Guys,
I want you to debate on my strange confusion...
I'm currently on Stock 2.3.4 198_7 and using Mof's v2.
My question is we don't have any SBF of 2.3.5 if we messed up our phone... So we have to use 2.3.4 as base to do anything.. :silly:
If we want to use 2.3.5, there is only OTA!!!!! And OTA only works with 198_6
So in case in future if Moto releases ICS & JB (I know I'm too optimistic) do we need a base of 2.3.5 or we will be able to update it from 198_6/7 base?
I thinks we should prepare ourselves for all the situations.
1. We must have 198_6 Stock for future use
2. We must have 2.3.5 OTA for future use
or
Will Moto release SBF? But again they might need base as 2.3.5!!! Who knows?
What you people say..
matriX1218 said:
Guys,
I want you to debate on my strange confusion...
I'm currently on Stock 2.3.4 198_7 and using Mof's v2.
My question is we don't have any SBF of 2.3.5 if we messed up our phone... So we have to use 2.3.4 as base to do anything.. :silly:
If we want to use 2.3.5, there is only OTA!!!!! And OTA only works with 198_6
So in case in future if Moto releases ICS & JB (I know I'm too optimistic) do we need a base of 2.3.5 or we will be able to update it from 198_6/7 base?
I thinks we should prepare ourselves for all the situations.
1. We must have 198_6 Stock for future use
2. We must have 2.3.5 OTA for future use
or
Will Moto release SBF? But again they might need base as 2.3.5!!! Who knows?
What you people say..
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i think the developers here will build Roms on the official ICS release and we can install them with unlocked boot loader. So it im guessing its better if we stuck with the unlocked boot loader versions for now
I think ICS update won't be the same OTA update with patches, we had until now. There could be whole flashable partitions. I wonder what happened to webtop partition in RAZR after ICS update, for example.
rituel said:
i think the developers here will build Roms on the official ICS release and we can install them with unlocked boot loader. So it im guessing its better if we stuck with the unlocked boot loader versions for now
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You might be right but What if we stuck unlocked.. means no 4G.. Then?
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I think ICS update won't be the same OTA update with patches, we had until now. There could be whole flashable partitions. I wonder what happened to webtop partition in RAZR after ICS update, for example.
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Lets pray, but If its a flashable SBF then again it won't be unlockable like 2.3.5... :silly: Means no customization...
So Either we will be on 2.3.4 or Stucked with ICS..
peetr_ said:
I think ICS update won't be the same OTA update with patches, we had until now. There could be whole flashable partitions. I wonder what happened to webtop partition in RAZR after ICS update, for example.
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After a ton of digging, screaming at Moto and chatting with OMAP Moto owners, it looks like the /osh (Webtop) partition is simply abandoned. In other words, you don't get the storage space back and the phone treats it as if it never existed.
(You can imagine how diehard Webtop users have responded to this and the dock+webtop3.0 issues)
Don't lose hope though. It may not be a perfect solution but there's is word of something in the works.
Glad, you're back, Loki. Thanks for answering. I take anything Motorola comes with in ICS, because when it comes, I will be buying new Moto phone probably. This one is starting to be slow for me.
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Hey people I really need someone here to just point me in the right direction.I've read up but its pretty confusin because noone talks about the official OTA much.
I upgraded from .83 to the 2.3.4 OTA
My bootloader is unlocked too EDIt it's Locked
I have root though.
I've read that if I went straight to OTA I'm screwed as far as using RSD
CAn I use RSD to flash a 2.3.4 ROM or stock sbf?
Will it brick my phone?
I want to just flash something other than this OTA which doesnt let me do really anything can someone at least post a link that can help me with how to flash over the OTA? please any help will be appreciated!!! thanks
sk8trix said:
Hey people I really need someone here to just point me in the right direction.I've read up but its pretty confusin because noone talks about the official OTA much.
I upgraded from .83 to the 2.3.4 OTA
My bootloader is unlocked too
I have root though.
I've read that if I went straight to OTA I'm screwed as far as using RSD
CAn I use RSD to flash a 2.3.4 ROM or stock sbf?
Will it brick my phone?
I want to just flash something other than this OTA which doesnt let me do really anything can someone at least post a link that can help me with how to flash over the OTA? please any help will be appreciated!!! thanks
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Most likely yes. Since you already have the pudding bootloader, it'll be fine. But not every rom works the same, so you gonna take extra care especially when you want to downgrade to lower versions.
