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Wondering if MS said anything about their first gen of wp7 are guaranteed to get mango update? I dont recall that upgrade from 6.1 to 6.5 was rolled out to all of their past devices. To give MS justice though, the update took a lot of time and there could be devices more than 1 years old.
Another thing, how come i notice in singapore, mozart is less cheaper compared to trophy.. Whats the upside of throphy compared to mozart?
every windows phoine 7 wil get mango
Trophy is a cheaper phone.
My wife has one, and I a Mozart - the only real difference is the camera and single mold case.
Otherwise, the Mozart is a little smaller - but is much more expensive in Australia (60% more or so).
I kinda like the trophy though..
andoridkiller said:
every windows phoine 7 wil get mango
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i haven't heard MS confirm this - i'm HOPING it's true but i haven't seen anything official. Have you?
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i haven't heard MS confirm this - i'm HOPING it's true but i haven't seen anything official. Have you?
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Yes, in MIX11 they have stated that. Some hardware options embedded in the new hardware chassis won't be available in the 1 GEN of WP7 like gyroscope, but MS also stated they will develop some kind of emulator for this to the current devices. It wont be as good as the hardware ones, but it will work.
All current devices will get Mando for sure.
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Yes, in MIX11 they have stated that.
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That's good to hear - i followed the MIX11 updates specifically looking for this information and didn't hear them say it - have you got a link?
i know they said about the gyro but i didn't hear anything where they specifically said that all current devices would DEFINATELY be getting mango.
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Trophy is a cheaper phone.
My wife has one, and I a Mozart - the only real difference is the camera and single mold case.
Otherwise, the Mozart is a little smaller - but is much more expensive in Australia (60% more or so).
I kinda like the trophy though..
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in hong kong windows 7 phones are droping prices like mad, it's because there are no chinese language for the main menu, and the price for the mozart 7, some shops are selling them more than the HD7.
I don't have any link right now, but its "common sense" that all current devices will have the updates, MS stated that even before they launched WP7...
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I don't have any link right now, but its "common sense" that all current devices will have the updates, MS stated that even before they launched WP7...
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i know it's 'common sense' - but that doesn't mean anything
Because they've bumped the release number up to 7.5 - this is technically NOT an update but a new version - historically for MS this means no upgrades and until i see or hear one of them say that "current devices will get this as an update" i'm not going to hold my breath.
The OP was looking for someone with DEFINITE PROOF - not just speculating.
at which point do we STOP expecting updates? wp8? WP8.5? wp9? wp10?
In Thailand, the price drop from over 630 USD to 230 USD within 3 months.
WTF HCT marketing.
Even the price are low but no one want to buy its, cuz they don't guarantee mango for this device.
What do you think?
I don't have an official link, i have read on lots of websites that the current devices will have Mango update, and i support this.
On MIX11, they even stated that since hardware gyroscope probably isn't available on current devices, the Mango update will have an emulation mode for these devices.
Also, several hardware specs were added or improved, but not removed.
Microsoft is in this for the long run and they wan't the OS to be successful. I'm sure they will provide future updates to current devices as long as it will be a good experience on current devices. Updates for all devices was also a big spec announced for WP and even if this could be a different version in number, i don't think that would change anything, this is not computers and Windows usually have a minimum 2 year between major versions.
Although this is considered "the next major version of Windows Phone" it is also being treated like an update, and traditionally MS releases the updates for free.
I'm not sure on Windows 8 thought, but i believe that will come at the end of 2012
EDIT: So now that Mango was officially presented by Microsoft and announced as free to all current devices and being available on fall, do you believe me?
I am waiting for my htc hd2 to get mango, so far DFT NODO rom is working perfect.
Every wp7 phone
It is said that "Every existing WP7 phone in the market will get the Mango Update" and the update is in this coming Fall.
MS is now making WP7 just like iPhone iOS where every WP7 phones will get the update just like how NoDo Updates is......for every WP7 phone.
i told you lot before. jsut listen and stop doubting. This is not andoroid (howver not saying android is bad, as its not as a previous user). But I have a feeling mango and the update after that and possible the one after that will be compatiable, until they focus on dual core phones and optimizing them. As whats the point of have a dual core phone if the software only uses on core
Di Mariachi said:
In Thailand, the price drop from over 630 USD to 230 USD within 3 months.
WTF HCT marketing.
Even the price are low but no one want to buy its, cuz they don't guarantee mango for this device.
What do you think?
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this is a good one.
Necroman_AI said:
I don't have an official link, i have read on lots of websites that the current devices will have Mango update, and i support this.
Microsoft is in this for the long run and they wan't the OS to be successful.
EDIT: So now that Mango was officially presented by Microsoft and announced as free to all current devices and being available on fall, do you believe me?
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are you working with M/s?
ecez said:
...are you working with M/s?
