I've had a phone from most android manufacturers (Samsung Galaxy Ace, LG Optimus One, HTC Wildfire, Motorola Atrix (for a few weeks)) and out of all of them, I preferred the Sony ones, Xperia PLAY, and Xperia U. Why? Because they actually have software that the manufacturer has clearly spent time on.
Lately, the Xperia sections on xda have deteriorated into a piece of sh#t, with people whining about updates and expecting everything.
Not just Sony, they seem to be bashing developers too. If someone doesn't want to release something, then they don't have to, at all.
What people expect here is a release of a official update literally a week after source release, well that's not going to happen. They have to implement their board and hardware as well as kernel and vendor trees into the source, rewrite all applications and software, update the kernel, update all of the graphics, update themes, get it certified by Google, then tested, then released, and this could take up to 6-8 month. Sure, I bet you could say they could just use vanilla, but they can't, they have to stick with their proprietary UI if they are updating a phone that uses that UI.
Sony provide developers with source code and instructions, as well as reworked binaries, and have recently provided The Android Open Source Project with a developer for the LT26 and also licensed binaries. They also provide devices through the developer loaner program.
Winging like an arsehole on here won't get you an update any quicker, and it only pisses of the few developers you have here.
If this persists, then I'm sorry to say this but I won't pay attention to xda at all, flaming a manufacturer on here does nothing apart from make you look like a total dickhead, and it won't get you anywhere. Sony never signed a contract saying they will update any phone, and until they do, I won't expect an update.
As I said, a few more snide remarks pointed at Sony and I'm gone, to somewhere where you can actually post a topic, and develop, where someone will not demand a fix or not read any of the thread and ask stupid questions. And any abuse directed towards any developer and I'm gone for good, no looking back. People like jerpelea and Kali work for hours writing lines of code and you guys demand fixes and complain when a release is missed.
'Keiran
As you said, the problem is that most people are so closed minded they they don't realize that the world don't spin around them.
Using the subject here: Sony is a company. A Multi Billionaire company. That means they are part of the capitalism, which leads to the idea: Win Money. At the end, what they want to do is that. But they choose to be a good company, and offer support to their users. But if they are too much supportive, they won't win money. Do they have to put the bad and good things, and find an equilibrium between support and money. At my point of view, they are close to it.
Everyone thinks it's easy to run a company of that size. It isn't. That is what's missing here. This vision.
"What really matters in this world, anyway?"
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Its not an joke.. This time the meme is serious..
In reality, its real.
I can write a whole page about those people but nevermind. Let them be them, let us be us.
And what if Sony didnt give a single f8ck like other companys?
Be happy what you get.
This is just what i gonna say.
Respect others work, respect the big firms and respect each other. If you think you can do it better then show us your work. If not? Sorry to say, then please get the f8ck out of here.
No one has the right to disrespect each other.
And as user disrespecting an developer?
Unthankfull little sh8t, be happy its for free!
Be happy they make great work for just thank buttons!
Send from my high-end HD killerphone.
Here's how I see it...
Firstly, I can totally understand where you're coming from Keiran. As the thread created by K900 shown, the people demanding everything really does have a detrimental effect on not just you developers, but the rest of us users aswell. Afterall, if all of our devs decide to leave due to certain people's attitude, then it's a huge loss for our whole community.
Also, as my post said in that thread, it's truly sad to see the way XDA has turned out. When I first started lurking on this site was November last year and things were a lot better then. Obviously there was still people demanding things and thinking that the developers owed them something, but it wasn't as bad as it is now.
This is perfect proof that Operation Ironfist needs to brought back.
On the otherhand, I'll have to come against you for this bit.
Obviously I have no right to tell you what to do, and I wouldn't even dream of doing so, but saying you'll leave simply because people are bashing Sony is, in my opinion, laughable.
I truly respect the work you and the other developers over here have done and that won't change.
I just feel that a double-standard is being used here.
You say that if people don't stop demanding things from Sony and from you developers that you'll leave. That in itself, is demanding that people stop acting like that, to stop you leaving.
Also, you can't attempt to force people to change their opinions. Fair enough you prefer Sony devices, as do I as the majority of phones I've owned have been Sony/SE, but you cant change their mind.
That would be like me forcing you to change your mind about your thoughts on this forum. You'd effectively tell me to 'do one'.
This is in no way intended to degrade you or your work, it's simply my opinion. It would be good to hear your thoughts about this
James
KeiranFTW said:
I've had a phone from most android manufacturers (Samsung Galaxy Ace, LG Optimus One, HTC Wildfire, Motorola Atrix (for a few weeks)) and out of all of them, I preferred the Sony ones, Xperia PLAY, and Xperia U. Why? Because they actually have software that the manufacturer has clearly spent time on.
Lately, the Xperia sections on xda have deteriorated into a piece of sh#t, with people whining about updates and expecting everything.
Not just Sony, they seem to be bashing developers too. If someone doesn't want to release something, then they don't have to, at all.
What people expect here is a release of a official update literally a week after source release, well that's not going to happen. They have to implement their board and hardware as well as kernel and vendor trees into the source, rewrite all applications and software, update the kernel, update all of the graphics, update themes, get it certified by Google, then tested, then released, and this could take up to 6-8 month. Sure, I bet you could say they could just use vanilla, but they can't, they have to stick with their proprietary UI if they are updating a phone that uses that UI.
Sony provide developers with source code and instructions, as well as reworked binaries, and have recently provided The Android Open Source Project with a developer for the LT26 and also licensed binaries. They also provide devices through the developer loaner program.
Winging like an arsehole on here won't get you an update any quicker, and it only pisses of the few developers you have here.
If this persists, then I'm sorry to say this but I won't pay attention to xda at all, flaming a manufacturer on here does nothing apart from make you look like a total dickhead, and it won't get you anywhere. Sony never signed a contract saying they will update any phone, and until they do, I won't expect an update.
As I said, a few more snide remarks pointed at Sony and I'm gone, to somewhere where you can actually post a topic, and develop, where someone will not demand a fix or not read any of the thread and ask stupid questions. And any abuse directed towards any developer and I'm gone for good, no looking back. People like jerpelea and Kali work for hours writing lines of code and you guys demand fixes and complain when a release is missed.
'Keiran
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Totally agree, was time that someone says that. This bashing and *****ing became extreme in the last weeks. Totally annoying.
I only want to read positive things from now on.:highfive:
I noticed a trend. Most of them who shoot Sony came from the same country. Same for those who always complain about minor issues that can be easly solved. I'm not being racist, but facts are facts. Besides, they are always comparing Sony with Samsung but seemed to forget to compare with LG and Mototrola.
