Anyone have any guesses how long it will take Samsung to merge 4.1.2 into a stock ROM? Given my experience with the SII, I don't expect it for several months. It seems that the development leaks have just dried up lately. It mystifies me why Samsung doesn't seem to be interested in rolling out later source based builds.
They haven't even properly released Jb yet lol haven't got high hopes for 4.1.2
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4.1.2 is jellybean -_-
Duh lol haha
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I read that the cm10 already added that firmware in the general forum.....can't find where I read it now saw it yesterday definitely look in development forum there are roms saying 4.1.2 there
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Anyone have any guesses how long it will take Samsung to merge 4.1.2 into a stock ROM? Given my experience with the SII, I don't expect it for several months. It seems that the development leaks have just dried up lately. It mystifies me why Samsung doesn't seem to be interested in rolling out later source based builds.
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Minor version changes are usually incorporated relatively quickly. (i.e. relative to how long it takes for a major revision)
The final version of JB they release could be 4.1.2 for all we know.
Why 4.1.2 though? What does it have that you want?
esist said:
Minor version changes are usually incorporated relatively quickly. (i.e. relative to how long it takes for a major revision)
The final version of JB they release could be 4.1.2 for all we know.
Why 4.1.2 though? What does it have that you want?
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I'm not sure about that. It took many months for Samsung to roll out a 4.0.4 update to ICS.
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Hi there
I'm in the process of needing to upgrade to a new phone and have narrowed my choices down to the Galaxy S II or the Galaxy Nexus as they are the best phones in this price bracket. The main problem I'm currently having choosing between the two is the hardware advantages of the S II vs the software advantages of the GN.
The main thing holding me back from purchasing the S II is that I'm not sure if it will get the jelly bean update promptly seeing as it took 6 months for the SII to get ICS.
However this disadvantage would be nullified if there would be custom roms that would support the S II for jelly bean shortly after it is released on the GN without having to wait for the official support to arrive for the SII. Would these custom roms be released just as promptly as the jelly bean custom roms for the GN? Also how stable would those SII roms be compared to the ones for the GN?
I'm also curious as to how custom roms based on AOSP work in this way. Wouldn't developers just be able to just take the source code from google and apply it to either the GN or SII and have the custom rom released in the same amount of time for either phone or is it simply faster to develop a rom on the GN?
Basically as I see myself using a custom rom on either device if the SII would have a custom rom based on jelly bean released in pretty much the same time as one for the GN that is just as stable, I see no reason why the SII isn't a better choice over the Nexus in all areas and am looking to confirm if this is true. Also if I am to use a custom rom this would mean that I wouldn't get the prompt OTA updates from google either which defeats a lot of the point of the GN. Looking to confirm this point also.
The reason why JB support, and thus the attractiveness of the GN, is such a concern for me is that I believe a lot of the value in the phone you pay for is in how up to date it stays. Where hardware on a phone remains constant, if a phone can keep up to date with its software it will never age in this respect and keep getting better for the money you pay.
Thanks for your help guys!
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The main thing holding me back from purchasing the S II is that I'm not sure if it will get the jelly bean update promptly seeing as it took 6 months for the SII to get ICS.
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no-one knows, unanswerable question
However this disadvantage would be nullified if there would be custom roms that would support the S II for jelly bean shortly after it is released on the GN without having to wait for the official support to arrive for the SII. Would these custom roms be released just as promptly as the jelly bean custom roms for the GN? Also how stable would those SII roms be compared to the ones for the GN?
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probably but as JB isnt out, we dont know...
Plus, questions belong in Q&A not the general section
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Plus, questions belong in Q&A not the general section
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Sorry! Would a mod be able to remove this please or shall I go ahead and create a new post there? (Kinda a newb to all of this)
Also, my question is more along the lines of how roms actually work. Is it that e.g. google releases a generic ICS source code that works for all devices and the OEMs take that code and add their own skins to it where devs here can take that code too make a custom rom? In that case how come it still took months before the first ICS custom roms were available on the SII? Or is it that the custom roms have to be based off a device specific ICS that google/OEM releases to the devices which come months later after they are released on the nexus which would explain why it takes much longer for devices other than nexus phones to receive the updates?
Jelly Bean SDK was released today. I haven't been this excited about an OS yet!
Anyone going to work on ROMs?
Butter seems like it is going to be awesome!
Im interested in the Voice search and Google Now.
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Im interested in the Voice search and Google Now.
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Totally agree!
Markdental said:
Jelly Bean SDK was released today. I haven't been this excited about an OS yet!
Anyone going to work on ROMs?
