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that's right, is doesn't work on the Vibrant.
guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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guess what it does not work on vibrant 2.1
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It appears that it doesn't work on any galaxy s phone..
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It's a POS app
no Video calling
no group calling
They waited this long to release this Garbage?
Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
Galaxy S owners get the shaft ... yet again! Maybe we should just recognize the fact that AT&T/iPhone 4 is the best game in town and quit trying to play catch up.
There is a GPS fix that allows it to work excellent. Get over it.
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Well, at least we all now know a little more about the two of you. I don't blame you entirely for your disgraceful behavior. Surely your upbringing had a lot to do with it.
I don't see how what I said was inflammatory but perhaps it was misperceived. Allow me to explain: I paid $500 for this device. I honestly don't even need the phone aspect of it. I just need it to access the internet (email, web, etc), then as a media player, and then occasionally as a GPS device. The calling capabilities are literally icing on the cake. Let's just skip the whole GPS part since that needs no introduction. It simply doesn't work (unless you consider your location jumping around every 10 seconds "working" ... yeah, what fun it is to be hearing erroneous directions from your GPS device). T-mobile's voice and data services have been quite paltry in my experience. Calls drop quite often and that's something many Tmo subscribers complain about, especially near downtown and on a NexusOne. Moreover, data takes FOREVER to connect. I could be getting 4mbps/2mbps one second, then 750k/300k the next, then incessant data connection attempts with no data being transmitted ... until I reboot my phone. WTF??? A month ago I was driving from Dallas to San Antonio and got nothing but Edge the whole way down ... all along an interstate highway (albeit one of the worst I've ever seen) ... the phone was even occasionally switching to "G" and it took me forever to remember what that stood for ... GPRS!!! I haven't seen that since the 90s.
If you guys think it is acceptable to get ripped off like that, for hardware and services, by all means continue condoning and promoting Tmo and Sammy's failures and inaction by rewarding them for all that. These phones went on sale 7/15, around the same time Tmo announced their HSPA+ network. Three months later, you expect at least "an" action. No credits, no buy-backs, no remedies ... only failed promises. If you bought a car that couldn't perform as advertised and spec'd, I'm sure you would act differently.
But ... judging from your comments above, you guys are entirely worthy of your fate.
Best,
DCC
P.S. I dislike Apple fanboys just as much as the next guy but at some point we all need to man up to the facts ... the iPhone has the best user experience ... and Windows Phone 7 offers the best development experience (trust me, I have written/am writing apps for all three). The only thing positive about Android in my opinion is the tight integration of all the Google apps and services ... which oddly are not favored by many Android fans on this site ... in addition, they are increasingly being integrated in the other platforms as well (albeit not fast enough). Again, why Android? If it's because you want to be this decade's equivalent of the 90s' Linux geek who spends all day customizing the OS and the environment instead of actually using it and putting to good use, then have fun! Don't feel bad ... most people do not learn from history's lessons either!
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
As for the OP, Skype went downhill once they went to bed with the big red.
So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Believe me I hear you, but you make your case weak. Individual experience differs from Joe to Jane.
The biggest advantage of Android over the other's is the hardware support for every major mobile manufacturer.
And Windows Mobile 7? We will see how the numbers look by the Xmas.
Yes, I am a linux geek, but I didn't purchase my phone because I am one.
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I really wanted Android to succeed but it hasn't and I'm not necessarily blaming Android itself. I just don't see how I can choose it when the hardware and carrier are dropping the ball. All three (OS, hardware, carrier) are part and parcel. "Hardware support" is not enough when the hardware itself is not cutting it. First the Hero had build quality and connectivity issues, now the Vibrant has an elusive Froyo build and major GPS issues (in response to a previous post, I have yet to see a truly working "fix" and I have installed most if not all of them ... whoever claims it's now perfectly working is smoking something he/she should share with the rest of us).
Thank you for keeping an open mind and I do agree with you that individual experiences will vary but let's agree that this forum is proof that there are major unaddressed problems with this phone.
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So why do you have a tmo vibrant? Why not get an i*hone? There are pros and cons to any device and any carrier...
