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AnandTech calls the Transformer Prime the "Best Android Tablet on the market"
ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime Review Part II: Battery Life & More
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5175/asus-transformer-prime-followup
ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jXRoO06aACQ
Yeah, found this really interesting when it was posted here yesterday. A lot of good information.
its easy to be the best when you're the only one running tegra 3....for now....
Its left to be seen how long it'll be "the best".
what's most interesting is that he explains that there was, in fact, a wifi problem. Explains what it was, and how ASUS fixed it temporarily.
I expect we might find in newer revs that the wifi has been placed behind a plastic disk in the back aluminum plate because a dual antenna solution doesn't appear to be a perfect fix.
I think it was a rush bandaid done on a huge mess of production tablets to meet preorders. I think they will have a newer solution once it starts shipping to Europe.
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what's most interesting is that he explains that there was, in fact, a wifi problem. Explains what it was, and how ASUS fixed it temporarily.
I expect we might find in newer revs that the wifi has been placed behind a plastic disk in the back aluminum plate because a dual antenna solution doesn't appear to be a perfect fix.
I think it was a rush bandaid done on a huge mess of production tablets to meet preorders. I think they will have a newer solution once it starts shipping to Europe.
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I doubt it. When they got a unit with both antennas working they had perfectly fine wifi performance so I doubt they would make a design change when its working fine. Plus I think a plastic window would look pretty bad on that brushed aluminum backing.
I felt Anand's review was slightly biased towards Apple because he really likes the MBA.
Basically, he said it was better than a netbook, but not good enough to replace an ultrabook/MBA. IMHO, if it's better than a netbook, it's good enough for probably 90% of the users. The MBA isn't exactly what I would call a "real" laptop in any case.
As far as I can recall, no review sees the big picture of how having one device that replaces two (tablet+laptop) ultimately simplifies computing (and life). Oh well.
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I felt Anand's review was slightly biased towards Apple because he really likes the MBA.
Basically, he said it was better than a netbook, but not good enough to replace an ultrabook/MBA. IMHO, if it's better than a netbook, it's good enough for probably 90% of the users. The MBA isn't exactly what I would call a "real" laptop in any case.
As far as I can recall, no review sees the big picture of how having one device that replaces two (tablet+laptop) ultimately simplifies computing (and life). Oh well.
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I think it's absolutely true that, for many people, a TF/Prime+dock won't replace a notebook. There's just not quite the right software yet, particularly in MS Office editing apps, and there are still some things that are just downright painful to do on an Android tablet (even with the dock).
That's not to knock the Prime+dock, because of course it's better for yet other things than notebooks. Incredibly long battery life, no heat (so can be used comfortably in more settings), etc. are real advantages.
Bottom line is that both devices have their place, which is why I'll have both.
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I felt Anand's review was slightly biased towards Apple because he really likes the MBA.
Basically, he said it was better than a netbook, but not good enough to replace an ultrabook/MBA. IMHO, if it's better than a netbook, it's good enough for probably 90% of the users. The MBA isn't exactly what I would call a "real" laptop in any case.
As far as I can recall, no review sees the big picture of how having one device that replaces two (tablet+laptop) ultimately simplifies computing (and life). Oh well.
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Really? He recommended the Prime so I don't know about bias...
I mean he likes the MBA, yes. But, the air is a good product -- just because it's an Apple product, doesn't mean he is biased. (IMO the Air is a laptop) And he's right, the tablet with dock isn't very productive. (relative to more robust systems) I don't even recall if he said the Prime was better than a netbook -- because productivity-wise, it's not. He said it'll probably be okay for most users but he wouldn't go so far as to say that it was a "laptop replacement" or even a "netbook replacement".
In fact, I don't think he went far enough. This is not an ideal product to get work done. For real productivity, a computer OS is recommended. For tablet use (like quick emails and such) then yes, the prime is great. But, as I used my original tablet + dock, I came to realize that typing wasn't that great of an experience. The typing was slow on a lot of sites (the lag was very evident), it was missing spell check (that's pretty important for me), Google docs SUCKED on tablets, the keys were quite cramped (expected but still wasn't comfortable), excel/powerpoint editing was a pain, and Polaris was missing an auto save feature/spelling/grammar check.
I think some of these points are addressed in the Prime but I still think that if you are a person who uses office a lot (especially if you plan to do anything besides just word documents) then I'm not sure the dock is useful. In the end, I didn't even bother with the dock anymore since it was just an extra thing to carry around. I DLed a very cool thumb keyboard that proved extremely useful for typing on tablets. (I can't seem to remember the name and I sold my tablet + dock recently) It seemed faster to use the on screen keyboard than the dock in some instances.