I have the at&t OTA that was released a few days ago so you're saying I can use RSD to flash the 2.3.4 leak build?
EDIt my bootloader is Locked im sorry root is the onlything I have I apologize
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Most likely yes. Since you already have the pudding bootloader, it'll be fine. But not every rom works the same, so you gonna take extra care especially when you want to downgrade to lower versions.
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Well isn't what unlocked bootloaders and recovery are for? Should be able to flash your 2.3.4 alien rom and boot/shutdown and flash the faux kernel. That's if your AT&T.
Besides I hear RSD after bootloader and it's update is a big no no. Especially since many bricks posts "hhhhhheeeeelllllpppp meeee im bricked!?"
Stock OTA 2.3.4/4.5.91 AT&T with just ROOT right NO bootloader UNLOCK?
You just can RSD same 2.3.4/4.5.91 sbf so far YOU CAN NOT RSD ANY MOTO DOWNGRADE FOR EXAMPLE 1.26 1.57 1.83
If you decide to unlock your bootloader you can flash by CWM or moto-fastboot almost anything from dev for ATRIX
so the deal here is to unlock the bootloader
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I have the at&t OTA that was released a few days ago so you're saying I can use RSD to flash the 2.3.4 leak build?
EDIt my bootloader is Locked im sorry root is the onlything I have I apologize
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shuld I follow this guide?
http://forums.androidcentral.com/atrix-rooting-roms-hacks/105996-guide-ulbl-root-stock-atrix-ota-gb.html
ok, so this might sound N00bish, but i wanted to know when the Atrix ICS update rolls out, will i be able to update OTA with an unlocked bootloader?
Nobody knows the answers to your questions. Motorola is keeping this under tight wraps, for all we know know, we may be done with at gb, and the only way to get ics is with unofficial roms.
I am only speculating at this point, but I would assume having an unlocked boot loader should have no effect on the update, but if u can install a custom rom , why bother with the bloat ware?
cannuks76 said:
ok, so this might sound N00bish, but i wanted to know when the Atrix ICS update rolls out, will i be able to update OTA with an unlocked bootloader?
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If you are anything but stock, i.e. rooted, frozen/deleted any Blur apps, etc., you won't be able to OTA until you are back to stock again. As for the unlocked bootloader, no idea if that will stop you.
Motorola has "officially" added the Atrix to the ICS update list:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Just an FYI, I agree that staying with a custom ROM is the way to go.
caster62003 said:
Nobody knows the answers to your questions. Motorola is keeping this under tight wraps, for all we know know, we may be done with at gb, and the only way to get ics is with unofficial roms.
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Motorola has "officially" added the Atrix to the ICS update list:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Just an FYI, I agree that staying with a custom ROM is the way to go.
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My mom said Santa Claus was real too......
Just flash CM9 now or wait until Neutrino CM9 comes out and you'll have ICS and no junk/bloat with it.
^^^ Agreed and I'm sure moto-ics won't be that great anyhow.
#Sent from my God given Atrix 4G
thanks everyone for the answers, i think ill stick to CM9 and plus the backup of the stock ROM is almost 4 months old lol (I.E lots of apps missing if they do release the official update, at that point there will be a CM11 coming out with Jelly Bean
phreshy said:
^^^ Agreed and I'm sure moto-ics won't be that great anyhow.
#Sent from my God given Atrix 4G
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Most people know that Moto-ICS wont be that great...what we are looking forward are the official ICS Tegra 2 drivers for our device, so we can actually have a fully working and stable CM9 rom.
So I finally rooted my Electrify(photon), I have insurance and **** and i've taken my phone scuba diving so I really dont care if I brick it at this point(just a reason for me to get a new phone).
Basically my question is, How can i go about getting an aftermarket ICS on it? I can use cynagon right? Someone link me please...? Can I use this? If so, What exactly is unlocking the bootloader?
Im still new at all the terminology, it's been forever since i've been in the Android dev scene....
Thanks a ton XDA!
