Thanks go to Urban Strata for helping clarify it's purpose, and to SteelH, il duce, -viperboy- and everybody else whose been helping look in to this.
Security issues are still always of interest, but if those are patched all that is left is for someone to remove any extraneous code here.
The APKs for it are:
HtcOMADM_SPCS.apk
HtcOMADM_SettingsPlugin_SPCS.apk - looks harmless (thanks SteelH)
HtcOMADM_Tool_SPCS.apk - has some questionable content
I apologize if we jumped the gun blaming htc for this, but with the reputation data mining companies have earned themselves it's not a very good feeling to find software from a company like that running without your knowledge.
http://www.redbend.com/en/company/red-bend-enabled-devices
http://www.redbend.com/en/products-services/software-analytics/benefits
With vSense Mobile™, Red Bend is the only company able to give service providers both real-time analytics insight from the device perspective as well as the ability to proactively change software in the field in order to make mobile devices and services continuously better in a rapidly changing world.
vSense Mobile benefits many organizations inside a service provider, including:
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Marketing / Business Intelligence
Turn usage data into valuable and actionable business intelligence
Better plan and target service roll-outs
Provide usage data for partner ISVs to better define their applications...
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I'll try to dig into it more later, but for now I'd just like to know what all it does.
Think it will be under red bend or vsense? Try and find it as well.
With a quick look I found this.. data/data
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Anthonicia said:
Think it will be under red bend or vsense? Try and find it as well.
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First thing I did was debloat so I haven't noticed it running, but somehow the /data/data/com.redbend.vdmc/ folder is still on my phone. Part of what got my attention is that I don't remember seeing it when I went through the system apps.
I've been swamped here lately so I was kinda hoping someone else has already had a chance to rip it apart. Even if we can opt out of it I still don't trust it, especially if it's this poorly protected.
edit: found it HtcOMADM_SPCS.apk
Great, wtf is wrong with HTC and Sprint? Leave the spyware out of android ffs!
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It's hiding under something if it is running. That's all I can see for now too. Sorry for being obvious.
HTC has so much running, if theyre responsible then it is gonna be in with their shat.
I don't have the tools to monitor what's going out and where. Ciq was found in that manner. If redbend isn't stupid they will hide it better.
Maybe someone could get in touch with TrevE and see what he can figure out.
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I'm looking into this.
Well, this is a little unsettling...
looking @ "tree.xml" in /data/data/com.redbend.vdmc/
there's some REALLY creepy code in there about data logs and server pulls, re-auths, there's even a command to upload (I think) some user info on data behavior to https://oma.ssprov.sprint.com/oma .....
I also see in the /ext/ directory there, they have 2 files:
libvdmengine.so
libvdmfumo.so
I also have no idea what the info inside "vdm.reg.xml" in the /shared_prefs/ points to but it loos like it may be injecting an xml line into another part of the system?
...more to come...
ok now looking in titanium backup for "com.redbend" it returned this app name:
vDM Client 1.0.2218232562.436999.426320
just reporting lol
It seems like this had a quick response when all the techblogs began to report about it. Maybe we should submit this to Engadget, BGR, Gizmodo, etc. and see what kind of feedback we can get back from Sprint/HTC about it?
Damn these fing companies.... Is it enough we have uncle Sam on our tails
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We took these files out of our Viper4G 2.0.0 Beta from the beginning, ladies and gentlemen nice find, Haus.
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-viperboy- said:
We took these files out of our Viper4G 2.0.0 Beta from the beginning, ladies and gentlemen nice find, Haus.
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Does it free up some Ram like when removing it from the 3D did?
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Good god...Thanks for digging in on this fellas, if it is doing some naughty things...I hope it gets all blown up like cIQ did. I'm about ready to go back to a flip phone if this crap doesn't stop.
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We took these files out of our Viper4G 2.0.0 Beta from the beginning, ladies and gentlemen nice find, Haus.
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and you now cannot update your PRL and profile
just discovered this.
I am pushing the 3 apks back one at a time until I know which does what.
so far, the settingsprovider one put the "system updates" back into my settings menu, but I still couldn't update
il Duce said:
and you now cannot update your PRL and profile
just discovered this.
I am pushing the 3 apks back one at a time until I know which does what.
so far, the settingsprovider one put the "system updates" back into my settings menu, but I still couldn't update
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Damn thats not good, looks like Sprint and HTC are gonna force us to have their spyware
DB13 said:
Damn thats not good, looks like Sprint and HTC are gonna force us to have their spyware
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Nah I'm sure one of the talented devs will figure out a way to disable it without any ill effects.