I say leave the modding for the mods and do our work. Noone here is a nobody to regulate people's expressions. If something is out of the way the mods are here to bring it on track. Moreover what memebers say here is their opinion which we should not try to stop, it is a forum after all, a community.
Don't mind those who don't matter. Those who matter won't mind. Simple as that.
Tapatalked !
Hello peeps, looks like another thread on the same issue !
Need I say more ?
BTW why are you getting so carried away with what they / others say ?
Regarding the devs, if anyone uses a demanding / demeaning tone while interacting with them just tell anyone of us(me & E.Cadro) and we'll do the needful.
Please don't make me repeat the above guys.
Cheers & Regards,
'cooleagle'
As i speak here,Yes i have some problem within my device which sony have very bad customer service and blaming device faulty on the user.
I do want to bash them until end of the world but on the bright side.
Xperia U & Sola user should have read properly what sony blog has written.
Next up, we can confirm the global versions of Xperia S, Xperia acro S, Xperia ion, Xperia P, Xperia go and Xperia J will be upgraded to Android 4.1* – we will be back with detailed timings for these in due course.
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They mean they can confirm that those above devices is guranteed to receive Android 4.1
but did they ever mention they will not release Jellybean for the Xperia U & Sola? *think twice*
Sony will constant release software update for the Xperia Flagship device and midrange like they did on the ICS release on Xperia 2011 line up
They release for the Arc S & Neo V & Ray before continuing with those small screen and lil devices.
It's a sad new to Xperia 2011 that i couldn't say much
We were glad to provide the Android 4.0.4 upgrade for our 2011 Xperia portfolio across most markets and the majority of models but, after thorough evaluation, we have concluded they will not be upgraded beyond Ice Cream Sandwich.
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As they did stated that it's not upgradable to JB but they did not say that Sola & U is not upgradable
So for this section of Forum.
I don't own a Xperia NXT but this is line up that has dual core which Sony Will Come out with updates after they release updates for high end & high end mid range NXT & Arc series.
As explain keiran there's long process as company to release and update not just build up from source and pushed out to user and ta-da
Massive bug report flaming over android's forum.
I think there's bright possibility update reaches on the NXT series for JB but sadly they won't update for sure for the Xperia 2011
I don't wanna say much. I know that everyone does make mistakes, so we should not mind them. Don't care about the other people's speech or opinion or just not to reply to their troll or demanding comment. Just care about the post which is helpful to your work. Since NO one is perfect and beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, you can't comfort them ALL. You only do what's good for you and it'll be the BEST choice u've ever made!
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I go Sony Xperia Go with ICS. I too agree there is no pointing bashing Sony since for me if a phone fulfill one's need then it does not matter whether it has GB or ICS or JB. Since most of the apps and games available run well in my Sony Xperia Device. I am satisfied with Sony
Seriously?! Sony UI is vanilla android with cool & great color themes and that useless timescape. Walkman & album apps are also nice but apart from that there's not so many features standing out from Samsung or HTC. Sony didn't even have notification bar toggle until now. I'm finding it hard to find extra Sony exclusive features.
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Galaxen said:
Seriously?! Sony UI is vanilla android with cool & great color themes and that useless timescape. Walkman & album apps are also nice but apart from that there's not so many features standing out from Samsung or HTC. Sony didn't even have notification bar toggle until now. I'm finding it hard to find extra Sony exclusive features.
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Sony UI is vanilla droid? :crying: Like Google's android works out of the box? Just like that?
gosh... tell me I didn't read this.
I had a HTC before the SXS and the software was CRAP... laggy, buggy, crashy, not optimized at all, they never even tried to FIX it. Same with Samsung, laggy, buggy, crashy. Samsung devices actually make that up with quadcore's and stuff. You can actually tell that Sony is putting a lot of effort in optimizing their software for their phones.
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Sony UI is vanilla droid? :crying: Like Google's android works out of the box? Just like that?
gosh... tell me I didn't read this.
I had a HTC before the SXS and the software was CRAP... laggy, buggy, crashy, not optimized at all, they never even tried to FIX it. Same with Samsung, laggy, buggy, crashy. Samsung devices actually make that up with quadcore's and stuff. You can actually tell that Sony is putting a lot of effort in optimizing their software for their phones.
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Totally agree, observing the evolution from X10/Arc/S.
The progress is huge.
Yea Sony Rules even if they dont update the 2011 line , its ok because i am going to move on to another sony phone ( xperia v ) , Manufacturers wont update phones for a lifetime!! , phones need to get discounted every now and then .... its good sony released ics for whole 2011 line ( no play ) and look at htc , moto and samsung.... Moto just finished updating devices to ICS ..... Samsung selects only a few to upgrade ( mostly flagships) .....
Be happy that Sony has updated atleast ICS and they said "we will continue to improve ICS software on your phones"
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KeiranFTW said:
I've had a phone from most android manufacturers (Samsung Galaxy Ace, LG Optimus One, HTC Wildfire, Motorola Atrix (for a few weeks)) and out of all of them, I preferred the Sony ones, Xperia PLAY, and Xperia U. Why? Because they actually have software that the manufacturer has clearly spent time on.
Lately, the Xperia sections on xda have deteriorated into a piece of sh#t, with people whining about updates and expecting everything.
Not just Sony, they seem to be bashing developers too. If someone doesn't want to release something, then they don't have to, at all.
What people expect here is a release of a official update literally a week after source release, well that's not going to happen. They have to implement their board and hardware as well as kernel and vendor trees into the source, rewrite all applications and software, update the kernel, update all of the graphics, update themes, get it certified by Google, then tested, then released, and this could take up to 6-8 month. Sure, I bet you could say they could just use vanilla, but they can't, they have to stick with their proprietary UI if they are updating a phone that uses that UI.
Sony provide developers with source code and instructions, as well as reworked binaries, and have recently provided The Android Open Source Project with a developer for the LT26 and also licensed binaries. They also provide devices through the developer loaner program.
Winging like an arsehole on here won't get you an update any quicker, and it only pisses of the few developers you have here.
If this persists, then I'm sorry to say this but I won't pay attention to xda at all, flaming a manufacturer on here does nothing apart from make you look like a total dickhead, and it won't get you anywhere. Sony never signed a contract saying they will update any phone, and until they do, I won't expect an update.
As I said, a few more snide remarks pointed at Sony and I'm gone, to somewhere where you can actually post a topic, and develop, where someone will not demand a fix or not read any of the thread and ask stupid questions. And any abuse directed towards any developer and I'm gone for good, no looking back. People like jerpelea and Kali work for hours writing lines of code and you guys demand fixes and complain when a release is missed.
