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Link to the official thread
If you find someone posting in this thread direct them to the official thread. The more threads the folks post in the less time available to focus on the main goals.
ROUND 3:
THE ICS LEAK AND THE THEAD HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM XDA AS WELL AS POSTS MADE BY epinter FOR THE PAST COUPLE DAYS!
The official reason as to why this happened
FBI warns users of mobile malware (Google states Jelly Bean has protection that older versions of Android does not)
Cnet Article: FBI warns users of mobile malware
Support My Moto Campaign has been specifically mentioned in latest Cnet article.
A big thanks goes out to Casey Newton and Roger Cheng for mentioning us here at Support My Moto!
Over fourty articles covering Motorola's removal of the ICS update and over ten articles that mention the campaigns
This is the Official Support My Moto Campaign Thread
Support My Moto! at supportmymoto.comA unified campaign backed by developers and you requesting Ice Cream Sandwich & Jellybean updates, source code, and unlocked bootloaders for the owners of Atrix MB860, Atrix MB861, Atrix ME860, Electrify MB853 ,Photon MB855, DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870
The main goals of the campaign is to have a unified front in submission of requests for Ice Cream Sandwich & Jellybean updates, source code, and unlocked bootloaders for the owners of Atrix MB860, Atrix MB861, Atrix ME860, Electrify MB853 ,Photon MB855, DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870.
What we would like to happen;
Unlock would make JB ROMs available to anybody that wants it.
Updating would cover more moto owners and thereby minimize the impact to Moto's profits and public image.
A clean plan of how the $100 credit is to work as "We're looking into it" type statements are very damaging.
The reason we ask these things is that it gives Motorola room to work with. Once/if Motorola decides to open up a line of communication then specifics could be discussed. Ideally unlock and an update would cover almost all Moto owners. Either way, both solutions would be of benefit to Moto. Even though I'm fronting the campaign I would like to see as many people walk away from it happy, or at least not want to attack each other.
This is achieved by filing Better Business Bureau Complaints, FTC Complaints, emailing The Consumerist and signing the petitions. These things and more can be achieved at the
Support My Moto Website
#supportmymoto Support My Moto IRC chat to discuss issues and tactics
For IRC chat on your phone try AndChat
If your company or employer has decided to remove Motorola from the approved supplier list for cell phones, please contact us. We would love to hear from you.
Please remember to submit Support My Moto to the news sites and tech blogs for coverage.
If you are a developer and would like to sign on, post "Count me in!" and I will add you to the list on the website and here as well.
SIGNATURE PIC TO SHOW SUPPORT IS ATTACHED TO THIS POST
I now have a link to the Official supportmymoto petition on the site. I should also have the site cleaned up this eve and add irc chat for better coordination of our efforts.
I'm looking for those that speak Chinese and Russian to get the word out to those forums. PM me if you can help out.
Support My Moto TeamDEVELOPERS
Th3Bill
mof9336
peetr_
zacthespack
Magiman7
upndwn4par
mmontuori
Syl
samcripp
spleef
android-DEP
shabbypenguin
tiger013
k0nane
stevendeb25
epinter
Notorious544d
pinguy1982
italosnt
Contributors
azrienoch of XDA Developer TV
na7q of motosunfire.com
QBKing77 & His Youtube channel Please be sure to send some "Thanks" his way for the video!
Add Milestone X2 as well as they run different hardware.
Found this in my inbox from the man himself
azrienoch said:
Well, ****. I'd planned on doing a video about the GPL and Apache License, kicking off a boycott. Looks like that'll have to wait a week. Saw the articles on Techmeme and CNET. Congrats on getting the movement this far. Want to do me an enormous favor and compile a list of links of all the press this has gotten?
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With the coverage from cnet (and articles that have cropped up because of it) the anger over this issue is getting out.
UPDATE:
"Update My Moto" has closed their campaign. Their site now redirects to supportmymoto.com. Even though I felt the leak was not enough, as it only covered a very limited number of devices, I stated that I would support their decision.
With supportmymoto.com (yours truly) attending the Big Android BBQ, please bump the various threads and spread the word.
Yet another reason to spread the word!
FBI warns users of mobile malware
Google is stated as saying the following;
"Google is aware of this and new features on its latest Android mobile OS -- Jelly Bean 4.1 -- aim to beef up the system's security over past OS iterations. With Jelly Bean's design, Google hopes to defend against hacks that install viruses, along with other malware."