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il Duce said:
and you now cannot update your PRL and profile
just discovered this.
I am pushing the 3 apks back one at a time until I know which does what.
so far, the settingsprovider one put the "system updates" back into my settings menu, but I still couldn't update
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Ok so I pushed back all but the _tool_ one and can update my stuff.
Sadly it looks like they built dependencies into these
Hopefully the more talented people can find a way to fix this.
I'll keep the tool apk out of my system and see how it goes, I do still have signal and data.
Also that app name I listed earlier in TiBu is installed again, must be one of those first 2 apks.
Related
Is there a way to block this? Could a patch be made? I personally have nothing to hide but this seems a bit wrong to me.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20055431-1.html
Any data collected from that device is illegal unless the officer aquired a warrant to search the data on the phone. I am sure apps will come out to attempt to block it. But I also don't think officers are wasteing time using the device on everyone they pull over. Unless your contact list is relevant you pulling 95 in a 65 ;p
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Total bull****, wow. Well, the MSP claim to only have 5 of the devices, but that is 5 too many, in my opinion. If they really are utilizing this, what the hell are they using it FOR exactly? Personally, I'd tell a cop to kiss my ass, because I know my rights. But, if it's happening, I don't see it lasting long.
Yea you don't have to give the cop your phone. That ritarded. The last cop that pulled me over wrote me a ticket for speeding the same speed as all the other cars on the road so I *****es him out. Then he wrote me a window tint ticket also. Fought both in court while he sat there ans got both dropped.
Tim Wxxx. Eat my hemmoroids.
That's right, it is very ritarded.
Nine inches of snow today & now this!? It's no fun to be in Michigan...
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If they don't give into the request for how they use it, some cop is going to pull over the wrong person (ie. a lawyer) who is going to give up the info, then it's all going to hit the fan for the State and the officer.
imnuts said:
If they don't give into the request for how they use it, some cop is going to pull over the wrong person (ie. a lawyer) who is going to give up the info, then it's all going to hit the fan for the State and the officer.
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Exactly, and I hope it happens soon. This is such a violation of rights it is ridiculous.
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I would assume an app could be developed. It would need to disable data transferring somehow when it recognized that this type of device was plugged in.
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Nine inches of snow today & now this!? It's no fun to be in Michigan...
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Lucky you, I got pelted with 4 inches of ice balls over here on the other side of the lake!
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Is there a way to block this? Could a patch be made? I personally have nothing to hide but this seems a bit wrong to me.
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Sounds like an oppurtunity for a good DEV to create an app to encrypt the data on your SD card similar to what can be done to the HD in XP/7. Of course that wouldn't help what's being kept in memory much but it would be a start. The problem with encrypting is the system resources need to encrypt/decrypt the data when accessing it but with dual core processors coming out for phones, that might not be an issue for long!
Why bother to root the 3VO or any phone?
How does Sprint update? If Sprint can update and change "stuff" in the rom like the clock or whatever, or even change the system from 2.2 to 2.3 how do they do it?
Is there some code in the front end of the install, that allows this update without root?
I suggest find this part of any update that Sprint uses; and then just run this section of code on any/every new rom that any developer wants to run...
I remember looking at some old games and programs, and being able to find the lost "code keys" that were actually on the cd's in hidden files.... type those into the program when they started, and bam.... no "key" on the box needed.
Anyway, if Sprint can do it without "root" why bother to root - just find the hidden lines!
This might seem simple, or maybe obsurd, or just outside the "box".... but seriously - what if?
The hell?
Drugs are bad mmkay?
Hmmm. Ok go ahead and get on that
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Hmmmm perhaps you don't get it...
i.e. if sprint can 're-rom" our locked phones... why can't we?
Que....?
I goes something like this.
Take the firmware, zip it up, take that zip, encrypt it with a private key. Push this OTA to the device.
The device will read the OTA update, check to see if the decryption key succeeds and then flash the device.
You're confusing headers in unsigned roms with hash checks in encrypted roms.
In simplest forms this is a header
Start>Rom1
You can change Rom1 to Rom2
Start>Rom2
That's a header.
Encryption is a little bit harder.
For simplicity sake let's just say the encryption key was +5 and decryption key was -5.