'Keiran
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Fair enough but if you cant understand the frustration people show when they have either not received promised updates or are having to put up with buggy firmwares when all the while Sony remain tight lipped then you are just one of the dickheads and arseholes to be honest, only difference is you are trying to take the moral high ground. Hot fixes for things like proximity sensors, data, bluetooth audio etc. should happen quickly, Sony already have the firmware and have been working with it for months.
Sony is its own worst enemy unfortunately.
FWIW telling people you are leaving a forum is one of the oldest tricks in the book, it is like telling someone you are going to commit suicide, you are just after the attention.
I don't think Sony ever told that Xperia 2011 will be getting JB at the first place. But it was 2011 users expecting JB since lot of them have similar specs to 2012 devices. So to expect Sony let them down by not upgrading 2011 xperia to JB is not proper
I think people just feel a bit let down. The whole 'android gang' or whatever it was called was about updates for 18 months. Now all of the manufacturers are guilty of this (and it's why I think there are so many new Nexus devices because Google know it didn't work) but people feel a bit conned. It's one thing not having new OS versions but another entirely to have many bugs unfixed for so long.
Customers are of course ungrateful gits. The more you give the more they demand...
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Sony UI is vanilla droid? :crying: Like Google's android works out of the box? Just like that?
gosh... tell me I didn't read this.
I had a HTC before the SXS and the software was CRAP... laggy, buggy, crashy, not optimized at all, they never even tried to FIX it. Same with Samsung, laggy, buggy, crashy. Samsung devices actually make that up with quadcore's and stuff. You can actually tell that Sony is putting a lot of effort in optimizing their software for their phones.
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Like the first ICS for SXS was smooth as butter? After Sony had over 9 months to optimize it?! Gimme a break, what Sony needs is to employ more software developers so they can do the job faster and more efficient. You get the feeling that Sony has 3-4 guys coding etc...
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And pardon me if this sounds totally uninformed, but...
Do we now know for sure that the X10's multitouch is a hardware limitation? I searched around here for a definitive answer (since Sony's direct statement might be false) but couldn't find one. Is it possible to run an extremely low level program to truly test multi-touch capability on a screen?
Well, there is only way to know
I saw on modaco forums some C code how to modify the driver to enable multitouch (in case is supported by hardware)
Problem is finding somebody to modify/compile/test the driver.
I'd also like to get to the bottom of this and know for once and for all.
I found the post again:
http://android.modaco.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=305509&view=findpost&p=1235768
Now, poke jerpelea to give it a try
I downloaded the source code for the x10 and took a look at the screen driver. There is no multi touch code in there at all that i could see. Driver might need serious editing to even try.
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MeZmeriZe_ said:
I downloaded the source code for the x10 and took a look at the screen driver. There is no multi touch code in there at all that i could see. Driver might need serious editing to even try.
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Just throwing a concept out there...
Could it be that SE didn't add multitouch to driver because there is no multitouch capable hardware? Just an idea of course, they might be deceiving us when they say that the hardware doesn't support it. Everyone knows that the more complex the hardware is the cheaper it is to purchase...
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I downloaded the source code for the x10 and took a look at the screen driver. There is no multi touch code in there at all that i could see. Driver might need serious editing to even try.
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Well, the code is in the the link i posted before
Now somebody can try to compile it ...
bump bump!
somebody who knows how to compile andriod apps should try this
I'm a new user and can't post links but according to androidandme.com "Xperia X10 series to receive Android 2.1 in Q4"
There will be android 2.1 on the X10 series, which includes multi touch.
Perhaps I'm I've misunderstood the question but wouldn't that imply that the hardware does support multi-touch, or will the X10 be running android 2.1 without multi-touch support?
Is there even *one* good reason for Sony Ericsson to say there won't be multitouch even in the Android 2.1 Update later this year if they were capable of enabling multitouch?
I mean, come on, wouldn't it like... be a awesome feature for them to add to their already awesome top-of-the-line phone that would get them even more customers?
I highly doubt they'd disable multitouch if they already built in multi-touch capable hardware, just for the hell of it...
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Is there even *one* good reason for Sony Ericsson to say there won't be multitouch even in the Android 2.1 Update later this year if they were capable of enabling multitouch?
I mean, come on, wouldn't it like... be a awesome feature for them to add to their already awesome top-of-the-line phone that would get them even more customers?
I highly doubt they'd disable multitouch if they already built in multi-touch capable hardware, just for the hell of it...
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It could be a patented technology. Like the touchpad of most notebook, they are not "multitouch" but, with some magic drivers, they are (The technology is copyrighted by Apple in this case, like the two-finger-scrolling).
actually, i think se said no multitouch because they want to avoid a lawsuit from apple. isnt the htc suit about apple multitouch patents among other things?
LG, Samsung and most others are to big and have lots of patents of their own... apple want smaller fish like htc and SE...... se would want to avoid that as they have not done well of late, so they dont have money to waste on lawsuits. not saying it can do multitouch, just saying SE might not want it to.
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SE wont be brining multi-touch to their phones any time too soon. This is due to Apple holding the patent.
They will bring in one finger zooming and editing though.
There are videos out there that show how that work, it's pretty good. I can see this getting added on the 2.1 update.
Besides, they didn't add the multi-touch to the x10.
The hardware in all the SE Android phones are currently not capable of multi touch.
If anyone out there claims to be an SE fan they will know that SE never go all out on any of there products and if they can they will cut the manufacturer costs but up sell there own features (like Mediascape) to warrant the high prices they charge.
Could people please check the forums before posting 6 month old questions as I thought this thread would have been about Custom x10 Roms instead of this old debate yet again.
Everyone needs to get over it. The current SE android range will NOT HAVE MULTI TOUCH.
I know this because i read the blogs and the threads in this forum and finally the SE product blog clearly spells it out as well.
Now what about custom roms with 2.2 goodness?
And here we go again...great...I hope that someone will ask this AGAIN on Friday...
hey its friday today!
so anybody know if x10 will have multi touch? lol
I don't see why this is such a crazy question, considering Sony's track record of making statements to the effect of "this is not possible" only to do a full 180 months later and say "well, now we're no longer being sued, it turns out it WAS possible".
Case in point: PS3's motion controller & dual-shock. "They will NEVER, can NEVER work together!" and months later, "oh, yes they can".
I remember Sony fans at the time saying "stop asking for rumble! It's NEVER coming back, Sony said so". I for one always said "bull****, it WILL be back, it HAS to be back!" and lo and behold, it came back.
