The Infuse's lag has been brutal from day one. I even swapped the phone out after three months because I thought I had bad hardware.
It's just simply too slow.
I'm going to pick up a used I777 or I727 and I'd like to know which you prefer. I know this is the I777 forum, but if you have experience with both, and were upgrading from the Infuse, what might you pick?
I'm in Chicago which has LTE. Curious if the hardware differences between the two are enough to notice in general performance. Would like to run custom JB roms without it lagging. Infuse lags like you wouldn't believe.
So, if you were me, what would you buy and why?
Oh, I'm not doing the III because my contract isn't up for another year and might as well wait for the IV to come out by then.
Thanks guys, I really appreciate your opinions!!!
The consensus is that the i777 is smoother than the i727, but the i727 have the edge on data connectivity, of course. Some say that the difference is noticeable, some say it isn't. In my case, i was able to use a friend's i727, and i thought that both phones where smooth enough, but the i727 drains more battery, because of the larger screen + 4g data. That was totally noticeable.
If LTE is a must for you, and I mean a MUST, then go for the skyrocket. The specs are marginally better for the i777, as you might already know. The i777 doesn't have LTE, leaving you with H+. So I would say this, go i777 if you want performance/superior hardware and development. If you want LTE, that is the only advantage that the skyrocket (i727) has over the i777.
Edit: As a side note, the i777 has an Exynos processor. I'm not sure if you have read up on this stuff but Samsung has documentation and source issues, meaning that lots of things won't work 100% or will take time to patch. I believe Skyrocket has a Snapdragon S3? I'm not sure about what is working with them or not but for i777 we have issues with the hw composer and audio. You can read more about this in various threads in out forum.
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If LTE is a must for you, and I mean a MUST, then go for the skyrocket. The specs are marginally better for the i777, as you might already know. The i777 doesn't have LTE, leaving you with H+. So I would say this, go i777 if you want performance/superior hardware and development. If you want LTE, that is the only advantage that the skyrocket (i727) has over the i777.
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Oh, thats true too. Development is way more active on the i777. Forgot that point.
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OP I had an Infuse and got the i777 and couldn't be happier. Also +1 to all posts above me. Unless u want LTE then i777 is for u
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the only thing the i727 has going for it is LTE and a slightly larger screen
I've used both the i777 and i727 and the speed differences are generally the same. Never noticed lagginess on the i727, the chip on i777 is better but daily use the Skyrocket is a solid phone not to mention a bigger screen. I'd say go for the i727, not to mention JB should be further along for it than for the Exynos based phones
After more research, i found that most people tend to say that the i777 has a more powerfull chipset, and that you will notice it when playing intensive 3D games or using 3D animations, maybe flash content, but for daily task, like texting, calls, browsing (Maybe you will notice a little difference here too), reading and stuff like that, both phones are pretty much the same.
I think chipset matters very little with higher-end phones these days. Software optimization is what is key. Before I had my i777, I had an LG Thrill 4g. The chipset on that phone is much weaker than the i777 according to all benchmarks. But I noticed that phone ran games at a higher frame rate than the i777 does. I'd say choose between greater dev support, which can mean having all sorts of cool features (i777) or bigger screen and LTE (i727).
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http://www.telusmobility.com/en/AB/...index.shtml?INTCMP=HomeILCC3samsungGalaxySIIX
Which they're calling the "Samsung Galaxy S II X." Whatever that means, blame TELUS.
Anyways, while the specs cover general technical details and not exactly what processor or RAM or anything like that, it seems to have more than the current Galaxy S II in terms of processor speed (1.2 GHz to 1.5 GHz) and screen size (4.5").
However, some of the guys are codenaming it the Hercules, which makes me feel iffy about it, because apparently Samsung is having some sort of fiesta where they're classifying a number of different phones under the Galaxy S II name, even when some of the phones are much crappier.
So here is my question:
- Should I really upgrade to this phone from my current? (Motorola Atrix)
And because this is in General, and because I'm interested in the opinions:
- Discuss/speculate whether this phone would be better or worse than the S II original model, at least until we get official specs.
From what I remember its Qualcomm chipset, even though its higher clock, exynos by samsung is far better. It has larger screen, and Imo... the galaxy s2 4.3 inch screen is already big enough, I wouldnt buy it, and if I was given the chance to switch from s2 to hercules for free I wouldnt do it. + No custom roms for international S2 will work since hercules is completely different phone.
DJ Yoshiman said:
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/AB/...index.shtml?INTCMP=HomeILCC3samsungGalaxySIIX
Which they're calling the "Samsung Galaxy S II X." Whatever that means, blame TELUS.
Anyways, while the specs cover general technical details and not exactly what processor or RAM or anything like that, it seems to have more than the current Galaxy S II in terms of processor speed (1.2 GHz to 1.5 GHz) and screen size (4.5").