If your rom contained simply this.
Hello
Your file would be
Mjqqt
Send that to the phone it'll derive that into Hello
Now unless you know the encryption/decryption key how would you know that Mjqqt was Hello? It's not gonna be as simple as -5/+5 or anything like that.
Play with PGP and you'll see that the word Hello could be something like this
390tu904ugriojwG#GvrgerfdojeGO#J)94g39141Hb9ohbrG$#!Tjodsdfobadvscnleojgireig340909g3098409riorgkenR)#dgro0gJ#$)!0rejg!#GJ!!JRGH!#$G9je10ojgreojer1
You make it sound so simple. Too bad these phones are locked with strong modern encryption... The only way to install an update like htc/sprint can is it is signed with the correct private key, which only they have.
Because we don't have the private key to sign the update. There, no more questions on this thread.
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Stephanie95 said:
Hmmmm perhaps you don't get it...
i.e. if sprint can 're-rom" our locked phones... why can't we?
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Here, let me explain... it's like this. You go to work, but you can't go beyond your department. Sprint/HTC owns the office building, so they go in and out, with their key. You on the other hand, can only go where they let you go. Now if we some how find a little crack in the wall some where, we might be able to get in and then do as we please. We might even be able to change the locks so they can't get in unless we let them.
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Here, let me explain... it's like this. You go to work, but you can't go beyond your department. Sprint/HTC owns the office building, so they go in and out, with their key. You on the other hand, can only go where they let you go. Now if we some how find a little crack in the wall some where, we might be able to get in and then do as we please. We might even be able to change the locks so they can't get in unless we let them.
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Ok what about a "key-gen" ? i.e.
Is there an "encryption-gen"?
Can we delete this thread? Its taking up precious bandwidth from the internet.
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Stephanie95 said:
Ok what about a "key-gen" ? i.e.
Is there an "encryption-gen"?
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I know that not everyone is knowledgeable on every subject, but instead of asking here, you can do some Google searches about public private key encryption.
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nealwheels said:
Can we delete this thread? Its taking up precious bandwidth from the internet.
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Hmmmm... this takes up bandwidth- from what? Crysis2 takes up tons of bandwidth and "they" can get away with it... this is just a bit of typing once ever 5 min... lol
Have some fun and think outside the BOX!
i.e. both Sprint and HTC have this code and the phones don't need to be unlocked to install a new ROM
lol
swatspyder said:
I know that not everyone is knowledgeable on every subject, but instead of asking here, you can do some Google searches about public private key encryption.
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Ya I will - but I was hoping the genius of the developers could hack something quickly... I don't know what I'm doing, other than "Brain-Storming"
Brainstorming is a good first step to get over "the wall"
I get my 3VO monday
Stephanie95 said:
Ok what about a "key-gen" ? i.e.
Is there an "encryption-gen"?
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I see what the OP is trying to say there is like a master program code that opens the door for the OTA to get pushed through.
I really would rather wait for a good program to come back such as unrevoked 3 and then AMON other then that im sure sprint has hidden there tracks really well because if they didn't this would be known world wide by now
There is no keygen for such a thing . There waiting on HTC to do a update to unlock the phone which should be soon.
reaper24 said:
There is no keygen for such a thing . There waiting on HTC to do a update to unlock the phone which should be soon.
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ok cool
does every phone have it's specific type of encryption?
I imagine they all have different "code-keys"
But, I wonder if anyone knows how the EVO was encrypted, or any of the older phones? Would that help?
I'm really pulling for the developers to come up with a "simlpe root" for the
3VO!
Using the computer to open files and "push stuff in a shell with pc3600.exe.zip.whatever.something.newfile... wasn't easy when I got my EVO when it was released(with "s-on"). lol
Alright, honestly we just need to wait for HTC to release a update...
Its been 24 hours and already some people are thirsty to root this bad boy...
Give it time
Stephanie95 said:
ok cool
does every phone have it's specific type of encryption?
I imagine they all have different "code-keys"
But, I wonder if anyone knows how the EVO was encrypted, or any of the older phones? Would that help?
I'm really pulling for the developers to come up with a "simlpe root" for the
3VO!
Using the computer to open files and "push stuff in a shell with pc3600.exe.zip.whatever.something.newfile... wasn't easy when I got my EVO when it was released(with "s-on"). lol
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Htc really locked this sucker down from what I remember then enough people started *****in and HTC CEO said it will not be locked down with that crazy encryption which would take year or more to break.
