Last night I decided to try to update my prl through the updater in Sense and I got an error code 1233. Called sprint tech support and spent an hour trying to get it fixed. The tech ended up just sending me a new phone, which a huge buzz kill because I've had hboot 1.12 since the beginning with s-off. Was running toasted-deck from irc, and I don't know if that had anything to do with my phone getting screwed up so I figured I'd ask if anyone else has had this problem? I want to unlock this new phone when I get it too, and I'm really going to miss TD if this is a common problem.
I got the same thing while trying to update my firmware.
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I got the same thing while trying to update my firmware.
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OF wouldn't accept a new phone there's a method of fixing it with WiFi and checking HTC updates then rebooting
cm10ed 3VO
I was getting this too. I had to run an errand up to another major city north of where I live. While there, I figured I'd give it a shot again, and it worked there. If you get the opportunity, try running it in a different area from where you tried.
I'm surprised that they are sending you a new phone for this.
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OF wouldn't accept a new phone there's a method of fixing it with WiFi and checking HTC updates then rebooting
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I searched high and low for a fix before I even called Sprint Tech. Any chance you can point me in the right direction? I'll just send them their locked down phone back if I can fix this one.
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I was getting this too. I had to run an errand up to another major city north of where I live. While there, I figured I'd give it a shot again, and it worked there. If you get the opportunity, try running it in a different area from where you tried.
I'm surprised that they are sending you a new phone for this.
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Unfortunately I did try in a few different areas. I live in Cincinnati and go to school in Dayton, but got the same error in both places. I really wonder how this even happened because I never had a problem running AOSP on my OG EVO so I don't think that could be it.
I had this happen on my 3D and when it did work it only connected to Verizon....weird I know and even the tech couldn't believe but I did a data reset on it and never had that problem again.
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So I was on stock with goodies and just out of curiosity switched to mean rom to try and activate my phone. The activation went off without a hitch and now my phone is working perfectly again. So pumped.
if u were able to do it before then all of sudden u can't, it must be sprint
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I get the error code also, im on flex 2.18 I'm gonna try a different rom tomorrow to see if it still does it, another thing that's driving me crazy is when i call my wife's or my brothers phone it rings once then goes to a busy signal i have to force my phone to roam to call them and it only happens when i call one of them and all three phones are on my account
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I get the error code also, im on flex 2.18 I'm gonna try a different rom tomorrow to see if it still does it, another thing that's driving me crazy is when i call my wife's or my brothers phone it rings once then goes to a busy signal i have to force my phone to roam to call them and it only happens when i call one of them and all three phones are on my account
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Are you using Google voice? I've found that GV messes things up like that.
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Are you using Google voice? I've found that GV messes things up like that.
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OK i flashed to mean rom and now I'm able to update prl and profile without getting the error, as for the busy tone it was gv, i signed out of gv the calls went thru then i signed back in and get the busy signal again, which sucks because that's never happened before till now.
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I had the same problem a few days ago. I was Running CM10 and switched over to Stock w/ Goodies to update my PRL and Profile so i can take advantage of LA's new LTE network but i kept getting that error. I ended up unrooting and relocking my phone and restored to complete stock after that it updated fine the first time. I doubt being rooted prevents you from updating either the PRL or Profile.
I was getting the same error code at work. I googled the code ansomeone said it was a connection problem. I believe this because I never get a good signal at work. When I got home my prl updated. I'm on meanrom.
Easy Fix
Turn off WiFi and LTE radio (CDMA only) and try it. You should be able to update the PRL and Profile.
As "zAcHcOmA" mentioned, I also gave them a Thanks for it.. I had the same issue with "Error Code 1233".
My problem started when I noticed every incoming call I tried to answer thru the Handset would basically act as if I missed the call. Seems I didn't have an issue answering through Blue Tooth though. Not exactly sure what is causing this. I'll keep an eye on it after updating my PRL & Profile. Anyways, I did the following and was able to update both PRL & Profile..
1. Make sure Wireless is off
2. Set network to by going to Settings - Mobile Data - Network Mode "CDMA only"
3. I was then able to update both PRL & Profile through System Updates and I then rebooted my phone.
I'll now find out if my issue is resolved or if I still have on going issues.
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I apologize as I'm certain this has been asked already. I just got my EVO LTE today. I'm using the Android xda app and I can't find any way to confine a search to a specific forum. When I type in my search, the app searches all forums at CDs!