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Thank you for applying intelligence and not resorting to childish name-calling ... simply put, I left AT&T after a decade of being their customer because my non-iPhone superphones (usually purchased from abroad but compatible with US 3G) were being intentionally disregarded by their network in favor of the iPhone devices out there ... $110 a month for a discriminating data service is not acceptable. iPhones are also a little "too user-friendly" for me. I preferred a more open platform. At this point though, I will settle for a device that "just works". That is what every iPhone user will tell you out there ... the s*** just works. A phone is something that should enable you to do things with it, whether it's productivity, app development, multimedia, services, etc. A phone is not a perpetual hack factory, at least not as a primary device. If people want a side project to play with, great. What I have seen on this forum though is that most people need a phone that works for them, not the other way around.
I am waiting for the first generation WP7 phones to roll out and see what drama will ensue, if any. As you very astutely stated, "there are pros and cons to any device and any carrier". I really enjoy the WP7 mobile app development environment and so long as the phones are not involved in yet another fiasco, I will most likely get one. If not, the iPhone it is.
I'm not trolling and I do not mean to offend hard-core Linux super-users/developers but this business of shoddy phones, shoddy service and endless "hacking" is not right when we're all paying 50-100 a month for service and 200-500 for devices. I am surprised that people are not up in arms about it. There really needs to be a class-action lawsuit over this. I know, a handful of lawyers will just make a shipload of money. Still, companies cannot get away with this sort of negligence. This isn't the first time and it sure as heck won't be the last.
Vote with your dollars and best luck to you,
DCC
If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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If browse over the iphone forums you will see the plethora of posts complaining about this and that on the iphone too.
There is no magic cookie cater for anything, you will always find something to be not up to your standards.
What confuses me the most is people complaining about the features that are not being the prime in the market cliché they are shopping - for instance, neither Android nor iOS are good examples of the enterprise use, but people still insist that my phone does not integrate well with my corporate Exchange environment the way I *want* hence the product sucks.
Everything has its pluses and minuses, it's up to an individual to weigh in the pros and cons to make a conscious buying decision.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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It's really disheartening to see android sinking like this because if googles ignorant attitude. I agree with you, if google woukd be a bit more proactive like Apple or Microsoft (now that they revamped) and set a standard for the OS requirement, quality control. We can all breath better. I have a bad feeling that once wm7 hit, Android will be the new WM6.5, a cheap buggy and unorganized akternative for manuftre and carriers.
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Thank you for chiming in. Hopefully Android will survive, even if only because competition is a good thing. I think most of the issues faced today (so-called fragmentation, etc) will be resolved in the re-architecture being introduced in Android 3.0. I'm more concerned about the carriers and hardware manufacturers closing up shop after a phone has been released and only looking forward to the next model. What good is it if Android survives and succeeds if I am the one left holding the dud? "Oh, just pay another two to five hundred dollars." The worst part is that the user/owner community turns a blind eye to the egregious failures in the name of fandom. That is NOT the way to organize and effect change.
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I really want to say "I hear ya" but here's the deal ...
a) I glanced over the iPhone fora and I am not seeing anything glaring ... mostly basic user ignorance (configuration / customization issues)
b) all the iPhone users I have asked what their biggest complaint is about their phone give me the same "huh?" look ... their phone just works
c) all the major issues with iPhone 4 were addressed with some sort of fix or another, even if all it took was a rubber band ... I have friends who exchanged their phone well after the 30 days because of the proximity sensor issue (just as an example) ... clearly, Apple took ownership of resolving the deal-breaking issues
When I walked into a T-mobile store after the first 30 days and said "I will not put up with this GPS BS" they kindly restated their return policy, gave me Samsung's support number and sent me on my not-so-merry way. When I contacted Samsung, I was told to simply wait for the update as there was no fix for it so a replacement wouldn't accomplish anything. The customer service rep literally laughed when I mentioned a return of the product for refund.
You're absolutely right ... there will always be issues but this isn't a matter of preference or individual taste ... these companies are failing to deliver what they promised and what we have paid for and rightfully deserve. I am in no way saying that the iPhone is perfect; I'm sure I would have something to complain about from time to time ... but when I borrow friends' phones to "play" with, the iPhone is fast and responsive and hasn't failed me once. Load SpeedTest side-by-side. The "Begin Test" button lights up literally instantly. I know the Galaxy S phones have the same hardware. Why is it they can't be as responsive?
As I previously mentioned, I was with AT&T (or one of the companies it acquired or merged with) for over a decade until the Hero came out and I switched to Sprint. Then I went to T-mobile for the Vibrant. I will just make my rounds until I find something that works. My problem is that I get way too overexcited about the technology and jump ship before it has had a chance to prove itself. Right now the iPhone 4 has proved itself fairly well. As I said though, as a mobile apps developer, I really want WP7 to work out so I will _try_ to wait and see. The development experience is "magnifique!"