However, some of the guys are codenaming it the Hercules, which makes me feel iffy about it, because apparently Samsung is having some sort of fiesta where they're classifying a number of different phones under the Galaxy S II name, even when some of the phones are much crappier.
So here is my question:
- Should I really upgrade to this phone from my current? (Motorola Atrix)
And because this is in General, and because I'm interested in the opinions:
- Discuss/speculate whether this phone would be better or worse than the S II original model, at least until we get official specs.
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Specs are out, it's for sure the Qualcomm chipset, which is far inferior (really) to the Exynos in GPU performance, and at 1.5Ghz, it's going to be about the same CPU wise. It's really not that much different than the SoC in the Sensation, just clocked higher, and with a different modem.
The network performance remains to be seen, but on my 21Mbps-capable SGS2, on the Telus network in the GVA, I've never seen higher than 8k down, so I have to wonder if the 42Mbps dual connect modem on the SIIX will actually help...two connections to the network may not be such a big boost if it's still the same slow network.
And yes, it's going to be freaking huge. I came from an SGS1 (with a slight Atrix detour) and find the SGS2 is right at the margin of comfortable size. Not to mention the pixel density reduction, if that matters to you.
The biggest issue beyond being too big and too slow is that it's going to be an XDA development orphan as well.
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From what I remember its Qualcomm chipset, even though its higher clock, exynos by samsung is far better. It has larger screen, and Imo... the galaxy s2 4.3 inch screen is already big enough, I wouldnt buy it, and if I was given the chance to switch from s2 to hercules for free I wouldnt do it. + No custom roms for international S2 will work since hercules is completely different phone.
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Me in the original post said:
And because this is in General, and because I'm interested in the opinions:
- Discuss/speculate whether this phone would be better or worse than the S II original model, at least until we get official specs.
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So thank you for reading my post, moderator.
As for the rest of you, thanks for your insight - good to know these things. I think I'm hooped, since I don't have the money to buy out a SGS II. I suppose if I was rich, I'd get that one instead of upgrading to the Telus-brand model.
Change to Bell and you will get the International model.
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Change to Bell and you will get the International model.
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I'd love to, but I've already got an account on Bell with late charges (for my ex-girlfriend) who doesn't even use it any more - even if I paid off those charges, I apparently wouldn't be able to get an upgrade for another year to 2 years.
EDIT: Plus according to Bell's plans, I would get less than I have right now for about $15 more than what I'm paying with Telus.
Im so stuck right now. I dont want the S2 X but I dont want to switch carriers cause from the looks of it everyone else's plans suck compared to the one I have with Telus right now. I would go with the HTC Amaze but Telus doesnt get that for like another 3 weeks and I need a new phone cause im using a crappy LG Shine Plus with a shattered screen. Ahhh what to do...
A friend of mine got the hercules the other day and did a speed test on it and is getting 12-14 Mbps constantly. I have the bell version rooted and unlocked and can only get 5mbps on a good day. So the dual must be working for it... and for that speed boost I'm thinking it may be worth the upgrade! Any thoughts? I have tried flashing different modems to get higher speeds but Nada.
Played with the skyrocket today and I gotta admit I'm having a bit of envy, mostly over the screen but also over the shape and the slightly faster processor.
Anyone else having that? The device is huge though which put me off quite a bit.
I guess I'm kind of hoping of being talked out of trading in for one. Is there a legitimate reason to choose the skyrocket over the S2? Aside from screen. I know a root and mods can get me a 1.5 gigahertz processor.
Well the 1.2 Ghz exynos processor is actually faster/better than the Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz. The 4.3" screen size imho is better, at least for me and doesn't look as nerdy The LTE is the only thing that would make me switch but it's not too big a deal yet.
I thought they both used an exynos but the skyrocket was clocked to 1.5 and got an 1800 mAh battery to compensate? I also sort of disregard the lte since I live in an area that will likely not get lte for quite a while.
Nope. Skyrocket got the snapdragon cpu just like the tmobile sgs II did.
The sgs II is a better choice for you, AntwanL Why do I say that?
People don't come to xda for no reason. They want to see what they can 'do' to their phone. And here you are at xda. The sgs II will always have more being done to it than the skyrocket.
If you don't care about modifying android on your phone, then go for a skyrocket. It is a samsung with a dual core phone and 1gb of ram. That's nothing to sneeze at.
A .2 inch bump in screen size and lte, that won't be wide spread for awhile, is not enough for me to get a phone that will have less choices that the alternative, this phone.
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More like Note envy.
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Also look in the skyrocket forums and specifically the developers section and compare it to the SGS2 developers section. Plus what the others have said above. To me it is more important to have developers who make our phones better due to having a international phone that is the same.