-Chris
To flash CM9, or any unlocked ROM you need to install a custom recovery, usually clockworkmod. Idr about the electrify, but for the photon you need to flash the pudding unlocked file and run a few CMD lines in order to unlock the bootloader(kills 4g btw) and then you can install a custom recovery and be ready to flash unlocked ROMS. (same general process for electrifiy but iirc different files)IF you are on Android 2.3.5 your SOL.. For the time being atleast as you can't unlock its bootloader. QBKing has a few videos about the Photon on how to unlock, install CWM, and flash ROMS. There REALLY useful for beginners and people who need to be refreshed on what exactly to do. Don't quote me on the exact steps as I have a Photon and never looked too in depth about the electrify, wait for someone else to chime in to verify or search around.
You were a lot of help so far, and yes I am running stock 2.3.5...I installed cwm, but I have yet to unlock the boot loader, and as you stated, I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon. But what exactly does unlocking the bootloader do...?
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My understanding is this...
Photon and Electrify 2.3.4 can unlock the bootloader.
Photon 2.3.5 can run something called bootstrap. (There is no legit Photon 2.3.5 from Sprint, but some bleeding-edge MoPho's have flashed 2.3.5 anyway and found themselves in a world of pain.)
Electrify 2.3.5 can do neither. I asked about it here and as of now 143 people have looked at it but haven't replied... Then again, it's the weekend, but I also asked in a topic about the bootstrap a week ago, and nobody there knew either.
So I think with Electrify 2.3.5 rooting is all you can do.
And that's fine, Electrify is beast anyway.
We're supposed to get official ICS in Q2 2012 (or was it Q3?). I don't know fiscal quarters, but Q1 starts in Spring, I think, so I guess summer or late summer?
I don't care about ICS and I don't see why I should. I change launchers weekly and I'm always rotating software on my phone. I'm more interested in getting the bootloader unlocked, but I don't think Motorola has any plans for that.
While it's true you can't unlock the bootloader on 2.3.5 yet, that means that you can't flash kernels and some roms. There are some that work with a locked bootloader. Loki has an Imperium version. Rocko has some versions for locked phones. And there is this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1575259 from loki. It will strip the bloat and blur from your phone, and give it some tweaks. This with the launcher of your choice makes for a great phone.
Exactly what post above said. I'll just add on saying that without an unlocked bootloader there is no way to get ICS. Use locked roms and try different launchers and you can still have a sweet phone until official ics or we unlock 2.3.5
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What is blur and bloat?? And what ROM is best..? As far as locked boot loaders go...
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Crispy, Blur is Motorola's enhancement suite for Android. It contains Motorola Home, and all the Motorola apps like the gallery, music player, and widgets. And the stupid lock screen. (I hate Motorola's lock screen. A lot.) HTC's is called Sense and Samsung's is called TouchWiz. They all have one. Very few Android phones are straight-up Android.
Bloat is anything on top of AOSP (Android Open Source Project) and the Google apps. This includes Blur/Sense/TouchWiz, technically, though most don't consider those bloat. If you have US Cellular, City ID is the epitome of bloat. It doesn't work as advertised, it's always there, and it will nag you to pay for it sometimes. Bloat on US Cellular phones also includes Tone Room Deluxe, Your Navigator Deluxe, My Contacts Backup, and the QuickOffice demo. Sprint has a whole other set of bloat apps.
Bricky -- So I don't need bootstrap? Or I do?
Crispy again: On your home screen, hit Menu, Settings, and then About Phone. Near the bottom look for "Android version". If it says 2.3.4 below, you can unlock your bootloader. If it says 2.3.5, you cannot.
I know ha, and I'm on 2.3.5 just like youuu:/ but it appears that there are like someee rom's that can be used without unlocking the bootloader...
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Yes you need bootstrap. Root your phone, install bootstrap, make nandroid backup in bootstrap , install rom = profit
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bricky23 said:
Yes you need bootstrap. Root your phone, install bootstrap, make nandroid backup in bootstrap , install rom = profit
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You need an UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER to install a ROM my friend....There are a few decent ROM's that dont require an UL loader, but to get a really nice ROM an unlocked bootloader appears to be greatly needed. I really wish Moto wasn't such a giant douche.
TheCrispytoast said:
You were a lot of help so far, and yes I am running stock 2.3.5...I installed cwm, but I have yet to unlock the boot loader, and as you stated, I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon. But what exactly does unlocking the bootloader do...?
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You have cwm installed on a 2.3.5 Electrify with a locked bl??
phince1 said:
You have cwm installed on a 2.3.5 Electrify with a locked bl??