Again, the call goes out to supporters to spread the word and I hope to see some of you at the Big Android BBQ!
Joke of the Day!
How do you install the Google Calender App on an 8 month old Tegra2 Moto?
You hit it with a hammer and by a 2 year old HTC Incredible S!
(Out of 44 phones released by major manufacturers in 2011 that have been upgraded to ICS or better, only two are Moto's. This isn't even including the Nexus line. HTC, LG, Samsung and even ZTE, of all people, seem to be able to upgrade their Tegra2 phone to ICS. WTF Moto!)
Looks like the Unlocked Bootloader Petition is getting real close; less than 2,000 more signatures to go! I have high hopes for this!
Thank you for posting this. I really hope this all works!
Even if it doesn't here's my reply to a comment about the campaign being ineffective in another thread.
Lokifish Marz said:
"ineffective", I think not. This campaign has already lost moto over a million dollars in sales. One contract cancellation alone cost them a possible $800K sale. You have to remember that Moto didn't ditch a couple phones but millions worldwide. Add in the press coverage by over 40 outlets and the proof that Moto was full of crap, you get the idea as to where this is going. If the estimated sales figures are correct (total estimates place the figure at over 3 million Tegra2 moto's sold worldwide) and only 20% of those affected ditch Moto, then the loss is around 600K devices (if Moto only makes $100 per device that's a 60 million dollar loss). Even Apple couldn't ignore numbers like that.
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Hopefully this gets us somewhere! I love Moto devices but the roadblocks are unfuriating..
No time is better than now to equate their losses with their practices!
Related
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...researcher-secret-software-tracks-phone-users
Trevor's exposure of Carrier IQ's software tracking keystrokes is getting nationwide attention!
But what's just as incredible is Carrier IQ's bald-face lie in the Lamestream Media that they're not tracking keystrokes, in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary: "...[W]e are counting and summarizing performance, not recording keystrokes or providing tracking tools," the company says in a statement.
I'd love to see Trev sue the pants off of that company, and also HTC (who knew well the full extent of the tracking all along), and maybe even a class-action lawsuit, with all Android users (at least all HTC Android users) as part of the injured class.
oldjackbob said:
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...researcher-secret-software-tracks-phone-users
Trevor's exposure of Carrier IQ's software tracking keystrokes is getting nationwide attention!
But what's just as incredible is Carrier IQ's bald-face lie in the Lamestream Media that they're not tracking keystrokes, in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary: "...[W]e are counting and summarizing performance, not recording keystrokes or providing tracking tools," the company says in a statement.
I'd love to see Trev sue the pants off of that company, and also HTC (who knew well the full extent of the tracking all along), and maybe even a class-action lawsuit, with all Android users (at least all HTC Android users) as part of the injured class.
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YEP! What a freaking joke!! Check out his video! Scares the **** out of me to think what they have logged...
I warned that I would be sending info to contacts in the media, I wasn't the only one that did it. Aside from that, now it is being picked up all over the Web, and mainstream media is reedy to cash in on the story. cIQ didn't play ball, so people are pissed. They just keep lying to save their company from a huge loss in stocks. Don't expect that you have seen the last of this in national news. When are these companies and entities going to learn? People are pissed, specially lately with the large scale upheaval from ordinary people, getting tired of being used like pawns, the majority is having their rights, freedoms, and even their livelihood trampled so that the minority can prosper. People of majority have the power, and we are finally using it on large scale.
I encourage anyone and everyone, if you have networked over the years with someone that is involved in journalism, and no outlet is too small, feed them the entire story. From the c and d letters to the most recent news of keystrokes being logged, tell the story.
Im just glad we have great developers that know how to keep us safe
don't root your device = raped by carrier + manufacturer
root your phone = awesome devs ftw + protection from ^
and people say root is "dangerous" lmao...
il Duce said:
don't root your device = raped by carrier + manufacturer
root your phone = awesome devs ftw + protection from ^
and people say root is "dangerous" lmao...
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Very well put Duce!
Sent by my Supercharged dual core from the 3rd Dimension
il Duce said:
don't root your device = raped by carrier + manufacturer
root your phone = awesome devs ftw + protection from ^
and people say root is "dangerous" lmao...