I would also be wary about typing essays on this thing. I think they fixed most of the crashes but there isn't an auto save feature so I would be extremely annoyed if something happened to my work. (I had rare Polaris/Honeycomb crashes but they did happen) I want to think about what to type -- not worry about remembering to save every 5 minutes.
I actually think everyone sees this as a fusion of the laptop and tablet... but it's not. (and most of it is due to software issues) As a tablet, it was superb; but, as a laptop, it was extremely underwhelming.
I guess for me the idea that a small laptop (13-in and under) is "comfortable" doesn't make sense. Heck, I only find the 17-in ones to be good enough.
Not knocking (only) the MBA, but those laptop keyboards cannot compare to a regular desktop keyboard. And it's hard to manage many windows / data sources on a small laptop screen. On the desktop PC, I'm probably at least twice as efficient as on my laptop.
So, I think it's all relative. The Prime might not be great for long documents, but should be good enough, especially compared to the iPad.
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I actually think everyone sees this as a fusion of the laptop and tablet... but it's not. (and most of it is due to software issues) As a tablet, it was superb; but, as a laptop, it was extremely underwhelming.
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I think that the TF/Prime+dock is better as a notebook than a notebook is as a tablet. Not perfect, but it works in a pinch.
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He also was talking a lot about Honeycomb in the video review and at the end talked about seeing if it improves with ICS.
Was this tablet not meant to be a ICS launch tablet, if thats true then we cant really see how well it does until the ICS update is here.
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I think that the TF/Prime+dock is better as a notebook than a notebook is as a tablet. Not perfect, but it works in a pinch.
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Let me see you recalculate a 5GB Excel spreadsheet on any tablet. Same thing for a 10GB PowerPoint with imbedded video. Tablets are OK as desktop replacements for light duty, but the heavy stuff chokes them both h/w and s/w wise. Also, when you create complicated documents in any of the fake-Office products they appear funky to people opening them in real-Office. So typically you have to do some clean-up on a desktop or laptop with anything you create on a tablet.
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Let me see you recalculate a 5GB Excel spreadsheet on any tablet. Same thing for a 10GB PowerPoint with imbedded video. Tablets are OK as desktop replacements for light duty, but the heavy stuff chokes them both h/w and s/w wise. Also, when you create complicated documents in any of the fake-Office products they appear funky to people opening them in real-Office. So typically you have to do some clean-up on a desktop or laptop with anything you create on a tablet.
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Methinks you're missing my point.
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He also was talking a lot about Honeycomb in the video review and at the end talked about seeing if it improves with ICS.
Was this tablet not meant to be a ICS launch tablet, if thats true then we cant really see how well it does until the ICS update is here.
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Asus or any other manufacturer can use ICS on a product. The Zoom was the HC launch tablet but there aren't any official tablets for the launch of ICS. It's whoever gets there first. Samsung was the official launch partner for ICS in general with the Galaxy Nexus.
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Methinks you're missing my point.
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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I think you nailed it on the head: convenience. A touch screen with 16 hours of convenience.
I mean what is the point of a laptop when a desktop has twice the power for half the money, with a larger screen and better ergonomics, and can do a heck of a lot more? Same difference.
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Asus or any other manufacturer can use ICS on a product. The Zoom was the HC launch tablet but there aren't any official tablets for the launch of ICS. It's whoever gets there first. Samsung was the official launch partner for ICS in general with the Galaxy Nexus.
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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Android apps???
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Asus or any other manufacturer can use ICS on a product. The Zoom was the HC launch tablet but there aren't any official tablets for the launch of ICS. It's whoever gets there first. Samsung was the official launch partner for ICS in general with the Galaxy Nexus.
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Must have... Other than the convenience of a touch screen, what can't you do on a laptop that you can do on an Android tablet?
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Well, quite a few things, of course. Comfortably hold at an ergonomic distance for ebook reading and watching video. Use in settings where a notebook is untenable (e.g., lounging on the couch). And the touchscreen is more than just a "convenience." It affords an entirely different user interface paradigm that's better suited for a number of tasks (e.g., email triage, casual browsing, photo selection, etc.).
My point is that both types of devices have their uses, and comparing them is pretty meaningless. If a person can only afford one, then that person would need to really assess their needs before choosing one over the other. Saying a notebook is the better device is like saying a car is better than a motorcycle--which is only true if you evaluate the motorcycle by the standards of a car. Judged by the standards of a motorcycle, a car falls short.
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Well, quite a few things, of course...
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I finally got what you're saying and mostly agree. This thread-within-a-thread started with the limitations of a tablet for heavy duty computing which is true. I bought a tablet (in addition to a laptop) for all the reasons you listed. It's a fantastic consumption device. If someone owns both they can pick the one that suits what they're doing at the moment best. To pick only one is a personal choice depending on what it's going to be used for. I think a couple of us just wanted to, from experience, make sure others didn't think that tablet+keyboard+Teg3 is going to do all that a Windows or iOS laptop can do and as well. Anyone that's lost a couple of pages of work in a fake-Office product will attest to that.
