Hello, i have a motorolar razr recently upgreaded to ICS.
Some of my games have lag now, like N.O.V.A. 3. Before it was just fine, the game didnt have any lag, now it have.
And without using any program, i have just 300mb ram free.
Is it right? just 300mb? The game lag is because of it?
Aaand, what can i do with it? Any program to free the ram memory? Im a little noob at it. (my device is rooted)
A factory reset seems to solve most people's problems they are having after receiving the ICS update. I know it solved mine and many others.
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Adauth said:
A factory reset seems to solve most people's problems they are having after receiving the ICS update. I know it solved mine and many others.
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i did this before installing the ics.
does your nova3 have lag?
Root it and set the default governor to Hotplug instead of Interactive > Lags will be gone.
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HSD-Pilot said:
Root it and set the default governor to Hotplug instead of Interactive > Lags will be gone.
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It is rooted, and how can i do that?
I doubt changing cpu from interactive to hotplug will improve lag.
It'll probably increase lag instead, and hotplug is better for battery life.
Try these...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761334
as for nova 3, use chainfre3D and set "reduce texture quality".
Autokiller are Crap...
Hotplug give me the best Benchmark Results and saves Battery by shutting one core off, when screen is off.
Use No Frills out of Store and try it.
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HSD-Pilot said:
Autokiller are Crap...
Hotplug give me the best Benchmark Results and saves Battery by shutting one core off, when screen is off.
Use No Frills out of Store and try it.
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1) Autokiller memory optimizer is not an auto kill apps program. It's an internal memory tweaker.
2) Higher benchmarks =/= less lag. A game that maintain at 30fps has less lag in comparison to a game that jumps from 10 to 40 fps despite being able to run at higher fps.
Anyway, you can use setcpu to use hotplug when screen is off, and interactive when screen is on.
Yeah, but Screen Off Profiles are waste of Memory. Your RazR always has to decide which governor to run, when you turn on/off the Screen. That uses Memory and battery (think about it )
Run an Benchmark with interactive/ hotplug and compare. Hotplug runs butter smooth and will give you more fps on graphical benchmarks.
Anyway, it's your phone
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I'm not saying which governor is better, just giving facts.
I'm experiencing lag in games and UI with hotplug compared to interactive.
Personally I have changing the governor to and fro, depending on my usage.
If you want to read more, you can go to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1754457
http://icrontic.com/discussion/95140/android-cpu-governors-and-you-setcpu-system-tuner-tegrak
Quote from the findings:
"Now we can see, the hotplug CPU governor dynamicly enable and disable the second core, and may improves the battery's life. The interactive CPU governer seem to be nice to make thing runs very smooth, but, the downside is, it uses more power."
I use none of them. Pegasus is perfect for my needs :thumbup:
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im running the extreme1.92x kernel oc'd at 1.4 but not sure about the best setup to save battery. i made one profile for charging i put in on max. not sure what to do with the advanced tab settings.
Profiles are really dependent on the user and their needs. The one piece of advice I can give you is to make sure you have a profile set up in case your phone starts to over heat. An OC'ed phone maxed during a charge may get quite toasty.
any suggestions?
Imo dont o/c. Let the kernel operate the way it is setup. O/c cause reboots, phone heating up, and freezes.
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I'm running Adrynalyne's 4.4.7 kernel and use the following and get really good battery life with no overheating and no lag. I don't do a screen of profile because the governor seems to handle that pretty well.
Normal 1024 max 245 min-Smartass governor
Profiles:
Battery < 25% 768 max 245 min-On demand Governor
Charging 1280 Max 245 min-Smartass governor
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Profiles:
Battery < 25% 768 max 245 min-On demand Governor
Charging 1280 Max 245 min-Smartass governor
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Does that actually work?
I thought you had to choose a default governor and setup profiles accordingly.
I didn't know you could setup profiles with a governor that wasn't active or chosen on boot.
the thunderbolt is so fast already theres really no need to over clock. i left it at stock for normal, toned down to 768 when <30% battery and down to 368 when screen off. its a little slow for about half a second when waking up but the battery life is amazing. i can make it through a whole day without charging with moderate use. also running ziggys bfs kernel on virusrom and that added a ton of speed. way better than overclocking that drains your battery
im not asking about overclocking or profiles, just want to know about advanced settings. everything is set to default -1.
qman66 said:
im running the extreme1.92x kernel oc'd at 1.4 but not sure about the best setup to save battery. i made one profile for charging i put in on max. not sure what to do with the advanced tab settings.
