Hello, I got my Galaxy Samsung SII repaired by Samsung, it came back with 4.0.4 (but went to them with 4.0.3). The info when I got it back were:
Model number
GT-I9100P
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Android version
4.0.4
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Baseband version
I9100PBVLPB
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Kernel version
3.0.15-I900PBVLPC-CL1020445
[email protected] 153 #3
SMP PREEMPT Mon Aug 13 13:55:36 KST 2012
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Build number
IML76D.BVLPC
I rooted the kernel and then used used a CWM Recovery of my phone (rooted kernel only 4.0.3) to recover SMS/Call log/Apps etc. I've reflashed the latest stock 4.0.3 ROM (I9100PBVLPA_I9100PORALP9_ORA.tar), but Kies still isn't giving me a 4.0.4 version to upgrade to.
sammobile.com/firmware/
GT-I9100P United Kingdom (Orange) 2012 August Android 4.0.3 I9100PBVLPC I9100PORALPB
droidevelopers.com/f364/11662-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100p-firmware-list.html
I9100PBVLPA 2012 June I9100PORALP9 United Kingdom (Orange) I used this ROM
androidromupdate.com/2012/07/04/i9100pbvlp8_ora-uk-orange-galaxy-s2-gt-i9100p-nfc-stock-ics-4-0-3-firmware/
I cannot find any reference to an Orange UK 4.0.4 ROM to upgrade to. Has one been released into the wild or are there reports of other Orange UK users getting them OTA or Kies?
As far as I'm aware orange ppl have yet to receive ics and are officially still on gb
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jr866gooner said:
As far as I'm aware orange ppl have yet to receive ics and are officially still on gb
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Entirely untrue. Orange released ICS along with all the other networks.
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sammobile.com/firmware/
GT-I9100P United Kingdom (Orange) 2012 August Android 4.0.3 I9100PBVLPC I9100PORALPB
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Ignore that this says 4.0.3. Its BVLPC and was released in August. Same as the 4.0.4 ROM you had on your phone when you got it back. I would say that this is the 4.0.4 ROM. Dont know why Kies isnt giving you the option to upgrade to it, but use Odin to flash it. It'll work just like a normal upgrade and keep all your settings/apps.
Ignore that this says 4.0.3. Its BVLPC and was released in August. Same as the 4.0.4 ROM you had on your phone when you got it back. I would say that this is the 4.0.4 ROM. Dont know why Kies isnt giving you the option to upgrade to it, but use Odin to flash it. It'll work just like a normal upgrade and keep all your settings/apps.
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Aha! That does sound excellent. It is wierd that Kies didn't do anything, especially as tonight it did a minor Kies update when I fired it up this afternoon and only installed Kies two days ago. I used a spare Win XP machine at work to connect to my phone, but usually use my mac at home. I'll try the Mac tomorrow night. If that doesn't work, I'll try CWM Recovery to flash it from the microSD card with the August ROM.
Thanks for the reply :laugh:
giac0m0 said:
. I'll try the Mac tomorrow night. If that doesn't work, I'll try CWM Recovery to flash it from the microSD card with the August ROM.
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Haven't had the time to check this with Kies before now, but tonight when i connected my mac to the S2, Kies spotted that I could update to the BVLPC.
Wait, if it came back with 4.0.4, and this is the version you wanted, why on earth did you go back to 4.0.3 just to go back to 4.0.4?
You had no reason to flash 4.0.3 to root your device, All you needed to do was to flash kernel.
TheATHEiST said:
Wait, if it came back with 4.0.4, and this is the version you wanted, why on earth did you go back to 4.0.3 just to go back to 4.0.4?
You had no reason to flash 4.0.3 to root your device, All you needed to do was to flash kernel.
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I didn't realise the CWM backup would restore the entire partition (in kernel) beyond two stock ROM generations. That was a mistake! The goal here was to flash it with a 4.0.3 and then use Kies to take me to 4.0.4.
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Could anyone upload this please, i flashed the i9100 one to get rid of the warning triangle but now my phone thinks its a i9100. I did not not it would change everything.
Anyone have a solution for this ?
Have a look at the files in my Dropbox. Original Zimage for BVKI3(Orange Uk) and CF-root Zimage. Put the Zimage on the root of your phone sd card.