When I'm away from a wifi signal, and I try to use any app that requires a data connection, I get a no data signal error.
I have tried switching to cdma only, but that does not work. When I check in settings, it also says, "no data connection".
So 1. What's up with that?
Bonus 2. Is there a way to search in the Android xda app and limit it to one forum?
Thanks.
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The answer to 2. Is no theres not. Would be nice though not sure about 1 though, have you tried updating your profile?
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I've updated my profile and my prl.
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I've updated my profile and my prl.
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Have you called sprint? Stupid question but you have mobile data turned on right?
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I have a co-worker who just got this phone 2 days ago with the same problem. He called the store, told him what was going on and they said bring it back and they gave him a new one. Well it didn't fix the problem. Now they are saying its cuz Sprint is still working on making things work on ICS.. they have also said its because the update hasn't come to make it a working 4G LTE phone yet.. my friend is a EVO fan and is trying to stick it out, he has a 14 day buyers remorse period which he can exchange it for a different phone which he might go to the SGS2 .. any info would be great. Thanks on advance
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Yes, mobile data is on. That's where it says, "no data connection". If you long press, you have the option for cdma only.
I haven't yet called Sprint because I figured this issue must have been posted here and someone had a fix. Also had fear Sprint would not know what the problem was. After the above post, I guess I have a good reason!
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In the "mobile networks" settings try checking the "domestic data" option
Yep, domestic data is also on.
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Bummer...that fixed my wife's
Apparently,a reboot thus morning seems to have fixed it.
Computer 101 I guess!
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I had the same problem and used ##3282# to delete profile and couldn't get it to reconnect. Come to find it is was because i was connected to an airave. I went up the street and updated the profile again and it started working instantly. Haven't had any more problems since.
Same problems here - I kept going into roaming mode with full bars, then out of roaming and zero bars. Couldn't use any mobile data or make calls.
Kept having to update the PRL - like every hour or so. Eventually, updating the PRL stopped fixing the problem. Resetting the phone got the mobile connection working again but it still wigs out after awhile and updating the PRL isn't helping. Only resetting makes it work. Ugh.
I'm on wifi a lot and the wifi radio seems to work like a champ.
Updating the PRL and Profile and then rebooting the phone solved the problem for me.
i am headed to the sprint repair center at lunch for this issue. It will work great as long as I do not turn on the wifi..as soon as it connects to a wifi source it drop the mobile network like it should..but when the wifi goes away it will not reconnect to mobile network..it will say "turning on" then just go to disconnected...sucks. Hope they can either fix it or provide a new one.
Hi everyone: It all started last night when I tried to do a PRL update but accidentally hit Profile update...Now my data doesn't work! I took my phone to the sprint store to see if they can get it going and they couldn't.
They tried a prl/profile update and a hard reset its a no go, They also tried ##72786# code and the phone won't activate the MSL screen even ##DATA# won't work. They said they never seen this issue before and said I need a replacement (Refurb).
I don't want a refurb! Is there anything I can do to fix it...Im 100% stock with the new OTA update.
this also happened to me- I had to get them to order me a new one yesterday... Also from what they said, they still are sending out new ones as replacements here..
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this also happened to me- I had to get them to order me a new one yesterday... Also from what they said, they still are sending out new ones as replacements here..
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Wow! I went ahead and ordered it hope its a new one!
I think there are files that got corrupted.
If anyone can help fix before I get the replacement Let me know thanks.
Are you rooted ? If so try a full wipe or try running an ruu.
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\=LTE
I had the same problem, and I had to get a replacement.
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laie1472 said:
Are you rooted ? If so try a full wipe or try running an ruu.
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\=LTE
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I'm stock! Is it possible to run a ruu stock?
I noticed In settings/about/phone identity my current usernames is blanked!
Update: I can't receive call either just make them
Yes you can run an ruu if your stock. Also I would recommend it. Hopefully it helps.
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laie1472 said:
Yes you can run an ruu if your stock. Also I would recommend it. Hopefully it helps.
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\=LTE
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I run the ruu and its a no go!
looks like its a deeper problem
I had a couple customers come in with this issue and me and 1 of the techs i work with, were able to fix this issue with some trial and error. Took about 2 hours to fix tho.
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I had a couple customers come in with this issue and me and 1 of the techs i work with, were able to fix this issue with some trial and error. Took about 2 hours to fix tho.