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Brilliant. Lol
Class action lawsuit here I come!
Sent from my PG86100 using xda premium
****s getting serious.
Temari x Shikamaru
il Duce said:
don't root your device = raped by carrier + manufacturer
root your phone = awesome devs ftw + protection from ^
and people say root is "dangerous" lmao...
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Amen to that!
Posted from my MIUI powered EVO 3d.
On front page of yahoo.com
http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
Way to go man let's get them.
I am going to blast this stuff all over fb
yumadtho?
This issue is also the first article on the technology section of google news.
Hehe, even questions are being raised in the European Parliament
This is not blowing out of proportion, it's putting things into perspective.
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il Duce said:
don't root your device = raped by carrier + manufacturer
root your phone = awesome devs ftw + protection from ^
and people say root is "dangerous" lmao...
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It is dangerous Duce...
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Thanks TrevE for setting the CIQ surveillance ablaze.
oldjackbob said:
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...researcher-secret-software-tracks-phone-users
Trevor's exposure of Carrier IQ's software tracking keystrokes is getting nationwide attention!
But what's just as incredible is Carrier IQ's bald-face lie in the Lamestream Media that they're not tracking keystrokes, in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary: "...[W]e are counting and summarizing performance, not recording keystrokes or providing tracking tools," the company says in a statement.
I'd love to see Trev sue the pants off of that company, and also HTC (who knew well the full extent of the tracking all along), and maybe even a class-action lawsuit, with all Android users (at least all HTC Android users) as part of the injured class.
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Outstanding job by that young man. We are so lucky to have him as part of this community!
way too go guys!! good ****
Treve took guts to stand up to this ****...in my book..he is a hero first, developer second.
Thanks for pointing this out, old man.
Personal privacy is of paramount importance, it brings great joy to me to see this one man, TrevE, being capable of lighting such a small fire that is growing out of CIQ's control.
Cease and Desist this, a$$holes.
Edit: I would be remiss if I didn't take a moment to express my thanks to the entire xda community. Through good and bad, for four years I have watched some amazing development come from the members of this community. If it wasn't for the existence of this small piece of the 'internet' being here for the fostering of such ideas, this would have never been known.
those assholes are logging all my sext messages and calls, and my porn.... wheres my privacy lol
I am seeing too many (obviously from you guys) reviews crying about a locked bootloader. That is not something to cry about. Asus never promised it to be unlocked. It doesn't detract from usability or experience. It's something that affects 1% of owners who want to void their warranties.
So stop trolling the reviews. Asus already gave in, you won. Deoccupy amazon now.
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Really dude?
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I wouldn't give it a 1 star rating but to me that is one of the most important things about a tablet/phone and they DON'T list it in the specs. I would give it a 3 of 5 rating most likely. Now, it is a 5 star. Go preach to someone else about how/if/when/why to leave a review on a product.
jptech said:
I am seeing too many (obviously from you guys) reviews crying about a locked bootloader. That is not something to cry about. Asus never promised it to be unlocked. It doesn't detract from usability or experience. It's something that affects 1% of owners who want to void their warranties.
So stop trolling the reviews. Asus already gave in, you won. Deoccupy amazon now.
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Who are you to make a request like this? What does it matter to you?
Whiner thread review:
I give this thread 1 star (lowest it can go unfortunately)
Pros: None
Cons: Locked bootloader.
Was this review helpful to you? (Yes) (No)
I agree. giving the prime a bad review over bootloaser being locked is dumb and unneccessary. Asus already said they will release an unlocking tool for poeple who want to do it themselves. Asus won't unlock it for security reasons n such. so at least they giving you the option to do it yourself, at the cost of voiding warranty though.
adampdx said:
Who are you to make a request like this? What does it matter to you?
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When people don't buy the prime because of such reviews then Asus will stop making tablets and supporting of the tablets.
And i want future updates and a company like asus which supports their android products.
RussianMenace said:
Whiner thread review:
I give this thread 1 star (lowest it can go unfortunately)
Pros: None
Cons: Locked bootloader.
Was this review helpful to you? (Yes) (No)
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that's funny
sontin said:
When people don't buy the prime because of such reviews then Asus will stop making tablets and supporting of the tablets.
And i want future updates and a company like asus which supports their android products.