Flash from HC-KTool or CWM
Original Kernel
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34590193/Ori...0Kernel/zImage
CF-Root Kernel
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34590193/CF-...0Kernel/zImage
Saull said:
Could anyone upload this please, i flashed the i9100 one to get rid of the warning triangle but now my phone thinks its a i9100. I did not not it would change everything.
Anyone have a solution for this ?
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You are one lucky dude.Flashing the bootloader of a different device and surviving to tell the tale,albeit with a little personality crisis?Wicked.
Well,wait for the opinion of someone more experienced than me,but I think that flashing the normal I9100p bootloader will sort things out.
bootloader =/= kernel.
Sorry was rushing out this morning. Try here...
http://skywanker.net/Default.aspx
Then head to the download page.
Thanks for the help so far.
Some how I have now bricked my phone or semi bricked should I say, I was flashing a old gingerbread back up from ics which worked but when I tried to restore my ics backup it failed. So I used CheckFUS downloader and got the latest fw for my device, put my phone into download mode and plugged into my pc, it come up as COM:4 in a yellow box but I got a odin fail, I can only boot into download mode. Any ideas ? im reinstalling kies now incase its a driver issue
Make sure kies is not running in the background. Use the original USB cable that came with the phone. Download the firmware again," might have been a bad download.
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I ended up flashing it using the laptop instead, fresh install of kies. Worked first time back to stock 2.3.6 now tho. Here we go again.
Thought the official ics for the i9100p would be released by now tho
Ics as been released by some network providers,(02 & H3G) over here. but nothing at all for I9100p yet.
Orange and 02 plan to release it here sometime this month but its a wait and see game.
Im on Omega ver 9 ICS at the moment. NFC is not supported, but not a great loss. When Orange finaly release ICS for the I9100p, I will try it and regain NFC.
Rooting and deletion of the Orange bloatware will follow that.
Its going to be released this Thursday.
Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-I9100P, with NFC
Product Code: GT-I9100LKNORA
Software Build: I9100PBVLPB/I9100PORALPB/I9100PBVLPB/I9P100BVLPB
PDA: I9100PBVLPB | CSC: I9100PORALPB | PHONE: I9100PBVLPB
Version: Android 4.0.3 Ice Cream Sandwich
Thanks for the heads up on that one Saull. Will try it when it comes out though the Omega ICS as been as stable as a rock. Hats off to them. Still it will be nice to have NFC enabled, even if I cant find any use for it yet.
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Heres one use
http://bcove.me/ohqchfd2
Dont open link above
edit: nvr mined
Shut up ANDROID you dont no what you are talking about.
Its a link to a news report from channel 4.
Stupid american
Saull said:
Shut up ANDROID you dont no what you are talking about.
Its a link to a news report from channel 4.
Stupid american
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No need to insult a general populace based on one person.
i dont know why when i opened it my browser closed, i tried it twice, so dont judge me, or any on else, i just opened it on IE and now i see
bored_stupid said:
Thanks for the heads up on that one Saull. Will try it when it comes out though the Omega ICS as been as stable as a rock. Hats off to them. Still it will be nice to have NFC enabled, even if I cant find any use for it yet.
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Here it is
Model: Samsung Galaxy S II GT-I9100P, with NFC
Country: United Kingdom
Carrier: Orange UK
Product Code: GT-I9100LKNORA
Latest firmware: I9100PBVLP6/I9100PORALP7/I9100PBVLP6/I9100PBVLP6
PDA: I9100PBVLP6
CSC: I9100PORALP7
Phone: I9100PBVLP6
Android Software Version: ICS 4.0.3 Ice Cream Sandwich
Build Date: 4/20/2012 10:09:50 PM
Release Date: April 26, 2012
Stock ROM Download (Pulled from official Samsung Kies server/Original/Unmodified): http://www.hotfile.com/dl/154228018/eacef35/I9100PBVLP6_I9100PORALP7_ORA.zip.html
Firmware Packaged Files:
I9100PBVLP6_I9100PORALP7_I9100PBVLP6_HOME.tar.md5
SS_DL.dll
Binary images contains of I9100PBVLP6_I9100PORALP7_I9100PBVLP6_HOME.tar.md5
Sbl.bin
cache.img
factoryfs.img
hidden.img
modem.bin
param.lfs
zImage
Pulled from aru.