The moral is: never say never. Especially when Sony are involved. If you don't ask, you don't get. And, if everyone shuts up about it, Sony's scientific division can just say "ah, they've forgotten about multi-touch now, we seem to have gotten away with it... set the monkey-boffins in the lab another task, Igor..."
I'm Just wondering since we have 2.2 now, do you think that we enjoy using our phones more because we have 2.2/2.3 or do you think its was overhyped because of the frequent updates of other companies? Personally I believe I enjoy my x10 more since the mods came out and i like the fact that there are more apps available to me and I think its nice to have the Gallery app as a default. Also the JIT compiler is nice to improve the speed of the device but maybe we overhyped the benefit of 2.2.
What do you guys think?
not really... bugged DT, no 16m collors, no official froyo with everything working, 30FPS limit.... it's my fault i bought this phone because of it's good looks before i read about it...
2.2 is definitely an upgrade, spending 10 months on a phone that can't browse properly after my 2 year old n95 had Flash was very frustrating, although I have it installed I still think dueltouch is a nice feature but very overrated, don't care much for 16m colours but in retrospect the X10 wil be my last SE phone for the simple reason that they didn't keep there promises.
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to be fair though we got dual touch and flash support now, x10 currently quite laggy in custom froyo, not sure whether it's hardware related or tweaking. it's not comparable with other high end device.
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2.2 is definitely an upgrade, spending 10 months on a phone that can't browse properly after my 2 year old n95 had Flash was very frustrating, although I have it installed I still think dueltouch is a nice feature but very overrated, don't care much for 16m colours but in retrospect the X10 wil be my last SE phone for the simple reason that they didn't keep there promises.
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What promise did they break? None that I know of, and they gave us dualtouch after selling this phone as incapable due to hardware. They only said update to 2.1. Misinformation like this is what is causing all this ill-will for SE.
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They may not have broken a promise but they fail to adhere to standards we have come to expect from devices of the same type. Theres no real excuse. Sony should have stepped up there game to put them in a good light. Now people will be hesitant to buy an se phone if they have so many short comings. I feel that 2.2 brought a lot of key features which made me enjoy my phone much more
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They may not have broken a promise but they fail to adhere to standards we have come to expect from devices of the same type. Theres no real excuse. Sony should have stepped up there game to put them in a good light. Now people will be hesitant to buy an se phone if they have so many short comings. I feel that 2.2 brought a lot of key features which made me enjoy my phone much more
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Again, Misinformation! Failed to adhere to standards... blah blah blah? Android and smartphones are a new developing technology, and what is standard in this type of industry is here today gone tomorrow. SE is still developing this device, and will continue to do so on 2.1. We have had 4 recent updates with more coming. SE's mistake was being honest and open about their intentions before they realistically needed to. We just got 2.1 in November.
Pretending now that having the latest OS is expected for the X10, when we all bought this phone knowing it came with outdated 1.6 is ridiculous. It boggles my mind. What universe do live in?
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16m colors was a promise..
Anyway i don't even care about official updates, se's version of android sucks in my opinion.
I'm quite happy with freex10. If it want for the devs on here with custom ROMs i would probably hate my phone..
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Again, Misinformation! Failed to adhere to standards... blah blah blah? Android and smartphones are a new developing technology, and what is standard in this type of industry is here today gone tomorrow. SE is still developing this device, and will continue to do so on 2.1. We have had 4 recent updates with more coming. SE's mistake was being honest and open about their intentions before they realistically needed to. We just got 2.1 in November.
Pretending now that having the latest OS is expected for the X10, when we all bought this phone knowing it came with outdated 1.6 is ridiculous. It boggles my mind. What universe do live in?
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I fully understand that technology is developing rapidly specialy in the mobile phone game believe me and i think you fail to understand what i mean by standards. I mean standards as in the ones set by other manufacturers. Take the HTC desire for example. 2.2 wasnt out when it was launched however they updated it to 2.2 when it was available. HTC have changed the android device quite heavily with there senses UI yet they were still able to produce a 2.2 update for the phone.
I understand you may be angry at the moaners who say it should be updated to 2.3 or it should be updated as soon as the source code for 2.x is released. You've got to understand that we have bought a device which is capable of running a newer OS but SE haven't implemented a newer version.
Yes props to them for getting dual touch working but it seems like they havent fully gotten up to the standards of other manufacturers and they should try to do this otherwise they will fall behind.
When people like us buy a phone, we look to see if its going to be up to date in a year. The x10 is failing to get up to date in 6 months and its already being put on the sidelines. Yes sony are releasing updates but they seem to be too fragmented. The 2.1 update didnt have exchange, 16mil colours etc these features should've been included from the start.
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I fully understand that technology is developing rapidly specialy in the mobile phone game believe me and i think you fail to understand what i mean by standards. I mean standards as in the ones set by other manufacturers. Take the HTC desire for example. 2.2 wasnt out when it was launched however they updated it to 2.2 when it was available. HTC have changed the android device quite heavily with there senses UI yet they were still able to produce a 2.2 update for the phone.
I understand you may be angry at the moaners who say it should be updated to 2.3 or it should be updated as soon as the source code for 2.x is released. You've got to understand that we have bought a device which is capable of running a newer OS but SE haven't implemented a newer version.
Yes props to them for getting dual touch working but it seems like they havent fully gotten up to the standards of other manufacturers and they should try to do this otherwise they will fall behind.
When people like us buy a phone, we look to see if its going to be up to date in a year. The x10 is failing to get up to date in 6 months and its already being put on the sidelines. Yes sony are releasing updates but they seem to be too fragmented. The 2.1 update didnt have exchange, 16mil colours etc these features should've been included from the start.
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You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
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You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
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Im sorry but I completely disagree. Companies like Sony should be pressured into competing with other manufacturers and I think your car example isnt relevant. If the car was capped at 40mph when it could do 120mph then it may be applicable or if a new computer came with windows 98.
If we didnt have any expectations then the market wouldnt move forward. Smartphones would be a stagnated market and there would be no competition. These standards drive competition and I'm not crazy for having them and I'm sure many people on this forum feel the same way.
You may think I'm expecting too much but all I want is for sony to keep up with other manufacturers and ensure that the phone reaches its full potential. If I had a phone which was half the power of the x10 e.g. 512mhz processor, 128mb RAM etc then I would be happy with 2.1 and a number of updates to optimise the phone. I would accept that its not capable and wait until i can afford an upgrade but this isnt the case. We know the x10 is capable of running 2.2 and it brings too many benifits for sony to ignore.