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I agree. The Transformer series has been revolutionary so far, and you wouldn't want Asus to stop their fine work simply because of people complaining about bootloaders.
Reall you guys have nothing better to do then making fake shop reviews? Retards.
Every person has the right to review any product how they see fit. To many people the bootloader is important, and locked it different than ENCRYPTED and locked. On top of that, ASUS has not actually said what they mean by unlocking the bootloader and won't until (if) they actually release it.
This is important information about a device that I believe should be made upfront. I, for one, would find these reviews helpful as I would have liked to know before I bought mine. People that don't understand what a bootloader is will probably ignore it anyway. If they are going by an aggregated review score then they are not making an informed decision anyway. Welcome to the Inter-webs.
Kinda like knowing what kind of tires or batteries your car takes. Some people may not care, but if it means you have only one shop you can take it too it can affect your purchasing decision.
In any case, the bootloader issue is widely reported and has shown up on every Tech News site, Android Community forums, etc. So pointing your finger here is kinda of douchey. You do realize that there was an entire social media campaign about this right? I doubt the xda-developers are the sole Android developers that use Twitter, Facebook, Google+ or Amazon.
That said if I actually had an Amazon account, hell yes I would make my opinions known on the tablet I purchased. And I could really care less if you liked my opinion or not. You always have an option of posting your opinion and I will not hold your against you.
jptech said:
I am seeing too many (obviously from you guys) reviews crying about a locked bootloader. That is not something to cry about. Asus never promised it to be unlocked. It doesn't detract from usability or experience. It's something that affects 1% of owners who want to void their warranties.
So stop trolling the reviews. Asus already gave in, you won. Deoccupy amazon now.
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Really you came here to post that? I mean who are you? CEO of Asus? Why should you care about what people say about it. If you're happy then great. I originally ordered from amazon, but they cancel on me so I can't comment there, but I would about the GPS, it's not functional and people should know so they can make a buying decission. And if they lock it and some people find that's not a problem then they won't care about it.
UmbraeSoulsbane said:
To many people the bootloader is important, and locked it different than ENCRYPTED and locked
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To many people HERE. Not on amazon. and for those wondering, I'm an active prime member of the amazon community. I read and write product reviews. And I hate seeing whiners nerd about something the average consumer doesn't even know about.
I wouldn't worry too much about this, it was simply a strategic measure to get Asus to respond (by threatening their sales).... which worked. Fortunately, the reviews/stars on Amazon are able to be edited/updated, so now that Asus has given in to the demands of unlocking the bootloader, the XDA community can simply update their rating to what ever they see fit (which by the way, many have already done).
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This is petition to let HTC know that us with their tablets want the latest version of android for our devices, even if HTC dosent think we need it, it brings numerous great ne features, such as Face Unlock, Google Chrome, updated camera functionality, speed improvments, and much more!
The people signing this petition are people who own or atleast support this product and want to see it get the latest updates and features avalible, those who own the device bought it so that they could get the great support from HTC, and would like to have their money be well spent, so, in hopes of succeding, please update our devices to Google Android 4.0.4 (or whatever the latest version is)
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/480/...ew-jetstream-jetstream-4g-android-40-upgrade/
Signed it, but I doubt it would make any difference.
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Signed. I don't think it'll make a difference, but anything is worth trying right?
Signed!
Signed! And really hope it makes a difference!
Signed, but I also don't think this will make any difference unfortunately.
I have emailed their support asking them for a proper answer to why this decision was taken and I think you all should do the same. If you get a cut and paste answer you should ask them again until they give in and give you a non-template answer.
i signed it, but i don't even own a flyer! . Just want to get those sh*ttakers at HTC to to something for their customers. I owned a Nexus One and on the last update they f*cked the wifi and multitouch, and they were like ''oh buy or new nexus s and you will not have any problems''. They are lazy at htc.
Whoareyou said:
This is petition to let HTC know that us with their tablets want the latest version of android for our devices, even if HTC dosent think we need it, it brings numerous great ne features, such as Face Unlock, Google Chrome, updated camera functionality, speed improvments, and much more!
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Suggest you amend the petition to include:
"If HTC concludes that it is not a viable business decision to update Flyer/View and other legacy devices, please release drivers and source code to the enthusiast community so that they can more rapidly fix bugs and continue to promote and support HTC devices."