Best,
DCC
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I guess I went to the apple forums before the proximity sensor issues were resolved, and it was Vibrant GPS Redux over there.
I am glad that Apple took care of the problem after a few updates to their iOS, but as with the GPS issues on our phones the proximity sensor should've been caught during the QA, I am not gonna say anything about Antennagate.
Hopefully GPS will be patched for good on the Vibrant too, and no I do not need the proof that it is addressed with the latest update - faster locks does not mean accuracy.
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Fring was doing an excellent job, until Skype shut them down.
UGH SKYPE is a POS company
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Its those bloody Iphone Users that were clogging up the servers using Fring that caused fring to gett banned from skype
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Don't let Skype off the hook though ... I used to be a big fan of theirs but they've been very slow with delivering platform-specific clients and they seem to be playing favorites and such. Closing the door on fring, a very, very open solution out there, was a deplorable thing to do.
It doesn't matter folks ... when Google comes out with their VOIP service, and you KNOW they will (Gizmo5 acquisition, etc), all these other (dis-)services will be obliterated. I predict Google will establish its own data-only cell carrier (cause data is all you need anyway) ... hopefully within the next 2-3 years.
I know this thread kinda derailed off topic, but imma put my two cents in.
I do kinda agree with DCC, at my workplace pretty much everyone has some sort of smart phone. When the subject of phones comes up, I am the first one to bang my chest and yell ANDROID~!
But the sad truth is, iphone users like the iphone because IT DOES WHAT THEY NEED IT TO DO. they really dont care about all the stuff we have come to love about android.
So they are happy and content, while we are up till the wee hrs of the morning trying to make our phones have a milli-second faster lol.
And to me its not really trying to make our phones better than the iphone, its me just making my phone better than it was.
I am disappointed in samsung about the lag issue and the gps issue.
I dont complain about it though, cause we are all here at this website to make our phones better than it is from stock. and I am 100 percent sure , once its said and done, this phone will more than satisfy me.
As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
Where are you guys reading or hearing these things from?
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As far as I've read, Fring violated Skype's API and when they were challenged Fring, instead of changing their code, resolved to drop Skype support altogether. It's basically Fring's fault for not playing according to the rules. Fring issued a statement saying that Skype blocked them. It's an unlikely story since Skype has a fairly open API and would be leaving itself open to lawsuit if they did so.
blogs.skype.com/en/2010/07/fring.html
Where are you guys reading or hearing these things from?
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Umm, definitely NOT from either side's highly partial blog, that's for sure ... which, by the way, you are misquoting. Fring did not drop Skype support all together. They temporarily disabled video calls because Skype and the carriers were *****ing about it (due to the excessive load on their networks). Then they were suddenly blocked from routing connections through Skype. This is an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring who stands alone and is one of the most open companies out there.
I get it, no one here really knows what happened when and why but ... Skype is no victim. On the other hand, the Objectivist in me says Skype should have every right to deny Fring (or any individual, company or group in the world) access to their systems. I just wish they would come out and say it instead of being all sly about it.
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Saying that a company violated API publicly when they didn't is libel.
Just answer the question, your smugness, where did you get your info (especially seeing as you're stating that it's an obvious behind-closed-doors ganging up of Skype+carrier(s) against Fring. I guess you're one of these people behind these closed doors?
Lemme get your "jump to conclusions" board for you.
hey guys i need the .tar and . pit files for the leaked froyo as fast as possible. lets just say if my mom hears what i did to her phone im dead. i really need this as fast as you guys can. thanks
Here's the latest Unofficial Stock Froyo 2.2 ROM for the T-Mobile Vibrant flashable through ODIN: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881542 and you can grab the pit file from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734475
But next time post in the correct section and search first. It took me seconds to grab this for you.
As a Parent............. take my advice "it is better to ask permission than to beg for forgiveness"
Good Luck................
oka1 said:
As a Parent............. take my advice "it is better to ask permission than to beg for forgiveness"
Good Luck................
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No you have it backwards. It is much easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.
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hey guys i need the .tar and . pit files for the leaked froyo as fast as possible. lets just say if my mom hears what i did to her phone im dead. i really need this as fast as you guys can. thanks
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Hope you backed up... I'm sure she won't notice all her data missing
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Hope you backed up... I'm sure she won't notice all her data missing
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Hahahaha! Then he has to log into her google account to sync contacts! Hope he knows her password!