Assuming you have access to a desktop machine somewhere, RDP/VNC is quite good at solving these heavyweight application needs - or the question of how to access an IE-only web interface on a tablet. It isn't perfect, and it won't solve all of the issues, but I can see it maybe making quite a difference to the way most of us use PCs.
This worries me: "Aluminum does a fairly good job of attenuating RF signals, which contributes to worse range on WiFi than the original plastic Eee Pad Transformer. WiFi performance at the edge of reception as well as the maximum usable WiFi range are both noticeably lower than its predecessor."
My current Transformer is barely registering my WiFi router when I'm in other room. I'll have to change the router or sth.
Hey guys
Im selling my gtab on most probably ebay, and so i need to get bk to complete out the box stock for the UK. Does anyone know what the latest firmware for britain is to achieve this? Will it unroot the tab? as i would like it to be unrooted in the process.
Thanks
Adam (ps- for those wondering why im selling the gtab; im buying the ipad 3, sorry) ;(
Good god, the iPad 3 is horrible, it's like the iPad 1st gen with just more clarity which doesn't make sense, the 5MP camera doesn't even make up for that HD processing that the pad can handle. It's hilarious because the iPad 1-2-3 are almost practially the same -.- and the iPad is a steamrolled version of the iPhone, poor app support for apple tablets. If not for the iPhone 4 HD the iPad market would have plummet.
I've mentioned this before and will do so again, the only time I will get an iPad is if it completely negates the use for a laptop. The iPad3 is only useful if you have a DSLR like a D700 or a D7000 that can render out 10~16MP HD pictures, then that totally makes sense. Or else the only HD you're going to end up getting is some Googled HD wallpapers. And to get those sexy pictures onto the tablet, guess what! You need a laptop -.-, Atleast the 10.1 accept's USB slot's that can detect the camera's MMC unlike the iPad. Sorry for the rant, but I'm not here for fanboyism of which is better These are just a few reason's why the iPad in general isn't worth it. In the end you're going to buy a crap ton of over priced devices just to transfer a picture without the need for a laptop. Useless devices that too. But if you have the money, feel free
Then again, your choice As per your question, Sammobile may guide you on that quest. Doesn't matter what region it is, EU firmware in general does the job for NZ,AU,UK,US regions. Unless it's a 3G tablet then the SIM does the job of the regional settings, so it's all good.
Misledz said:
Good god, the iPad 3 is horrible, it's like the iPad 1st gen with just more clarity which doesn't make sense, the 5MP camera doesn't even make up for that HD processing that the pad can handle. It's hilarious because the iPad 1-2-3 are almost practially the same -.- and the iPad is a steamrolled version of the iPhone, poor app support for apple tablets. If not for the iPhone 4 HD the iPad market would have plummet.
I've mentioned this before and will do so again, the only time I will get an iPad is if it completely negates the use for a laptop. The iPad3 is only useful if you have a DSLR like a D700 or a D7000 that can render out 10~16MP HD pictures, then that totally makes sense. Or else the only HD you're going to end up getting is some Googled HD wallpapers. And to get those sexy pictures onto the tablet, guess what! You need a laptop -.-, Atleast the 10.1 accept's USB slot's that can detect the camera's MMC unlike the iPad. Sorry for the rant, but I'm not here for fanboyism of which is better These are just a few reason's why the iPad in general isn't worth it. In the end you're going to buy a crap ton of over priced devices just to transfer a picture without the need for a laptop. Useless devices that too. But if you have the money, feel free
Then again, your choice As per your question, Sammobile may guide you on that quest. Doesn't matter what region it is, EU firmware in general does the job for NZ,AU,UK,US regions. Unless it's a 3G tablet then the SIM does the job of the regional settings, so it's all good.
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Wow right well that was certainly interesting to read.
I was actually thinking of buying the ipad as i really want some decent tablet apps... And while the market has a few it just dosent have the same depth that the app store has.
Wat do u think of the note 10.1 or new tf coming out? :L
And ok thanks for info about the firmware.
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Wow right well that was certainly interesting to read.
I was actually thinking of buying the ipad as i really want some decent tablet apps... And while the market has a few it just dosent have the same depth that the app store has.
Wat do u think of the note 10.1 or new tf coming out? :L
And ok thanks for info about the firmware.