The ONLY two phones for the skyrocket are the T-Mobile phone and I THINK the Canadian version of the skyrocket. So the developer support will never be as big.
To see how this works look at the support on the older generation galaxy s phones (captivate, i9000) and compare it to other phones that did not have international phone in common with it. The i9000 and captivate still have a great support of developers even with it being an older generation of the phone.
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shadow65781 said:
More like Note envy.
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Haha, I'm loving my note. All my buddies are work comment on it.
The apple fanboys go "Is that a small Ipad?, it looks like a small Ipad, anything bigger than an ishitPhone is too big"
Good times...
Anyways op....
The skyrocket is inferior in every single way Hardware wise. At&t also throttles you much faster on LTE than on HSPA+
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the GS2 is as fast as the skyrocket, despite having a lower clock speed. The reason is the superior GS2 processor. Also, the GPU on the GS2 is superior, so despite similar speed, graphics are much better (and not choppy) on the GS2 than the skyrocket. The skyrocket will never be as hackable as the GS2, and so it will always be difficult or impossible to overclock it much. Despite the GS2 being of similar speed with a 1.2ghz processor, compared to the skyrocket's 1.5ghz processor, I am already overclocking my GS2 to 1.6 ghz and haven't had any stability issues at all. CM7 has the 1.6 ghz overclock feature already baked into the rom, so you don't need to flash a separate custom kernel.
I was going to originally get the skyrocket, but decided to go with the GS2 instead. The processor and GPU superior (and overclocked is much faster than the skyrocket will ever be capable of). Also, the resolution is better and it is very hackable. The only skyrocket advantage is LTE (I went with GS2 despite living in an LTE area and having unlimited data) but this is only a minor advantage. You use the processor all the time, but the data plan only sometimes, and LTE simply means somewhat shorter wait times for downloading.
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-snip-Also, the resolution is better and it is very hackable. -snip-
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the resolution is the exact same....and just as hackable...
So currently sporting the SGS2 with UnNamed 1.3.1 and really love it. Cured all Skyrocket envy
AntwanL said:
So currently sporting the SGS2 with UnNamed 1.3.1 and really love it. Cured all Skyrocket envy
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If you ever think you wished you went with the skyrocket, check out their dev section, or rather lack thereof. Then for icing on the cake look through the q&a section.
I just got done looking though it for a friend who was having the 100% battery problem, and all I can say is wow. Largest collection of new android users that have no idea how to use any android phone.
Not trying to be mean but there's some serious education that needs to go on over there for any large scale progress to be made (cm7 cm9 or miui, much less stock roms). For their sake I hope it happens.
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No envy here....Sure the screen is larger and it has LTE. However, I dont live in a area that is likely to see LTE for quite some time and the screen in note a selling point for me only being bigger.
I will wait a year or so to see what the market has at that time. I cant afford to purchase the latest and greatest every few months when a new device with 512mb more memory comes out etc....lol
gr8hairy1 said:
If you ever think you wished you went with the skyrocket, check out their dev section, or rather lack thereof. Then for icing on the cake look through the q&a section.
I just got done looking though it for a friend who was having the 100% battery problem, and all I can say is wow. Largest collection of new android users that have no idea how to use any android phone.
Not trying to be mean but there's some serious education that needs to go on over there for any large scale progress to be made (cm7 cm9 or miui, much less stock roms). For their sake I hope it happens.
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this.
my skyrocket will be in my hands soon, but damn, i dread some of the goings on over there....
Pirateghost said:
this.
my skyrocket will be in my hands soon, but damn, i dread some of the goings on over there....
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I salute you in your efforts. For the next week or so I'm recovery from surgery on a pilonidal cyst - yeah buddy - I'll see what help I can be over there as far as general android education goes, a week may be all I can handle.
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I just returned my Skyrocket for an original SGS2. I live in an area with LTE (Dallas) and while it was neat, I never felt like it was useful. I just visit webpages and use the navigator and things like that. Even streaming YT videos wasn't much faster....not worth much more than running speed tests and going LOLWTF LOOK AT HOW FAST THIS IS......yeah it's pretty awesome but unless you tether or something, meh. It just never felt any faster than my girlfriend's SGS2.
The battery life was bad (LTE radio + 4.5 inch screen + the slightly faster clocked (but slower overall) CPU overtook the small bump in mAh), reception was bad (I'd have 1-2 bars most of the time for LTE and it would switch back and forth from 4G to LTE all day), and the aftermarket support (physical and developmental) is very lacking of course.
I prefer the SGS2 over the Skyrocket.
Also, I don't forsee CM or MIUI to EVER be on the skyrocket, since it's not an international phone. Very small userbase.