I see that your quite a stubborn person and you seem to be quite happy with sony trickling out updates as theyve done with all there phones. I know you probably havent read or fully taken in what I've said so please can you just let this go so the thread can get back on topic? I dont want to continue this argument as it seems youre too stubborn to talk to. I've repeated myself a number of times on this thread and I stand by my views that Sony should keep up with every other manufacturer.
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You expect too much, that's your problem. Say if you buy something today, are you expecting it to be updated? Like your car for example? Or Windows 7? You have to buy a new one...
Don't expect anything. Buy it, if you like it. Buy a new one, if you want a better model. Always works that way. You always have a choice...
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And by your logic manufacturers will always be free to screw their customers over just because for the past few years it's become the norm for them to release and shortly after, forget their handphones. And the x10 isn't even old. Android has changed the game. HTC gets it.
Is it unreasonable to expect Froyo on a device that by CURRENT standards, is still very competitively specd? And who cares if SE never promised Froyo for the first gen Android Xperias? We've got Froyo running thanks to some awesome devs here at xda, and the bootloader cracking is an ongoing project. There is still so much to do. So just sit back and watch.
To me, 2.2 is a significant upgrade. I know that SE plans to update the x10 but with improvements to 2.1 only. Thats fine, and props to SE for the support. But 2.2 is what this device really needs.
The X10 hardware is very crap..
So in my opinion SE can shove it.
2.3, 2.5, 3.0 won't fix the hardware..
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Im sorry but I completely disagree. Companies like Sony should be pressured into competing with other manufacturers and I think your car example isnt relevant. If the car was capped at 40mph when it could do 120mph then it may be applicable or if a new computer came with windows 98.
If we didnt have any expectations then the market wouldnt move forward. Smartphones would be a stagnated market and there would be no competition. These standards drive competition and I'm not crazy for having them and I'm sure many people on this forum feel the same way.
You may think I'm expecting too much but all I want is for sony to keep up with other manufacturers and ensure that the phone reaches its full potential. If I had a phone which was half the power of the x10 e.g. 512mhz processor, 128mb RAM etc then I would be happy with 2.1 and a number of updates to optimise the phone. I would accept that its not capable and wait until i can afford an upgrade but this isnt the case. We know the x10 is capable of running 2.2 and it brings too many benifits for sony to ignore.
I see that your quite a stubborn person and you seem to be quite happy with sony trickling out updates as theyve done with all there phones. I know you probably havent read or fully taken in what I've said so please can you just let this go so the thread can get back on topic? I dont want to continue this argument as it seems youre too stubborn to talk to. I've repeated myself a number of times on this thread and I stand by my views that Sony should keep up with every other manufacturer.
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No, smartphones would be a dead market if every phone got free updates for as long as the customers felt entitled, and no one ever had to buy another phone. Thereby stagnating growth. The more phones they sell, the faster this technology will develop. The great thing is its users can pick up where the manufacturers leave off.
Did you buy a service contact with this device? No, that is what is standard with companies that offer continual support. This product has a life of approx two years. It's a disposable product, and not meant to be used longterm.
I think one reason for there is such a disconnect is because younger and younger people are using technology. While they can use the device better than their elders, they are not wise in the ways of how things work in the real world. Life isn't fair, and nothing is free. This is the first product in modern history that I can think of that gets free updates and upgrades. You're going to be extremely disappointed if you think this is how business works.
Even HTC has issues their users aren't happy with, and HTC is owned by Google who created Android, so current OS is to be expected. Like fruit and iPhone. SE isn't selling their own OS.
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No, smartphones would be a dead market if every phone got free updates for as long as the customers felt entitled, and no one ever had to buy another phone. Thereby stagnating growth. The more phones they sell, the faster this technology will develop. The great thing is its users can pick up where the manufacturers leave off.
Did you buy a service contact with this device? No, that is what is standard with companies that offer continual support. This product has a life of approx two years. It's a disposable product, and not meant to be used longterm.
I think one reason for there is such a disconnect is because younger and younger people are using technology. While they can use the device better than their elders, they are not wise in the ways of how things work in the real world. Life isn't fair, and nothing is free. This is the first product in modern history that I can think of that gets free updates and upgrades. You're going to be extremely disappointed if you think this is how business works. Even HTC has issues their users aren't happy with, and HTC isn't going to fix. Google who created Android also owns HTC, so more is to be expected. Like fruit and iPhone.
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omg your incredibly ignorant and your clearly not reading what im saying. Im not expecting free updates forever. Im just expecting them to upgrade it to 2.2. Also did HTC abondon the HTC desire at 2.1? no they upgraded it to 2.2. I completely agree that its not economical to provide updates for free all the time.
You've got to move with the times too. We will demand updates, android is the platform which will push manufactures to develop phones with the current version of android.
I would gladly pay for an upgrade if it came to that, so its not an issue of money. Its about brand reliability, a lot of phone manufacturers rely on this. I have heard from so many family members who have owned sony erricson feature phones that have been put off by there software so its also the issue of the quality of there products.
You seem to thinks its fine just to stand by and let a company give you a faulty product. I mean if you got a burger which was completely undercooked and was not the way you expect it to be then you would complain. Its the same principle here.
You have a very jaded outlook on life it seems, i mean if you listen to the latest podcast of windows weekly, even paul thurrot has the same problems with windows phone 7 where micrsoft arent releasing updates fast enough to keep up with the competition. (and btw im pretty sure he's just over 40 so its not a generational gap).
In an ever critical industry that is technology, companies need to keep good brand reliability to keep on top of things.
Froyo provided the following benefits over Eclair:
- JIT compiler
- V8 javascript engine
- OpenGL ES 2.0
- App2SD
- USB tethering
- Wifi hotspot
- Bluetooth voice dialing
- MS Exchange support
- access to Adobe Flash 10.1
- access to Adobe Air
Seeing as how the first three provide significant speed boosts (we're seeing greater than 100% performance gains on 2.2 vs. 2.1 with JIT enabled), they alone are worth it. App2SD is pretty important as well, as SE saddled us with pretty measly app storage (especially when their custom apps are taken into account).
Now from what I can see, Gingerbread is less of an upgrade from Froyo (at least for the X10). But then SE hasn't given us Froyo.
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omg your incredibly ignorant and your clearly not reading what im saying. Im not expecting free updates forever. Im just expecting them to upgrade it to 2.2. Also did HTC abondon the HTC desire at 2.1? no they upgraded it to 2.2. I completely agree that its not economical to provide updates for free all the time.
You've got to move with the times too. We will demand updates, android is the platform which will push manufactures to develop phones with the current version of android.