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What Rom are you using?
Go to settings, menu, wireless networks, mobile networks and uncheck the third box. No need to have mobile data always on for most peeps . You'll still have 4G n everything, but gain a good 1-2 maybe more hrs (depending on use, kernels, governor settings, and I/O scheduling. I personally am running BAMF 1.6.2 with adryns 4.4.7 kernel, no set CPU, using tool box for that at 245mhz min - 1.024GHz max with ondemand governor and most importantly SIO Scheduler. Try these n you will have amazing performance and better battery life. Let me know you opinions
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No matter how precise I click, I can't get SetCPU to set 1024mhz. Closest I can get is 1036. What gives? lol
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No matter how precise I click, I can't get SetCPU to set 1024mhz. Closest I can get is 1036. What gives? lol
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Haha, I couldn't tell if you were being serious or not but each kernel has speeds at different increments. 1036 will probably be as close as you can get to 1024.
dopediculous said:
What Rom are you using?
I personally am running BAMF 1.6.2 with adryns 4.4.7 kernel, no set CPU, using tool box for that at 245mhz min - 1.024GHz max with ondemand governor and most importantly SIO Scheduler. Try these n you will have amazing performance and better battery life. Let me know you opinions
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My settings are identical except running 1.6.3, what does the SIO scheduler do or any of the schedulers for that matter?
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My settings are identical except running 1.6.3, what does the SIO scheduler do or any of the schedulers for that matter?
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You can use Wikipedia for the scheduler info. Once you look into it you'll know why I didn't wanna type all those details in here from my phone. Lol, but yeah set that to SIO, Take off ENABLE data always on. N you should be better let me know.
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Haha, I couldn't tell if you were being serious or not but each kernel has speeds at different increments. 1036 will probably be as close as you can get to 1024.
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Go to manage applications and clear data from set CPU and when u go back in to set CPU you will have to hit auto detect n if ur kernel has that frequency you'll be able to click it.
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I installed Icecream Sunday Final (very nice rom btw), but the phone lags often. For example, when I unlock it, it can be frustratingly long to be able to launch any applications right away. There is always at least 100mb of ram free, so I am not sure what causes this.
Does anyone have any advice? Has this happened to any other ICS users?
Are you using an OC Kernel?
If so, I read around here on the forums that you should increase your minimum CPU speed a bit and that should clear up the lag when unlocking the phone. Haven't tried it myself since I am running theMyth - ICS Lite, but am going to go back to Cyanogenmod (once of the things that peeved me on Cyanogen was exactly this; lag after unlock).
Hope this helps
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I installed Icecream Sunday Final (very nice rom btw), but the phone lags often. For example, when I unlock it, it can be frustratingly long to be able to launch any applications right away. There is always at least 100mb of ram free, so I am not sure what causes this.
Does anyone have any advice? Has this happened to any other ICS users?
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hi you have to flash a kernel (you ll find all the information needed in the ic sunday topic)
i did do that and its far better
Either you set your min. frequenzy to 245Mhz or just use smartass gov. @ 122Mhz. I prefer smartass @ 122Mhz and there no lag.
PS: I´m using the same rom but with SlaidFastMod V2
I'm having wake-up lag too! But I already gave up thinking that the SGA's CPU just sucks. Thanks for this info GerasVille, I did not think to tinker with the System settings of CyanoGen because of the "Dragons Ahead" prompt. I will try this smartass setting to see if the wake-up lag will be removed. It sucks when I have to send an emergency SMS and my phone is lagging like hell.
Anyway so let me get this straight. Does having the minimum CPU clocked at 122mhz mean that if the device is inactive, it dynamically clocks down the CPU to 122mhz to save battery? Hence the wake-up lag is caused by the CPU being clocked back up?
I'm also gonna try out slaidfastmod to see if it makes it even better.
