reality, the expense of fraudulent warranty claims doesn't get absorbed by AT&T, it trickles down to all of us, the customers. And in more ways than one. Not only would such behavior pass on additional monetary expenses to other honest paying customers, but also is the very reason why manufacturers and carriers are locking down bootloaders, and otherwise locking down the phones against modification (write protected partitions, etc.). If not for fruadulant warranty claims (do to botched phone modding), the manufacturers and carriers would let us mod to our hearts delight. Locked bootloaders and other obstacles would not exist, because why would they care? Its not the "evil empire" you are hurting, its all of us.
If you decide to mod the phone, you accept the risk of bricking it, and having to replace the phone on your own dime. Its that simple.
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I some what agree with you but not totally, as for as my back ground info now you do know a little about me. You must not know how warranties work if I had taken the warranty phone I would have to send them this one back. So I cancelled the order. This is not an AT&T phone this is my phone, I bought it, I can do what I please with it. In my earlier post I said I went to BUY another phone, not do a warranty claim I told them what I did. I did not try to deceive them, lie or anything(because of my Morality). If it's their phone I agree I should be liable, but it's my phone. It came with a warranty, so did the 2013 Mustang I purchased for my Grand Daughter, the engine failed, the warranty replaced the engine. I was allowed to keep the defective engine, it was MINE I wrote a check for the vehicle. Since I bought the phone they should have made provisions for me to unlock, root, unlock the sim, replace the rom, toss it in my lake, throw from the third floor of my home, and anything else I wanted to do to it, once they accepted my money this became my property. In closing, yes I don't care about big corporations, or the Government, but my morality is intact if it wasn't I don't think I would be here having this conversation with you. Sir, your lesson on morality is wasted on me you should be having this conversation with your children!
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You must not know how warranties work
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I know precisely how warranties work. You said the following, which to me means you were making a warranty claim due to the phone not booting, which was a result of you modding the phone.
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Phone still under warranty, getting one mailed to me with a return mailer to send this one back
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You did not use the word "buy" previously anywhere. Only the word "get" which is ambiguous at best. And how a purchase fits in with the above quote (getting a warranty exchange) is unclear.
And I know you go the phone working again, so presumably cancelled the warranty claim. I was more commenting on the intent to make a warranty claim.
I've said my part, no need to carry this discussion any further. And frankly the repeated mention of your "morality" is irrelevant. I'm just making a comment, which all are free to do on this forum. You can take it or leave it (obviously the latter). But saying I cannot comment (and to have this conversation "with my kids" instead) is not your right.
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I know precisely how warranties work. You said the following, which to me means you were making a warranty claim due to the phone not booting, which was a result of you modding the phone.
You did not use the word "buy" previously anywhere. Only the word "get" which is ambiguous at best. And how a purchase fits in with the above quote (getting a warranty exchange) is unclear.
And I know you go the phone working again, so presumably cancelled the warranty claim. I was more commenting on the intent to make a warranty claim.
I've said my part, no need to carry this discussion any further. And frankly the repeated mention of your "morality" is irrelevant. I'm just making a comment, which all are free to do on this forum. You can take it or leave it (obviously the latter). But saying I cannot comment (and to have this conversation "with my kids" instead) is not your right.
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You are right, I did say get a phone, the warranty info came after I got to the store. I buy what I want, and I understand my RIGHTS under the freedom of speech act. You said what you had to say, I just questioned your point about my morality. This is the last I will speak on this, I hope you do the same. Have a good day today and a better day tomorrow.