I would gladly pay for an upgrade if it came to that, so its not an issue of money. Its about brand reliability, a lot of phone manufacturers rely on this. I have heard from so many family members who have owned sony erricson feature phones that have been put off by there software so its also the issue of the quality of there products.
You seem to thinks its fine just to stand by and let a company give you a faulty product. I mean if you got a burger which was completely undercooked and was not the way you expect it to be then you would complain. Its the same principle here.
You have a very jaded outlook on life it seems, i mean if you listen to the latest podcast of windows weekly, even paul thurrot has the same problems with windows phone 7 where micrsoft arent releasing updates fast enough to keep up with the competition. (and btw im pretty sure he's just over 40 so its not a generational gap).
In an ever critical industry that is technology, companies need to keep good brand reliability to keep on top of things.
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Me ignorant? Your the one who bought the device with the oldest OS, and are expecting it to suddenly be running the latest. You assumed to the point of feeling entitled to additional OS updates beyond what the specs for the device clearly stated, 2.1. You know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of u and me.
Yes it would be nice for additional updates, and maybe even expected if additional development didn't have to be done to make it work on the x10, but you are overestimating the number of people who feel jaded. We, in the forums, are a small percent, and the number who feel ripped off like you is only a portion of that.
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Every product has unsatisfied customers. If not we'd all be buying the same device. The Xperia was never marketed as having the latest Android OS. It had great hardware like 8 mega pixel camera and 1 GHz processor. If you wanted the latest OS, you should have bought HTC, the device of the Android developer Google.
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Me ignorant? Your the one who bought the device with the oldest OS, and are expecting it to suddenly be running the latest. You assumed to the point of feeling entitled to additional OS updates beyond what the specs for the device clearly stated, 2.1. You know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of u and me.
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Yup, SE has made an ass out of you and me.
I bought SE because I had SE phones in the past, I liked the style and functions and I especially liked the supplied software for the PC. I've unbranded them too.
In the case of the X10, I went back to look at my review in September on Amazon just a few moments ago. I expected a AT&T 2.1 by the end of the year, and I thought that once the X12 was released, SE would give us a 2.2 also, since the phone was still in warranty/service. No one new about 2.3/2.4 at that time. I thought that because the phone only had 384mb RAM it wouldn't be able to handled 'Gingerbread' without 512mb which was the rumor at that time for it's specs.
Additionally in that review, I said that the phone was compromised by not having noise cancellation, and that SE was very slow at updating it, but for good reason.
What PO's me is the unexpected shortened term to EOL. EIGHT MONTHS ON ATT? This is almost unheard of. SE's PC companion software for this phone is not as robust as the prior versions and the USB driver for flashing doesn't work on XP SP3 and they won't fix it. They tell you to upgrade to W7.
Due to shortcomings in the Android OS which I did not investigate as much as I should have, simple things like bluetooth devices that I have from SE don't WORK FULLY with either 1.6 and 2.1, I need 2.3 to get the full function back for devices that are YEARS old and worked fine with $50 phones.
Most of my current annoyance at the situation right now is due to the abandonment of the phone by both AT&T and SE. Yeah, they are updating stuff, and AT&T is certainly trying to wait it all out so they only have to approve/screw up a singe firmware update.
I really really want to hear from AT&T and SE that they will upgrade the phone to the Arc for the subsidized or further reduced price without contract extension or penalty fees, but I don't think AT&T is going to carry it or SE very quickly (again).
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Yup, SE has made an ass out of you and me.
I bought SE because I had SE phones in the past, I liked the style and functions and I especially liked the supplied software for the PC. I've unbranded them too.
In the case of the X10, I went back to look at my review in September on Amazon just a few moments ago. I expected a AT&T 2.1 by the end of the year, and I thought that once the X12 was released, SE would give us a 2.2 also, since the phone was still in warranty/service. No one new about 2.3/2.4 at that time. I thought that because the phone only had 384mb RAM it wouldn't be able to handled 'Gingerbread' without 512mb which was the rumor at that time for it's specs.
Additionally in that review, I said that the phone was compromised by not having noise cancellation, and that SE was very slow at updating it, but for good reason.
What PO's me is the unexpected shortened term to EOL. EIGHT MONTHS ON ATT? This is almost unheard of. SE's PC companion software for this phone is not as robust as the prior versions and the USB driver for flashing doesn't work on XP SP3 and they won't fix it. They tell you to upgrade to W7.
Due to shortcomings in the Android OS which I did not investigate as much as I should have, simple things like bluetooth devices that I have from SE don't WORK FULLY with either 1.6 and 2.1, I need 2.3 to get the full function back for devices that are YEARS old and worked fine with $50 phones.
Most of my current annoyance at the situation right now is due to the abandonment of the phone by both AT&T and SE. Yeah, they are updating stuff, and AT&T is certainly trying to wait it all out so they only have to approve/screw up a singe firmware update.
I really really want to hear from AT&T and SE that they will upgrade the phone to the Arc for the subsidized or further reduced price without contract extension or penalty fees, but I don't think AT&T is going to carry it or SE very quickly (again).
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You know, even if AT&T gave us the update I bet most people, including myself, would stay generic because of AT&T's attempt to block us from non-market & some market apps. Even if SE gave us 2.2+, we would still be hacking it and installing our own custom ROMs and themes. The xda Xperia developers are the ones who have it rough.
I believe AT&T will do something for us. I am in a unique situation. I bought my X10a on November 10, during the update fiasco and I was told my X10a was coming already updated to 2.1. It obviously didn't. During the many phone calls since, they have always told me that I don't need to return the phone because something was around the corner. I'm sure everyone who has bought the X10a since has been told something similar.
Ps. I got the USB drivers to work on the flasher on my XP SP3. I remember having to find them and install myself, but I don't have any trouble.
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sadly, only for NEW xperia phones.
For earlier products such as the Xperia™ X10, we cannot allow the boot loader to be unlocked due to technical and legal reasons.
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From the official Blog.
I truly believe most smartphone makers have missed the boat. They have chosen not to harness the power of community.
Nokia tried with the maemo community and the n900 phone. They just screwed it up so bad they managed to alienate their passionate developers and users.
Seriously: shouldn't ericsson be handing out prizes to the best devolopers? Hire them? Buy their ROM and use as a basis of their own updates? It would be faster and they would get community support.
I would be sponsoring the forum and be offering technical support as needed if I was running SE.
It is a bit crazy. most companies would kill for the passion people show here.
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For earlier products such as the Xperia™ X10, we cannot allow the boot loader to be unlocked due to technical and legal reasons.
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From the official Blog.