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Sooooooooooooooooooooooo....what was the fix? LOL Same thing happened to me last night at my local Best Buy. Spent two hours there trying to get my phone working again. She finally gave up and pulled a new one from stock. Sweet!
Great. The so-called "fix" is getting a new handset?! Great...
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Actually no. It consisted of doing data refresh's, hard resets, profile updates and username resets. Also we had to flag the phone stolen then have it taken off.
Huge hassle.
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Activate Device
Mine was doing the same thing after a pushed PRL update...scratched my head for a while figuring it out. I used "Activate Device" in settings: it took a few tries but eventually showed results. Afterward, it allowed the profile update.
I have both the SGS3 and the EVO 4GLTE. I switch between the two phones every now and then. The problem is when I activate the evo via the Sprint website, I get the constant error code 67 message. Doing a ##scrtn# or ##rtn# reset doesn't help. It goes through the activation but data doesn't work. I can make phone calls...
When I activate the SGS3 I don't have any of these issues.
How do I get data to work on the evo 4g lte without having to call Sprint tech support?
Have u tried updating profile and prl? Long shot but it worked for me in similar situation
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te45a said:
Have u tried updating profile and prl? Long shot but it worked for me in similar situation
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Yah I tried this but it didn't work.
Data Call Failures.. How I hate them. My first EVO failed when updating profile, and I lost data and texting for good on it. No EPST codes would work with it, nothing would happen.
I would suggest bringing it into a Sprint store.
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Data Call Failures.. How I hate them. My first EVO failed when updating profile, and I lost data and texting for good on it. No EPST codes would work with it, nothing would happen.
I would suggest bringing it into a Sprint store.
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Yah but I don't want to do that all the time when I activate the evo 4g lte. Also kinda afraid that the will update the hboot.
Very weird this time when in switched over, I was able to do with ##scrtn# and activated and provisioned properly and data is working.
So after working with Sprint with morning and messing with it all day I am at a lost and have taken to XDA to find the cure.
My LTE stopped working properly over the past, well ever since i got it actually, but ever since LTE went live in Chicago i have not been able to keep a mobile connection. I have been switching back and forth between my og EVO and my LTE. I went back to my LTE and long story short I can make calls and texts and the WiFi works but I have no mobile network. It shows the bars but has no 1x or 3g or 4g icon. I have had Sprint reset the phone and re-active it numerous times and still nothing. Anyone have an idea how to get it back? even by going through ##3828# ?
on a side note, when Sprint re-activated the phone and reset it when i booted the phone back on it did NOT do a hand free activation.
Please Help
EDIT: also it won't do Firmware, PRL, Profile updates....
Call Sprint. Have them update your profile manually. Reboot. Update prl and pri
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Deathsnuggle said:
Call Sprint. Have them update your profile manually. Reboot. Update prl and pri
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I did, my phone will not update PRL or PRI, it just loads and loads. And Sprint never can help me I have called today.
I just got a glimpse of 3G!! So I opened Titanium Backup and i got this "message" (see attached) I clicked "restore the previous ID" and my 3G icon went on for about 10 seconds and then went away again and has not reappeared.
I am also having this problem as of today...just randomly happened....Just keeps "Looking for Service" wifi works, but nothing else does.....hmmmmmm
Mine though has no bars, just an x above the bars....won't call/text/anything....hmmmmm
Mine does this occasionally. Especially while using WiFi. X over signal, looking for service. I started a thread but didn't get a reply. For me, rebooting the phone restores the signal. It hasn't happened for a while so hopefully fixed itself somehow.
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5 Liter Fever said:
Mine does this occasionally. Especially while using WiFi. X over signal, looking for service. I started a thread but didn't get a reply. For me, rebooting the phone restores the signal. It hasn't happened for a while so hopefully fixed itself somehow.
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I have an S2 and i noticed over the past day that it randomly drops service but picks it right back up while driving around town. (Chicago Suburb).
Rebooting does nothing for me though
EDIT: on the phone with Sprint at the moment, we shall see how good they are.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1876622
This was my thread with a similar issue. Changing active profile from 0 to 1 fixed my issue. Perhaps it would fix yours too?
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Cherokee4Life said:
I have an S2 and i noticed over the past day that it randomly drops service but picks it right back up while driving around town. (Chicago Suburb).
Rebooting does nothing for me though
EDIT: on the phone with Sprint at the moment, we shall see how good they are.