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Well as far as I know the iPad3 is currently known as the Photographer's tablet Since it basically does everything a photographer wants, contrast, gamma, etc. I do however apologise for the fuse blown on the previous Just thought it's best we equip the user's before they blow money on devices that they feel "Hey This isn't as good as I thought it was"
I do agree with you, the Android tablet market is kinda, weird and at an all time low atm, Samsung keeps making tablet's like hotcakes that they aren't even aware of the situation in the android market, What's worse is there are separate apps -.- I kinda liked iPad Appstore for one main reason, it only shows you what can be installed on the tablet and when it does, it makes sure that it works 100% on the tablet. The android market shows almost everything at some point that when consumers purchase an app, they are bummed to find out after downloading 700~1GB worth of files that "Unsupported Device" or some BSOD or worse, lag galore like no other, I've seen the refund's section being piled up lately because of new devices vs no app support.
You can however get the 11.6 if you want, should be coming right around the corner in Q2-Q3 as the 10.1 Note is nothing new, Giant graphics tablet. 10.2 is a waste too. Because of poor tegra2 chip that screws over the tablet. You'd think Nvidia the world's leading graphics team would have done something about this.
There has been some good reviews about the TF, but the TF Prime they say is mind boggling. Then again great tablet, but poor app support atm.
I think this is iPad and Transformer Prime killer....tablet with ultra light removable keyboard builded in stk like "smart cover".
http://www.youtube.com/user/surface?feature=results_main
It includes 2x USB ports natively not sure how they squeezed those but Bravo Microsoft. There is Zero use for an iPad at this point and its expensive add-ons, its dead.
Windows RT model: 676 g, 9.3 mm, 10.6" ClearType HD Display, 31.5 W-h, microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 32 GB or 64 GB.
Windows 8 Pro: 903 g, 13.5 mm, 10.6" ClearType Full HD Display, 42 W-h, microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae, 64 GB or 128 GB.
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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I don't know if it will kill the ipad, I hope it will bring serious competition to it tho.
I've been using 8, and I absolutely dig it. I think software wise the pieces are falling into place for windows 8 to be more of a success than people expect. With the tie in with all the content options you will have that MS provides with XBOX. The thing that they are bringing to the table that android hasn't is content.
Let me clarify we do have play but compared to what itunes offers, android lacks. Android tab makers don't seem to see past initial purchase, they seem to just want to sell you another tablet. If there were more content available then android tabs would be continuous streams of revenue.
As far as killing the prime, and as much as I love my Prime I think it kinna "fell on the sword" right after release.
The Microsoft hardware looks brilliant. I have been thoroughly disappointed with Microsoft's mobile offerings to-date. They just never seemed to "get it". I would love it if they finally got it right, but I am skeptical.
The hardware looks amazing. I'm not sold on Windows yet, I just wish there was an Android tablet that had hardware with as much quality and thought put into it as the iPad and seemingly the Surface.
The only reason why i bought prime (first tablet) was to tide over 2012, and wait for win8 tablets to become more affordable.
now that Microsoft is in the game gives me goose bumps...
i will not repeat the mistake i made with prime... will wait for the dust to settle in.
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I look forward to replacing my Prime with the Pro model of the Surface tablet.
Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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Nokia?
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That looks pretty cool.. As a few people have said, MS have never really got the mobile bit right.. But we will see!
Cool commercial... Dunno about ipad/prime killer. The magnetic cover looks cool, but I wonder how it will type/sit on your lap for example.
Also, we'll first have to wait for it to actually be available and who knows what kind of other tablets will be out by then.
It's not going to kill anything, maybe apart from MS. (allthough I highly doubt that too).
Unless MS changes their licensing deal, OEMs have to pay too much for win8 making this tablet way too expensive.
Regular customers will not buy it at 400 euro's or more. The even more expensive one, with the ivy bridge chip might hit it big in the corporate section, but I doubt the "big bucks" are made there, in terms of repeating customers and sales of for instance software due too an hugh marketshare.
Maybe in a year or two, when win8 has more marketshare and more people know about the product it might make an impact, but not this specific tablet. (allthough it does look nice). But then again, what do we really know of these tablets? What is the batterylife in real life, what wil be the prices?
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Wow amazing commercial, don't know if its a killer but still, fantastic advertising
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When the Prime was announced, we all said it was a Killer!
The only ones who got killed were the customers and ASUS reputation as quality brand.
Chill out with expectations, when has MS released a product, that was a killer?
Well, They are talking price range on the good one of about $1,000. So it will be going head to head with ultrabooks. So for twice the price a year from now it had best be better!
The last time I saw a keyboard like this was on ZX81.
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets. Just think of the myriad of MS fans that have picked up an Android product (like the TFP) just because it is not an iPad. It could, in turn lead to Windows 8 phone sales increases, though, if the Surface (and other Windows 8 tabs) are a success.
I speak from experience as I have purchased now 5 Android tablets searching for the "one". Let me tell you, I haven't found it (though, I have to say the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is as close as I have gotten thus far).
We also know that MS, like Google, has a road map that is paved with mis-steps (like the Zune - though my Zune 80GB is my favorite MP3) so yes, they still have time to screw this all up!