You can put up with the lag and save a tiny bit of battery life, or speed up the CPU and lose some battery life. Whichever you feel is more useful. Personally I don't mind the small unlock delay. Happens on most phones low powered anyway.
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Eniac77 said:
Are you using an OC Kernel?
If so, I read around here on the forums that you should increase your minimum CPU speed a bit and that should clear up the lag when unlocking the phone. Haven't tried it myself since I am running theMyth - ICS Lite, but am going to go back to Cyanogenmod (once of the things that peeved me on Cyanogen was exactly this; lag after unlock).
Hope this helps
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The kernel that is currently installed is "2.6.35.7-perf-CL562111" Ketut-lenovo #4. I am not sure if it is an OC kernel.
GerasVille said:
Either you set your min. frequenzy to 245Mhz or just use smartass gov. @ 122Mhz. I prefer smartass @ 122Mhz and there no lag.
PS: I´m using the same rom but with SlaidFastMod V2
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I installed SlaidFastMod v2, set governor to Smartass and min CPU frequency to 245 MHz and this fixed the issue! It's much smoother when unlocking.
Is it safe to tick the "Set on boot" setting for CPU settings?
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/overclock-android-device,review-1762.html#xtor=RSS-998
Opinions from people who really know? I can't imagine that overclocking increases battery life.
It doesn't. At least from my understanding. In fact as I understand it running at higher clock speeds would decrease your battery life no? I usually under clock, so...
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The theory is that overclocking allows you to complete processes quicker, which in turn allows the processor to go back to a idle/deep sleep faster. In practice it doesn't really work that way though.
ryude said:
The theory is that overclocking allows you to complete processes quicker, which in turn allows the processor to go back to a idle/deep sleep faster. In practice it doesn't really work that way though.
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doesn't the increase in voltage also come into effect?
They did talk a little about undervolting to increase battery life. Personally I don't worry about it. I'm not using my phone to sort out heavy algorithims at the moment, so running how it does is fast enough for what I use it at. Just found the article interesting.
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doesn't the increase in voltage also come into effect?
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They say the undervolting on lower clocks should balance out the higher voltage on overclocks.
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They did talk a little about undervolting to increase battery life. Personally I don't worry about it. I'm not using my phone to sort out heavy algorithims at the moment, so running how it does is fast enough for what I use it at. Just found the article interesting.
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Undervolting rarely makes a difference on mobile SoC's, but on the desktop/laptop CPUs you can really save a ton of power with undervolting and underclocking.
Why to overclock and understand it?
Here is a good reason to know what you are doing..
and the battery avg's lasting at least through the day, but most of the time, I have a charger near me...
EDITED: because it won't accept my screenshots HTML Probably cause I have n00b status on this account name.
AnTuTu Benchmark v.2.8
Total Score: 7446
RAM: 1201
CPU Int: 2264
CPU Float: 1767
2D: 295
3D: 1148
Database: 450
SD W 11.8MB 118
SD R >50MB 203
1600mhz
2012-05-23 18:17
You can view this SN here: Screenshot
Fluxi Kernel/My own OOM settings/AOKP/my own XXTweaker settings
The article says its not the actual overclocking that is saving battery life. When you put SetCPU on your phone not only can you overlock but you can underclock and set different voltages. I'm not 100% sure how the voltages play into it but you can set the processor to run at really low speeds during certain acts ei. when the screen is off, or any other time you don't necessarily need alot of power. That's and I changed all the voltages (I got them from a post where the guy knew what he was doing and tested them). I get almost 2 days moderate browsing, apps and text. If I talk alot or use my hotspot I only get 1.5 days. It is a little time consuming to get everything just right but when you do you really see it.
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The article says its not the actual overclocking that is saving battery life. When you put SetCPU on your phone not only can you overlock but you can underclock and set different voltages.
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This isn't a SetCpu feature there are other programs that can do this as well. It just so happens SetCpu has it built into the program. I bought SetCpu back in my Atrix days and loved it so it does work great for a simple tuning program.
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Many of the kernels these days have their own tweaks and mod apps as well
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I'm running a kernerl and a custom ROM that allows me to underclock and overclock.