Butter seems like it is going to be awesome!
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SDK aka software development kit is to help developers create apps compatible with jelly bean, not going to help with rom development.
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SDK aka software development kit is to help developers create apps compatible with jelly bean, not going to help with rom development.
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We had gingerbread ROMs based off the SDK on the Incredible..
What about the PDK, thought I saw something about that being released on the I/O?
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SDK aka software development kit is to help developers create apps compatible with jelly bean, not going to help with rom development.
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It does indeed help with rom development. Just not as easy.
I think it might help get it quicker too because the European version probably will get jelly bean quicker...
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I have no idea what the PDK is. That's something new I think.
But, yes, SDK can be used to develop ROMs, we just need to get a kernel developer to figure those out and make sure they are compatible. It likely won't happen until the OTA's hit in mid-July but the fact that the Galaxy Nexus is getting the OTA bodes well for us I think...
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I have no idea what the PDK is. That's something new I think.
But, yes, SDK can be used to develop ROMs, we just need to get a kernel developer to figure those out and make sure they are compatible. It likely won't happen until the OTA's hit in mid-July but the fact that the Galaxy Nexus is getting the OTA bodes well for us I think...
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The Galaxy Nexus does not have to rely on Samsung to push out updates though, and it is supposed to get updates first.
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I have no idea what the PDK is. That's something new I think.
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PDK as explained is the development kit for Physical Hardware, in other words for the Manufacturers. If developers that makes ROMs can get their hands on this one, then it would make it ALOT easier for them to create the ROMs. And the other nice thing they said is that the PDK was to be available for the Hardware Manufacturers 3-4 months before release, which should decrease the amount of time it takes for the manufacturers to release the next OS version. The problem is to try to get this from Google if you are not a hardware manufacturer.
And then there is still the issue with the drivers which is what the manufacturers sits on.
I know it doesn't help us get updates on the GS3 just bec the GN gets one, but having the GN getting the OTA can help us with ROM development esp if we have the kernels to work with.
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PDK as explained is the development kit for Physical Hardware, in other words for the Manufacturers. If developers that makes ROMs can get their hands on this one, then it would make it ALOT easier for them to create the ROMs. And the other nice thing they said is that the PDK was to be available for the Hardware Manufacturers 3-4 months before release, which should decrease the amount of time it takes for the manufacturers to release the next OS version. The problem is to try to get this from Google if you are not a hardware manufacturer.
And then there is still the issue with the drivers which is what the manufacturers sits on.
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It would seem then that Samsung should have been working on Jelly Bean for quite some time. What are the chances they release JB on the GS3 in the next 2 months if they have had 3-4 months to work on it?
They had ICS since at the latest last October and here it is June before they are releasing ICS for GS2. Seems the lead time is ~8 months. So if they had PDK 4 months ago and it takes them 8 months, then we should see JB in October/November. Unless the PDK somehow makes it easier to develop the ROM...
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Jelly Bean SDK was released today. I haven't been this excited about an OS yet!
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There are certainly some great features in there, but I think the "haven't been this excited about an OS yet" statement might be a little much. I'd say the milestone releases, 4.0 and 2.0 were certainly much more exciting than this. If it was intended to be the most exciting update yet, it would've had a version number to reflect that. Just saying.
Having said that... I'm pretty excited too, but it'll likely take Sammy a little while to push an official update if you're like me and don't root right away.
I want to see Project Butter and the new notifications in action! :laugh:
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I know it doesn't help us get updates on the GS3 just bec the GN gets one, but having the GN getting the OTA can help us with ROM development esp if we have the kernels to work with.
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Kernels for a completely different SoC..?
Markdental said:
It would seem then that Samsung should have been working on Jelly Bean for quite some time. What are the chances they release JB on the GS3 in the next 2 months if they have had 3-4 months to work on it?
They had ICS since at the latest last October and here it is June before they are releasing ICS for GS2. Seems the lead time is ~8 months. So if they had PDK 4 months ago and it takes them 8 months, then we should see JB in October/November. Unless the PDK somehow makes it easier to develop the ROM...
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I doubt Samsung has had the Jellybean PDK for four months already. Jellybean probably hasn't been finalized for that long.
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My understanding was that google tried the early release this time around by giving it to the manufacturers two weeks before I/O. It is for the future releases that it was going to be 3-4 months.
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There are certainly some great features in there, but I think the "haven't been this excited about an OS yet" statement might be a little much. I'd say the milestone releases, 4.0 and 2.0 were certainly much more exciting than this.