Pirateghost said:
this.
my skyrocket will be in my hands soon, but damn, i dread some of the goings on over there....
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Even worse than the Infuse forums?
Edit: Great link in your sig to kang.
Entropy512 said:
Even worse than the Infuse forums?
Edit: Great link in your sig to kang.
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i never got an infuse, so i dont know what its like over there.
kang away!...lol. i love that post
AntwanL said:
Played with the skyrocket today and I gotta admit I'm having a bit of envy, mostly over the screen but also over the shape and the slightly faster processor.
Anyone else having that? The device is huge though which put me off quite a bit.
I guess I'm kind of hoping of being talked out of trading in for one. Is there a legitimate reason to choose the skyrocket over the S2? Aside from screen. I know a root and mods can get me a 1.5 gigahertz processor.
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Go with the SGSII not the Skyrocket cause... who wants a phone called the "Skyrocket".
I had the same internal debate and ended up with my AT&T SGSII pretty much for all the reason everyone else is giving. Major players for me were the size, processor type and well the name? haha
Peace!
jpstiehl said:
Go with the SGSII not the Skyrocket cause... who wants a phone called the "Skyrocket".
I had the same internal debate and ended up with my AT&T SGSII pretty much for all the reason everyone else is giving. Major players for me were the size, processor type and well the name? haha
Peace!
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Lol
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the resolution is the exact same....and just as hackable...
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The number of pixels is the same, though the SR's screen is bigger so the resolution is worse. It is not nearly as hackable, because the only similar device is T-Mobile's GS2. The international GS2 is similar to AT&T's GS2 so there will always be much more hacking going on with it than the SR.
Getting ready to buy the GS2, which is the newer one the Skyrocket or the Gs2. The Skyrocket has the 1.2 Exnyos chip but the GS2 has the 1.5 and i dont think its Exynos. Which is considered higher end?
Smh....
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Your backwards.. skyrocket has the 1.5GHz, and the original GSII has the exynos. I coulda traded mine in- but from what I gathered the Exynos is a better chipset or whatever. And with no resolution difference, the bigger screen on the skyrocket may be downfall. Still great screen and picture- but not as nice as the 4.3" on the GSII.
..but just my 2 cents ... aaaaannnnnnd there's about a dozen skyrocket threads already.
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The Skyrocket is a nice piece of hardware, but do you even have LTE where you live or is your city slated to get it in the next 12 months or so? Do you travel alot? Why are you worried about "higher end?" Is the phone for your enjoyment and use or to impress everyone else on the street?
-D
dirtbagg said:
Smh....
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Rofl...
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dlwoodjr said:
The Skyrocket is a nice piece of hardware, but do you even have LTE where you live or is your city slated to get it in the next 12 months or so? Do you travel alot? Why are you worried about "higher end?" Is the phone for your enjoyment and use or to impress everyone else on the street?
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Wrong....
-If you want worse battery life, go with the ****rocket (LTE radio drains battery)
-If you want to get thottled after 2gbs of data, go with the ****rocket
-If you want a worse looking display (Bigger screen, less ppi), go with the ****rocket
-If you want a clumsy and laggy interface with slow performance (1.5ghz ****dragon falls short of the Exynos), then go with the ****rocket
-If you want a heavier phone, with little accessories, go with the ****rocket
-If you want 0 custom ROMs and kernels, go with the ****rocket
But if you don't want any of those things, buy:
-Samsung Galaxy SII
-AT&T Samsung Galaxy SII
-Samsung Galaxy Note
*All of the above are much much faster and smoother than a ****rocket
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You mad bro? I had the gsII and now have the skyrocket and I assure you the screen is fine. I used almost 10 gigs last month and wasn't throttled. How is the interface clumsy, isn't it the same as the gs2. If u don't like the skyrocket that's great but the phone doesn't suck at all.
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Wrong....
-If you want worse battery life, go with the ****rocket (LTE radio drains battery)
-If you want to get thottled after 2gbs of data, go with the ****rocket
-If you want a worse looking display (Bigger screen, less ppi), go with the ****rocket
-If you want a clumsy and laggy interface with slow performance (1.5ghz ****dragon falls short of the Exynos), then go with the ****rocket
-If you want a heavier phone, with little accessories, go with the ****rocket
-If you want 0 custom ROMs and kernels, go with the ****rocket
But if you don't want any of those things, buy:
-Samsung Galaxy SII
-AT&T Samsung Galaxy SII
-Samsung Galaxy Note
*All of the above are much much faster and smoother than a ****rocket
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Seriously? That is the worst comparison I have seen, you clearly dont know what you are talking about ... LOL
big70tom said:
Getting ready to buy the GS2, which is the newer one the Skyrocket or the Gs2. The Skyrocket has the 1.2 Exnyos chip but the GS2 has the 1.5 and i dont think its Exynos. Which is considered higher end?
