[Q] Think my pad died.. - Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime

Just wanted to bounce this off you all and see what ideas I got back..
Device:
TF201 Rooted with NVFLASH installed, upgraded to jellybean from craiggomez's post here. Also have TWRP installed.
This install has been running for several weeks.
Scenario:
I'm just returning from a trip.. I unpack the prime and turn it on and it powers on just fine. Plug it in and let start charging and walk away. four or five hours later I hop in bed (yes, I fanatically watch TV from Plex while laying in bed) and look over and see the green light on the prime is on. I pick it up and unplug it and hit the power button to turn the screen on but get no response. I'm thinking sleep of death at this point.. Hold the power button in for 10 seconds expecting to get a vibrate and a reboot... Nothing.
I've plugged it up to a PC just to verify it wasn't on and it definitely isn't.
I know that the moment I unlocked the bootloader I voided the warranty with Asus.
Are there other steps that I can try at this point to verify that it's truly dead other than what I've done?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
(Moral motivation to upgrade to the Tf700.. Hmmm I'm thinking so. )

I'm thinking SOD, also. Hold the power button down longer and see what happens. I seem to remember mine taking a while longer than 10 seconds (more like 20).

You could also try that little reset button in the little round hole about 1" below the microSD card slot. Just unfold one end of a small paper clip, and you can reset your Prime by sticking it in the hole.

tedr108 said:
I'm thinking SOD, also. Hold the power button down longer and see what happens. I seem to remember mine taking a while longer than 10 seconds (more like 20).
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I'm starting to think not.. I tried the reset button, held power for a minute, and tried power + the volume rockers.. Still dead..
tedr108 said:
You could also try that little reset button in the little round hole about 1" below the microSD card slot. Just unfold one end of a small paper clip, and you can reset your Prime by sticking it in the hole.
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I used a straightened staple and achieved the same result.. I actually felt the reset button push in and release when I backed off with the paper clip.. Still no change. Do I have to press this button in tandem with another or is it a solo button?

Have you tried booting to recovery?
Also..could it be that your charger cable is defective, and that you arent getting a charge (meaning your battery is sill dead)?
Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

Dai323 said:
Have you tried booting to recovery?
Also..could it be that your charger cable is defective, and that you arent getting a charge (meaning your battery is sill dead)?
Sent from my Galaxy Note 2
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UPDATE:
Went out and bought a TF700. The charging cable on it is the same. Tried that.. Still no activity. I'm starting to think it is genuinely dead.
I appreciate all of your replies.

mostyle said:
UPDATE:
Went out and bought a TF700. The charging cable on it is the same. Tried that.. Still no activity. I'm starting to think it is genuinely dead.
I appreciate all of your replies.
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Did you have this charging on the dock? I once had a similar scenario where it wouldn't turn on and then I plugged the power cable directly into the prime bypassing the dock and it came on with full charge.

Congrats on your new toy. How does it run in comparison?
Did your rear camera work. If your done with your tf201, I'd like your camera if your not gonna do anything with it.

flumpster said:
Did you have this charging on the dock? I once had a similar scenario where it wouldn't turn on and then I plugged the power cable directly into the prime bypassing the dock and it came on with full charge.
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Nope, I don't own the dock.
I did find something strange though on the power plug though.. See the attached thumb..
I wonder if something shorted when this broke?
I looked at the tf700 and it isn't like this..
f'n around said:
Congrats on your new toy. How does it run in comparison?
Did your rear camera work. If your done with your tf201, I'd like your camera if your not gonna do anything with it.
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I'm thinking of trying to get it repaired.. If not i'll toss it on ebay and let you know.

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[Q] Prime wont turn on... maybe DOA?