I tried it out both ways and the battery lasted for almost the same amount as on the stock option. As I tend to play games a lot on my phone, the underclocking ran into some issues with stuttering and sometimes force close of a couple of games.
Personally, I've never been a big fan of either .
Hello,
I have tested the app from the playstore "Tegra Overclock" (the app needs root!!!) with my HOX+ and I'm very impressed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
I tested it with the game "Rayman" and I could eliminate 95% of the lags.
The only thing what i have done is to set the GPU clock with the app in 3D to 520MHZ and in 2D (to the half) to 260 MHZ, so they aren't locked to the CPU clock anymore.
I want to share and to discuss the experiences with the HOX+ between the users with this app to share and to find out the best settings.
Does some one has other configs which are more battery friendly (and are also eliminating lags) ?
I think, that the micro lags in games like Rayman and TempleRun2 and so on are a big disadvantage of the HOX+ and the app helps us in an easy way and without a custom kernel or custom rom to eliminate micro lags.
Which tegra overclock? Could you provide a links?
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Which tegra overclock? Could you provide a links?
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I mean this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
marck1991 said:
Hello,
I have tested the app from the playstore "Tegra Overclock" (the app needs root!!!) with my HOX+ and I'm very impressed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
I tested it with the game "Rayman" and I could eliminate 95% of the lags.
The only thing what i have done is to set the GPU clock with the app in 3D to 520MHZ and in 2D (to the half) to 260 MHZ, so they aren't locked to the CPU clock anymore.
I want to share and to discuss the experiences with the HOX+ between the users with this app to share and to find out the best settings.
Does some one has other configs which are more battery friendly (and are also eliminating lags) ?
I think, that the micro lags in games like Rayman and TempleRun2 and so on are a big disadvantage of the HOX+ and the app helps us in an easy way and without a custom kernel or custom rom to eliminate micro lags.
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Those settings seem to be working.... Great find
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marck1991 said:
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
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if you dont have "force GPU rendering" enabled this isnt the case for 2D
marck1991 said:
I mean this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
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What is the best settings for gaming and some battery with this app? Doesn't seem to work for cpu clock. I set max and tegra cap both at 17 and min at 10, hit apply and also check apply on boot. Close the app and open it again and the min and max are both at 17, obviously doesn't save the settings. This is what I've noticed so far with this paid app. I play sushi chop and it runs flawless, zero lag now. Never really lagged before but sometimes choppy, not anymore. I have you settings at gaming normal think its like 328mhz and have 2d settings the same. This setting seems to stick after closing the app and also on boot. I have master boot checked so these should all take effect on boot.
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I only made the settings i described and my battery consumption seems to be good when i want to save battery, i tick the HTC stock energy save mode to max the CPU to 1,3 ghz.
I think that the CPU settings are saved, you will notice it when you try 1,5ghz as max for example.
Only the values in the choose-box doesn't show the actual settings...
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Maybe some devs with more experiences and knowledge can find out better/best settings for us, because real racing 3 runs on my device with around 15-20fps...maybe we'll get some advice from the pros
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deeznuts said:
What is the best settings for gaming and some battery with this app? Doesn't seem to work for cpu clock. I set max and tegra cap both at 17 and min at 10, hit apply and also check apply on boot. Close the app and open it again and the min and max are both at 17, obviously doesn't save the settings. This is what I've noticed so far with this paid app. I play sushi chop and it runs flawless, zero lag now. Never really lagged before but sometimes choppy, not anymore. I have you settings at gaming normal think its like 328mhz and have 2d settings the same. This setting seems to stick after closing the app and also on boot. I have master boot checked so these should all take effect on boot.
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You are probably using ondemand governor! if you wish that settings applied by you remain same then choose interactive or conservative. The problem is not of our app but its due to crippled ondemand governor that takes its own decisions.
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You are probably using ondemand governor! if you wish that settings applied by you remain same then choose interactive or conservative. The problem is not of our app but its due to crippled ondemand governor that takes its own decisions.
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You're right, I have on demand. I understand the app description in the market place says its newb proof but guess not as I don't even know what on demand, interactive, conservative, etc mean to the end user. I hit legend on each page to learn but on some pages such as this one in the app it can be very vague at best at explaining the options. Guess ill try interactive even though I have no idea the difference between that and conservative.