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Let's not forget other email accounts. Oh he'll be starting the new years grounded for sure.
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As a Parent............. take my advice "it is better to ask permission than to beg for forgiveness"
Good Luck................
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How about this. Parents don't give your children cell phones. If they must have one for safety reasons, give them a free cell phone that only makes 911 calls.
I'm sorry, but I consider any parent who gives any child or teen a cell phone as a bad parent. There is absolutely no reason a child or teen needs a cell phone, even if they earned the money themselves. If I have a child one day, my child will need to be moved out of the home, paying their own rent, their own car insurance, their own bills, then they can get themselves a cell phone that makes more than just 911 calls.
You can also bet for sure I would know my child is visiting online forums and I would know what they are posting. Too many children and teens have free reign these days, they do what they want, when they want, without any consequences.
And NO, making a deal with your children that they get straight A's shouldn't be a reason to get them a phone either. You're child should do their best in school to succeed in life and to gain knowledge, to became cultured, open minded and to learn, not to have mommy and daddy buy them things. Since when did bargaining with children become ok?
BTW, I initially misread, it appears this child above took the phone without their parents permission.
Why would you use your moms phone in the first place?
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Just a quick question michaelg117, what is your mother doing with a leaked copy of Fr
Just a quick question michaelg117, what is your mother doing with a leaked copy of Froyo?
Most parents give their children phones these days as sort of an electronic tether...
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I am a parent, and I agree that kids don't need cell phones. We didn't have them growing up, and I think we're better for it!
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Most parents give their children phones these days as sort of an electronic tether...
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Na still bad parenting, if you have to give your child a cell phone to know where they are at all hours of the night, means you are a bad parent. Hmmm let me give my child a cell phone, so I can call him or her 3 in the morning to find out why little Tommy isn't home yet. Ya that makes sense.
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Na still bad parenting, if you have to give your child a cell phone to know where they are at all hours of the night, means you are a bad parent. Hmmm let me give my child a cell phone, so I can call him or her 3 in the morning to find out why little Tommy isn't home yet. Ya that makes sense.
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You obviously didn't have the best upbringing, so shut up about parenting. People like you are what cause ass holes who move out and get DUIs and spread STDs across college campuses...
ok the kid did something and hasnt posted back . i figure its fixed and this thread about parenting is supposed to be dead.
degeneration said:
You obviously didn't have the best upbringing, so shut up about parenting. People like you are what cause ass holes who move out and get DUIs and spread STDs across college campuses...
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Actually I had an excellent upbringing. Never got into drugs, never been in trouble with the law, I have an impressive education, and I'm an ethical and moral person.
I pay over a grand every two months for my LADWP bill, and several hundred dollars for gas, plus several types of insurance, phobe bill, tv, etc. If I ever have a punk child that thinks living under my roof is free, then yes, they will be kicked out of my home, they will learn a lesson. Let him/her go into the real world and realize that even water from the faucet comes with a price tag.
BTW everyone in my family was raised the same way, and my family is extremely successful, with many doctors and attorneys.
Except for my uncle who should have NEVER had a child, because he does not know how to parent. My cousin who is currently 17 does what he wants when he wants, without his father saying anything to him. He was kicked out of high school for selling drugs and nearly killing another student who overdosed from drugs he sold. This little punk cousin of mine sleeps in until 3 pm and stays out all hours of the night. He has been living that life for about a year now.
Took me about a month but I got that little prick straightend out. Told him that I am notifying the authorities that he is under age and not attending school despite his fathers wishes, and yes I was very serious. With the permission of his father I had his cell phone canceled, his computer is gone, he is no longer allowed to stay out at nights. He is now enrolled in his local community college in a program designed for high school drop outs, I told him he has no other option but to enroll, no negotiating. I have communication with the coordinator of the program and I'm keeping tabs on him.
Please don't tell me what is good parenting and what is bad parenting. He was a disgrace to our family and I told it to his face. If you want to act like an adult then you will be spoken to that way, you will get your ass out of the house and pay your own bills, and if it means you need to learn a hard lesson or two, then so be it.
Any man and woman can make a baby, but not everyone knows how to parent.
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How about this. Parents don't give your children cell phones. If they must have one for safety reasons, give them a free cell phone that only makes 911 calls.
I'm sorry, but I consider any parent who gives any child or teen a cell phone as a bad parent. There is absolutely no reason a child or teen needs a cell phone, even if they earned the money themselves. If I have a child one day, my child will need to be moved out of the home, paying their own rent, their own car insurance, their own bills, then they can get themselves a cell phone that makes more than just 911 calls.
You can also bet for sure I would know my child is visiting online forums and I would know what they are posting. Too many children and teens have free reign these days, they do what they want, when they want, without any consequences.
And NO, making a deal with your children that they get straight A's shouldn't be a reason to get them a phone either. You're child should do their best in school to succeed in life and to gain knowledge, to became cultured, open minded and to learn, not to have mommy and daddy buy them things. Since when did bargaining with children become ok?
BTW, I initially misread, it appears this child above took the phone without their parents permission.
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Dude... no offense but you sound like a douche bag... please don't have kids. There are plenty of reasons for teenagers to have smart phones. I for one attend a lot of competitions and events for school clubs and teams. The ability to look up information in a bus, navigate through a city, and stay in touch with chaperons and other students is vital during such situations. For example, this summer I went to Nashville for the FBLA national conference to compete in Network Design. I used my phone to navigate around the city, stay in touch with chaperons and the students, as well as find vital information, such as where you can get food without being mugged. etc.
But in all honesty, the OP is an idiot. Not for stealing his mom's phone, but for stealing his mom's phone and screwing it up.... The vibrant is one of the hardest phones to get into an unusable state...
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Dude... no offense but you sound like a douche bag... please don't have kids. There are plenty of reasons for teenagers to have smart phones. I for one attend a lot of competitions and events for school clubs and teams. The ability to look up information in a bus, navigate through a city, and stay in touch with chaperons and other students is vital during such situations. For example, this summer I went to Nashville for the FBLA national conference to compete in Network Design. I used my phone to navigate around the city, stay in touch with chaperons and the students, as well as find vital information, such as where you can get food without being mugged. etc.
But in all honesty, the OP is an idiot. Not for stealing his mom's phone, but for stealing his mom's phone and screwing it up.... The vibrant is one of the hardest phones to get into an unusable state...
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You still don't need one. I have another cousin who was on her speach and debate team at school, she also was on the swim team, and is actively involved with our church. She was also accepted to and started school at Stanford in the Fall. She did all of those extra-curricular activites without a cell phone. I guarantee you, if my aunt had been a bad parent and had allowed her to have a cell phone, and twitter and myspace and all that other bull, there is no way she would be at Stanford right now.
It's all in the parenting.
SamsungVibrant said:
How about this. Parents don't give your children cell phones. If they must have one for safety reasons, give them a free cell phone that only makes 911 calls.
I'm sorry, but I consider any parent who gives any child or teen a cell phone as a bad parent. There is absolutely no reason a child or teen needs a cell phone, even if they earned the money themselves. If I have a child one day, my child will need to be moved out of the home, paying their own rent, their own car insurance, their own bills, then they can get themselves a cell phone that makes more than just 911 calls.
You can also bet for sure I would know my child is visiting online forums and I would know what they are posting. Too many children and teens have free reign these days, they do what they want, when they want, without any consequences.
And NO, making a deal with your children that they get straight A's shouldn't be a reason to get them a phone either. You're child should do their best in school to succeed in life and to gain knowledge, to became cultured, open minded and to learn, not to have mommy and daddy buy them things. Since when did bargaining with children become ok?
BTW, I initially misread, it appears this child above took the phone without their parents permission.
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Lol. No offense, but it is glaringly obvious that you have
An opinion that screams, "I have no idea what it is to be a parent Or know what it is like to have kids."
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Who ever think that teens can't have cell phones smh at ya... some teens have phone for the same reasons u "adults" have
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What's your highest GB (data) usage in a month and has there been any drawbacks? Looking for throttling thresholds, random radio/connectivity drops, or actual examples of other potential risks. Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether.
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Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether.
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So you don't want our input if we're rooted and using free tethering? They would throttle a 20gb/month video watcher the same as a 20gb/month tetherer.
And if I'm wrong in my assumption, then I can tell you my wife uses about 300-550mb per night playing Rift through my OpenGarden tether. Monthly, I would guess it averages about 6300mb usage, not including the random times I allow people to connect while waiting in school lines to pick up kids and at neighborhood parties (my friends are starting to loath AT&T).
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So you don't want our input if we're rooted and using free tethering? They would throttle a 20gb/month video watcher the same as a 20gb/month tetherer.
And if I'm wrong in my assumption, then I can tell you my wife uses about 300-550mb per night playing Rift through my OpenGarden tether. Monthly, I would guess it averages about 6300mb usage, not including the random times I allow people to connect while waiting in school lines to pick up kids and at neighborhood parties (my friends are starting to loath AT&T).
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Thanks for allowing me to clarify, at this point, I'll certainly take all the input I can get but recently I started using tether pretty heavily due to photography for my kids sports and also acquiring an ipad. I finished last month with just under 8GB, to the point the MyVerizon both online and in the app still reads as being around 8GB even tho my cycle was supposed to reset 2 days ago. Because I went over 5GB or maybe even 6 or 7 of the 8 total GB I used last month were more than likely in the past week or so, I have a feeling my understanding of throttling is off. I have had my data conectivity be super shotty and in some cases, downloads and uploads are failing entirely.
We can obviously all speculate on whether they can see Wireless Tether (cheated, not paying) and such, but the usage doesn't lie. Hoping to speak to other users that actually use it heavily and their experiences as for how throttling works and if they experience any other subtle things to be aware of, that's all. Way more long winded than it needed to be, my bad on the novel.
I cleared 25 gig last month. No signs of throttling so far as I can tell.
Damn, 25GB, no ****... what are you streaming/tethering if I may ask, an xbox360/ps3?
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Damn, 25GB, no ****... what are you streaming/tethering if I may ask, an xbox360/ps3?
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I watched about 5 seasons of "The X Files", a movie or 2, and some "Breaking Bad".
the most i've done is nearly 20GB and that's with 3G. never got anything from verizon in regards to usage.
once 4G is available here i'm probably going to do a hell of a lot more then that and we'll see then.
i have 4g and ive used 5 gb in one day downloading a game and no throttling (rooted using wireless tether). to clarify "throttling" is when they slow down your internet because your using it too much. this happens regardless of whether or not your paying to tether because they do it for just the data you use on your phone as well, but sometimes it takes a while for them to catch it or they never even do. they cant tell that your using wireless tether specifically, but they can tell your using a lot of data so they will throttle you. if your worried about them charging you for going over your data limit, just remove the tethering feature and use wireless tether. then if you go over just tell them it was all on your phone and theres no way they can prove you wrong since according to them you cant be tethering since your not paying them for there services. thank god for rooting though eh?
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Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether.
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Please state your question in complete sentences using proper English.
mike.s said:
Please state your question in complete sentences using proper English.
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Wrote that from my phone dip**** and that wasn't a question, the larger question was addressed earlier in the thread.
DNak206 said:
Wrote that from my phone dip**** and that wasn't a question, the larger question was addressed earlier in the thread.
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no need to start a war by cursing (it's also against xda rules). Your sentence did not make sense (with or without shortened words). I recommend a better keyboard like swiftkey or swype if your current one is too hard to use. It just makes it harder to help when one has to guess what you are saying.
well they are doing something,as soon as I hit 20gigs full brakes down to 3g speed on 4g network,that was about 8 says ago,and now this morning gettin 15+ down in sioux falls
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no need to start a war by cursing (it's also against xda rules). Your sentence did not make sense (with or without shortened words). I recommend a better keyboard like swiftkey or swype if your current one is too hard to use. It just makes it harder to help when one has to guess what you are saying.
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Reading the sentence again:
"Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether."
Please only actual use cases (are you familiar w/ this term?, not USE as in to-use something, use-CASES.. examples, specifics, I think you missed how I intended that. No typos there but definitely could've been worded better.)
Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals (self explanatory? Referring to people that are actually tethering in the same fashion, not someone that wants to paste in language from our agreements or can technically confirm Verizon can't see/prove our usage, but from other users actually doing what I'm doing.)
Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether." (this one need explaining too? see above re: hypotheticals)
Given, the sentence wasn't written well but in seeing some of this Sam guys other posts, he apparently gets off by jumping in and offering majority of times criticism over actual substance to be helpful.
DNak206 said:
Reading the sentence again:
"Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether."
Please only actual use cases (are you familiar w/ this term?, not USE as in to-use something, use-CASES.. examples, specifics, I think you missed how I intended that. No typos there but definitely could've been worded better.)
Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals (self explanatory? Referring to people that are actually tethering in the same fashion, not someone that wants to paste in language from our agreements or can technically confirm Verizon can't see/prove our usage, but from other users actually doing what I'm doing.)
Please only actual use cases not hypotheticals of actual rooted tethering (non-paying). Use Wireless Tether." (this one need explaining too? see above re: hypotheticals)
Given, the sentence wasn't written well but in seeing some of this Sam guys other posts, he apparently gets off by jumping in and offering majority of times criticism over actual substance to be helpful.
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Lol, calm down dude . I do agree with you that the other guy reminds me of the old guy in a neighborhood that screams at kids to very off his lawn. Sometimes he posts useful stuff, but mostly just angry stuff.
All good man, I'm calm. If I could just tether and feel "safe" about it (getting there, but still not 150% like I'd PREFER to be) and wish this headset mic worked..
Other than that, about to take off work and enjoy my 5 day!
so i take it we shouldnt use our phones to download PS3 games?
no idea if my input is pertinent, but here it is
Rooted/nonpaying, 28gb. was mostly from dual streaming MLG Anaheim starcraft last month. Did not experience any slowing down or notice.
squeakyl said:
no idea if my input is pertinent, but here it is
Rooted/nonpaying, 28gb. was mostly from dual streaming MLG Anaheim starcraft last month. Did not experience any slowing down or notice.
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i use it a lot for Left 4 Dead 1 & 2. damn games are still addicting.
If I were a hardcore gamer, I would swear by using a landline with an ethernet cable. I haven't really gamed on consoles lately, but I think networks like xbox live do some equalizing so those with exceptional pings can't one up those that don't so much.
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If I were a hardcore gamer, I would swear by using a landline with an ethernet cable. I haven't really gamed on consoles lately, but I think networks like xbox live do some equalizing so those with exceptional pings can't one up those that don't so much.
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i dont have internet at home nor am i home much(just to sleep). when i do use my computer(laptop) its usually at the library. the wifi there is unbareably slow and loses signal often so i use pdanet with my TB.
i do all sorts of downloading with it as well as gaming.
its a pretty nice laptop at least. then again, for $1,600 it has to be.
Now we all know that social networking has become a big thing in the past few years. Even more so now that there are apps all over the place that all do the same exact thing. Which is connect you with other people around the world, but what if you want to talk with someone a bit closer?
Everywhere you look there are people on their cell phones, whether it be android based or not. However what if your little people shy and want to strike up a conversation with someone? Especially if their tied up on their phone it makes it tough to bring up a random conversation. What if there was a way to kind of interrupt them and impress them at the same time?
For instance what if your friends dragged you to a bar, bars aren't your thing and you'd rather be at home playing games on your computer or just tearing apart the latest gizmo that you got. Well you happen to notice a girl on the other side of the bar that seems rather nerdy herself that got dragged by her friends and would rather pay more attention to her phone than the drunk guys trying to hit on her.. Obviously going over and saying hi isn't really an option as she'd likely just ignore you like she's done to the rest of the guys, cause your just another drunken idiot that wants to get in her pants (at least thats whats she'd think)..
Wouldn't it be a bit more interesting to say send a message to her phone even tho you don't know her, don't know her number, and know nothing about her.. However it'd get her attention if she got a popup that said "Hi, I can't help but notice your bored.. Me too."
Now this may or may not be possible, as I don't know a damn thing about the android nor hacking it. However I remember back in the day of high school me and a few friends during certain times of the day would go to the same computers in school, and since we knew the IP's of those computers we could send messages back and forth between each other cause they either A didn't disable windows messaging, or we had to turn it on.. We'd screw around with others in the library by sending a mass net send to all computers saying "Your computer has been infected!" then shutting them all down remotely..
Would there be a way to do such a proposal? If so anyone up to the challenge? Cause really how amazing would it be to just open up a new way to talk to those around you.
iOS had something I saw that almost kinda does this (at least I think) called sonar.me yet I don't know if android does..
Anyone?
I was thinking that if there was a way to utilize the push notifications.. Tho the question would be how to detect said device.. If they were on the same wifi as you that'd be easier.. Even through bluetooth, tho does bluetooth still transmit even when your not allowing it to be seen?
What about the possibility of just through the phone airways.. I mean they could be sitting there online with their phone anyway to intercept that..
Anyone at all?
Hey man, already thing this is a great idea. Although your scenario doesn't quite mesh with me as I am just as "geeky" in the world of pick-up as what I am in Android nerdi-ology haha (what I mean is I would have no issues going over there and sparking up conversation if shes geeky or not...although geeky would make it easier - bar easy!). Anyway I think that is a great idea. It would be ok if it was an app. Not just you sending a notification to their phone.
I was using message in a bottle for a while. Random and cool. But did not narrow to close proximity nor anything like your proposing.
I think there maybe privacy issues for push notifications being intrusive, but if someone elected for use via an app then they agree to accept notifications I think this would be ok.
I have wanted to have this sort of thing when I was on the train travelling home. I have even caught the eye of some random hottie down the isle and wanted to see if I could somehow contact her. I have scanned bluetooth and even tried to push a picture to someone thinking it could be her *thinks to self "hmm she kinda looks like a Jessica and she has a Nokia N95...bugger it send image to Jessica's N95" caching haha. So yeah I get what you mean .....walking up to someone on a train the environment (although sometimes is expected there is a level of acceptable human behavior there in) is not the place to be attempting to pick-up in dead silence with ears in close proximity eves dropping like all hell in comparison to say a night club/bar/outside area where people are sparse and/or conversation is not easily over heard. *NB: I have attempted (and passing the fear if she is confident and there has been an acceptable level of "eye-sex" or "eye-flirting" with smiles before hand) I won't get flagged off easy. If she is not confident....your pick-up interjection and sudden realisation of overh-hearing ears (eves droppers) can land even the best pick-up artist in a pickle and the shut-down is an even bigger tumble to say the least.
It's ok to get shut down in a bar where people can't hear very well, try getting shut down on a deadly silent train haha being snappy fast whitty and able to promptly deliver a negate to her clear cutting shut down is another subject all together. Being able to do it in a funny way may win you more laughs than her shut down too (geeeze I am going waaaaay off track from Android Nerd to Pick-nerd aren't I? wow I diversed big time! haha ) Aside from that I have been successful in picking up chicks on the train without this technology....but this sort of technology would only leverage a man's capability even more so.
Damn it! If this is made....I need to get a job out of town and get back on the god damned train again. I entered the world of Android to wear my geek hat so I wouldn't become obsessed pick-up dude again and here you are a forum member causing two worlds to collide! Thanks....NOT!
PM for more discussion or clarification of my ramblings haha
Well see thats the thing, sometimes girls just don't to be bothered, so how would you get their attention even for a small chat? If the girl was tech suave it could lead to an interesting topic of discussion on "How did you do that?". They have tons of chat apps that allow you to talk to complete strangers, but these people often are all over the world..
I like the things like the Nintendo DS, or even a Cybiko (if you even know what that is.. =D ) were it has a wireless chat feature where the room is just there and anyone in the area with the same device can just join in. The problem with the Nintendo DS is how often are you in a bar with one? Even the Cybiko (which is super old and was like a young tech kid's playtoy from like 2000) is that no one had it so its not like you could go out to a public area and have people join in on those chat channels.
I've seen apps that claim to do this, but they really don't, as its still over the internet instead of your local area..
Hell the closest thing that would almost be like this scenario would be hosting a open wireless connection that anyone could connect to, hosting an irc server on that network and having people connect to that server, which is quite a hastle for any one person to do just for an interesting way to chat..
Tho I agree with the whole privacy issue thing, I knew that'd probably be the case.. What if there was an app that your an that whenever someone came within your vicinity it would pop up saying "So and So has entered your area" and allowed you to click on their name and start saying hi..
Like I said in my first post there was sonar.me for ios, that kinda synced all the social networking sites to see who was in the same place you are. Supposedly it also allowed you to chat with the people that were also in your area. That would be kinda interesting..
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I have had several go arounds with this problem. I finally got past it by a very odd maneuver. Yes, I am using Win7 (there are more than one version so I want to leap to the conclusion that some versions act differently).
Anyway I followed the second method of getting the drivers to load listed in "tips and tricks" stickey (modify Device Manager so hidden devices/drivers can be seen and deleted, I had over a hundred driver in at least four different locations to delete). When I observed the right type of device show up in Device Manager I pull the USB cable, crashing the install (on my PC the cable was only connected for between 1-2 seconds). Hopefully in the USB driver area there is a new composite device which I believe is needed. I then fired up the root script the instant I reconnect the device. Yes, PnP does take off again but the script is running too and it worked!
I can't say if I ever got the drivers in the nroot directory to load. I must have tried this a hundred times before I stumbled onto the crash the install by pulling the cable move. So in my Device Manager the new Nook had a working driver.
The other thing you need to be sure of is that you set USB debug switch and unselect the automount switch; which must be done everytime the Nook is turn on even if when you check they appear to be set you need to cycle through and reset them. I used the hidden keys application (Play Store), which works and has a built in OTA blocker along with a bunch of other stuff.
Good luck, let us know how it goes!