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Im sure he's meaning bootstrap in that post.. you can't install custom recovery while locked..
w0lf215 said:
Im sure he's meaning bootstrap in that post.. you can't install custom recovery while locked..
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Yes, I ment bootstrap.
Also, how does nandroid backups work? Does it backup EVERYTHING? whats the difference in outcome with Titanium backup VS recovery nandroid backups...?
i really want ics on my electrify.. but i ve a electgrify 2.3.5 with locked bootloader..
is it possible to do it?
I run AOKP build 38 on my mopho, it's a little buggy. My advice is to run one of the slimmed down stock ROMS mentioned previously. Wait for the official build, then there will be a bunch of devs making perfectly tuned apps.
Universal DeBlur-DeBloat Live ROM Conversion is the only ROM that requires root ONLY. It was written to help those that can't even run bootstrap. Think of it as Imperium Initiative without the theme change and custom kernel.
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I run AOKP build 38 on my mopho, it's a little buggy. My advice is to run one of the slimmed down stock ROMS mentioned previously. Wait for the official build, then there will be a bunch of devs making perfectly tuned apps.
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ICS is official announcied from motorola to moto electrify?
No, only Photon.
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No, only Photon.
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it s a bad notice :S
developers are working to unlock the BL of lectrify
My info-
on ATT
Unlocked
Rooted
4.5.91
Android Version 2.3.4
Alien #4
ROM Manager v5.0.0.7
Should I install the "critical update" from Motorola? I just started to see the notices.
Will it cause issues with my current setup?
Thanks,
Sean
MagSea said:
My info-
on ATT
Unlocked
Rooted
4.5.91
Android Version 2.3.4
Alien #4
ROM Manager v5.0.0.7
Should I install the "critical update" from Motorola? I just started to see the notices.
Will it cause issues with my current setup?
Thanks,
Sean
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wat
There's an update?
Since you're on Alien/rooted/unlocked BL I would recommend against taking any OTA update. It would most likely fail anyway.
EDIT- I just noticed you're on 4.5.91, you must be seeing the notifications for the 4.5.141 update. You had me all excited that there was some other update out.
Thanks Stewart- poor reading comprehension on my part.
That answers it.
No!
S Do not update, there are multiple posts of people bricking their phone attempting to update, if you continually get requests to update you can freeze updater with titanium backup. If you want to update with newer firmware I would suggest taking a look at the many newer gb roms or even a move to cm7 if you really want something a bit different, as far as I am aware there aren't going to be any more updates to Alien.
I'm on a stock 4.5.141 myself, with a few enhancements. I had an unlocked bootloader on 4.5.91, updated using the 4.5.141 SBF, and could re-unlock the bootloader. Then CWM and start flashing zips (like root).
I'm still waiting with bated breath for an ICS leak.
MagSea said:
My info-
on ATT
Unlocked
Rooted
4.5.91
Android Version 2.3.4
Alien #4
ROM Manager v5.0.0.7
Should I install the "critical update" from Motorola? I just started to see the notices.
Will it cause issues with my current setup?
Thanks,
Sean
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I would flash your current version sbf through rsd lite then OTA update your phone then unlock it again.
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Soldier-2Point0 said:
I would flash your current version sbf through rsd lite then OTA update your phone then unlock it again.
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Dont do this. You're unlocked, treat RSD as if it doesnt exist. If I were you, I'd try to find either a .141 fruitcake (CWM flashable versions of RSD files) or switch to a .141 based rom if you want to stick with blur.
Jotokun said:
Dont do this. You're unlocked, treat RSD as if it doesnt exist. If I were you, I'd try to find either a .141 fruitcake (CWM flashable versions of RSD files) or switch to a .141 based rom if you want to stick with blur.
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I have done what I said I would and it did not brick my device. There is a risk if you flash the wrong sbf or downgrade.
Soldier-2Point0 said:
I have done what I said I would and it did not brick my device. There is a risk if you flash the wrong sbf or downgrade.
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Most don't reccomend this however as too many possible things can go wrong. Also is alot more work to fix if something goes wrong. A flashable fruitcake or rom is more simple to do in the first place and if something does go wrong is easier to fix. Also the roms available kick butt over the stock rom.
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... Also the roms available kick butt over the stock rom.