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Depends. The VSync governor and CPU prespread is rather a quantum leap. Yes, it's not massively exceeding the introduction of the 2.2 Dalvik JIT but it's going to push Android along and, likely, past the Cupertino Competition.
Not to mention "Butter" was the coolest code name, yet. Chet (who's also doing the "For Butter or for Worse" session tomorrow, gave a good impromptu hallway intro to some of us, and it's exciting. VERY exciting.
I flashed the toro version of the Jelly Bean SDK port to my Nexus and holy hell its so smooth. Much smoother than my GSIII. I can't begin to think how smooth this device will be especially since the screen is much more sensitive and responsive than my Nexus. 4.1 is what 4.0 should have been. The Google Now feature provided INSTANT response with no lag. Its almost like talking to a person. Im really impressed with jelly bean and hope Samsung provides timely updates.
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Im really impressed with jelly bean and hope Samsung provides timely updates.
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Considering Samsung subscribes to the "want to upgrade your OS, upgrade the phone" philosophy, I am not sure we'll see JB on the S3 any time soon. I'd presume we'll see an AOSP Rom soon-ish, though, given the number of S3 owners at Google I/O that just stared and lusted...
It look like we might get 4.2.1 for the note. i know it not the I717 but if they get the update to it i think we will too.
"Just because use the Samsung GALAXY Note II just about out specs the original in every way doesn't mean that no one loves the poor Samsung GALAXY Note. In fact, Android 4.2.1 has leaked for the 5 incher and software version N7000XXLSA happens to be the first Jelly Bean update ever leaked for the device. So far, Samsung hasn't included much S-Pen functionality with the Jelly Bean source code, something that is sure to be addressed before the software update becomes official.
It should be noted that unlike the N7000XXLSA leak revealed by Xda, which came from a dump of a person's device, a source for SamMobile says that the version of the update that we are discussing came right from Samsung's servers. All you need to do is flash the update with Odin and you're updated. Again, the issue with the S-Pen would concern us a little and you might want to wait for the official OTA update which is supposed to arrive late this year or early next year.
Among the cool changes included with the update are Project Butter (or is it "I can't believe it's not Project Butter?"), Multiwindows, customized notification panel, Pop-up Play, Smart Rotation and Google Now."
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It look like we might get 4.2.1 for the note. i know it not the I717 but if they get the update to it i think we will too.
"Just because use the Samsung GALAXY Note II just about out specs the original in every way doesn't mean that no one loves the poor Samsung GALAXY Note. In fact, Android 4.2.1 has leaked for the 5 incher and software version N7000XXLSA happens to be the first Jelly Bean update ever leaked for the device. So far, Samsung hasn't included much S-Pen functionality with the Jelly Bean source code, something that is sure to be addressed before the software update becomes official.
It should be noted that unlike the N7000XXLSA leak revealed by Xda, which came from a dump of a person's device, a source for SamMobile says that the version of the update that we are discussing came right from Samsung's servers. All you need to do is flash the update with Odin and you're updated. Again, the issue with the S-Pen would concern us a little and you might want to wait for the official OTA update which is supposed to arrive late this year or early next year.
Among the cool changes included with the update are Project Butter (or is it "I can't believe it's not Project Butter?"), Multiwindows, customized notification panel, Pop-up Play, Smart Rotation and Google Now."
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1000 post on same topic of" we could get it cuz international did"
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1000 post on same topic of" we could get it cuz international did"
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That was a TypeO they meant 4.1.2 and also only for N7000 not I717
There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of activity on the Rom front as I'm seeing it.
Is everyone busy getting ready for 4.2?
I'm kinda of jonesing for something to install.
Until we see source for the JB kernel, we are stuck on ICS builds, or JB data using a modified ICS kernel.
But no true JB builds yet....g
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I'm kinda of jonesing for something to install.
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Buy some tile for your kitchen floor.
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Buy some tile for your kitchen floor.
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Interesting you say that. Been thinking about re-doing the guest bathroom. Roms are a much cheaper solution but not very productive of my time.
Go for the home upgrade. There, as here, Google is your friend.
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There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of activity on the Rom front as I'm seeing it.
Is everyone busy getting ready for 4.2?
I'm kinda of jonesing for something to install.
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If anyone is leading you or anyone to believe 4.2 is an option currently, they are not being honest. Right now the only reason we have JB 4.1.2 is because we are using a modified ICS kernel and ICS proprietary blobs(drivers etc)
These blobs and kernel were enough to get JB 4.1 working but as you can see the best of the best JB ROMs ALL suffer from the same issues.
1. Random reboots
2. Random freezes
3. Video overlay issues in games and video players etc.
So our developers have done a great job with what we have.