More and more manufacturers are going to make products like the TFP that actually work - I guess you can say that they will learn from Asus' mistakes.
Exciting tech times we live in! I am not a fanboi of any one OS or manufacturer, so really exciting for me!
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I honestly think that the Surface (and other Windows 8 tablets) will be an Android Tablet killer. MS will probably never make the inroad they need in the phone market, but they have a golden opportunity in tablets.
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The problem is that the boundary between them will blur a lot. It's not clear that tablets by themselves will be a sustainable market. I rather suspect that what will eventually happen is that you'll carry around a core that acts as a phone, but plug it into 'docks' that add things like larger screens, input like keyboards, and so forth. (And, if wireless keeps moving along, maybe not even 'plug in'.)
I will say that I've been a Linux partisan for a while, but I do give MS credit for making solid hardware. There's a reason their mice and keyboards are still popular. From a hardware perspective, this new tablet does look solid and well-thought-out. (Including an actual kickstand? Why isn't that standard on tablets?) I don't have enough experience with Windows 8 to say if the software will really work. The problem is, Microsoft has a history of trouble sealing the deal. (Anyone remember the Zune?)
And I have to say that I'm not as down on the TF201 as some here. My wife surprised me with one (fifteenth anniversary and all), and I've been enjoying it. No, it is not a complete laptop replacement. But - aside from slow and quirky file management - it's been working well for me, and the battery life is delicious.
Maybe a few years down the road I'll buy whatever the 3rd-generation Microsoft tablet is. But for now the advantages aren't enough to make me switch from the TF201.
What I'm expecting:
- Terrible battery life on Pro
- Very high price
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Let's hope not. I think it was a terrible mistake on Google's part to partner with Asus on the Nexus tablet.
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I've been thinking about this as well. I really think that choice may come back to bite Google in the ass.
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Anybody know who's "making" it for them? Hope it's not Asus
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according to zdnet, MS is going the Apple route and making it themselves....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/with-surface-tablet-microsoft-breaks-tradition/12957
I keep hearing that this is not a bargain like the $199 Nexus 7 or $309 Nexus 4 but it really is.
First, you are getting the highest resolution mobile screen EVER. Second, the dual core A15 is the first of its kind if you don't include the chromebook and will not be used in most mobile devices until mid 2013 at least. Third, they managed to make it only 8.9mm thin, something that Apple couldn't do for the new ipad's. Four, it is one of the only 3 devices running Android 4.2. All that for $399.
It is a steal and in some ways even more of a bargain than the other two.
Ignore this post if you are aware, this is for the people that can't see why this is any different than all the other 10 inch Android tablets.
Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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sabre31 said:
Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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I have both devices. They are a good combination. But every app on Nexus 10 looks better.
For some reason I find myself on my dad's iPad 4 rather than my Nexus 10. Apple is def doing something right.
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I have the n7 and the n 10 ipad2 and just sold my galaxy tab 7.7.
Not all apps look better on the N 10. For example the Engadget app does not scale, yet.
Out of all the tablets i have owned the n7 is the best. However I am getting the note 2 on Monday and I suspect it will be my go to device, then the n 10, and finally my laptop.
Another couple of years and they will have finally have a tablet that can be used for work and play, not there yet.
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Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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The point is that the Nexus 10 does web browsing, the main use of a tablet for most, bigger and sharper and has the horse power to push it extremely smoothly.
No one says I have a cell phone, what is the point of a 55 inch TV, my apps look the same on it. Why would anyone say that here?
10 inch is the sweet spot like Steve Jobs said in my opinion. Laptop is too clunky and the Nexus 7 and Note are too small. That is my opinion.
To me, an android phone is the best (love my S3 to death). But for a tablet, iOS is the best. I decided to return my nexus 10 since Im not patient enough. I got frustrated with apps on the nexus 10. Apps do not look good and run well on the nexus for now (this will be fixed, of course). But apps for ipad are also much better. ALso never think more pixels are better. WHat matters is its contrast and color accuracy. More pixels only drain the battery.
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Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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actually apps will look different on the nexus. specificly, they look worse since they haven't been optimized for high resolution screen .. yet
These arguments are pretty pointless. The notion that there must be a one great almighty device that trumps all seems silly to me. They're both great, just buy which one fits your needs. Its a tablet you use to watch YouTube, its not a big deal.