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Just got off the phone... all they wanted to do was a profile update. Data Profile reset and then a Factory Reset.
All of which I have tried before. Finally she told me I had to take it into a Sprint service center because their is something physically wrong with the phone because the hands free activation would never activate.
READ!!!!!! ----> She mentioned something under her breath that I don't think she wanted me to hear. She asked if I was in Illinois. When I said yes I am in the Chicago Suburb area she quietly said "oh.. there is an outage in your area" HMMMM Interesting.
Moderators rescale pics often u need q iphone then
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Moderators rescale pics often u need q iphone then
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huh?
Try to do the hard factory reset using ##786# AND enter your MSL as the password that is how I got mine to work... My issue was becaiee my MID AMD MEID were somehow both deleted..after doing this it will reset and force a handsfree activation on boot up.
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EVOuser94 said:
Try to do the hard factory reset using ##786# AND enter your MSL as the password that is how I got mine to work... My issue was becaiee my MID AMD MEID were somehow both deleted..after doing this it will reset and force a handsfree activation on boot up.
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You sir are a genius. First i went into ##3282## and entered my MSL and reset it there and then I went into ##786# and reset my phone. It took a while but finally booted back up and went to the Hands Free Activation. Mind you, I have had 5 different employees for Sprint attempt to get my phone to do the hands free activation and none of them could.
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You sir are a genius. First i went into ##3282## and entered my MSL and reset it there and then I went into ##786# and reset my phone. It took a while but finally booted back up and went to the Hands Free Activation. Mind you, I have had 5 different employees for Sprint attempt to get my phone to do the hands free activation and none of them could.
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Lol it was all trial and error!!! Took me like 4 hours to figure this out... 1 hour at least on the phone with Sprint, they are idiots!!!! Lol
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gmugrad04 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1876622
This was my thread with a similar issue. Changing active profile from 0 to 1 fixed my issue. Perhaps it would fix yours too?
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This was the issue on my end....I probably looked at the data profile 50 times in the last day trying to figure it out....Sprint, no help (they just want to reset everything)....the worse part is once I read this and saw mine was at 0, I almost knocked myself over because I couldn't believe I didn't see it earlier!...Thank You for making me look twice at that and caught my mistake!
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This was the issue on my end....I probably looked at the data profile 50 times in the last day trying to figure it out....Sprint, no help (they just want to reset everything)....the worse part is once I read this and saw mine was at 0, I almost knocked myself over because I couldn't believe I didn't see it earlier!...Thank You for making me look twice at that and caught my mistake!
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Sorry, where did you go to set it to "1"? I'm having the same problem and hoping this fixes it. Thanks!
Im going to explain this problem in a depth as i can.
I am s-off'd via jtagged, rooted and have twp recovery. I am on newest radio running NOS M7 v2.0.3
I can only connect to 3G for some reason with it reading eHRPD.
i do not know if it was reading this before i started the process of rooting since i never turn the phone completely on once i got it back.
So after some reading and advice i downloaded LTE on off to force 4G
It worked but at the cost of losing my mobile network causing me to not be able to make calls or send out text but i have 4G i can get on the internet.
Atm i am plagued with having 3G and service or using 4G w/o service... and this is a problem.
Also while on 4G it reads RSRP if that helps.
Idk if this is a hardware problem from me getting my device jtagged (which would suck since that means im stuck with it) or if it can be fixed.
Any suggestions would be highly appreciated since im getting annoyed
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Im going to explain this problem in a depth as i can.
I am s-off'd via jtagged, rooted and have twp recovery. I am on newest radio running NOS M7 v2.0.3
I can only connect to 3G for some reason with it reading eHRPD.
i do not know if it was reading this before i started the process of rooting since i never turn the phone completely on once i got it back.
So after some reading and advice i downloaded LTE on off to force 4G
It worked but at the cost of losing my mobile network causing me to not be able to make calls or send out text but i have 4G i can get on the internet.
Atm i am plagued with having 3G and service or using 4G w/o service... and this is a problem.
Also while on 4G it reads RSRP if that helps.
Idk if this is a hardware problem from me getting my device jtagged (which would suck since that means im stuck with it) or if it can be fixed.
Any suggestions would be highly appreciated since im getting annoyed
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What carrier are you on?
In any case, I would RUU back to stock, including kernel, and see if I get 4G. Make sure 4G is available in your area....?