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After reading and searching for answers, I still cannot confirm that the Skyrocket could be SIM unlocked. I travel overseas and having an unlocked phone is a must.
Some reported that paying service would unlock the Skyrocket but equal among of folks said even paying services do not work.
GS2 could be easily SIM unlocked.
After two months of research I went with the Galaxy S2, but one week later the Skyrocket was released and my Galaxy S2 was returned. The screen on the Skyrocket is not as sharp compared to the Galaxy S2. Battery life on the Skyrocket was good, but I don't live in a LTE market so it may be less if you do. The reason I returned the Skyrocket was the processor. While I tried different apps the SR would lag, and while on the browser I would get the checker board when scrolling around. Initially in the store I could not see a major difference but a week later the SR went back. I'm upset I had lost out on the restock fee, but I'm happy I have my Galaxy S2 back. The Galaxy is the one to get IMHO.
Get a GS2
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GS2 all the way!
The original gs2 is superior minus the lte support. A 1.2 ghz exynos consistently outperforms a 1.5 snapdragon with very few exceptions. Also, I prefer the smaller screen. Seems like a minor thing, but I think it looks slightly more crisp and 4.3 fits my hands better, which are pretty big.
The only reason I would say to get the skyrocket is if you need lte support, but otherwise stick with the real gs2.
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Wrong....
-If you want worse battery life, go with the ****rocket (LTE radio drains battery)
-If you want to get thottled after 2gbs of data, go with the ****rocket
-If you want a worse looking display (Bigger screen, less ppi), go with the ****rocket
-If you want a clumsy and laggy interface with slow performance (1.5ghz ****dragon falls short of the Exynos), then go with the ****rocket
-If you want a heavier phone, with little accessories, go with the ****rocket
-If you want 0 custom ROMs and kernels, go with the ****rocket
But if you don't want any of those things, buy:
-Samsung Galaxy SII
-AT&T Samsung Galaxy SII
-Samsung Galaxy Note
*All of the above are much much faster and smoother than a ****rocket
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This post made me lol.
Must be the 13 year old in me.
If you don't care about performance or roms then buy any phone none really compare to the gsII.....I have both and I can't stand the skyrocket
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The Skyrocket is a nice piece of hardware, but do you even have LTE where you live or is your city slated to get it in the next 12 months or so? Do you travel alot? Why are you worried about "higher end?" Is the phone for your enjoyment and use or to impress everyone else on the street?
-D
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It's what he wants, why do you care?
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Skyrocketeer
The rom development for the skyrocket was slow but they are available. I actually have the skyrocket and am quite happy with it. I had the gsII and exchanged it, but checked for any available roms for the skrocket because i was gonna try and get the gsII back and found a rom called skyrocketeer. I rooted and installed this rom which is void of all the at&t extra crap, and it's a beast now. there was a choppyness with the video playback of xvid files which is now gone and it simply runs faster. I installed antutu benchmark and it now ranks above the gsII only third to the asus transformer and galaxy nexus. Simply put the choice is your's as to which you prefer. screen may not be as sharp but it looks pretty damn good to me on video playback this may be because of extra settings on the gsII player to regulate the color which im sure one developer will add on then there wouldnt be much of a difference but the screen size
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The rom development for the skyrocket was slow but they are available. I actually have the skyrocket and am quite happy with it. I had the gsII and exchanged it, but checked for any available roms for the skrocket because i was gonna try and get the gsII back and found a rom called skyrocketeer. I rooted and installed this rom which is void of all the at&t extra crap, and it's a beast now. there was a choppyness with the video playback of xvid files which is now gone and it simply runs faster. I installed antutu benchmark and it now ranks above the gsII only third to the asus transformer and galaxy nexus. Simply put the choice is your's as to which you prefer. screen may not be as sharp but it looks pretty damn good to me on video playback this may be because of extra settings on the gsII player to regulate the color which im sure one developer will add on then there wouldnt be much of a difference but the screen size
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Thanks for your nice informative post. I have the GS2, in the 30 day window, and leaning toward Skyrocket, mainly for larger screen. Nice to hear there are improvements available for it, such as the ROM you mentioned.
No LTE in my area yet. Seems Skyrocket also gets better speed on HSPA too. And seems you can change APN's as a sort of work around to turn off LTE if you wish.
Still learning a lot thanks to nice posts like this one!
Thanks again!
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Seriously? That is the worst comparison I have seen, you clearly dont know what you are talking about ... LOL
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+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skyrocket is the bastardized version of the GS2s.