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There is no denying that the iPad 4 is the best all-around tablet out there - build quality, performance, smoothness, tablications, battery life, everything is cool. I'm buying the Nexus 10 however because:
- better bang for the buck, the $100 it's cheaper can be use for the surely coming keyboard dock
- 16:10 - if you're not watching video content why even go for 10", the AR is a nice compromise between 16:9 and 4:3
- Adobe Flash - be honest, you'll miss live streaming and all the flash-based content, and it's not going away anytime soon, N10 runs it well
- extras: higher res screen, NFC, USB-OTG possibilities (media play without root), front-facing quality speakers, lighter weight
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- 16:10 - if you're not watching video content why even go for 10", the AR is a nice compromise between 16:9 and 4:3
- Adobe Flash - be honest, you'll miss live streaming and all the flash-based content, and it's not going away anytime soon, N10 runs it well
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I don't agree with these two points. I bought a 10 inch tablet mainly for Web browsing. My note 2's size is just fine for videos but not for heavy web browsing.
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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Flash is a dying/dead platform on Android, so no big loss there IMHO. And the sooner it's gone completely, the better it is - Flash had its place but today it's just a bloated and very dangerous piece of crap software.
Of course you would make a thread like this lol. The moderators must be getting tired of closing these things...
Who gives a flying frack what the app "looks" like!! Does it do what it is supposed to do? Does it do it fast? Do movies look better than just about anything else out there? Is the sound great compared to most tablets? Is the resolution higher than ANY tablet out there?
Personally I am about getting **** done with a tablet, you can have your pretty apps, because I already got my **** done, and ran 17 more apps while you are "oooh'ing and ahh'ing" over how pretty your apps are...
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are purely my own, don't expect you to or even care if you agree, move along :good:
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I don't agree with these two points. I bought a 10 inch tablet mainly for Web browsing. My note 2's size is just fine for videos but not for heavy web browsing.
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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you don't have to agree. personal opinions are just that. personal opinions. sideloading or not, i'm not quite sure of the difference. apps are apps. we all use them. so whether or not you have to install an app to get something to work the way we want it doesn't really take anything away from the devices we choose. some cars have ugly rims on them when we buy them from the dealer. we buy and put custom wheels on them. your "point" is moot at this point. but an ipad or buy a nexus 10. who cares.
Nexus 10 is so big it doesn't matter how thick it is within reason. Actually, I would've preferred they gave it a bigger battery for longer life unplugged.
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Flash is a dying/dead platform on Android, so no big loss there IMHO. And the sooner it's gone completely, the better it is - Flash had its place but today it's just a bloated and very dangerous piece of crap software.
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Yes Nexus10 is awesome, but I'm a little bit desapointed by Android 4.2 regarding "no flash player" I know the reasons but currently I cannot benefit from web TVs I planned to watch with my new tablet (Orange TV, Canal+, Pluzz...).
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I don't agree with these two points. I bought a 10 inch tablet mainly for Web browsing. My note 2's size is just fine for videos but not for heavy web browsing.
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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I agree CreepyDroid. I tried to sideload the apk and to use other browsers without success. I would apreciate to read a good step by step link
Thank in advance.
Tomatoes8 said:
I keep hearing that this is not a bargain like the $199 Nexus 7 or $309 Nexus 4 but it really is.
First, you are getting the highest resolution mobile screen EVER. Second, the dual core A15 is the first of its kind if you don't include the chromebook and will not be used in most mobile devices until mid 2013 at least. Third, they managed to make it only 8.9mm thin, something that Apple couldn't do for the new ipad's. Four, it is one of the only 3 devices running Android 4.2. All that for $399.
It is a steal and in some ways even more of a bargain than the other two.
Ignore this post if you are aware, this is for the people that can't see why this is any different than all the other 10 inch Android tablets.
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i am really disappointed from google now! say what ever any body wants to say against me, i dont care cause reality aint gonna change!
i am a Samsung Boy... everything i own is from samsung (electronics ofcourse)
in my point of view, Google is a Huge company, Bigger than Apple. google can produce tablet oriented apps! YES IT CAN! i dont really dont find not more than like 10 apps that are ESPECIALLY made for my tablets! i owned Nexus 7, sold that cause of lag in browser, Now i own NOTE 10.1!
an Excellent Tablet! but No Apps!
when i was in search of good tab i had to choose between iPad 3 and Note 10.1 and i went for Note 10.1 cause i love Google but i AGAIN got disappointed! not from the tablet, but the SOFTWARE SUPPORT AND APP AVAILABILITY!
i am thinking of getting Nexus 10 but i am keeping my self away from the idea of getting it cause of app support!
mark my words, THERE WILL BE NO APPS FOR NEXUS 10 AT LEAST NOT FOR THE NEXT 3 TO 4 MONTHS!
Apple is only better in APP support and software support than google! GOOGLE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! WHEN U CAN ACTIVATE MILLIONS OF DEVICES EVERY DAY WHY NOT THE ABILITY TO SUPPORT THEM! DONT TELL ME ITS DIFFICULT FOR GOOGLE! ITS A BILLIONS OF $$ COMPANY!! AND HECK IT HAS SUPPORT OF MONSTER COMPANIES LIKE SAMSUNG, LG, HTC AND OTHERS.....!!!
google is destroying its image in minds of customers like me, who change their gadgets very frequently!
accept it or not dude! u can not deny the reality! SMARTPHONES IS ANDROID THING NOW, TABLETS ARE APPLE THING NOW... and only for the fact of no app and software support!