Hi guys,
I have just received my transformer prime, I opened the box and tried to boot It but with no luck, it only vibrates.
I though initially that was a low battery issue, but now I have charged it fully (green light), and I'm still unable to boot it...
I have tried to boot it holding the power button for more than 30 seconds, and tried several times the normal way but with no luck.
Any advice?... is this a DOA?
Sigh.....this again. Just let it charge, it's fine.
RussianMenace said:
Sigh.....this again. Just let it charge, it's fine.
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How much time?... I mean, the LED changed from orange to green... That means its fully charged right?
right now is reaching out almost 3 hours plugged into the wall...
BTW, the screen does not shows anything... some people mentioned a red battery icon, or something like that, but my screen is dead....
Could be your charger derping, there's more people with this issue.
Put it in a plastic bag and huck it in the freezer for a bit,
the thermal protection could be stuck.
David blaine street magic. Better yet, steve jobs apple magic
LOL. hold down the power button for more than 5 seconds and voila! You guys are too funny.
I have tried every possible convination of seconds while holding the power button... 5, 10, 20, 30, 1 min... POWER + VOLUME DOWN, but is just vibrating... does not shows _anything_ on the screen...
Not sure if the reset hole+papperclip is going to help, but I have been trying to find how it works but with no luck, I guess is a combination of button + pushing the reset, but not sure how...
Your screen could be defective. Or the ribbon might not be connected to the board.
Sent from my Sensation using xda premium
I have the same issue, just surprised that I can not use the product while it is plugged.
When i try to turn it on while it's plugged, it flashed and vibrated once showing battery bar and then died....now it just won't turn on!! AHHHHHHh!
Does this happen to other people. I heard you suppose to charge it for 6 hr before first use...but why can i not turn it on while plugged. Now All i see is the a red or orange LED light on the power button. Does it mean it is short circuited?
Can Someone confirm that this is normal.
I didn't bother charging straight away, with modern batteries there really isn't any need as far as I'm concerned. Of course people will tell you different but that's my opinion.
I had no issue with first boot, literally touched the power button for a second and on it came. Sounds like yours is no good.
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Turned on!! Thank god!!!
Haranzo said:
Turned on!! Thank god!!!
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huzzah, I'm happy for you.
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Sounds busted to me OP. When I got mine I was going to let it charge fully before turning it on but as soon as I plugged it in it started booting. So I ran through setup while charging and just let it sit after that until fully charged...
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Sokonomi said:
Could be your charger derping, there's more people with this issue.
Put it in a plastic bag and huck it in the freezer for a bit,
the thermal protection could be stuck.
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Hi,
I researched a little bit more about the charger issues and to discard that, I left it charging today with another charger (I have two other Transformer 1). But I'm not holding my breath on that, the LED status is green, so I dont think is going to take more charging that what it currently have.
Thank you.
mutiny said:
Your screen could be defective. Or the ribbon might not be connected to the board.
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Hi,
Any way to check this withouth voiding the warranty?...
coolbomb said:
How much time?... I mean, the LED changed from orange to green... That means its fully charged right?
right now is reaching out almost 3 hours plugged into the wall...
BTW, the screen does not shows anything... some people mentioned a red battery icon, or something like that, but my screen is dead....
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Hey man, that sounds a lot like what happened to mine. I was able to turn it on and set it up but then I fully charged it and rebooted..it never came back. The LED was green, I tried all the button combos etc...wouldn't even be recognized by my PC.
I've RMA'd it, you may need to do the same thing, sorry man...
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Hey man, that sounds a lot like what happened to mine. I was able to turn it on and set it up but then I fully charged it and rebooted..it never came back. The LED was green, I tried all the button combos etc...wouldn't even be recognized by my PC.
I've RMA'd it, you may need to do the same thing, sorry man...
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Hey, thank for the reply...
I'm going to try to plug it to the PC and see if I can get something from it.
I was also thinking about trying to drain the battery (as some other have done when the update came), but I dont see any decent way to do it...
The screen does not shows anything (so no battery drain in there), I dont see any other decent way to drain the battery but to burn my finger pressing the power button causing the the thing to vibrate and somehow drain the battery little by little... But I dont know how much is going to take to achieve it ... I'll probably lose my finger first.
Make sure you try holding the power button down for a long time. I had a similar reoccurring issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427461
Try holding it down, there will be a buzz but don't stop holding it down until you see the boot logo. It can take holding it down a while. I kept thinking it was broken, but was just letting up too soon after the buzz.
UmbraeSoulsbane said:
Make sure you try holding the power button down for a long time. I had a similar reoccurring issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427461
Try holding it down, there will be a buzz but don't stop holding it down until you see the boot logo. It can take holding it down a while. I kept thinking it was broken, but was just letting up too soon after the buzz.
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I holded the power button, for about 2 min, and still I got nothing, I think this is going to end up as a return/refund
I'm so sad
Doesn't sound promising
coolbomb said:
I holded the power button, for about 2 min, and still I got nothing, I think this is going to end up as a return/refund
I'm so sad
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Sorry man, after the huge wait we all had and the expectation, I have seen too many of these for comfort. I am no Apple lover, but somehow I can't imagine this kind of thing happening with iPads. Sure the occasional one in a thousand, but this is at least the 5th or 6th DOA I have read about. Seems that QC takes a back seat when demand is high: What? Those won't turn on? Throw them in a box, we need to get as many as we can out to Best Buy, they oversold the pre-orders. Let the poor guy RMA it!"
I was seriously afraid mine would be one of these, especially after they shipped it ground instead of the overnight I paid for. I guess I was a LITTLE more lucky, but no cigar either. I got one with no GPS functionality at all. Cannot even SEE, nevermind lock on any satellites both pre and post 8.3.33 update. Sigh. A "Premium Tablet" with horrible build and QC"
I hope you get a working replacement quickly. The guy who had an amber LED I knew would boot. Yours sounds like its running with no display like a few others I have seen. On guy had it drop 2 feet from on top of a pile of towels to a carpeted floor and his went into the same state. I think perhaps the video ribbon cable is easy to dislodge. Who knows... Get a new one, and give them hell to get it to you fast.
No Power
Just got my prime in the mail yesterday from best buy and I had the same problem. Wouldn't turn on right away so I charged it the full 8 hours and it still won't turn on at all...regardless of how long I hold down the power button. It only ever vibrates.
Called Asus tech support and he had me hold the power button for 8 seconds, let off power button, then hold down again until it turned on...but it never did. They want me to send the tablet in for repairs. That could take weeks. Best Buy won't do anything as they are backordered.
Many others have had this problem on androidforums.com. Asus really needs to address this