It's somewhat more likely that they will release source code than waste internal man-hours on obsolete equipment. Look at it from their point of view: They make money when people buy new stuff. Why would they spend money to make the old stuff more useful? Don't hate the capitalists; learn to speak their language.
glg
glgehman said:
Suggest you amend the petition to include:
"If HTC concludes that it is not a viable business decision to update Flyer/View and other legacy devices, please release drivers and source code to the enthusiast community so that they can more rapidly fix bugs and continue to promote and support HTC devices."
It's somewhat more likely that they will release source code than waste internal man-hours on obsolete equipment. Look at it from their point of view: They make money when people buy new stuff. Why would they spend money to make the old stuff more useful? Don't hate the capitalists; learn to speak their language.
glg
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just because its obsolete, its still delivered with a NDA agreement.
the source and its associated hardware is for some 3rd parties , still with NDA and license, which means none of its source code can be distributed in its original sourcecode form, and can only be publically used and distributed in a binary form.
so i doubt that you will see any complete source tree for the Flyer technology, as the scribe technology proprietary solution is still a NDA contract service, and licensed as well.
Signed it !!!!!!!
Signed!.... Thanks
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I've noticed people in the flyer and jetstream fora are complaining that the ics update.isn't happening, well, maybe instead of complaining you all should try to make a small difference and sight the petition so we can have atleast a little hope of getting it. As of rift now I think we have 180 signatures, we should get to ATLEAST 1000 so share it on google+ and Twitter and facebook, we shall succeed
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Petitions like this are useless because they have no business impact on the vendor. They have already sold you a tablet and you won't be buying another for at least a year, so you are not a consideration in future business. If you want to have an impact hit HTC in the only thing that counts, sales in the near future. I encourage all of you to forget petitions and take every opportunity to become involved in reviews of new products and use those opportunities to comment on how HTC treats support, upgrades, locked bootloaders etc. This has far more potential impact because new buyers read the reviews and comments and can then make informed decisions to buy or not to buy a vendor's products.
pheh, if you (I) dont try who will? and how do we know if we dont try, im trying to get this going, im trying to get ics for our devices
Whoareyou said:
pheh, if you (I) dont try who will? and how do we know if we dont try, im trying to get this going, im trying to get ics for our devices
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You will see a ICS on the Flyer, but not from HTC
As for HTC, I'm done, my next smartphone and tablet will not carry the HTC Logo and neither will those of my close friends whom i'm persuading to look elsewhere
I agree, I signed it I don't think it'll do any good but it's worth a shot, not like it takes any extra time
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using XDA
Cor-master said:
I agree, I signed it I don't think it'll do any good but it's worth a shot, not like it takes any extra time
Sent from my HTC PH39100 using XDA
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exactly
Signed.
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Signed.
Signed!
bump for those who havent seen it yet
Forgive me if this topic has been beat to death elsewhere in the forum, but I have not found any discussion on this, here in the General forum at least.
I know we don't even have a stable ICS build yet, but...I remain hopeful.
Should I bother to even hope for Jelly Bean on my shiny new Droid X2? Yes, I am new to the X2..it was my wife's decision, it has to do with being on the Verizon network on a re-seller for half the price and twice the data and no contracts. Anyway, I'm not giving up on the X2 just yet but I might down the road if Jelly Bean is not even an option for us, which is why I am asking.
Thanks!
I doubt Jellybean is coming to the Droid X2, at least by way of an OTA update.
CM9 is in early alpha on the X2, but despite this, I highly recommend it. It's relatively stable, in my experience.
However, Jellybean depends on many more kernel modifications than ICS. It's unlikely, granted the difficulty of porting to an earlier kernel, that JB will be ported. At least until Motorola unlocks bootloaders, but I doubt that will ever happen.
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It looks like dzk is working on it from looking at his twitter.
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If you check Dragonzkiller’s tweets you will see he is already working on jb for the x2.
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Fully functional? Not until we get an unlocked bootloader, everything that will actually work on our kernal? Whenever dkz somehow finds the time... I don't see how it's possible but time and again he does the impossible. I have no doubt that we have been spoiled with the best of the best in our dev.
cm7dx2
To get JB, you have to have ICS first. There will not be an official ICS for the X2 as Motorola has already stated that.