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No! Why do you ask?
WP7 devices will get the Mango update . i read this some where but should happen ...
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No! Why do you ask?
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juz ask, cos from the way U wrote made me wonder U worked in M/S.
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WP7 devices will get the Mango update . i read this some where but should happen ...
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yeah, shld happen . . . . .
still waiting, . . . . .
andoridkiller said:
every windows phoine 7 wil get mango
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i hope thats right
That have been confirmed several times now: ALL current WP7 devices will get the Mango update
I'm not looking for a time frame or anything since I know those are hard to make, but I'm just wondering if anyone has a good idea on whether or not it is looking strong for the Atrix to get the bootloader bypassed(or whatever is needed for custom ROMs).
I'm asking because my contract ends next week and I'm looking to get a new phone and I'm liking the Atrix a lot since it has a dual core processor and everything, but the lack of custom ROMs is making me think again about getting it and pushing me towards looking for other phones.
I know there is currently work being done on it, but does anyone think it's highly probable that the boot loader will get cracked and allow us to install custom ROMs? Or is the result still sketchy and should I keep looking at other phones to get instead?
Honestly, the Atrix is a beast of a phone anyway. And an Android phone without a custom ROM is still the best phone on the market, especially if it's got a dual core bad boy under the hood.
On one hand, many previous Motorola phones with locked bootloaders remain locked and unbypassed to this day...HOWEVER, some have been bypassed or something similar. And considering the nature of this phone being one of Moto's flagship devices, there might be incentive to possibly unlock it themselves (doubtful, however...)
Honestly, I don't really think anyone can for certain what might happen. But if your contract up in a week, developments could happen in that time frame. There's a small chance GingerBread might come sooner than expected, which, locked bootloader or not, that'd be awesome. The sad thing is, it doesn't seem there are many more nice ATT phones on the horizon anyway, even with open bootloaders. Most of the good ones would probably be out by your next upgrade anyway!
I know I didn't have any solid answers, but I hope it helps in your decision making process! Sorry if it got you no where though!
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Honestly, the Atrix is a beast of a phone anyway. And an Android phone without a custom ROM is still the best phone on the market, especially if it's got a dual core bad boy under the hood.
On one hand, many previous Motorola phones with locked bootloaders remain locked and unbypassed to this day...HOWEVER, some have been bypassed or something similar. And considering the nature of this phone being one of Moto's flagship devices, there might be incentive to possibly unlock it themselves (doubtful, however...)
Honestly, I don't really think anyone can for certain what might happen. But if your contract up in a week, developments could happen in that time frame. There's a small chance GingerBread might come sooner than expected, which, locked bootloader or not, that'd be awesome. The sad thing is, it doesn't seem there are many more nice ATT phones on the horizon anyway, even with open bootloaders. Most of the good ones would probably be out by your next upgrade anyway!
I know I didn't have any solid answers, but I hope it helps in your decision making process! Sorry if it got you no where though!
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Thanks for your input! I'm currently trying to decide between the Atrix and the Infuse 4G. I would definitely get the Galaxy S 2 if that came out in time, but I'm impatient and just can't wait any longer than I have to, so I have to pick something that's already out.
I really want the Atrix because of it's dual core, but it's locked bootloader scares me. On the other hand I really want the Infuse because it doesn't have a locked bootloader and seems like it's the next best phone, but it only has a single core processor.
What exactly would I be missing out on if I can't use any locked bootloaders? All I know about them really is that they are supposed to make phones faster as well as give you Android upgrades faster than officially. Is there anything else?
I'm pretty sure 2.3 is supposed to be coming out to the Atrix officially anyways, so I'm not TOO worried about that, but would the roms that are already available that do things like remove Motoblur and whatnot increase it's speed enough to make up for the loss of increased speed from ROMs?
The atrix is like the PS3 when it first came out. Way ahead of its time in terms of technology and power. Ive stated this before somewhere on this forum, but IMO this beast of a phone is ahead of itself, The current operating system doesn't even fully harness the power under the hood. I'm excited to see how far this phone can be pushed! Unlocked bootloader or not. Ya its fun to play with roms and all and tweak the phone, but even then those phones still look up to the atrix.
You can still Dress up user interface just not the interface itself. Which is most cases, most users of roms, flash them primarily for the look and feel of interaction with the device. Don't get me wrong, a lot of users flash these roms because of the android version and the upgrades it brings with it before the official release for their phone if at all. In the end I believe the atrix will be sticking around for a while and continue to make techy geeks like me genuinely say wow this thing is bad a**.
You don't have to worry about speed with the atrix. Its fast already. Ya stock motoblur is garbage, but thanks to some awesome DEVs we have Pseudo-Roms that make the atrix Fluid as well as fast. The main Gripe about this phone is the fact that it doesn't have GingerBread yet. I think the wait will be well worth it in the end.