[Q] Screen off, nothing happend

Hi there,
Yesterday, i become the transformer prime and it worked well. But now, i can't unlock the Tablet. The screen still is off and it is warm.
when i plug in the keyboard, it plays the sound. If i hold the power button, it vibrates. if i plug in the charging cabel, the orange led ligths.
After 1 Hour the tablet was very hot. i put it out door, where it was -5 degree. After 10 minutes i take it back. Now it does nothing of these things and i sill can't turn it on
Can someone help me? (and sorry for the very bad english )
Sounds like Xtreme sleep of death to me... BTW, that's cold.
Sent from my tablet thing with XDA Premium.
Unfortunately it sounds like the same issue I came across. If you havent tried it yet and have the adapter plug your transformer to a monitor/tv via hdmi.
If you see your screen on the tv then it probably means a cable in your transformer disconnected.
If thats the case you will probably want to RMA it or try to fix it yourself by opening up the unit but could end up voiding your warrenty if you follow the later.
I believed it's because of version .13 updates
mnlmnv said:
I believed it's because of version .13 updates
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+1
if you were to press and hold onto the power button (for about 8-10 secs) and you felt the vibration, technically it SHOULD reboot. well thats what happen to me anyways...
btw good look on it !

HELP! Just hard bricked my son's g tab.