From what I know and read were waiting on them to unlock us and the devs to build stuff along with a easy root
Stephanie95 said:
I get my 3VO monday
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Please, buy an iphone.
Oh, and never post in the Developer section again. OKTHANKSBYE
So what is everyone's favorite security app of 2011- and why? I know some people think security apps are not necessary. If you feel security apps are not necessary, let us know why. Any security apps that don't work on the 3D? Don't keep that info to yourself! In light of the recent news reports about phone hacking, news about malware in the android market, and criminal activity concerning phones in general, I thought it was a timely subject to discuss. Please don't let the thread devolve into a flamefest! We are better than that!
Edit: I know the poll is kinda big but I made it big on purpose. I had no idea there were this many different security apps out there until I did the research for this poll and I figured I couldn't be the only one so I put em up here so others could find out about them too. If I missed your favorite app, I'm sorry! Just give a shout out for it in the comments!
Lookout is what ive had on my phone since evo4g release date. The guys know their stuff that make it. They were on cnbc special one night showing hacking in open wifi areas.
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Ive used Lookout and SmrtGuard on my 4G. But have not used any on my 3VO as of yet
Mobile Defense is probably the most reliable one I've used, it sucks that they are in limited beta though.
no need for security
NewZJ said:
no need for security
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It's nice to know you can access methods to: remote lock, track, alarm & wipe your phone when its not in your possession anymore.
That whole virus & malware mess (if we can even call it that) is easily avoided with the common sense app, I agree.
As for malware you don't really have to worry about anything atm. HTC has done a god job of patching all of the security holes they all use.
I think htc also may have something built into the phones to track then if they are lost but I doing know as I haven't set it up myself yet.
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As for malware you don't really have to worry about anything atm. HTC has done a god job of patching all of the security holes they all use.
I think htc also may have something built into the phones to track then if they are lost but I doing know as I haven't set it up myself yet.
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I think its ties into HTC hub... When I set my account up it said something about "lost or stolen phone" can't confirm for sure but yeah they have something within the phone its self
3D > iClone
Noiro said:
It's nice to know you can access methods to: remote lock, track, alarm & wipe your phone when its not in your possession anymore.
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Yea you can do all of that with HTCSense. com
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I think you need to put AndroidLost on that list. That app is great.
Isn't there a setting in our devices by default that allow you to find a lost or stolen Evo 3D? I haven't played with it and know nothing about it. I just remember disabling it because I heard it sucks your battery down pretty quickly.
Htcsense.com website is the one built into phone... Right now its a huge disappointment as many have reported it not working. It is in beta and when it works 100% it will be a great asset
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I'm curious to see what people recommend for lost phone apps.
robnelle said:
So what is everyone's favorite security app of 2011- and why? I know some people think security apps are not necessary. If you feel security apps are not necessary, let us know why. Any security apps that don't work on the 3D? Don't keep that info to yourself! In light of the recent news reports about phone hacking, news about malware in the android market, and criminal activity concerning phones in general, I thought it was a timely subject to discuss. Please don't let the thread devolve into a flamefest! We are better than that!
Edit: I know the poll is kinda big but I made it big on purpose. I had no idea there were this many different security apps out there until I did the research for this poll and I figured I couldn't be the only one so I put em up here so others could find out about them too. If I missed your favorite app, I'm sorry! Just give a shout out for it in the comments!
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look out is good tho only reason you would need a anti virus is if u are going crazy with the random apps on the market which have spy ware in them. Linux is pretty much virus free the only way you could get something is if you give it permissions to do so. I never need a anti virus.
Anyone familiar with "Phone Locator Pro" (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rvo.plpro)? It looks pretty nice, too bad they don't have a trial. :/
I use AegisLab Antivirus Free, the option Appscan is outdated.
Scan is pretty fast and lightweight, and according to author, they will support SD card scan soon.
I got Seekdroid on the amazon app store when it was the free app of the day and it seems to work really well. Plus, the website interface is very good/easy.
I believe they also just released a free "lite" version of the app if any want to check it out.