OK, AT&T is going to give me an out-of-cycle upgrade due to so many issues with my Captivate. I was already convinced that I wanted the SGSII until I saw the new SGSIISR. I'm not in an LTE area and don't expect to be any time soon, but the specs on the SR look too good to pass up. Unfortunately, I read a lot of issues with the SR's BT operation and that's one function I use a lot (streaming Slacker and MP3s in car and on my Harley). I also read that the SR does not have Gorilla Glass, something I really liked about my Cappy. Is there anything about the SR that I would regret not having if I choose to go with the SGSII?
My other concern is what can I bring over from my Cappy via TiBU? I'm running Andromeda3 (love it!) on the Cappy with a few tweaks (circle batt mod, for one). Will any of them cause issues on the SGSII? Thanks for the help.
As far as things with the sr, if you don't have LTE YET In your area, there is no reason for you to get the sr in my opinion.
There are great roms over here, but your Andromeda will not work to my knowledge.
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The biggest question is...
Is 4.5" too big? I have an Infuse and it's too big. The sgs2 is the perfect size for me.
I also don't like to be the early adopter. Let everyone else work out the LTE kinks then jump over next gen when the coverage is more complete.
There is nothing about the SR other than LTE that exceeds the I777 in specs, other than the larger screen size.
The SR is heavier
The SR is thicker
The SR has a weaker processor (clock speed isn't everything - think Pentium 4 vs. Athlon XP as an example)
The SR has shorter battery life (LTE + Snapdragon + lots of bugs due to being a niche almost-one-off device with low design maturity) despite having slightly higher battery capacity - LTE alone is more than enough to offset this.
The SR has zero commonality with Samsung's international flagship, the I9100.
Entropy512 said:
There is nothing about the SR other than LTE that exceeds the I777 in specs, other than the larger screen size.
The SR is heavier
The SR is thicker
The SR has a weaker processor (clock speed isn't everything - think Pentium 4 vs. Athlon XP as an example)
The SR has shorter battery life (LTE + Snapdragon + lots of bugs due to being a niche almost-one-off device with low design maturity) despite having slightly higher battery capacity - LTE alone is more than enough to offset this.
The SR has zero commonality with Samsung's international flagship, the I9100.
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Exactly what I was looking for. I was concerned about the size. With my failing eyes I tend towards bigger screens, but as I handle the phone while riding my bike I need something that isn't too big. I also want better battery life. Guess I'll stick to the SGSII. I like that there is a ton of DEV support for it. Now, if someone can point me to a ROM as good as Andromeda3...
I am stuck in same debate but I live in a lte market but still consider phone but I like large screen but enough to give up a better quality phone and cm9 is important so no one saying if either will get it.
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Miami_Son said:
Exactly what I was looking for. I was concerned about the size. With my failing eyes I tend towards bigger screens, but as I handle the phone while riding my bike I need something that isn't too big. I also want better battery life. Guess I'll stick to the SGSII. I like that there is a ton of DEV support for it. Now, if someone can point me to a ROM as good as Andromeda3...
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as far as a good ROM goes it is really up to what you like. Do you like touchwiz? Do you like AOSP? there are soooo many options for this phone because you can use ROMs from this section, or you can head over to the i9100 forum and grab something up from over there and use the hellraiser mod to make it compatible with our device. I personally use the turkbey 29.3GT ROM, with the siyah 2.4.2 kernel, and Ive never been more satisfied. heres a link to the turkbey post http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...ds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFFmWlIqH4NuisG7tHvQbTow-CceQ
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rboone18 said:
I am stuck in same debate but I live in a lte market but still consider phone but I like large screen but enough to give up a better quality phone and cm9 is important so no one saying if either will get it.
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I also live in an LTE market, BUT, I usually use WiFi anyway. I went with the GS II, and I couldn't be happier with my decision. My brother has the SR, and the GS II is smoother/faster/more liquid than the SR by far. The qualcomm processor/adreno 220 gpu in the SR can't even hold a candle to the exynos/mali 400 combo in the GS II, even though its clocked @ 1.5 ghz, the 1.2 ghz exynos is faster, by far. Not to mention the SR feels like your holding a VCR, lol. I had the T989 before I had my GS II, and as I said before, my brother currently has the SR and the Atrix 4g, and he constantly uses his Atrix as his daily driver, I even think the tegra2 in the atrix is better than the qualcomm. And keep in mind, as u can tell from my list of previous devices below, I am unbiased as to manufacturer, if its android, and I like it, I use it. Period. I am being 100% honest when I say in my opinion the GS II i777 is the best device Ive ever owned, and even with the release of the galaxy nexus, I STILL believe IMHO its still the best device on the market, besides the resolution and ICS (which we'll have soon anyway) the i777 pulls ahead in hardware.