Now we have JB 4.2.1
JB 4.2.1 introduces a lot of new features and all new obstacles.
In official JB the proprietary blobs(drivers etc) have changed tremendously from version 4.1 to 4.2.
What does that mean to us Note users?
It means that the ICS proprietary stuff is not going to work in 4.2. I am not saying it is entirely impossible but it pretty much is.
Now what?
Now we need to cross our fingers that Samsung/AT&T release an official JB update for the Note. Even if it is only 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 then we have viable proprietary stuff to work with. Until then don't get your hopes up for JB 4.2 no matter how much people say they are working on it.
There is a reason why no one has even touched it for our device. CM AOKP etc know that the time and effort it is going to take to try and patch together the ICS proprietary stuff isn't worth the end product if it will even boot. I've already compiled a JB 4.2 ROM for the Note and it doesn't even come close to even finish booting.
So everyone cross your fingers and toes for some official JB and when/if it does come, it will be like we all got brand new devices! Until then just don't get your hopes up. Even if we can get it booted with the ICS proprietary stuff its gonna be pretty useless and no way will it be able to be a daily driver.
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Is that why the nightlies had slowed/stopped also?
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Is that why the nightlies had slowed/stopped also?
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I am sure the cm team is concentrating on 4.2 and supported devices. That's not official or anything just speculation. You would need to ask them
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I'm looking for a new ROM that will be relatively trouble-free, but is also actively supported/updated.
I love the UX/features/philosophy of SlimBeam ROM on my Note, but it does suffer from some instabilities.
Unfortunately, SlimBean for the I717 hasn't been updated in ages and is no longer in their list of supported devices. (Is it possible to run ROMs written for the Note N7000 on a Note I717?)
The I717 also does not support the newest version of CyanogenMod.
I've read thru the ROMs in the Development forums, but does anybody have info on which are still active projects and which are dead ends?
Any recommendations (for or against particular roms)?
Thanks.
Go to the AT&T Galaxy Note I717 Android Development section for what you are looking for.
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I'm looking for a new ROM that will be relatively trouble-free, but is also actively supported/updated.
I love the UX/features/philosophy of SlimBeam ROM on my Note, but it does suffer from some instabilities.
Unfortunately, SlimBean for the I717 hasn't been updated in ages and is no longer in their list of supported devices. (Is it possible to run ROMs written for the Note N7000 on a Note I717?)
The I717 also does not support the newest version of CyanogenMod.
I've read thru the ROMs in the Development forums, but does anybody have info on which are still active projects and which are dead ends?
Any recommendations (for or against particular roms)?
Thanks.
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i build slim 4.2.2 on a regular basis, your clearly looking at the 4.1.2 version in original development
all the releases i put out see regular updates actually, slim/pk/chamelon/supernexus ect..
edit: and your looking at the wrong place for cm, quincyatt is very well up in the mix with the newest cm releases, get.cm <-- thats where you find the releases
Anytime you choose a "custom" rom there's going to be bugs, or glitches, or random reboots in my opinion. But you're also going to get cool features! You'll have the ability to customize you phone more with custom roms. So it's a trade off. Only you can decide what you can live with and without. If you're looking for custom roms the dev usually updates the title with the last time he updated it. You can then read over the first post and find out what's included feature wise. Very very rarely will you find a complete list of bugs the rom has. You have to surf thru posts to see complaints, and kudos. If you're looking for stability, the i717 got an 4.1.2 JB update a week or so ago. It's the most stable thing out in my opinion. You can give it root access, debloat it, and enjoy a smooth rom if that's what you're after.
Oh and its not possible to run N7000 roms as far as I know. I'm pretty sure you'll brick your device.
I hope that info helps ya out a lil.
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i build slim 4.2.2 on a regular basis, your clearly looking at the 4.1.2 version in original development
all the releases i put out see regular updates actually, slim/pk/chamelon/supernexus ect..
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Thanks.
I'm still on Slim-i717-3.1.0-OFFICIAL.
Do you know if 4.2.1 stable 1.0 is available anywhere for the I717?
And how stable are the 4.2.2 builds? (I've spent enough years in sw development to be cautious - Mark Twain once wrote "People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made," and the same definitely applies to software)
In my opinion the 4.2 based custom ROMs are way my stable then the 4.1.2 based ( the exception is 4.1.2 based stock ROMs) used to get a reboot every couple hours . 4.2 rarely do I see one. If you are looking for stable but don't really care about all the frills try Jamie's super nexus the first build is bullet proof pure asop like your phone is a nexus doesn't see a lot of updates but its stable.
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