I was using lookout, but am trying myphone without it to see if it saves any battery..but may end up putting it back on, even if it doesn't work as some say, having that sense of mind that you're phone is "protected" is kinda relieving
Just came out today guys.....tell me what you think.Tektrak works on iOs and android. Can't be removed from phone.Awesome
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...otection-with-ios-for-a-full-family-solution/
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wonder how they stack upto theft aware
I use lookout + lbe privacy guard
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Carrier IQ seems to be on all of the android carrier roms. Some of the custom roms have an opt-in option. There are some posts in other forums. I figured that I would show this to the photon users.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/30/carrier-iq-trevor-eckhart_n_1120727.html
Check it out.
Yea saw the video on Et4g forum. Left me wondering if we have it too.
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Qbking did a lengthy video as well.
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its not
shabbypenguin said:
its not
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Whats not?
I ran a scan with the app that was provided to check for it, and it didn't find anything. Here's to hoping that it really isn't there!
no really its not guys. im buddies with k0nane.. some of you may remember him from here or here? or any one of these other no-ciq mods
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286783
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342724
anyways ciq doesnt appear to be on this phone.. my best guess? its a global phone.. other carriers prolly dont want tracking metrics being run thru their network back to sprint..
thats just my take on it all tho
But it does have an ad service apk which does almost the same thing. Ever notice random ad text messages or crap in the notification dropdown. It was the first thing to go in skinnyrev0
sprintzone? yea thats common across devices tho
Sprint zone is technically not advertising though. It's designed to "provide important sprint information" though yes, most of that involves advertising for carious sprint services and partners. There is a setting in sprint zone to turn off notifications.
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Fox News
Fox News just reported on CIQ and that they "say" they do not capture keystrokes but some tests have proven this incorrect. They may be capturing alot more then we think. so, that being said, we need to make sure to block or remove CIQ from android builds if present.
Fox news huh...lmao
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lucidvtec said:
Fox news huh...lmao
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HAHA I remember the excellent treads on the Epic forums. The guy who shall not be named
I just found "Data Collection 1.0" on the phone. Look at the permissions, very scary looking just like CIQ. And there are "Data Collector Service 1.0" and "Data Collector Provider 1.0" to go with it.
Its already been confirmed that the photon doesn't have carrier IQ
stop it and see what happens. you lose your connection to google immediatly and even then the service stops. ciq is a service taht cant be stopped so easily
http://m.gizmodo.com/5864116/these-are-the-phones-were-pretty-sure-dont-have-carrier-iq
i saw this on msn's home page today
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9143034-att-sprint-say-they-use-carrier-iq-but-dont-collect-personal-info
there is an app to test if u have it but, u have to be rooted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559
idk why everyone is freaking out....this has been on the phones FOR A WHILE NOW!!! it's like injecting yourself with poison, nothing happening for years, then someone walks up to you and says, yeah, poison can kill you, then you go nuts....come on people....
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idk why everyone is freaking out....this has been on the phones FOR A WHILE NOW!!! it's like injecting yourself with poison, nothing happening for years, then someone walks up to you and says, yeah, poison can kill you, then you go nuts....come on people....
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Its cause now we're aware of it. That's like you bang a hooker, get an STD that has no immediate symptoms like the silent killer syphilis, then 1 year later you get a panel and it shows positive. What's not to understand? People had some sort idea that Google was keeping location based stats but many didn't know all of our keystrokes were being monitored at such a deep level hidden in our phones.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/dam/support/pdf/system_update/galaxys4.pdf
I woke up this morning and on my phone was a request to update from Verizon, it was an official update.
I haven't seen anything anywhere and I can't believe that I am one of the first on XDA to get this;
I go first!
Lol :laugh:
Lol, spam is spam!
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No offense, but you are a little late to the party. The update has been out for a week now.
See these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2731099 - Thread created on first rollouts
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2658480 - Discussion thread
The only nice thing is that VZW finally released info on the update.
Omega360 said:
No offense, but you are a little late to the party. The update has been out for a week now.
See these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2731099 - Thread created on first rollouts
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2658480 - Discussion thread
The only nice thing is that VZW finally released info on the update.
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I didn't think I was the first but I haven't been following lately so I didn't see anything. How do you get rid of that constant nag?
What is so exciting about an update that essentially kills write permissions to the SD card and adds more bloat? Not being sarcastic. Just do not see the benefit. S4 seems fine, pre update.
JMO
rushless said:
What is so exciting about an update that essentially kills write permissions to the SD card and adds more bloat? Not being sarcastic. Just do not see the benefit. S4 seems fine, pre update.