DZK, as others have stated, has begun work on CM10 for the X2 which is JB. However, CM10 overall for everyone is in VERY early alpha stages at this point in time. Remember, JB is just Android 4.1, so it's still ICS-based which means, you're still going to have all the memory issues that ICS and CM9 is currently experiencing.
Without an unlocked bootloader, replacing the kernel is impossible (unless they can get KEXEC working correctly). Otherwise, DZK will have to program around the kernel which means it's still using GB APIs and memory management which is what is causing a whole host of issues with getting ICS to run properly on the X2. But even then, that won't solve all the issues as it comes down to the hardware architecture as well: Tegra chipset, 512MB memory, etc. Some say the 512mb isn't the issue as there are other 512mb phones running ICS, but from what I understand, they also are NOT Tegra-2 based and that is where the issue lies as well with how it was architected.
It's the main reason I left the X2. Motorola pretty much abandoned it and that's why I'm on a RAZR now. I would say getting JB on the RAZR is more likely than getting ICS on the X2 ever was since JB is ICS-based. Of course, by the time we would get JB on the RAZR, I'm sure android 4.2 or 5.0 will be coming out and I'm pretty sure THAT won't come to the RAZR (well, we MIGHT get 4.2). :laugh:
Dragonzkiller just tweeted a pic of JB presumably on his dx2.
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Drunkula said:
Dragonzkiller just tweeted a pic of JB presumably on his dx2.
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He sure did! Anythings possible with root and development!
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gbatt said:
Forgive me if this topic has been beat to death elsewhere in the forum, but I have not found any discussion on this, here in the General forum at least.
I know we don't even have a stable ICS build yet, but...I remain hopeful.
Should I bother to even hope for Jelly Bean on my shiny new Droid X2? Yes, I am new to the X2..it was my wife's decision, it has to do with being on the Verizon network on a re-seller for half the price and twice the data and no contracts. Anyway, I'm not giving up on the X2 just yet but I might down the road if Jelly Bean is not even an option for us, which is why I am asking.
Thanks!
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Man, don't beat yourself up too bad for having your X2. My bride has mine and there's still times I gotta pick it up snd tinker with it. Yea it's limited, but with devs like DZK and others, it keeps things interesting.
Tomsgt posted a pic of the lockscreen in the off topic thread of JB. Looks NICE!
Tomsgt said:
Dzk tweeted jb for dx2
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iBolski said:
To get JB, you have to have ICS first.
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Not true, at all.
I do agree with the rest of your post.
I have decided that Googarola is the most rotten POS out there. Coupled with the dinosaur Verizon, it is a lost cause.
The latest news from the dinosaur about continuing bootlocking is the giant signal from New York of a raised middle finger to its customers.
I salute then with a returned middle finger and add in an additional right handed up and down jerking motion.
Let this be a lesson to all: Verizon hopes to copy the"I know what's best for you" law breaking NYC Mayor Bloomberg's actions.
Here's a Bronx cheer to Verizon and Googarola: "See yahs, we ain't doing no more business any more!"
---Sent from my Higgs Boson particle busting communicator brought back from the 23rd century.---
You clearly didn't get the message about profits. How can moto keep selling you new hardware if they always make your old phone better???
And how can Verizon charge you and exrar $10 for each and every useful feature if you get them for free from hackers. Comon buddy , get in the game. Companies have to make their obscene profits somehow.
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You clearly didn't get the message about profits. How can moto keep selling you new hardware if they always make your old phone better???
And how can Verizon charge you and exrar $10 for each and every useful feature if you get them for free from hackers. Comon buddy , get in the game. Companies have to make their obscene profits somehow.
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bro, how does samsung do it? they unlock their bootloaders (exception of the vzw consumer sg3) and still sell their phones
explain that please
ztotherad said:
bro, how does samsung do it? they unlock their bootloaders (exception of the vzw consumer sg3) and still sell their phones
explain that please
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I think he's providing some well deserved sarcasm my way.
I work in speech recognition and find US carriers to be smoking some nasty weed that makes them believe that they are Ma Bell in 1954.
~~~Sent from my Googarola sphincter, pointed in the direction of Verizon HQ.~~~
Guilden_NL said:
I think he's providing some well deserved sarcasm my way.
I work in speech recognition and find US carriers to be smoking some nasty weed that makes them believe that they are Ma Bell in 1954.