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i think they forgot how they locked it
Hi guys i posted a thread on the sonyericsson facebook page jere is the content:
Why have you stopped updating a phone that has not even been out for 12 months, instead of updating our phones or unlocking the bootloader but doing it for your new models stinks its only because you got enough complaints from x10 users that you finally caved in to public demand and decided to implement 2.3 and multitouch
The x10 mini pro has a multitouch capable screen more so than the x8 or x10 , it is also a newer phone than the x10 but you say you have no plans to add these to the mini pro there are many reasons to update the phone apps2sd,jit,security and bug fixes that the users of this phone are asking for.
How can you continue to tell your paying customers what they want instead of listening to them and implementing the changes that are viable and in the case of apps2sd are pretty much required when you use more than a few apps the phones memory is not sufficient.
The lack of transparency in your updates and how your taking on board our feedback needs to be more than'' ill pass that on to the developers'' as a person who has worked in the mobile industry in the uk for 5 years and been a user of sony ericsson phones from the t68 and before the merge zg5 i i have become very disillussioned with your phones and company so much to the point that i will not buy or recommend another sony ericsson phone with this type poor customer service.
One of the main things i learnt in the customer service side of my job was to take ownership of a customers problems and not pass the buck which is what you seem to be doing everytime someone has requested that you make an update available had i not have had these issues i would have bought the xperia play(i know the bootlader for this phone is unlocked but will void the warranty) but with your poor form recently i dont think ill be buying another one of your companys phones due to:
poor amount of updates for the software
poor response and lack of response to customer feedback
poor battery life
lack of internal storage due to lack off apps to sd
lack of jit
that awful sony ericsson blue theme that cant be changed
the charging issue that means i cant turn the phone on but the led flashed red for some amount of time
Will you at least update this phone to 2.3 and not fob your customers off with buck passing responses as it think it is the minimum required from your company for a phone that is less than 12 months old
Here is the address, http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=35313373389&topic=24567
i dont really expect anything to come from this but i figure the more people that complain or add comments to this would be appreciated to highlight our frustrations
this is more to do with the fact that we are relying on the awesome owain to do this and seen the despair when he got rid of his mini pro it was almost as if the whole reason ive kept my mini pro til now had gone, now he has another im releived
but this doesnt change the fact that we the x10 mini pro users are relying on a 16 year old guy from holland to make our phones work the way they should have done from day one and continue to be updated for at least 12 months from the date of release the main fact is the phone is <12 months old and not being supported
Owain94, I think you're right))
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Thanks guys for posting on se but can we keep it mostly constructive don't want to scare sony off before we get a reply.
I know they suck donkey balls buck we might get less chance of a reply after this we should start a topic there to get owain a job from them he's more brains than their whole team
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owain94 said:
i think they forgot how they locked it
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S1 doesn't suport fastboot...
We are starting a movement toward HTC to get them to release their source code on a more timely basis such as samsung. We need as many people as we can get to do this with us because they won't listen if only users of 1 devices complains. i know others devices have been held up by htc so we are reaching out to (or at least trying to) all of the htc device forums we can in order to spread the word and get everyone involved. please take a look at the link below as it has all of the info regarding this.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
PETITON: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-to-speed-up-kernel-source-releases?share_id=sLjvObpqne
Edit: the thread and the petition have been reworked in a way that will reflect a more professional stance on the issue. please read it and voice your opinions about it so i can make it better if needed.
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get mad over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
I am not signing a petition that uses terms like "B.S." in the letter. If you want HTC to respond, the letter should be done a bit more professionally and not read like it was written by a pre-teen.
Great idea, though. I am sure there is an appropriate letter to be found somewhere on the interwebs.
BTW, I can't believe that, with all the Verizon delays in releasing ICS, HTC does not already have the source ready for release. The OTA was almost exactly the same as the leak we got a month earlier.
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even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get made over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
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Huh? Lol
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Huh? Lol
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Exact thoughts I had
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WookieFan said:
I am not signing a petition that uses terms like "B.S." in the letter. If you want HTC to respond, the letter should be done a bit more professionally and not read like it was written by a pre-teen.
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I agree, that's a bit embarrassing. I'm beginning to think this device is mostly owned by people who are teens to early 20's. Between the way petition letter was written and the high school drama on this board over the past several months, I think I may be in the minority owning this phone in my late 30's.
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even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get made over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
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Let me see if I could translate:
Dear kind sirs,
Even through HTC isn't following the GLP, we shouldn't get our jimmies rustled. If they continue to not give us what we demand, we should boycott the company.
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Let me see if I could translate:
Dear kind sirs,
Even through HTC isn't following the GLP, we shouldn't get our jimmies rustled. If they continue to not give us what we demand, we should boycott the company.
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Nice!
HTC will eventually release the source. I don't think a petition will do anything at all to expedite that. It's not a priority and the very small percentage of Rezound users that want the source is not going to make it so. If you're really up in arms about it and want to do something that has a chance of working, not a guarantee, but a chance, report a GPL violation.
Some things to keep in mind is that GNU can't do anything about it in this case, so don't waste time reporting it to them. They publish the license, but they are not the copyright holder of the kernel source. Only the copyright holders can do anything about license violations. In this case, there are several thousand copyright holders...everyone who has ever had any code merged into the mainline of the Linux kernel is a copyright holder. Their interests are protected by the Linux Foundation at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/. That is where to start if you want to report a violation.
It's fine to have this energy about this, but don't make the mistake of misdirecting in a bad direction.
Sorry, but I can't sign this.
While I fully support HTC complying with the GPL. I support the usage of basic grammar in formal writing even more.
Was the petition machine translated? That would explain a lot.
foggytown said:
Sorry, but I can't sign this.
While I fully support HTC complying with the GPL. I support the usage of basic grammar in formal writing even more.
Was the petition machine translated? That would explain a lot.
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This.
If you're going to make a petition for something like this, then you need to do it professionally / with well-written grammar, etc. Right now, like previously mentioned, it just sounds like a bunch of teenagers that aren't getting their way. Re-write the petition to make it sound more formal / professional, and you'll get more support.
Not to mention all the other problems with this, I don't really think this is [URGENT]...
Is someone going to kill your dog if they don't release the source or something?
PhxkinMassacre said:
We are starting a movement toward HTC to get them to release their source code on a more timely basis such as samsung. We need as many people as we can get to do this with us because they won't listen if only users of 1 devices complains. i know others devices have been held up by htc so we are reaching out to (or at least trying to) all of the htc device forums we can in order to spread the word and get everyone involved. please take a look at the link below as it has all of the info regarding this.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
PETITON: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-to-speed-up-kernel-source-releases?share_id=sLjvObpqne
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-_- really?????? come on now. have you read the GPL????