Hi all
Searching but cannot locate an answer.
Can the blackberry Playbook be rooted and a Android with recovery be installed? .
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Heeter
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The Playbook has been rooted and Dingleberry was just released this afternoon. Shouldn't be long until we have an Android port.
TekMason
Awesome,
Thanks for the update.
Looks like I am going out to pick one up then.
Was only going to get one if I can get Android put in.
Thanks
Heeter
so will there be any port for playbook?
I can get hold of a Playbook in great condition for cheap, so im hoping to hell and back that I can put a fully functional Android on it within the next months!
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I can get hold of a Playbook in great condition for cheap, so im hoping to hell and back that I can put a fully functional Android on it within the next months!
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were you able to get a playbook?
nievz said:
were you able to get a playbook?
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Yup, and it's not bad! Will be much better though when the new 2.0 OS update is released.
Any updates on android for playbook
Please let me know
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Yup, and it's not bad! Will be much better though when the new 2.0 OS update is released.
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Swapped the Playbook for a galaxy tab 7.7, its like night and day.
I was thinking of possibly getting the Playbook. What do you suggest? The price dropped recently and the difference between the Playbook and anything close to its hardware is steep. But is it worth it?
playbook
Hiya, just wondering if an android rom has been released yet?
any news?
I don't think you are going to see this go anywhere. Considering you can buy real Android tablets with similar specs for similar price, this is dead in the water.
The Playbook itself is just about dead in the water.
Given the recent RIM news, I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar fire sale on Playbooks as we did with the HP Touchpad. Honestly, something like this at the right price if it could run Android would be great for kids. Been looking for something for my 6 and 8 year old without breaking the bank that they can play around with during vacation road trips, etc.
Hopefully soon there will be a full port of ICS on the playbook
It is rather unlikely there will ever be a full Android port for the PB. Or possibly even another root. RIM are of course known for their secure devices. It isn't likely someone will crack the bootloader on the device to allow installing a different OS. Even rooting the current OS has become rather difficult now (to the point no one can manage it). Now almost all processes on the PB run as regular user, rather than root. The only one that's root is the web server, which only has something like 6 functions, none of them exploitable. It is renowned as the industry's most secure web server, hence it's use by RIM, seeing as security is one of their primary concerns.
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I was thinking of possibly getting the Playbook. What do you suggest? The price dropped recently and the difference between the Playbook and anything close to its hardware is steep. But is it worth it?
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only few developers interested working on this blackberry playbook - android port,
you should buy galaxy tab 2 7.0 instead and cost around $390
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only few developers interested working on this blackberry playbook - android port,
you should buy galaxy tab 2 7.0 instead and cost around $390
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given that RIM has provided next to no information about how the device itself has been locked down beyond belief (improbable to breach bootloader security to flash CWM then flash rom) I doubt that there will be any luck with this working, I'll get in contact with RIM on monday and discuss unlocking the bootloader as well as the possibility to get source for PBOS2 (doubt it though as they will probably want me to sign legal wavers and agreements against using the code to "alter their product in such a way that it could be used to damage or modify the device")
I also hope PB can run Android OS...
Although there are a lot of tablet in Market, but I still like PB....
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I also hope PB can run Android OS...
Although there are a lot of tablet in Market, but I still like PB....
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well and truly a dead future for that device, I called RIM they are unwilling to provide me with the required stuff to open the device to booting android
looks like moto has pushed back ICS to Q4 for the Photon
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I saw the tweet too. MAJOR disappointment, and it looks like I will be turning to Rooting for my ICS fix. (I was prepared to wait it out, but no longer.)
I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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So funny!
that sucks! but not like it matters to me. how many ics roms do we already have that work almost perfect.
Moto Sucks !
ICS is likely a no-go now since next Android version will be out before the end of this year along with brand new devices. Since Sprint has only one Moto phone, who will really care about Photon !
Typical tactics by the vendors and carriers to keep their devices as close to the 18 months mark as possible. Apparently, carriers are expected to update the software within first 18 months of release only. By end of the Q4, it will be almost 18 months.
Funny that officially, the only Moto device that got ICE is the Xoom tablet ... and Google own Motorola !
Time to seriously think about Windows 8 Phone. It is also shaping up to be an interesting OS.
Thank you so much motorola for announcing this AFTER getting the 2.3.5 update, so not only are you not giving me ICS when you said, I can't get it myself either. I liked this phone, but this really pushed me over the edge. HTC or Samsung next.
Honestly it doesn't matter to much. At least now they are in development, so hopefully we can get a soak test. Then we can get the drivers we need.
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Are you kidding me? When I went to get a new phone this spring, getting ICS was a pr-requisite for any phone I looked at. If it doesn't end up with an ICS update, I'm gonna be pissed.