~~~Sent from my Googarola sphincter, pointed in the direction of Verizon HQ.~~~
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okay, that made no sense at all
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It was total sarcasm. Verizon has been hitting the cocaine mainstream for 10 years, but some people still pay the devil his due.
While spending time in Taiwan I thought I would try to reach out to HTC and see if could be put in touch with someone at the company. I figured that while I was in the country it would be worth to shot to see if I could contact someone sympathetic to the ROM development (or even the Jetstream) cause.
I felt that as someone who has (an albeit tiny) body of HTC device development work that I might merit a vaguely personalized form letter that politely amounted to go away! I certainly didn't have any illusions of grandeur nor am I naive to the fact that companies regularly want to distance themselves from perceived failure.
It began with a tweet directed at HTCDev requesting a tour.
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I didn't receive the courtesy of a reply, but you can be the judge of whether that was merited.
Next I contacted HTCDev via their HTML contact form. You know those forms that you fill out only half expecting the contents to actually be delivered? I received the following automated reply a little later.
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After a few days in true corporate fashion I received another automated reply. The following is that reply.
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Dear Finn,
Thank you for contacting HTC Corporation.
Regarding your inquiry, we have forwarded your message to related department.
But we are so sorry about that we do not have any program that is suitable for you.
Thank you for your continuous support of our products and services.
Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
HTC
I had hoped for some resemblance of a human reply, but I am left disappointed. I am happy that I tried.
So there you have it. I'm sure other better people than I have tried more earnestly to contact HTC, but I thought I would share my lone attempt. The most disappointing thing about it all is that it is not very surprising.
when the jetstream was new and the disappointment fresh, i tried getting their attention through their facebook page and emails. they blamed at&t for the lack of development and ignored the device from that point forward. its nice of you to try.
on the some-what good news, last i asked show_p what's shaking (2 weeks ago) and he said he's got something planned to fix the crashing, and he should get to it in two weeks. (that means this week) i don't wanna bother him just yet, but maybe he'll get the job done.
guru_shastri said:
when the jetstream was new and the disappointment fresh, i tried getting their attention through their facebook page and emails. they blamed at&t for the lack of development and ignored the device from that point forward.
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You've been carrying the water around here for a while and it is time that someone shared the load!
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last i asked show_p what's shaking (2 weeks ago) and he said he's got something planned to fix the crashing, and he should get to it in two weeks. (that means this week) i don't wanna bother him just yet, but maybe he'll get the job done.
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He is a persistent and hard working guy. He'll probably get it someday.
guru_shastri said:
when the jetstream was new and the disappointment fresh, i tried getting their attention through their facebook page and emails. they blamed at&t for the lack of development and ignored the device from that point forward. its nice of you to try.
on the some-what good news, last i asked show_p what's shaking (2 weeks ago) and he said he's got something planned to fix the crashing, and he should get to it in two weeks. (that means this week) i don't wanna bother him just yet, but maybe he'll get the job done.
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Cosidering this is how HTC does updates, they have no right to blame AT&T.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2585865
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To all whom are interested, (minor gossip, insider story), no I'm not HTC employee nor contractor. ok ok may be a next next next door neighbor, which I purposes walk across to look at their pretty receptionist (I'm just joking too).
Anyway, I am in China, HK, TW, consumer grade manufacturing industries, hence would like to share these two possibilities.
1) I suspect this tablet was an AT&T initiative from the very beginning, An AT&T owned project, then open tender to couple of designers and manufacturers, notably HTC, Asus, etc and HTC won the job. All development costs will be billed $$$$, man hours, prototypes, tooling, ALT, MoQ, etc. Under such conditions AT&T would be hard pressed on costs for a rom upgrade, because many man hours not only on developments but testings thousands of accumulated functions and features.
2) But there's also a possibly of 2nd scenario, which is HTC self designed and build the Jetstream and knocked on many Telco's door to sell it.
Under my observation of North America availability only, no where else in the world, it's more likely a AT&T initiated project. So, no money no upgrade.
Come to think of it, it has 4G, first amongst tablet? It must be an AT&T initiative.
End.
DNarsingh said:
Cosidering this is how HTC does updates, they have no right to blame AT&T.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2585865
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@DNarsingh, great link, a picture says a thousand word.
can not flash new rom
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