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You're right, I have on demand. I understand the app description in the market place says its newb proof but guess not as I don't even know what on demand, interactive, conservative, etc mean to the end user. I hit legend on each page to learn but on some pages such as this one in the app it can be very vague at best at explaining the options. Guess ill try interactive even though I have no idea the difference between that and conservative.
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Guess you are right, never thought actually a person who can root necessarily know these terms. We will surely add some Real world examples to make it simpler to understand :angel:
We will add some homebrewed profiles based on user feedbacks to help new users who knows less in this regards.
For now its best explained as :
Consider your phone Cpu as a hotel and a governor is kind of its manager, obviously if you choose wrong person to manage then you loose earnings. In smartphone regards choosing wrong governor can lead to unbalanced performance/battery(as its equally valuable to money here!).
Now we don't wish to drag you in every governor details for now, just cut the talk and check if changing governors solve your problem and as a piece of advice DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN Interactive, conservative, ondemand.
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Guess you are right, never thought actually a person who can root necessarily know these terms. We will surely add some Real world examples to make it simpler to understand :angel:
We will add some homebrewed profiles based on user feedbacks to help new users who knows less in this regards.
For now its best explained as :
Consider your phone Cpu as a hotel and a governor is kind of its manager, obviously if you choose wrong person to manage then you loose earnings. In smartphone regards choosing wrong governor can lead to unbalanced performance/battery(as its equally valuable to money here!).
Now we don't wish to drag you in every governor details for now, just cut the talk and check if changing governors solve your problem and as a piece of advice DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN Interactive, conservative, ondemand.
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This is good for now, thank you for this. Trying interactive and seems to be working just fine and battery seems to he ok as well.
Rooting now a days or at least this device is amazingly simple as the devs here have made it for us. Literally point and click a few times and ur rooted, lol! Very easy.
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marck1991 said:
Maybe some devs with more experiences and knowledge can find out better/best settings for us, because real racing 3 runs on my device with around 15-20fps...maybe we'll get some advice from the pros
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how to display the fps?
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how to display the fps?
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Sry, this was only my feeling and not any displayed fps...
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how to display the fps?
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I set the FPS to the highest the app says which is 60fps. I then ran the citadel benchmark app and got the worst FPS rating ever which was like 42 so not sure
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deeznuts said:
I set the FPS to the highest the app says which is 60fps. I then ran the citadel benchmark app and got the worst FPS rating ever which was like 42 so not sure
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Just ran Epic Citadal benchmark again on battery save mode using lateset elegancia colored Rom and after using this app and now getting worse ever FPS benchmark of 36! WTF?
I've attached photos of the only changes I've made using this app. I again set min cpu to 96000 while on battery save mode but again as u can see it never saves the settings or at least doesn't display the setting is saved as seeing above in the picture below, has all settings at 1.3ghz and using interactive as instructed and of course hit apply.
What boggles my mind though is I'm noticing games actually working better where they use to be choppy on battery save mode, now not choppy.
Just to use as reference before using this app. Using the Rom I stated I would on average on battery save mode get a benchmark of 47-48fps. Without battery save I would get on average 52-54fps. Now my fps on battery save is around 36 and without battery save is around 41.
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deeznuts said:
Update
Just ran Epic Citadal benchmark again on battery save mode using lateset elegancia colored Rom and after using this app and now getting worse ever FPS benchmark of 36! WTF?
I've attached photos of the only changes I've made using this app. I again set min cpu to 96000 while on battery save mode but again as u can see it never saves the settings or at least doesn't display the setting is saved as seeing above in the picture below, has all settings at 1.3ghz and using interactive as instructed and of course hit apply.
What boggles my mind though is I'm noticing games actually working better where they use to be choppy on battery save mode, now not choppy.
Just to use as reference before using this app. Using the Rom I stated I would on average on battery save mode get a benchmark of 47-48fps. Without battery save I would get on average 52-54fps. Now my fps on battery save is around 36 and without battery save is around 41.
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First try to solve the frequencies not sticking with conservative governor now... Second Go to FPS section and enter value 0 and hit apply twice after that reboot(normal reboot not the quick one)! this will reset any settings you made, as your benchmarks shows you are limiting FPS. Now check again and please report. Also you get reduced choppyness because you are still getting FPS in range 30-40 in games.