My son has my old g tab and it was running slow so I decided to put another rom on it. To transfer the rom files, I first I plugged it in to my Win7 computer and the drives came up, but then decided I wanted to do it on my ubuntu computer instead, so I plugged it in to the usb port and the drives did not pop up. So I figured a driver issue so I just decided to do it on my Win7 computer, now it didn't work there. Now the screen wont come on, it worked this morning, but now I cannot even get it to power on at all, nothing on the screen. The battery was full, but I have tried with it plugged in to wall outlet too. I tried pressing the power button slowly a few times and holding it down to force it to power off. I also tried powering on holding the volume up and the volume down, still nothing. What could have gone wrong? Please help, my son is going on vacation next week and I really don't want to tell him I broke his tablet just days before. Thanks.
do a bit of reading, but basically:
hold volume down and the power button together for at least 5 seconds to get it into APX mode. plug it in and you should hear it connect.
does the charge light come on when you plug it in? if not, it's dead.
I'm assuming it's charged and just not booting. Look for nvFlash files for it, first stock TnT ROMs or maybe an ICS rom, but those are all really slow, except maybe for the one not on XDA, AOKP for the gTab.
and don't use words like hard brick if you still want to work on fixing it. a hard brick is a paper weight. hyperbole isn't becoming on anyone.
I have tried that with the usb plugged in to windows and there is no usb connect sound. The red light does come on when its plugged in to outlet. Is there anyway for me to reset it to factory just using some special button combo?
I've seen on other forums, don't know if this one or for other devices, that maybe it will work when the battery fully drains? So if it is off right now and if the battery was full when this happened, how long until the battery would fully drain? Like days or weeks?
I fixed it! I opened it up and unplugged the battery and plugged it back in and now its working
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I fixed it! I opened it up and unplugged the battery and plugged it back in and now its working
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I would recommend drilling a DRH while you had it open, hopefully you did?
Where exactly is a DRH supposed to be drilled? And how big of a hole?
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Dave51495 said:
Where exactly is a DRH supposed to be drilled? And how big of a hole?
Sent from my VS910 4G using xda premium
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With that I direct your attention to this tread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585012 - Comes with pictures and location of the internal reset button. There are different ways that you can create your hole, I think the best one is using wax paper cover the back and mark location on the sheet with a Sharpe marker. Then apply your template to the back cover and scratch the marking in.

Unbrick phone part: Rapidly Flashing Red Light.