Hi there! I hope someone can enlighten me. I've never been able to update my SII since I got it, now it's almost a year ago in Belgium (so I'm stuck with GB 2.3.3). KIES says I've got the latest firmware version, and I get the same thing via FOTA.
Now it seems as if ICS provides some battery saving, among some other features, so I'd like to update the firmware (at least for once!)
I would like to avoid rooting, flashing and so on... although it seems as that's the most practical way to follow
So, thanks a lot in advance to anyone who could help me
yo
I'm a mac user, btw.
Here's the device ifo, in case it helps:
PDA I9100XWKF3
PHONE I9100XXKE7
CSC I9100LUXKD3
Build Info: Thu Jun 9 18:16:44 KST 2011
Android version 2.3.3
Kernel [email protected] #2
GINGERBREAD.XWKF3
yogismo said:
Hi there! I hope someone can enlighten me. I've never been able to update my SII since I got it, now it's almost a year ago in Belgium (so I'm stuck with GB 2.3.3). KIES says I've got the latest firmware version, and I get the same thing via FOTA.
Now it seems as if ICS provides some battery saving, among some other features, so I'd like to update the firmware (at least for once!)
I would like to avoid rooting, flashing and so on... although it seems as that's the most practical way to follow
So, thanks a lot in advance to anyone who could help me
yo
I'm a mac user, btw.
Here's the device ifo, in case it helps:
PDA I9100XWKF3
PHONE I9100XXKE7
CSC I9100LUXKD3
Build Info: Thu Jun 9 18:16:44 KST 2011
Android version 2.3.3
Kernel [email protected] #2
GINGERBREAD.XWKF3
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check the link below it has all info regarding ICS ver region vise and also install instruction
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
your CSC is LUX, whic already recieved the ICS updated, donno wot happened in your case...
LUX = LUXEMBURG
ref: http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-international/523455-ics-csc-you-eligible-update.html
Sun90 said:
check the link below it has all info regarding ICS ver region vise and also install instruction
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
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Thanks pal, this is the kind of stuff I've been seeing around and would like to avoid!
ZACQ8 said:
your CSC is LUX, whic already recieved the ICS updated, donno wot happened in your case...
LUX = LUXEMBURG
That's my point exactly. The update is available already in the area but for some reason my device has not been able to update the firmware since I bought it (not even for later versions of GingerBread) :S
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yogismo said:
Hi there! I hope someone can enlighten me. I've never been able to update my SII since I got it, now it's almost a year ago in Belgium (so I'm stuck with GB 2.3.3). KIES says I've got the latest firmware version, and I get the same thing via FOTA.
Now it seems as if ICS provides some battery saving, among some other features, so I'd like to update the firmware (at least for once!)
I would like to avoid rooting, flashing and so on... although it seems as that's the most practical way to follow
So, thanks a lot in advance to anyone who could help me
yo
I'm a mac user, btw.
Here's the device ifo, in case it helps:
PDA I9100XWKF3
PHONE I9100XXKE7
CSC I9100LUXKD3
Build Info: Thu Jun 9 18:16:44 KST 2011
Android version 2.3.3
Kernel [email protected] #2
GINGERBREAD.XWKF3
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Go to www.sammobile.com download a stock firmware update and flash through odin. There's lots of guides on the site about flashing steps.
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Argh
kilometers4 said:
Go to sammobile download a stock firmware update and flash through odin. There's lots of guides on the site about flashing steps.
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OK, I've tried that and odin is not recognizing my phone... The firmware is there, I'm in download mode. I've switched usb ports... This is a bloody nightmare!
Last week I told a friend of ñine to try to update hers and she did it straight away through FOTA... and she had bought it only 6 months after me! What a bunch of wankers these Koreans!
friend of mine had the same problem with his s2, i found out his problem was caused by his phone being locked to a provider and because of this he had different kernel from me. he got update several months after me...
this because of provider's own extra apps on the phone...!
Just flash via Odin
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075278
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1544487
yogismo said:
OK, I've tried that and odin is not recognizing my phone... The firmware is there, I'm in download mode. I've switched usb ports... This is a bloody nightmare!
Last week I told a friend of ñine to try to update hers and she did it straight away through FOTA... and she had bought it only 6 months after me! What a bunch of wankers these Koreans!