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Flash is a dying/dead platform on Android, so no big loss there IMHO. And the sooner it's gone completely, the better it is - Flash had its place but today it's just a bloated and very dangerous piece of crap software.
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On the INTERNET, Flash is by far the most popular video format... and until HTML5 has agreed on a format that Chrome Firefox IE Safari Opera etc can agree on, flash video is still the choice for many web designers. If you are interested in seeing that content, you can either get flash a capable browser, or not see the video... crap or not.
I am a uni student and I need a nice tablet to make notes, record lectures, and read documents with. I am into games too but barely have time to play. I want something that will be useful two years from now. I am big on performance and graphics.
With no potential to attach a keyboard, is it really worth the money for a student ? How long will it take before this becomes out dated ?
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You can attach a keyboard. Buy a bluetooth keyboard. It'll hook right up in less than a minute.
I can't guarantee the quality of this thing, but bluetooth keyboard cases exist.
http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Keyboard-Tablet-Leather-Function/dp/B009Z3OY6Y/ref=pd_sbs_pc_12
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I am a uni student and I need a nice tablet to make notes, record lectures, and read documents with. I am into games too but barely have time to play. I want something that will be useful two years from now. I am big on performance and graphics.
With no potential to attach a keyboard, is it really worth the money for a student ? How long will it take before this becomes out dated ?
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http://amzn.com/B0054L8N7M
1 example. Search "Bluetooth Tablet Keyboard" on Amazon or whatever your site of preference is for others.
Nice...I hope by DEC 26 I'll be able to get it in Toronto.
Let's say I have a document open is it easy to highlight with my fingers ? Nexus 7 is attractive but with 1gb of Ram I just can't ponder it. And battery life ? Decent ?
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e Nexus 7 is a powerful enough device with 1gb RAM which only sounds insufficient due to the 2gb devices that have come out(nexus 10). You could also consider the Asus Transformer series as you can get a keyboard dock with a built in battery and a full sized USB port, also a micro SD card slot but you won't get the vanilla android experience and timely updates like you will on the Nexus. It depends on what you prefer. Hope that helped.
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I am a uni student and I need a nice tablet to make notes, record lectures, and read documents with. I am into games too but barely have time to play. I want something that will be useful two years from now. I am big on performance and graphics.
With no potential to attach a keyboard, is it really worth the money for a student ? How long will it take before this becomes out dated ?
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Most tablets don't have specific keyboard attachments made by the manufacturer; Asus is the exception, if you think you need a keyboard, check out the Transformer series of tablets. I owned an Asus Tf700 tablet w/ the keyboard dock and IMO found the keyboard too small for accurate/quick typing. Instead, I use a Wacom Bamboo stylus and digitally "handwrite" my notes using two apps; 7Notes & Evernote. 7Notes is a keyboard replacement for handwriting text and actively converts your writing to typed text; in combo w/ Evernote, I love it. At the end of the day I have clean, organized & typed notes saved in the cloud on my Evernote account.
Me? I have a laptop w/ normal sized keyboard for typing; I bought my tablet for just that..a tablet lol.
My reasons for getting the N10:
- Pure Google/Android experience & almost instant updates. (2 yrs use is absolutely achievable w/ a Nexus device)
- Great specs & design doesn't look anything like an iPad + the display is gorgeous.
- And of course school; this includes taking notes as I'm also a college student.
Also, Highlighting text is pretty straight forward & easy for copy/paste actions.
I said to 1gb referring to the nexus 7. And using Bluetooth as a keyboard would kill battery. I'm on my phone will get to my desktop soon and research. I love the bonus power from the Asus tho.
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I have the exact same requirement too. I plan on reading docs, books, making notes and watch movies/tv shows occasionally. I plan on getting the nexus 10 seeing as it has the best screen res amongst all android tablets, thereby making reading books like harrisons medicine more convenient.
That being said, I will probably sell the N10 and order a Note 10.1 2 with a full HD display the moment it becomes available(at some point in the future). From what I've seen, the productivity on a note is unparallelled amongst android tabs.
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I have the exact same requirement too. I plan on reading docs, books, making notes and watch movies/tv shows occasionally. I plan on getting the nexus 10 seeing as it has the best screen res amongst all android tablets, thereby making reading books like harrisons medicine more convenient.
That being said, I will probably sell the N10 and order a Note 10.1 2 with a full HD display the moment it becomes available(at some point in the future). From what I've seen, the productivity on a note is unparallelled amongst android tabs.