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as far as a good ROM goes it is really up to what you like. Do you like touchwiz? Do you like AOSP? there are soooo many options for this phone because you can use ROMs from this section, or you can head over to the i9100 forum and grab something up from over there and use the hellraiser mod to make it compatible with our device. I personally use the turkbey 29.3GT ROM, with the siyah 2.4.2 kernel, and Ive never been more satisfied. heres a link to the turkbey post http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...ds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFFmWlIqH4NuisG7tHvQbTow-CceQ
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I also live in an LTE market, BUT, I usually use WiFi anyway. I went with the GS II, and I couldn't be happier with my decision. My brother has the SR, and the GS II is smoother/faster/more liquid than the SR by far. The qualcomm processor/adreno 220 gpu in the SR can't even hold a candle to the exynos/mali 400 combo in the GS II, even though its clocked @ 1.5 ghz, the 1.2 ghz exynos is faster, by far. Not to mention the SR feels like your holding a VCR, lol. I had the T989 before I had my GS II, and as I said before, my brother currently has the SR and the Atrix 4g, and he constantly uses his Atrix as his daily driver, I even think the tegra2 in the atrix is better than the qualcomm. And keep in mind, as u can tell from my list of previous devices below, I am unbiased as to manufacturer, if its android, and I like it, I use it. Period. I am being 100% honest when I say in my opinion the GS II i777 is the best device Ive ever owned, and even with the release of the galaxy nexus, I STILL believe IMHO its still the best device on the market, besides the resolution and ICS (which we'll have soon anyway) the i777 pulls ahead in hardware.
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I like cm7 but I want cm9 on my device so I am.looking to the future and it is a must. I like asop roms mainly but every so often I switch. I have an infuse now with cm7.
This year, I have had atrix,inspire,iPhone 4,infuse. I feel like I an forgetting another android.
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I like cm7 but I want cm9 on my device so I am.looking to the future and it is a must. I like asop roms mainly but every so often I switch. I have an infuse now with cm7.
This year, I have had atrix,inspire,iPhone 4,infuse. I feel like I an forgetting another android.
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in that case they have something called superosr you should check out. Its in the i777 forum and its a mixture of vanilla and cm7. Its really cool, you get the best of both worlds. We also have cm7 and Im sure cm9 and ICS soon enough. The GS II's development is going to continue to boom for a long time, the device is just too damn good for it not too. Look at the evo, or the nexus for example, older phone but the devving STILL continues no matter how outdated they are. This device is a safe bet, and its ROM selection will definitely provide you with something that suits your wants/needs.
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in that case they have something called superosr you should check out. Its in the i777 forum and its a mixture of vanilla and cm7. Its really cool, you get the best of both worlds. We also have cm7 and Im sure cm9 and ICS soon enough. The GS II's development is going to continue to boom for a long time, the device is just too damn good for it not too. Look at the evo, or the nexus for example, older phone but the devving STILL continues no matter how outdated they are. This device is a safe bet, and its ROM selection will definitely provide you with something that suits your wants/needs.
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I am calling att tomorrow to exchange my SR for the Sgsii, I'm in a LTE area too but the problems with the lines in this screen and just not feeling too snappy for a 1.5 dual core changed my mind. You also just pushed me over the edge so thank you, future galaxy s II owner here!
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(See what I did there.)
This post is an attempt to make sure I understand the difference between the "European" version of the Note (the N7000) and the "American" version of the Note (the i717). I've ordered an i717, which they tell me will arrive on the 7th, but I know there are two versions and they're not... quite... the same.
Based on what I've reasearched so far, these are the differences:
N7000
The N7000 has a dual core processor that is numerically slower (1.4ghz dual core vs 1.5ghz dual core for the i717) but actually clocks faster in tests. Owners of the N7000 claim performance is generally smoother, but...
... that may be because the N7000 also doesn't have bloatware.
The N7000 has also, at this point, been upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich, unless...
... you're in the US, where everyone reports the ICS upgrade fails, because it's not being pushed through US networks. You have to apparently connect to a European network to get it...
... and flashing an ICS ROM is also problematic, because there's an incompatibility in the processor that causes a lot of roms to overwrite parts of the phone it shouldn't overwrite, resulting in a brick.
The N7000 is physically different from the i717 as well. It has a physical "home" button below the screen, which also doubles as the unlock button.
The N7000 also lacks an antenna that the i717 has, which allows the i717 to receive FM radio stations. [EDIT: Comment #2 has pointed out that this is wrong--the N7000 can receive FM, the i717 cannot.]
Finally, the N7000 has a slightly more powerful battery than the i717.
i717
The i717 has a numerically faster processor (1.5ghz dual core) but seems to clock in slower on tests. It is also loaded to the gills with a number of AT&T "enhancements" that may be degrading performance.