There is one secret : When you are playing game and getting 50-60 FPS and suddenly a complex scene arrives and lower this to nearly 30FPS this although is above 30 FPS but our eyes can notice the difference (The transistion from say 60 to 35) and hence we feel like something is lagging. When you set the FPS to 45 then this transitions results in lags that are difficult to notice
Kingshoo said:
First try to solve the frequencies not sticking with conservative governor now... Second Go to FPS section and enter value 0 and hit apply twice after that reboot(normal reboot not the quick one)! this will reset any settings you made, as your benchmarks shows you are limiting FPS. Now check again and please report. Also you get reduced choppyness because you are still getting FPS in range 30-40 in games.
There is one secret : When you are playing game and getting 50-60 FPS and suddenly a complex scene arrives and lower this to nearly 30FPS this although is above 30 FPS but our eyes can notice the difference (The transistion from say 60 to 35) and hence we feel like something is lagging. When you set the FPS to 45 then this transitions results in lags that are difficult to notice
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Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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deeznuts said:
Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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The frequencies stick only if you put both the min and max at the same frequency as specified in the legend
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The frequency when set at 1.7ghz max and min will still fluctuate between 500mhz and 1.7ghz according to the needs of the phone
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deeznuts said:
Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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Understood. Many people who purchased a phone/tab having Tegra 3 wished to play games.
First we would like to make it very clear that the frequency save problem is not a bug of our app but for some reasons the settings never stick. And it do not require you to have min and max the same! You will lose the battery very quickly..
Second thing is that FPS section is for limiting FPS in everything. For example if you are getting 46 FPS in benchmark then if you limit FPS to 40 then you will get max 40! But reverse is not true as you wished. FPS (Frames Per Second) is dependent on harware capability + Software complexity. A powerful hardware + least complex software produces higher FPS and reverse produces lower FPS.
At the time Tegra 3 was really powerful as no other company had a quad core device + a good GPU. The problem is competing phones were running at 960*540 resolution and Tegra has to run games on 1280*720 Resolution! The math is if you increase the overall pixels the you inturn increase the load too. But all tegra devices comes with this 1280*720 or higher resolution and there it has to work harder and hence the battery is lesser than other competing companies! The other bad thing with Tegra 3 was 40nm Fab technology (won't bore you with this stuff but the less this number is the better) and it was a quad core+ it was using an older architecture while the competitors launched their products later on with better architecture and 28nm Fab and hence thats the end of the Tegra Story
Battery can be preserved friend if you choose the frequencies and brightness of device smartly. lets say when you are pleased with 40% brightness then why go 100% and if you can run games smoothly at 1Ghz then why 1.7Ghz?
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The frequencies stick only if you put both the min and max at the same frequency as specified in the legend
*For example see pic*
The frequency when set at 1.7ghz max and min will still fluctuate between 500mhz and 1.7ghz according to the needs of the phone
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Just apply max and tegra cap at 1.7 if that is your wish and minimum frequency to 51(lowest) the system may show it 500 or so but at times it will get set too.
Will the DooMKernel give you better performance (faster) with the same battery life? Thanks for your reply.
That's what i feel with v15 on .757 firmware
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That's what i feel with v15 on .757 firmware
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So v15 works better than v16?
It's more stable. Most users are getting random reboots on v16. I experienced them too and so i settled on v15. Works perfectly
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do Z1 and z ultra das the same kernel built on doom?
Yes. Dbolivar has ported it unofficially from z1 to Z ultra. So the features shall remain same
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I have been benchmarking various firmwares & settings combinations for my own gratification which I may post later - anyhow what I've concluded so far is .757 + Doom Kernel v16 is marginally slower than stock kernel but is better on battery use - more than enough to make up for the performance difference which I doubt you'd notice.
I haven't changed any settings from their defaults so I suspect it's governors that is causing this.
On v15 i got 34648 which is better than the average of 33k ish i get on stock. However i don't trust benchmarks anyway but doomkernel made the OS much smoother than that by stock kernel
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I always run mine OCed so yes it is smoother than stock for sure. Not that stock is bad to begin with.