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True ... Hopefully I can get $320 when I sell it.
Guys there are talks of not enough apps meant for tablets... What is Google doing about this ? And battery life.. how is it ?
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Waiting game is hard, but be strong and wait till CES comes around. For a student, having a Wacom stylus is a must and N10 simply doesn't fit the bill. Like a previous poster said, lets hope they release higher-res followup to the Note.
May be just may be ASUS will wake up and add stylus to the Transformer line (TF1000 ?
The jury is out on Windows 8 RT - it is DOA ... darn shame, as MS Note is the best note taking app ever, period. Sammy has 2 Windows 8 tablet out (Ativs) out, but too many folx are complaining about quirky stylus, battery life doesn't even come close to android tablets or Ipad ... Surface Pro will suffer from the same short @ss battery life.
It is sad state of affairs in the tablet market, as far as students are concerned ... will probably take another year for the ultimate tablet to emerge.
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Waiting game is hard, but be strong and wait till CES comes around. For a student, having a Wacom stylus is a must and N10 simply doesn't fit the bill. Like a previous poster said, lets hope they release higher-res followup to the Note.
May be just may be ASUS will wake up and add stylus to the Transformer line (TF1000 ?
The jury is out on Windows 8 RT - it is DOA ... darn shame, as MS Note is the best note taking app ever, period. Sammy has 2 Windows 8 tablet out (Ativs) out, but too many folx are complaining about quirky stylus, battery life doesn't even come close to android tablets or Ipad ... Surface Pro will suffer from the same short @ss battery life.
It is sad state of affairs in the tablet market, as far as students are concerned ... will probably take another year for the ultimate tablet to emerge.
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Exactly..I plan on buying the N10 when I go to the US in Janary. I won't be taking it if there is an announcement of a new Note at CES(which is unlikely, considering its only been a couple of months since they brought out the Note).
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Guys there are talks of not enough apps meant for tablets... What is Google doing about this ? And battery life.. how is it ?
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Battery life is fantastic. And in regards to "not enough apps for tablets", there's really nothing Google can do about that. That's up to app developers, not Google.
Not to mention, that Android tablets never reeall had the issues other tablets had.. most scale perfectly, and you wouldn't know they aren't for tablets (this goes for things like many games, web browsers, office aps, etc) . Those that do have problems are normally quick to get updates... frankly, the the issue is really overrated ..
I'm a student and I have been using it to study, although not take notes. I would not recommend this for taking notes because of the lack of the palm guard. Makes it very difficult and awkward to take notes on. As other posters have said, get the Galaxy Note 10.1 if you would like to take notes seriously. However, the Note 10.1 I ultimately decided against because the screen resolution got terrible reviews and I am huge on that, also the vanilla Android experience was too much for me to say no to. I really enjoy my Nexus 10 so far, and can get over the fact that there is no palm guard. Its a great device for the price overall
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Guys there are talks of not enough apps meant for tablets... What is Google doing about this ? And battery life.. how is it ?
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Google has been doing its best to try and motivate and encourage the developers to create more tablet optimized apps. Read this...
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-wants-to-see-better-tablet-apps/
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I think I'm going to wait then.. since its only good for studying. No network connectivity is an issue too since most of the apps I use need the net. No stylus.. Sucks the N7 only has 1gb of Ram which means lag. No tab for me then.. at least for now. Screen reviews are amazing tho ...speed and screen size suggest longevity. Bluetooth keyboard is attractive but I'm not sold. No SD, and No Network. Hard to spend $400 plus on it.
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I think I'm going to wait then.. since its only good for studying. No network connectivity is an issue too since most of the apps I use need the net. No stylus.. Sucks the N7 only has 1gb of Ram which means lag. No tab for me then.. at least for now. Screen reviews are amazing tho ...speed and screen size suggest longevity. Bluetooth keyboard is attractive but I'm not sold. No SD, and No Network. Hard to spend $400 plus on it.
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If you don't think the N10 is worth $400, you have a rude awakening coming when you see how much comparable tablets are in the marketplace, especially ones with stylus support out of the box!
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I think I'm going to wait then.. since its only good for studying. No network connectivity is an issue too since most of the apps I use need the net. No stylus.. Sucks the N7 only has 1gb of Ram which means lag. No tab for me then.. at least for now. Screen reviews are amazing tho ...speed and screen size suggest longevity. Bluetooth keyboard is attractive but I'm not sold. No SD, and No Network. Hard to spend $400 plus on it.
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Is definitely hard to beat for many aspects but this tablet just isn't right for you, I can respect that although you may ultimately be displeased with other tablets for reasons that the nexus 10 excels in. I do think you ought to look into the note 10.1 if you are most concerned about note taking. Good luck finding the right gadget sir or madam
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