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Make sure you have the drivers installed and Kies is closed before you open Odin
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Hi,
I have rooted my phone today (woop woop what a difference) and I'm looking now for non branded firmware ICS 4.0.4.
In Original Android Development group there is I9100XWLPM (4.0.4) - Russia (SER). Do you think it will work on my I9100XWLP7 (UK Three network)?
Thanks
Karl
Nah
My opinion? Stick with 4.0.3, the leaked 4.0.4 seems to have caused nothing but trouble.
kdelw said:
Hi,
I have rooted my phone today (woop woop what a difference) and I'm looking now for non branded firmware ICS 4.0.4.
In Original Android Development group there is I9100XWLPM (4.0.4) - Russia (SER). Do you think it will work on my I9100XWLP7 (UK Three network)?
Thanks
Karl
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Its personal choice if you want 4.0.4 have a look here http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&t=1&o=1&m=GT-I9100&r=1#regiona
Open Europe version (includes UK) is LQ5 from the latest release list about 4 down from the top, I have it on mine and it works fine, just downloaded it and flashed it over my rooted 4.0.3 version without performing any wipes of Dalvik or doing any factory resets.
Then rerooted with ICS - CF-Root v5.5:LQ5 from Chainfires thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399 post 8
I have not found any problems with version of 4.0.4
ag4751 said:
Its personal choice if you want 4.0.4 have a look here http://www.sammobile.com/firmware/?page=3&t=1&o=1&m=GT-I9100&r=1#regiona
Open Europe version (includes UK) is LQ5 from the latest release list about 4 down from the top, I have it on mine and it works fine, just downloaded it and flashed it over my rooted 4.0.3 version without performing any wipes of Dalvik or doing any factory resets.
Then rerooted with ICS - CF-Root v5.5:LQ5 from Chainfires thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399 post 8
I have not found any problems with version of 4.0.4
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You have been fortunate to avoid the circumstances where there is a possibility of hard bricking your phone. (which admittedly isn't too hard, but still)
FYI - see here.
ctomgee said:
You have been fortunate to avoid the circumstances where there is a possibility of hard bricking your phone. (which admittedly isn't too hard, but still)
FYI - see here.
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Thanks, just had a read of that, I flashed across on 4th July but I don't have stock kernel currently has the CF Root kernel (not bothered about the yellow triangle) but am going to chnage it ti Siyah Kernel when I get round to it, if I get any problems will let you know, but no laughing.
ag4751 said:
Thanks, just had a read of that, I flashed across on 4th July but I don't have stock kernel currently has the CF Root kernel (not bothered about the yellow triangle) but am going to chnage it ti Siyah Kernel when I get round to it, if I get any problems will let you know, but no laughing.
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Siyah isn't 100% working on that Rom. Bluetooth, Video playback, camera preview and connecting to USB isnt working with all other non Stock kernels.
Just to save you the trouble I have literally tested all the kernels today and none of them work correctly at the current moment
toxicdust said:
Siyah isn't 100% working on that Rom. Bluetooth, Video playback, camera preview and connecting to USB isnt working with all other non Stock kernels.
Just to save you the trouble I have literally tested all the kernels today and none of them work correctly at the current moment
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Just to let you know I tested all you mentioned above and they all work fine with the CF Root kernel, I suppose that is becasue it is based on stock version, thanks for the info on the Siyah kernel.
ag4751 said:
Just to let you know I tested all you mentioned above and they all work fine with the CF Root kernel, I suppose that is becasue it is based on stock version, thanks for the info on the Siyah kernel.
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Ye np m8
The Cf Root kernel still cause the bug though and you dont have CWM ... so It all works but you shill have the bug in it
I am just waiting for a working Kernel to release my Portal Rom 2.0 so I am on top of all the current issues
Any news on when 4.0.4 will be available via kies/air in the UK? Thanks
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kdelw said:
Hi,
I have rooted my phone today (woop woop what a difference) and I'm looking now for non branded firmware ICS 4.0.4.
In Original Android Development group there is I9100XWLPM (4.0.4) - Russia (SER). Do you think it will work on my I9100XWLP7 (UK Three network)?
Thanks
Karl
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If you flash XWLPM DON'T wipe data/factory reset, it can cause your phone to hard brick it can damage EMMC chip and only way to fix is a new board apparently!