Just noticed stock rom + DooMKernel is noticeably better on GTA San Andreas. The game used to start chugging at times with stock (which didn't seem to be related to graphics settings).
Also DoomKernel uses Ondemand governor by default - anyone know what stock uses? But in any case my theory about governor is out the window.
After many years of observing confirmation bias with users I've come to trust benchmarks more than users reported experiences but each to their own For example I don't believe overclocking that small amount is going to lead to any noticeable increase in smoothness for most applications after you remove confirmation bias. Come to think of it ... it would be nice if there was an app out there that could set up blind testing for user experiences if that's possible.
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Also DoomKernel uses Ondemand governor by default - anyone know what stock uses? But in any case my theory about governor is out the window.
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Last time I checked, stock kernel was by default using the interactive governor, but AFAIK it's the same as ondemand, except that it jumps to higher frequencies more agressively when the user is interacting with the phone (mostly by a kind of touch / input boost). In latest versions of the ondemand governor, I've also seen an "input_boost" option, so I think the difference is even less clear now.
For a proper benchmark which will be more consistent and easily reproducible across your firmwares and kernels, set everything to performance (i.e. CPU and GPU governors), and disable any battery saving and thermal throttle options in the kernel (beware your phone will get HOT during the testing, avoid repeating it too many times in a row or in a hot weather, or don't do it at all if you don't want to take the risk!). That's how some people get some very high numbers, if not by OC'ing the CPU.
And smoothness and lags are almost all about the governor choice and its fine tuning. For instance, I can't get a totally smooth scroll in some apps with ondemand or intellidemand, even after tweaking the settings; however, with smartassv2 and lagfree, everything is very smooth and battery is also good.
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Last time I checked, stock kernel was by default using the interactive governor, but AFAIK it's the same as ondemand, except that it jumps to higher frequencies more agressively when the user is interacting with the phone (mostly by a kind of touch / input boost). In latest versions of the ondemand governor, I've also seen an "input_boost" option, so I think the difference is even less clear now.
For a proper benchmark which will be more consistent and easily reproducible across your firmwares and kernels, set everything to performance (i.e. CPU and GPU governors), and disable any battery saving and thermal throttle options in the kernel (beware your phone will get HOT during the testing, avoid repeating it too many times in a row or in a hot weather, or don't do it at all if you don't want to take the risk!). That's how some people get some very high numbers, if not by OC'ing the CPU.
And smoothness and lags are almost all about the governor choice and its fine tuning. For instance, I can't get a totally smooth scroll in some apps with ondemand or intellidemand, even after tweaking the settings; however, with smartassv2 and lagfree, everything is very smooth and battery is also good.
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Stock kernel uses Ondemand governor by default. It can be changed to interactive/powersave/conservative i think if i remember properly
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dbolivar said:
Last time I checked, stock kernel was by default using the interactive governor, but AFAIK it's the same as ondemand, except that it jumps to higher frequencies more agressively when the user is interacting with the phone (mostly by a kind of touch / input boost). In latest versions of the ondemand governor, I've also seen an "input_boost" option, so I think the difference is even less clear now.
For a proper benchmark which will be more consistent and easily reproducible across your firmwares and kernels, set everything to performance (i.e. CPU and GPU governors), and disable any battery saving and thermal throttle options in the kernel (beware your phone will get HOT during the testing, avoid repeating it too many times in a row or in a hot weather, or don't do it at all if you don't want to take the risk!). That's how some people get some very high numbers, if not by OC'ing the CPU.
And smoothness and lags are almost all about the governor choice and its fine tuning. For instance, I can't get a totally smooth scroll in some apps with ondemand or intellidemand, even after tweaking the settings; however, with smartassv2 and lagfree, everything is very smooth and battery is also good.
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Ah cheers for that info and I'll start doing that on the benchmarks I do. (CPU benchmarks in particular are all over the place presumably due to governors)
That's interesting because it's been a while since I looked at the descriptions of what governors do but I seem to recall ondemand (to put it very simply) ramps up speed very quickly and basically gives high priority to performance over others.
Interactive is faster than ondemand at the expense of battery life as it ramps up the cpu frequency faster
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