Look in mobile connection make sure you have 4g enabled...
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I had the same problem when I got my phone back. Took it back to Verizon and got a new phone. I tried everything and nothing worked. It is like something happened to the radio. Tried to flash a new one nothing. Still haven't heard back from mtv on trying to get a refund.
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Sigh thats something i wanna avoid so Ill just have to stay stuck until moonshine comes out. I really like sense 5 and I don't wanna go back to 4+... Then I'll get a replacement I guess.
As far as RUU to stock and seeing if I was on LTE I already did all that. I was almost looking into build.props but I assumed that wouldnt work either. So guess I'm just stuck on 3G unless it randomly wanna come back which I doubt unless somebody comes up with a solution besides just getting a replacement.
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droidfun09 said:
Im going to explain this problem in a depth as i can.
I am s-off'd via jtagged, rooted and have twp recovery. I am on newest radio running NOS M7 v2.0.3
I can only connect to 3G for some reason with it reading eHRPD.
i do not know if it was reading this before i started the process of rooting since i never turn the phone completely on once i got it back.
So after some reading and advice i downloaded LTE on off to force 4G
It worked but at the cost of losing my mobile network causing me to not be able to make calls or send out text but i have 4G i can get on the internet.
Atm i am plagued with having 3G and service or using 4G w/o service... and this is a problem.
Also while on 4G it reads RSRP if that helps.
Idk if this is a hardware problem from me getting my device jtagged (which would suck since that means im stuck with it) or if it can be fixed.
Any suggestions would be highly appreciated since im getting annoyed
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I had this happen after using my nexus. Somehow my SIM got corrupted. 4g worked on the galaxynexus but not my DNA. New SIM card fixed it. Try going to Verizon and asking for a new SIM card.
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Thank you that fixed it. It took two Sims but I got everything working and now I have the ultimate phone.
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Thank you that fixed it. It took two Sims but I got everything working and now I have the ultimate phone.
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Awesome. I would like to know why it does this. It's nice to use my nexus every once in a while. But now I can't without needing a new sim.
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I mean I doubt this is it but I had a really old sim card since 4G first came out. I would test this but I don't want it to happen again. Lol
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I mean I doubt this is it but I had a really old sim card since 4G first came out. I would test this but I don't want it to happen again. Lol
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Thank you that fixed it. It took two Sims but I got everything working and now I have the ultimate phone.
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I have the same issue that you are having. I am glad I was not the only person to have this happen I am going to put my phone back to being S-On and locked with the factory ROM and then head to Verizon to get a new SIM card.
chayos00 said:
I have the same issue that you are having. I am glad I was not the only person to have this happen I am going to put my phone back to being S-On and locked with the factory ROM and then head to Verizon to get a new SIM card.
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That's more than likely not necessary if ur just getting a new SIM card. U shouldn't have an issue even if ur s off and unlocked. SIM cards r free.
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That's more than likely not necessary if ur just getting a new SIM card. U shouldn't have an issue even if ur s off and unlocked. SIM cards r free.
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Correct they are free, but the guy I tend to see at the Verizon store always seems to launch that hboot screen everytime I go in there. He did when I had the SIM card swapped earlier in the year as it would disconnect from my network several times a day. So I just want to be on the safe side.
I had my SIM card replaced twice on my resound and both times went to the store without relocking the bootloader or anything. Didn't have any issues. They programmed the new card and I was on my merry way. Maybe call em first and without giving any of ur account information ask if u can get a new SIM card if uv rooted ur phone. It would suck to go thru that process if it's not necessary but I can certainly understand the better safe than sorry approach. The phone call would definitely be worth the time though imo.
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Correct they are free, but the guy I tend to see at the Verizon store always seems to launch that hboot screen everytime I go in there. He did when I had the SIM card swapped earlier in the year as it would disconnect from my network several times a day. So I just want to be on the safe side.
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Just go in and ask for a new sim card. No need to waste your time relocking and s-on'ing your phone.
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So I got the issue resolved without a new SIM card. So here is a combo of things I did to resolved the issue. I have everything in the link below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2338810
I think it was resolved after I flashed my radio and then I went back to stock just in case I have any more issues in the next week. As if I do I will go back to the Verizon store and swap out my phone. But I'd rather be S-ON in case that happens and be that way for a bit. Plus I wanted to test the S-ON for future purposes of in case I needed to get back there I knew how to.