Hello all.
This guide will help you if you have:
A phone that will not turn on unless you plug it in and even then only an LG sign shows up followed by either blank/ rapidly flashing red light.
to my knowledge, what happened to put the phone in this state is the battery died while you were flashing a rom or something as such and the phone got confused on if it should be in charge mode or not.
being that the phone has a sealed battery, it is not as easy to pull out the battery as it is on other phones.
Fortunately for us, it is not difficult at all to unplug the battery!
REQ: torx screw driver that will fit but NOT STRIP the screws at the bottom of the phone.
Small phillips screw driver.
**I suggest charging the phone for a good 10 minutes before starting this. just to make sure it has a charge.
Step 1: unscrew the two screws at the bottom of the phone CAREFULLY!
Step 2: with your nails carefully pry up the back cover (inspect the phone carefully and identify the back cover from the rest of the phone.) off starting from the bottom of the phone.
Step 3: peel back the blue tape on the connector and remove the two screws.
Step 4: carefully pry up the connector from the top.
Step 5: plug back in and try powering on. By this point you should know if it worked and you can start putting the phone back together.
This guide is not the best (My first) but if you have any questions send me a message.
Good luck with your phones!
One of the first official LGOG teardown! Looks easier than expected..
@exemplarmusik sent from his LG - E970 ya dig?!
Awesome job, man. should come in handy for me at some point I am sure. I am curious though, those internals look identical to the Nexus 4's (as I guess we should expect) and I know the battery is glued down with the Nexus 4, so is that the case with our LGOG as well?
Yeah. The battery is glued in. I dont see an issue replacing it though. maybe a heat gun to losen up the glue and you should be good.
And yeah, it is very easy to open up.
This would have helped me last week. Oh well, got a replacement device and a free LG headset for my trouble.
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Fission_Chipz said:
Awesome job, man. should come in handy for me at some point I am sure. I am curious though, those internals look identical to the Nexus 4's (as I guess we should expect) and I know the battery is glued down with the Nexus 4, so is that the case with our LGOG as well?
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Yeah the name in system info is even mako just like n4
the best phone ever
drwario said:
Yeah the name in system info is even mako just like n4
the best phone ever
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I think it would only say that if unlocked, then you have N4 bootloaders.
I had this fast flashing "brick"-like issue, but after I let my phone cool, I just held power and vol-up and my phone went straight to the boot loader.
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Damn, I didn't think it'd be that easy to take it apart. I wonder if it'd be possible to stick a Qi wireless charger pad in there, like the Nexus 4.
First of all, thanks for the guide. :good:
Here is what caused this to happen on my phone:
(black screen, flashing red light)
With phone off and charger plugged in you should be able to press power for a couple of seconds and it will show the charging progress. When you unplug the charger and press power you should see nothing unless you hold it long enough to power up the phone. Problem was that no matter how long you waited after unplugging the charger you could press power and see the progress ::what::
That causes the battery to drain, completely if left alone for a couple of days resulting in, you guessed it, black screen and flashing red light. After leaving it plugged in for 4-5 hours it regained a full charge and was fine.
This did not occur when phone was on while charging. Needless to say, I exchanged the phone. Hope this helps.
Don't assume you have any other pictures
I was considering trying to steal the signal amplifier and the filter from this and put in n4 ... and chance you got any shots of those in the optimus g ?
I still cant get mine to turn on, I unhooked the battery, still nothing. I hold the power it goes to the lg screen then nothing. I can hold power and volume up and nothing happens. Does anybody have a idea, I want my phone back.
Thanks
HELP!
My phone somehow will not turn on or charge! I have tried multiple chargers and outlets, and my phone will not charge or get the red light signaling that it is... There is no damage to the phone other than a small crack done a couple months prior. This happened very suddenly, the phone just ran out of batteries then stopped charging... is it possible to find the same battery as this and replace it?? My phone company said LG would not accept it because of the small crack on the front screen corner. Any help would be very greatly appreciated, really dont have the money to buy a phone off contract...
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My phone somehow will not turn on or charge! I have tried multiple chargers and outlets, and my phone will not charge or get the red light signaling that it is... There is no damage to the phone other than a small crack done a couple months prior. This happened very suddenly, the phone just ran out of batteries then stopped charging... is it possible to find the same battery as this and replace it?? My phone company said LG would not accept it because of the small crack on the front screen corner. Any help would be very greatly appreciated, really dont have the money to buy a phone off contract...
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My phone is same yours. you plug and unplug somes times untill red light flash then push power button. goodluck
Wow looks like there are connectors on the back to go to the inside of the back cover... I wonder if this is compatiable with the orbe!... if not it should be easy to use old Palm Touchstone parts to make it charge wirelessly.
I have the sprint version I am hoping it has the same connectors... You guys see the two prongs on the back cover adn the metal places they attach to??
Akop87 said:
Wow looks like there are connectors on the back to go to the inside of the back cover... I wonder if this is compatiable with the orbe!... if not it should be easy to use old Palm Touchstone parts to make it charge wirelessly.
I have the sprint version I am hoping it has the same connectors... You guys see the two prongs on the back cover adn the metal places they attach to??
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Those prongs are for connecting to the antenna in the back cover, not a wireless charger.
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I could use some help guys, if this thread isn't too old. I've searched high and low to the answer here and nothing is working. I've tried download mode, fastboot, recovery, reset, holding power down, plugging it in and unplugging it. I've pulled the plate off of the battery, tried LGNPST, drivers, etc. No go on anything.
The phone is still dead, and will not turn on. The best I've gotten is a solid red light after holding the power button for 15-20 seconds. Then after about 3-5 seconds it resumes flashing (alternating between the red light and the key buttons). If I continue holding the power button down it will repeat this, showing solid red and then reverting to flashing.
I can not get the screen to display anything, not even the charging animation, and none of my computers will even recognize the device. I've been messing with it all day and I'm stuck. If anyone can help me, at all, please do. I hate going to Sprint. Anything but that, please.
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I could use some help guys, if this thread isn't too old. I've searched high and low to the answer here and nothing is working. I've tried download mode, fastboot, recovery, reset, holding power down, plugging it in and unplugging it. I've pulled the plate off of the battery, tried LGNPST, drivers, etc. No go on anything.
The phone is still dead, and will not turn on. The best I've gotten is a solid red light after holding the power button for 15-20 seconds. Then after about 3-5 seconds it resumes flashing (alternating between the red light and the key buttons). If I continue holding the power button down it will repeat this, showing solid red and then reverting to flashing.
I can not get the screen to display anything, not even the charging animation, and none of my computers will even recognize the device. I've been messing with it all day and I'm stuck. If anyone can help me, at all, please do. I hate going to Sprint. Anything but that, please.
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me too.
I was doing the LGNPST and it was stuck at 67% for 15 min so i unplugged and the phone did nothing so I turned it off from recovery and nothing. no power only the power flashes red for a few seconds after pressing.
I am out of town now but if I can get it to turn back on I will send it back since I just received it today.
Unfortunately, my phone is now completely unresponsive. I have had it plugged in to the original wall charger for over two hours and still no power. If i hold down the power button for about 15 seconds while plugged in the red light will blink once every second until i let go. However, if I unplug it and do the same the light will not come on. I'm about to disassemble my brick and see if the battery pull will help any.
Any success stories in detail would be appreciated. Plan B is to send it off to Mobiletechvideos.
Edit: Moving on to plan B....thanks.
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TangoXray said:
Unfortunately, my phone is now completely unresponsive. I have had it plugged in to the original wall charger for over two hours and still no power. If i hold down the power button for about 15 seconds while plugged in the red light will blink once every second until i let go. However, if I unplug it and do the same the light will not come on. I'm about to disassemble my brick and see if the battery pull will help any.
Any success stories in detail would be appreciated. Plan B is to send it off to Mobiletechvideos.
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I did this trick a couple weeks ago when my phone stopped responding. Could only get flashing light while plugged in, and no response when not plugged in. Eventually while plugged in I could get to the bootloader, but could not get to recovery. This fix worked for me, though it may not work for you. You will need a T5 torx (star) screwdriver. Good luck.