JMO
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Didn't add more bloat. Please explain in detail what bloat you are talking about. Most bloat can be turned off. As a matter of fact, one of the best parts of the update is the ability to disable bloat from the app drawer. Also, 4.4 added the framework for Tap to Pay. There are plenty of reasons to update. Kit Kat runs better for me and has features I find very useful.
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Didn't add more bloat. Please explain in detail what bloat you are talking about. Most bloat can be turned off. As a matter of fact, one of the best parts of the update is the ability to disable bloat from the app drawer. Also, 4.4 added the framework for Tap to Pay. There are plenty of reasons to update. Kit Kat runs better for me and has features I find very useful.
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I don't believe you can disable KNOX(crap) without root. There are probably a few other verizon apps that cannot be disabled without root.
Knox? I haven't had a problem with it... It does nothing on my phone. Can you please explain what your problem is with Knox?
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You CAN disable knox....The only thing I wish I could disable that u can't is the stupid security update notifications
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It's not that it's a bad update by any means, 4.4 code has a lot of efficiencies over 4.3, but with as long as the wait was i guess people over hyped it and expected more new end-user features.
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My phone didn't show the update till a few hours ago. At first I was semi excited, then I remembered I still plan on rooting the crap out of the thing..... Verizon and their slow nonsense don't sit well with me sometimes.
D3Seeker said:
My phone didn't show the update till a few hours ago. At first I was semi excited, then I remembered I still plan on rooting the crap out of the thing..... Verizon and their slow nonsense don't sit well with me sometimes.
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If you want the update and be rooted, go here --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2726868
rushless said:
What is so exciting about an update that essentially kills write permissions to the SD card and adds more bloat? Not being sarcastic. Just do not see the benefit. S4 seems fine, pre update.
JMO
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Honestly, the SD card "issue" is so overblown its not funny. It doesn't kill write permissions... what it does do, is make it so that apps don't have the right to go willy nilly across you card, to folders it shouldn't have permission to (unless you agree that a random app you download should have the ability to muck with other programs folders).
I made the jump on my phone more than a month ago, and my day to day impacts are NILL. Poweramp still plays all my music just fine, and not one program has had a FC or any other issue. In fact, had i not read articles from other people about the sky falling, i would have never known anyway....
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Honestly, the SD card "issue" is so overblown its not funny.
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It's an unexpected, undocumented change. That you don't run applications which get broken doesn't mean that others aren't hurt by it.
Google is the new Microsoft - they think because they're successful they can do no wrong, but in reality they're clueless about a lot of things. Big enough to not care, and it's the users who get hurt.
Adding *nix permissions to a vfat volume is the right thing to do (short of requiring a modern file system on an SD card), but they're doing it wrong by not phasing it in so apps can accommodate the change.
Well, fill me in. What broke? What app needs to write willy nilly to folders it shouldn't be in that is now no longer working?
For all the moaning people give, i seem to have trouble finding REAL problems...
Divine_Madcat said:
Well, fill me in. What broke? What app needs to write willy nilly to folders it shouldn't be in that is now no longer working?
For all the moaning people give, i seem to have trouble finding REAL problems...
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Subsonic is one example. Here's a detailed explanation with another example.
Your Google-fu is weak.
mike.s said:
Subsonic is one example. Here's a detailed explanation with another example.
Your Google-fu is weak.
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At the end of the thread, its reported fixed, and your other article is from 2012 and has nothing to do with any of this.
Keep trying....
As it is.. apps may write to any folder they own, and may read from every folder. Unless the app is badly written, this change should honestly be a non issue.
Divine_Madcat said:
Honestly, the SD card "issue" is so overblown its not funny.
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I agree 100%
Divine_Madcat said:
At the end of the thread, its reported fixed, and your other article is from 2012 and has nothing to do with any of this.
Keep trying....
As it is.. apps may write to any folder they own, and may read from every folder. Unless the app is badly written, this change should honestly be a non issue.
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LOL. It was "fixed" by manually changing things in the application, fortunately the app had a setting where the storage path can be configured by the user, many don't. KitKat broke something which worked before because it introduced new restrictions with no prior warning to developers.
The linked article is about this issue, exactly. You didn't read the comments, did you? Or try searching ? The change has been around for a while (back to Honeycomb), but manufacturers worked around it for most devices. Now Google seems to be enforcing it as a requirement with KitKat (or Samsung decided to not do the work-around anymore, we'll see). Maybe it's not causing you problems, but it is causing problems for people.