Dont know why anyone didnt see this coming. I said this would happen when they announced ICS and got flamed. Motorola doesnt give two ****s about its customers and they show it every day. Once I get rid of this piece of crap Photon, I will NEVER own another Motorola product.
I was excited to get this phone and its been a complete disappointment.
#screwyoumotorola
Well, that's the problem with Android, isn't it? That it's a complete train wreck. Microsoft and Apple are pissed at Google because Google is giving away their OS while they sell theirs, which allows OEMs to build monster Android phones (i.e. they put the OS cost toward better hardware).
It isn't in the OEMs' best interest to update their phones. Not at all. We are not Motorola's customers. US Cellular is. Sprint is. And the other carriers who buy Motorola phones (and tablets, perhaps). As Motorola's customer, Sprint (to use one) is not best served by last years' phones being updated to the next OS. No, Sprint makes more money if your next device has ICS. That results in a second sale for them. They already sell the phone to you at a serious loss, with a contract. So, why should they support the phone beyond the life of the contract? You buy a Gingerbread phone at a great price. They are hoping you will buy an ICS phone at a great price in two years.
To the carriers, Android smartphones are evolving too fast. Updates are coming out faster than they are comfortable with. They like the iPhone model better -- fewer than half a dozen devices, all the same basic hardware, easy update. Same with WP7/WP8 to come, so few devices. And of course higher costs = higher profits.
Meanwhile, the developers at XDA and the like help you extend your phone's life. I have ICS on my Electrify (Photon) and it's awesome. When I got it, everybody was saying it couldn't be unlocked. But somebody figured it out. Now I'm running CM9 (ICS) and it's given my phone a completely unnecessary kick in the pants. I didn't think there was much room for improvement (and maybe a CM7-based, Blur-free ROM would have been a good choice, as well) but it's really lit a fire under my phone's, eh, kickstand.
I understand that people want to jump to HTC or Samsung. I say go ahead. It's not in the best interests of either of those companies to get you ICS sooner than later, either. Motorola makes the best radio out of any of the three. If you want upgrades sooner, I think your absolute best bet is to get a Nexus straight from Google, but those may be GSM-only? Even if one is CDMA, I doubt US Cellular will activate it for me. So that will not work in my case, I don't think. I think the best thing for everybody is a place where developers can come together and work on custom ROMs for these phones and be thanked or even donated to by those who can... hmm... a place kind of like this one.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Lame!
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To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..
but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.
Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
me too
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
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I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.
However I would never want an "I" product.
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the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.
Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
Lets not kid ourselves on the 7.8 update folks, as its not going to offer anything more than resizing the tiles.
Now that we have been abandoned, we should demand that HTC/microsoft release the source and unlock the bootloaders so we can flash an OS of our choosing.
I believe that ICS would run smoothly on our radars. If it could be done with HD2, it can be done with the radar.
What do you folks think?
Does ics run smoothly on hd2?
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From what I get on their site, they have several ics roms that are working well. Having a choice is always nice.
I support the OP !!
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I support the OP !!
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i'm sorry for the offtopic, but what that |OP| stands for?
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i'm sorry for the offtopic, but what that |OP| stands for?
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OP means 'original poster' So here it means i support this guy "ibnturab" as he is the OP
Well, we already have a EOL device at the 6 month Mark, give or take. Microsoft said they didn't want fragmentation like android, but here it comes already. My radar is put back in the box and I'm back to android for functionality. My radar is the LAST WP product I will buy. Look at the poor bastards who jumped on the Lumia 900 just a couple months ago. I'm sorry but Microsoft had to know that all these new devices wouldn't run WP8, but they decided to snow ball their consumers instead of being open and honest.
Now Nokia has all these phones they built that I'm sure people won't buy now with the info just released. Nokia is already hanging by a thread.
End of rant....
My time is now done in Windows phone forums. Good luck guys.
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@awrnsmn, I totally agree with you. I'm seriously considering selling it. Its shame thought, I love the hardware, and the battery is the best I've seen yet in a smartphone. And the dedicated camera button is superb. But, in the end, we all want functionality so I'm likely gonna list this on ebay.
I'm considering the HTC amaze but I've read mixed things on battery. I'm also looking into the ATrix 2.
android on htc radar
I guess we have to wait and see if there is anybody clever enough to get ics running on a radar. I guess i will give it a try when its there. Not because i need it, but because it can
I know I said my time was done here but.....well anyway. What bothers me the most about all of this is Microsoft was really on to something with WP, it could of been a fantastic os to rival the big 2, but with the decisions their making they're killing already......sad because I USED to like where they were going with it.
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IMHO, after my contact is up I will be switching over to Android. *The next Nexus preferably* unless MS could come with something that will make me want to get WP8. Jelly Bean and Operation Butter literally kill my love for WP7.5. :crying: