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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Why? If you have an upgrade now use it. It will be some time before it will be operational and have phones for it.
Considering how "fast" wimax deployment was, you could get the 3D without much risk, IMO.
If they just signed the delivery expect it to be a while before the conversion even starts and the even longer before they start hitting anything but very large markets
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My city is always one of the first to get new networks. Austin, TX. We have Dell, IBM, Intel, Google, and AMD all with large offices here, I assume that's why.
But yeah I think I should be good waiting and getting the Evo 3D
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I knew wimax was a stupid move, no surprise.
Thank God, screw verizon
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And they picked the LTE service that has huge problems with GPS interference, how awesome!!
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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You're speculating that it will have better building penetration, because we don't know what frequency band it will be initially launched on.
Right now, Sprint has access to the 2.5ghz band, where WiMax sits. If sprint uses it for an initial launch, building penetration won't be any better then with WiMax.
You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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I'm pretty sure in the deal Sprint is providing the network. That's the main thing that's in it for Lightsquared.
I like Wimax. LTE will just be a bonus. Wimax does a great job as is.
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I too like Wimax, but I think LTE has greater long term potential. I am glad that Sprint is investing in LTE.
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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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I dont have time right now to search for ya but jump into the Evo4G general forum and search clearwire and read up a lot there.
LTE is NOT better than WiMax and vice versa. Its all about the network and how the tech is deployed to us. You put LTE on the same towers as WiMax is right now and same freq, then you will end up with the exact same problems we all have right now with WiMax.
That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
its all about tower placement and freq and combination of the two.
Since your new, you should search around and read up on Sprints Project Leapfrog(Network Vision Upgrade) that is underway and will be better for Sprint and all of us.
Upgrade every year.. no worries. LTE wont hit the market in the next few months.. i dont expect to see it in the next 6 months. The E3D will do you just fine till a LTE phone is avail, and by then, your going to want to get the next best phone out anyways.
enjoy the phone or whatever phone you choose to go with.
Here is a good article about Wimax and LTE:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/060710-tech-argument-lte-wimax.html
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That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
Edit: I've just taken a peek at the tentative agenda, and the actual june meeting, and it wasn't there. July 12th the next meeting.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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Bwahahahahaha!! You right, but you're speculating that we're speculating that you're speculating that we're speculating on what Sprint's speculating!
It seems no one really knows what's going on ... That includes Sprint! Did I just speculate again?
Ahah, found something definitive. According to this article I just found it seems they are indeed planning to switch to LTE. So now I just wonder what the benefits of LTE over WiMAX are? Bit for bit WiMAX is more efficient so it's not that.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/fcc-consider-proposal-could-boost-clearwire-network-speeds/2011-05-23
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
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Yeah, I found it completely odd that no blog or anyone else mentioned anything about the stuff after the date came and went with nothing big announced at all so I ended up emailing the FCC Press Secretary, Office of the Chairman Neil Derek Grace. He looked into the specific agenda item which i found odd to be on the pre-prelim agenda and then when the next prelim agenda for that meeting was released it was not on there at all and no notice of its removal b/c it wasn't the actual prelim agenda right before the mtg.
Here is what I wrote him:
According to the tentative agenda http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0519/DOC-306766A1.pdf the June 9th meeting was supposed to go over the following:
"Wider Channel Bandwidths FNPRM: An FNPRM seeking comment on a proposal which may permit operators to use spectrum more efficiently by enabling the use of wider channel bandwidths for the provision of broadband services in the Broadband Radio Service (BRS) and the Educational Broadband Service (EBS)."
Is there a reason this was dropped from the agenda suddenly and when will this issue get addressed?
Best Regards,
Jase S.
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Here are the two quotes from Neil in regards to the issue.
"Hi Jase - this was voted on between the preminary notice and the meeting, which is why it wasn't on the final agenda. "
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"Hi Jase –
Yes, this is routine. If an item is voted on before the meeting, it’s removed from the agenda because it no longer needs to be considered. It was voted & adopted on 5/24 and released on 5/27. If you want to look at the docket for results – it’s item 11-81.
Thanks - Neil"
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Now I looked for that through the FCC site through their search but couldn't find it b/c the results were nothing near what I wanted it seemed. In the end I figured he was right as it took him a few days to get me an official answer on it. His first response was for me to hang while he looked into it.
Though if you find anything different to conflict with that let me know and ill be sure to shoot the guy back and see whats up.
Anyone in the San Antonio area? we are supposed to have LTE service but I have been driving around town and I cant get it to connect to 4G LTE, I called sprint customer care and they said that according to their system everything is ok that there are still expanding the network BUT that it should connect...
San Antonio here as well. No luck finding any LTE. Like you, I've been told it should be up. No idea what could be wrong. I've checked my data settings and it's set appropriately.
I would say if your still stock just drop by a sprint corporate store and double check with them. If sprint says it's on and you can't connect at all... I would cover my bases. Ya know? Just in case
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And I'm in San Antonio and I know of no one using LTE yet
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I checked my EPST settings and it says 'CDMA HDR LTE Only', so it should connect... hopefully they turn on the the LTE antennas soon....
Did this...yeah.... Almost like they purposely pull the worst resumes out of the bunch and put em on the payroll. Like they're punking us or something!!!! They knew nothing. GRRRRR!!!!!
EDIT: Spoke to another TECH rep on phone... Apparently work was supposed to be completed on 18th according to the last work order in system. Order is still open so he told me should be any day now. So...that said...we're no closer to definitive date. Thought I would share what I just heard.
thronnos said:
I would say if your still stock just drop by a sprint corporate store and double check with them. If sprint says it's on and you can't connect at all... I would cover my bases. Ya know? Just in case
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Did this...yeah.... Almost like they purposely pull the worst resumes out of the bunch and put em on the payroll. Like they're punking us or something!!!! They knew nothing. GRRRRR!!!!!
EDIT: Spoke to another TECH rep on phone... Apparently work was supposed to be completed on 18th according to the last work order in system. Order is still open so he told me should be any day now. So...that said...we're no closer to definitive date. Thought I would share what I just heard.
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AWESOME!!! thanks bro!
I'm in San Antonio as well and have been wondering the same thing. Hopefully it'll be on soon!
I am in Dallas, also one of the first to get LTE service. Ummmm I hate to be so sarcastic, but it calls for it. IDK wth them Sprint reps are talking about. Proof positive customer care suuuuuucks. Just making up stuff. Ummmm LTE is not even active on Sprint yet. Due to be this summer!
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I just spend 30 min on the phone with the sprint rep and we did a number of "tests" and "resets" he reset my profile, my data profile, my PRL they re provisioned my phone, they did a ##72786# + MSL and that basically reset EVERYTHING... and still nothing... they said that the next step is to get it to the store... I don't know what else and different they can do there....
he kept saying "well you have excellent 4G coverage in the area that you are in..." and I asked "are you talking about wimax coverage or LTE?" and he was evasive and didn't answer that question... he said "you have excellent 4G coverage for the phone you have..." I asked again and nothing.... LOL
anyways... I guess in gonna take in to the store and see what other BS they give me...
LTE is not turned on in any market at all that I'm aware of. Everyone you're talking to at Sprint is just an idiot. They think 4g is 4g and they don't even know there are two types.
Sure you have great 4g Wimax coverage in your area. That won't do you any good.
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LTE is not turned on in any market at all that I'm aware of. Everyone you're talking to at Sprint is just an idiot. They think 4g is 4g and they don't even know there are two types.
Sure you have great 4g Wimax coverage in your area. That won't do you any good.
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yup, they have all the lte sites blocked right now. the tower that services my house out in helotes had it live for about a week but now its blocked.
I think I read somewhere had LTE live right now? Well regardless when San Antonio gets LTE please let us all know! I'm on my EVO 3D for WiMax till LTE goes live
there were several but not many tests sites in houston, san antonio, dallas, and probably other cities that some people have picked up on. However, it must have been testing as they have blocked access to those towers again. awaiting for a official launch date?
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
This link should help some....not showing the markets complete yet...I would suspect that they have not turned on the switch yet to allow everyone on....who knows for sure though except for Sprint.
I read on another post that LTE was up and running in Dallas, drove to Dallas for the weekend and unless I got a broken EVO I did not get LTE service in Dallas, has anyone gotten LTE service yet?
http://www.extremetech.com/electron...ign=Feed:+ziffdavis/extremetech+(Extremetech)
Looks like some Good news.
If this was posted before sorry. I did a quick search did not find.
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http://www.extremetech.com/electron...ign=feed:+ziffdavis/extremetech+(extremetech)
looks like some good news.
If this was posted before sorry. I did a quick search did not find.
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wooot! Good find!
Another reason to hold on the Evo 4G lte.
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Another reason to hold on the Evo 4G lte.
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are you serious? Sprint won't allow that phone to be upgraded to support better signals. lmao. They'll rather force you to purchase a new phone. lmao. I'll keep my Evo 3D until they release another 3D phone.
HOWEVER, LMAO AT THE IPHONE!
Also a reminder to everyone here. THIS WON'T HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS! knowing sprint.... They won't upgrade their network. lol They only make it worse.
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are you serious? Sprint won't allow that phone to be upgraded to support better signals. lmao. They'll rather force you to purchase a new phone. lmao. I'll keep my Evo 3D until they release another 3D phone.
HOWEVER, LMAO AT THE IPHONE!
Also a reminder to everyone here. THIS WON'T HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS! knowing sprint.... They won't upgrade their network. lol They only make it worse.
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Which is why I am saying to hold off on the Evo 4G lte.....
Considering our 3ds have the 800mhz band, this is super exciting lol.
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runcool said:
are you serious? Sprint won't allow that phone to be upgraded to support better signals. lmao. They'll rather force you to purchase a new phone. lmao. I'll keep my Evo 3D until they release another 3D phone.
HOWEVER, LMAO AT THE IPHONE!
Also a reminder to everyone here. THIS WON'T HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS! knowing sprint.... They won't upgrade their network. lol They only make it worse.
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That suck for I phones lol..... What are they doing with the NV right now? Lol
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Considering our 3ds have the 800mhz band, this is super exciting lol.
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Only for voice and 1x data.
we all know sprint is slow to roll things out (be it devices, updates, or service). by the time sprint gets this rolled out, 5g will be on the horizon lol... and sprint will not be the first carrier to get it undoubtedly...
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we all know sprint is slow to roll things out (be it devices, updates, or service). by the time sprint gets this rolled out, 5g will be on the horizon lol... and sprint will not be the first carrier to get it undoubtedly...
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This ^
Sent from my Evo 3D on Sprint's blazing fast 3G network with 4G coverage everywhere
I was told that in my city "san diego" we were gonna have lte this year, but without making it official because its not going to be in the whole city so people would complain. But lte is coming. We currently have wimax in some parts of the city but we are not a wimax city. I think same thing goes to every one.
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we all know sprint is slow to roll things out (be it devices, updates, or service). by the time sprint gets this rolled out, 5g will be on the horizon lol... and sprint will not be the first carrier to get it undoubtedly...
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Sprint is scheduled to begin rolling out an LTE Advanced network (via Clearwire) in mid-2013.
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Sprint is scheduled to begin rolling out an LTE Advanced network (via Clearwire) in mid-2013.
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Are they serious? Clearwire again?
Also, WiMax was supposed to begin rolling out mid-2010 or whenever the hell it was. 2 years later there's no stable WiMax coverage except in large cities.
So if LTE starts rolling out mid-2013, chances are they'll get to all large cities 2 years later in mid-2015. God knows how many years after that it will take to cover all their previous 3G locations.
I'm pretty sure we'll see 5G by 2015-2020.
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Are they serious? Clearwire again?
Also, WiMax was supposed to begin rolling out mid-2010 or whenever the hell it was. 2 years later there's no stable WiMax coverage except in large cities.
So if LTE starts rolling out mid-2013, chances are they'll get to all large cities 2 years later in mid-2015. God knows how many years after that it will take to cover all their previous 3G locations.
I'm pretty sure we'll see 5G by 2015-2020.
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LTE is to be this yr for roll out which is v 9 I think vzw has v8 LTE and by Tue end of next yr most places w 3g are to have LTE and then they will start w LTE advanced totally different from LTE currently out there atm
Posting from my new EVO near Overland Park KS ... LTE is working and working well! Can anyone confirm if it has been launched everywhere today or is it just a network test or something ?
Thanks
LOL you're damn near the headquarter's campus. Not surprised.
Sprint probably has it up for the HQ area.
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I hate you so much.
Kujila said:
Posting from my new EVO near Overland Park KS ... LTE is working and working well! Can anyone confirm if it has been launched everywhere today or is it just a network test or something ?
Thanks
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nothing officially yet....likely still testing in your location...dont be surprised if you can't connect to LTE in those same locations in near future as they go back to blocking them....
unless they stop that practice and start allowing devices to connect to the already tested locations...
Update guys: After leaving an area around a corporate store, the LTE disabled. I guess it was just enabled around a certain area, as I don't get it by my house! :'(
Hope they enable it soon
I live north of the river and nothing yet. Nothing downtown either nor at Kauffman Stadium. Lucky!
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Screen shot with speed test please
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Screen shot with speed test please
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I don't have it right now but I have the saved test results from when I posted originally. I attached it (removed IP's and my location coordinates)
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I don't have it right now but I have the saved test results from when I posted originally. I attached it (removed IP's and my location coordinates)
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Thanks, I was just curious on the speeds. Doesn't look all that fast especially with no one on the network. I actually miss wimax a LITTLE bit. It was just nice to have as an option if I wanted it. Gonna tough it out till LTE is up. I wish Nextel would just shut off, instead have to wait another year plus will have to buy new hardware for 800Mhz band.
Really you will have to buy new hardware in a year?
I wish I knew that!! I thought this EVO was future-proof
*falls over face-forward*
Its not a bad thing really. 800mhz LTE wasnt approved yet so they couldnt build it into the EVO LTE. If Lightsquared was approve we would all be sitting on some pretty fast LTE speeds rite now.
Is there an LTE "Air Rave" ? maybe the store was using that, causing my LTE limited radius Also it might explain why it's so slow compared to the speeds reported in live Dallas LTE
Also do you think sprint will let me upgrade sooner if the 800mhz LTE launches within two years? I bought this phone to be future proof with Sprint's "latest" network, only to read in this thread that the current-gen LTE will be replaced by an even newer/faster/better/stronger 800mhz LTE in a couple years.
Dont worry. It won't be replaced. They're just adding a band and future phones will have connectivity to 1900 & 800 bands. AFAIK
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More confirmation of LTE on and off in Kansas City
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/422706#422706
LTE live some areas here in north Texas. LTE is as fast as my WiFi. Check out how bad the 3G network is! Is un useable at times.
Can't wait till it's everywhere!
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Wow. Those results are fast, but kinda all over the place. Spastic.
sent from my Evo LTE, usually.
Anyone have a pic of the icon when you connect to lte?
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Anyone have a pic of the icon when you connect to lte?
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No, sorry
It just says "4G" instead of "3G" so it's pretty easy to tell if you're on LTE
I was down in olathe Kansas earlier and 4g was coming in and out. So spastic though I couldn't even run a speed test.
Nothing out east where I'm at yet or in the prairie village area. Unfortunately..
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Posting from my new EVO near Overland Park KS ... LTE is working and working well! Can anyone confirm if it has been launched everywhere today or is it just a network test or something ?
Thanks
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It's not up and running in N.Y..
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Kujila said:
Posting from my new EVO near Overland Park KS ... LTE is working and working well! Can anyone confirm if it has been launched everywhere today or is it just a network test or something ?
Thanks
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It not on in N.Y..
Over the weekend I was having some problems with data and figured out that they had turned on ehrpd in my area.
No 4g as of yet but this is a precursorfor LTE.ehrpd is a hand off between 3g and LTE.just wondering who else in my area is seeing this.
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Over the weekend I was having some problems with data and figured out that they had turned on ehrpd in my area.
No 4g as of yet but this is a precursorfor LTE.ehrpd is a hand off between 3g and LTE.just wondering who else in my area is seeing this.
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Orange County, where? Florida?
This happened to me in LA country a couple months back but it actually changed back to evdo a so I'm not sure it means much. And if you mean orange county California I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. LA should be almost done before you get any lte and there isn't any lte in LA yet.
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Yes this is orange county California,LTE upgrades are supposed to start this month.and launch in April and end in September
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
I thought OC wasn't going to see LTE??? That's good to hear. I'm in Anaheim and I service here is not all that good... I'll be lucky if we get LTE.
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Yep Anaheim here also. Data is piss poor. Can't wait for something more than .02mbps
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