Hard Brick unit won't even vibrate....

So I put my prime on my bed (it was on and working but closed in its dock) and proceeded to move my sheets to get in bed. The amount of static electricity it created was amazing (its been very cold and dry here) I didn't really think anything of it. I've shocked my prime touching it many times, however its completely dead. I have tried everything I could find in any post but it basically come down to this.
I let the unit charge fully and the green light comes on, but no matter what buttons I press and hold it never once vibrates (held power over 2 mins), nor does it show anything in device manager.
I was rooted and unlocked, I did the wheele nvflash thing more than a couple months ago. I have also hardware modified my device with external antenna for the WiFi when i got it less than a year ago.
i'm pretty sure i'm screwed but just looking for anything that might help.
mystkrh said:
So I put my prime on my bed (it was on and working but closed in its dock) and proceeded to move my sheets to get in bed. The amount of static electricity it created was amazing (its been very cold and dry here) I didn't really think anything of it. I've shocked my prime touching it many times, however its completely dead. I have tried everything I could find in any post but it basically come down to this.
I let the unit charge fully and the green light comes on, but no matter what buttons I press and hold it never once vibrates (held power over 2 mins), nor does it show anything in device manager.
I was rooted and unlocked, I did the wheele nvflash thing more than a couple months ago. I have also hardware modified my device with external antenna for the WiFi when i got it less than a year ago.
i'm pretty sure i'm screwed but just looking for anything that might help.
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This may or may not help but I had it once where my prime would not turn back on.
I took it out of the dock and plugged the power cable directly into the tablet and then held the power button and it powered up with full charge in it.
Yours does sound like a short issue but it's worth a go.
flumpster said:
This may or may not help but I had it once where my prime would not turn back on.
I took it out of the dock and plugged the power cable directly into the tablet and then held the power button and it powered up with full charge in it.
Yours does sound like a short issue but it's worth a go.
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Nope but thanx for the help
Has anyone ever seen one that wouldn't vibrate before?

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