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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I got a used Motorola Photon that has Android 2.3.5 (build 254_12) and it has an unlocked bootloader. After going through numerous posts in XDA I came to know that 2.3.5 doesn't support bootloader unlocking. I asked the guy I bought it from and he said that initially it had MoPho 2.3.4 - he unlocked it, upgraded it to CM10 JB rom and then downgraded it back to 2.3.5 (as JB was unstable). I confirmed my MoPho has an unlocked bootloader from here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1650520 ). It's also rooted.
So I just wanted to know, are there any risks in installing a custom kernel/rom since my MoPho's OS ver is 2.3.5 ? Are there any internal conflicts that might occur since my OS version/build is different - one that doesn't allow unlocking of bootloader and root access?
No there aren't any major risks. Just make sure the kernel corresponds to the system you are using. For instance, if your using cm7 and want to overclock, make sure to use a kernel built for it.
Most ROMs are flashed with the kernel it needs to boot. Version 2.3.5 could be thought of as just another ROM. To flash something different, make a backup with your recovery then wipe and install the ROM of your choice.
Just be sure to us common sense and not to accept any ota update because it could lock your bootloader and brick your phone. Be sure to look at the stickies for a ton more information
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mystaku said:
I got a used Motorola Photon that has Android 2.3.5 (build 254_12) and it has an unlocked bootloader. After going through numerous posts in XDA I came to know that 2.3.5 doesn't support bootloader unlocking. I asked the guy I bought it from and he said that initially it had MoPho 2.3.4 - he unlocked it, upgraded it to CM10 JB rom and then downgraded it back to 2.3.5 (as JB was unstable). I confirmed my MoPho has an unlocked bootloader from here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1650520 ). It's also rooted.
So I just wanted to know, are there any risks in installing a custom kernel/rom since my MoPho's OS ver is 2.3.5 ? Are there any internal conflicts that might occur since my OS version/build is different - one that doesn't allow unlocking of bootloader and root access?
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do as you please no risks with anything really. only phones that took the 2.3.5 OTA update are locked. or new factory restored ones. the previous user put the 2.3.5 update on their in a safe manor that doesn't lock the phone. :silly:
na7q said:
do as you please no risks with anything really. only phones that took the 2.3.5 OTA update are locked. or new factory restored ones. the previous user put the 2.3.5 update on their in a safe manor that doesn't lock the phone. :silly:
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I've the 254_12 build. And (I think, I'm not sure) the OTA update is probably the only way to update your system to 254_12.
What I'm not able to understand is how he could have downgraded from a CM10 JB rom to 2.3.5(254_12) without locking the bootloader. Is there anyway to do so?
All the root/unlock guides in XDA and other forums warn us, before proceeding to unlock, to ensure that our MoPho has 2.3.5 (198_7)or below to unlock/root. Shouldn't I be worried about it?
Here's a screenshot of my system specs.
No. You're unlocked. That's just your system build information. It will change when you flash a different ROM.
The ota update is the only way to update your stock and locked phone without any sort of modification. Since you're unlocked and rooted you shouldn't have an issue flashing a custom recovery and ROM
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I've the 254_12 build. And (I think, I'm not sure) the OTA update is probably the only way to update your system to 254_12.
What I'm not able to understand is how he could have downgraded from a CM10 JB rom to 2.3.5(254_12) without locking the bootloader. Is there anyway to do so?
All the root/unlock guides in XDA and other forums warn us, before proceeding to unlock, to ensure that our MoPho has 2.3.5 (198_7)or below to unlock/root. Shouldn't I be worried about it?
Here's a screenshot of my system specs.
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My friend, as I mentioned, the previous user had downgraded or "upgraded" the stock firmware in a SAFE manner that does NOT lock the bootloader. It's done the same way custom ROMs work. It just another ROM basically. Pretty simple. Don't take everything so literal in terms of 2.3.5 only OTA updated or factory restored phones are locked. Which you don't have
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na7q said:
My friend, as I mentioned, the previous user had downgraded or "upgraded" the stock firmware in a SAFE manner that does NOT lock the bootloader. It's done the same way custom ROMs work. It just another ROM basically. Pretty simple. Don't take everything so literal in terms of 2.3.5 only OTA updated or factory restored phones are locked. Which you don't have
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Thank you, it's clear to me now
mystaku said:
Thank you, it's clear to me now
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Great! I hope you have fun trying out ROMs!! It's always a blast!
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