GPL has no specific date or time:
"While this version of the GPL does not place an explicit timeframe upon fulfilment of source distribution under section 3(b), it is the consensus viewpoint of the Linux community that such distribution take place as soon as is practical and certainly no more than 14 days after a request is made."
^ they have a choice to follow what other linux devs do which is 14 days. its only been 6 official days sense launch of ICS on the rez.
Please put down the pitch forks and RELAX already. once the 14 days are up, and you want join Spartacus in his quest to get source, then by all means do so.
Wah. I want my ice cream sandwich! Stomping feet on the way back to my room. Slams door.
I don't get why anyone is taking this thread seriously. If i were HTC and I received some letter from a group of people demanding I release MY WORK earlier than I planned, IF AT ALL, I'd tell them to go buy a a phone from some other manufacturer. Id then sit back and watch my sales drop 1% and continue to enjoy the millions of dollars that continue to come in because we all know HTC makes great phones and a VERY small percentage of consumers would stop buying them even if HTC said they would NEVER release anything.
You guys act like this is some kind of public utility that small children are relying on to survive. HTC owes us nothing outside of what the warranties on their equipment provides for. Grow up already. If you aren't happy, buy another freakin' phone. Jesus.
To Whom it May Concern:
Many owners of one of your devices, the HTC Rezound, appreciate your recent release of the Android 4.0 "Iced Cream Sandwich" operating system. Our collective enthusiasm continues to drive the notions of both innovation and creativity; to that end, we would like to ask that you please consider expediting the schedule you have for releasing the kernel source code for this operating system. While it is true that several previous devices developed by your company (and others) have taken a series of months before release, our community overall asks that you consider accelerating your kernel release schedule so that we may further engage in our community development efforts.
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That is how educated, articulate adults speak and write. I would suggest replacing the existing petition text with something similar to what I wrote above; that way you won't sound like a 15-year old self-entitled douche-canoe, and will have the added bonus of most likely getting more than 142 signatories.
partizan1981 said:
To Whom it May Concern:
Many owners of one of your devices, the HTC Rezound, appreciate your recent release of the Android 4.0 "Iced Cream Sandwich" operating system. Our collective enthusiasm continues to drive the notions of both innovation and creativity; to that end, we would like to ask that you please consider expediting the schedule you have for releasing the kernel source code for this operating system. While it is true that several previous devices developed by your company (and others) have taken a series of months before release, our community overall asks that you consider accelerating your kernel release schedule so that we may further engage in our community development efforts.
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That is how educated, articulate adults speak and write. I would suggest replacing the existing petition text with something similar to what I wrote above; that way you won't sound like a 15-year old self-entitled douche-canoe, and will have the added bonus of most likely getting more than 142 signatories.
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Nicely done. Sales 101. Not to sound hypocritical but I'm going to steal the term douche-canoe from you for my personal use
Sorry my English is a little bad lol.
wmaudio said:
I don't get why anyone is taking this thread seriously. If i were HTC and I received some letter from a group of people demanding I release MY WORK earlier than I planned, IF AT ALL, I'd tell them to go buy a a phone from some other manufacturer. Id then sit back and watch my sales drop 1% and continue to enjoy the millions of dollars that continue to come in because we all know HTC makes great phones and a VERY small percentage of consumers would stop buying them even if HTC said they would NEVER release anything.
You guys act like this is some kind of public utility that small children are relying on to survive. HTC owes us nothing outside of what the warranties on their equipment provides for. Grow up already. If you aren't happy, buy another freakin' phone. Jesus.
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You're joking right? You're talking as if HTC is the number one manufacturer when even RIM outsold HTC so far in 2012. That's bad. HTC was doing bad so they had to shake things up, did the One series with Sense 4 then just said "Meh..." to their other devices.
See, that's the thing. You say they owe us nothing when, by the GPL, they do. They're supposed to release the kernel source and haven't. Why? Give me one good reason why they haven't released their source code. They have nothing to gain from this situation other than customers getting pissed off which can be a PR nightmare. Trust me. There are over 25,000 users of ViperROM. HTC's better off to just give us what is rightfully ours before it turns into a giant headache for them.
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See, that's the thing. You say they owe us nothing when, by the GPL, they do. They're supposed to release the kernel source and haven't. Why? Give me one good reason why they haven't released their source code. They have nothing to gain from this situation other than customers getting pissed off which can be a PR nightmare. Trust me. There are over 25,000 users of ViperROM. HTC's better off to just give us what is rightfully ours before it turns into a giant headache for them.
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Wow. Such an entitlement mentality. That is the problem with a lot of people. You owe me.... I deserve it. No!
I noticed the other Jelly Bean discussion is closed so I am opening this for all those who want to get it out of their systems and spam by blaming Sony. They have every right in the world to complain! They paid money to a huge company. They were promised something by a huge colossus and got nothing yet. Sony is not a developer that is doing it for free. So, YES you HAVE the right to complain for missed ETAs, you HAVE the right to complain about bugs, you HAVE to complain about everything. Just get it out of your systems, I agree with you.
You should know that nothing will change if you do so, but I understand you want to complain. So do it in this thread!
PS: (Because I read something about it) Oh, and when it comes to colossal companies like Sony with such a large work force, there is no such thing as early release! You declare a date and you release! If you need more programmers hire them, you will help economy! IF the release is buggy you declare a second date for a bug fix version! And you repeat until there is no bug. For God's shake, there are FREE projects like Gnome and KDE for Linux and when they declare a release DAY they have the release READY. They are not perfect but they get updates every month until they are. And they get almost no money at all for this (they might get some from ads or contributions)!
So, yes, COMPLAIN!
You have the right to complain, but you also need to follow the forum rules. You can also do that by emailing Sony.
Also, most people that complain seem to think that JB would transform their phone to superphone which is not the case.
Bugs not fixed on ICS with an update by Sony is an a lot better reason to complain rather than the delay of JB.
Sony is a company which produces phones. They are not UNICEF and everything is calculated to bring profit. Let's be clear, I'm not their fanboy as I was disappointed as well when they dropped the support for X8 and left it with Eclair (Gingerbread was almost released when they rolled an update from Donut). Did I rant? No. Why? Because it has no point. Guess how many users are registered here on XDA developers or some other site, hell, guess how many users even know what root is? 1%? 2 maybe? They won't change their politics because few thousands of people say that they suck, makes false promises etc. etc.
It's business and it's all about the money. The only people you can blame are our ancestors because they invented the money. Life is a b****, no need to discuss it further.
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