The main reason the i717 has a different processor is to support LTE. The i717 supports LTE on AT&T. (the N7000, which can work on AT&T If you put a SIM card in it, will not support LTE.) However, it does not appear to support anything more than 2G on TMobile without some serious configuration.
The i717 does not have the "home" button below the screen. The power button (on the right side of the phone) can be used to unlock the screen.
Some places I've browsed through claims the i717 camera is better than the N7000s. One side by side comparison even claimed that the i717 had continuous autofocus while the N7000 did not. I haven't seen this verified anywhere else.
The i717 doesn't appear to have the same problem with ROMs that the N7000 has. At least, there is no urgent notice in the General and Q&A forums for the i717 warning that a number of ICS ROMS will trigger a bug in the processor that will overwrite things it shouldn't and brick your phone, and I figure most of you guys would have noticed that.
The i717 will get ICS. At some point. As soon as Samsung finishes AT&Ting it. Nobody knows when, but someone said something about July. Once that happens, the source will be available, and ROMs can start incorporating fun things like processor overclocking and other kernel optimizations.
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Both the N7000 and the i717 are power hungry beasts, mostly because they have gorgeous, power-hungry, Super AMOLED screens that are freaking huge. Standby battery time for the Note is great. The problem is when you actually try to use it as a smartphone...
Thus, extended batteries become very attractive accessories, as long as you ignore that they are mostly ugly and incompatible with some of the really cool brushed metal cases I've seen pictures of in the forums. Apparently you can get an extended battery for $15, which I didn't discover until after I bought my Mugen. I'm paying an extra $85 for a kickstand. Still, it's a shiny kickstand.
The N7000 and the i717 have a counter that keeps track of how many times you flash your phone. The current working theory is this counter is used to determine if you're a dirty stinking hacker who has voided his or her warranty. To date I haven't seen any reports of people who have been refused support or had their warranty voided because of this thing, but it's there.
Both phones are described as "huge" by the press, but they're actually smaller than the cellphones we had back in the early 90s. The press is full of silly people.
Regardless of whether you buy an N7000 or an i717, someone at Gizmodo puts you on an enemies list.
That is, in summary, everything I've been able to find about both phones. Did I miss anything/get anything wrong?
You got one thing backwards. The I717 is the one that lacks the FM radio functionality, while the N7000 has it.
The processors are not just running at different clocks, they are totally different architectures. The N7000 has a dual core Exynos made internally by Samsung. It is paired with a beastly ARM Mali 400 GPU. To support LTE, the I717 has put in a dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon S3 , paired with a more pedestrian Adreno 220. While the N7000 processor and GPU are more advanced in theory, in real life, both phones are more than capable performers. The LTE network speeds of I717 however run circles around N7000, and the fallback HSPA+ speed is no slouch. It basically boils down to network speed versus raw CPU/GPU performance numbers. If I was you, I would choose the faster network, because the Galaxy S III and HTC One X already have eclipsed the SOC of N7000, which is just a Galaxy S II on the inside, and in a year or two, those numbers will also be beaten. The I717 LTE speed is still on par with the best phones out there, and will be so for years to come.
Battery life, screen quality, software, etc., are about the same. The bloatware in the I717 is not really a performance killer, and stripping it away only requires root and a little know how.
Thanks for the correction.
I don't think I'll have any problems with the i717, but I'm paying an extra $100 for speed I can't use. There's no LTE in Clarksburg, WV, and I expect I'll grow old and die before it ever gets here. For the most part I find 3G network speeds more than acceptable for browsing the internet and downloading the occasional podcast. I'm also a bit concerned about the amount of battery drain will be caused by the phone searching for LTE. When I was on Sprint my Evo would constantly try to create a 4g connection until I turned 4g off.
i own the n7000 model and just picked up the i717 today. Im very surprised at how responsive this phone is how cool it runs on stock GIngerbread v. The n7000
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No lte but u might may still get 3.5g. Its not the fastest. But still a lot faster then 2g and 3g
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Read the reviews of the I717. Most state that the battery life of the phone while on LTE radio is surprisingly good, and almost the same as the N7000. The Evo had a bug causing excessive battery drain. The I717 suffers from no such issues, either on or off LTE. The 2100 mAh battery is plenty big enough to go all day with normal usage pattern.
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ryan562 said:
i own the n7000 model and just picked up the i717 today. Im very surprised at how responsive this phone is how cool it runs on stock GIngerbread v. The n7000
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Flash ICS on it. I find it even better. I am on stock LE2 ROM with root and deleted bloat. Currently at 329 hours up time, and still no lag
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rajendra82 said:
Flash ICS on it. I find it even better. I am on stock LE2 ROM with root and deleted bloat. Currently at 329 hours up time, and still no lag
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awesome thanks for the recommendation.
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