I'd stick with XWLP7 from what I've heard there's no significant difference on LPM.
Only if you wipe via CWM mate, stock should be fine.
Odoslané z GT-I9100 cez Tapatalk 2
Is 4.0.3 the latest official android version for galaxy S2?
maybe,maybe not. It differs from country to country. But in most cases, yes.
There's a site where you can look it up, the status of official updates..but I'm not sure about xda's rules regarding links to other sites. So I'll let you try that out yourself
4.0.4 is latest and soon we will get 4.1.1.
Im on 4.0.3 and KIES says i have the latest version?
Because Kies checkes latest firmware for your CSC.
Visit http://sammobile.com/firmware and choose FW for your own.
Like I said, its probably the latest version for your country (or carrier). 4.0.4 is the latest official firmware, but its not released worldwide and for every operator, in the case of operator branded phones.
Im currently in Germany, it seems that there is no official 4.0.4 update here yet...
Depending how quick the Jelly Bean update arrives, I expect some countries may skip to this instead of having 4.04
Im not in the hurry i bought this phone 4 days ago and i dont want to mess something up, i rather w8 for official updates...
I hear 4.0.4 is pretty buggy. I was looking forward to this update and now I'm thinking, even if it comes to Canada, I may not apply it. Instead wait for 4.1. But I'm reeeeaaally thinking about rooting it now and end this waiting!
fgoyti said:
I hear 4.0.4 is pretty buggy. I was looking forward to this update and now I'm thinking, even if it comes to Canada, I may not apply it. Instead wait for 4.1. But I'm reeeeaaally thinking about rooting it now and end this waiting!
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4.0.4 kernel may have brick bug on its kernel but it's no way buggy.
In fact, 4.0.4 is the most stable and smoothest Stock ICS version to date
4.0.4 is alot Smoother...
Anyways You can install any another Country's Rom but if you are not aware of what you are Doing. And not aware of Superbrick Bug..
Then i Recommend you to not to Try that..
But if You Still Want to Install Then do a lil research about Superbrick bug 4.0.4 before flashing..
Thanks
Please Hit Thanks || It won't Cost You
Sent from S II || Running Official ICS 4.0.4 with Siyah 4.1
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fgoyti said:
I hear 4.0.4 is pretty buggy. I was looking forward to this update and now I'm thinking, even if it comes to Canada, I may not apply it. Instead wait for 4.1. But I'm reeeeaaally thinking about rooting it now and end this waiting!
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If you Really Wanna root this then try this..
Just Download This File
If you don't have CWM then Save it in external SD Card
Reboot to Recovery using Power + Vol Up + Home..
For Stock Recovery
Select install update from external storage.
Select the file and Click on Yes.
You Can also Download CWM Recovery from ClockworkMod.com
Voilllaa You have Successfully Rooted your Device..
If You follow my Steps Your phone Won't Get bricked..
And i am not Responsible for any Damage. Use it at your own Risk.
Happy Flashing..
Note:For ICS onlu
Please Hit Thanks || It won't Cost You
Sent from S II || Running Official ICS 4.0.4 with Siyah 4.1
I rooted my phone using cwm recovery and flashing su installer and then flasing siyah kernel, now i want unroot and get rid of siyah kernel, any help .
Baseband version: i9100xxlq6
Kernel version: 3.0.15-siyah-s2-v4.1.5+ [email protected])) #49 smp PREEMPT Tue Sep 11 12:21:30 PDT 2012
Build no :IMM76D.XWLPT
starkiller95 said:
I rooted my phone using cwm recovery and flashing su installer and then flasing siyah kernel, now i want unroot and get rid of siyah kernel, any help .
Baseband version: i9100xxlq6
Kernel version: 3.0.15-siyah-s2-v4.1.5+ [email protected])) #49 smp PREEMPT Tue Sep 11 12:21:30 PDT 2012
Build no :IMM76D.XWLPT
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Flash stock firmware via odin. Will remove siyah and unroot your phone. Ensure you download 4.0.3 not 4.0.4 since LQ6 has the emmc brickbug.
HAXTREME said:
Flash stock firmware via odin. Will remove siyah and unroot your phone. Ensure you download 4.0.3 not 4.0.4 since LQ6 has the emmc brickbug.
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Could you possibly have a link for 4.03 ?
http://sammobile.com/firmware
I got a 4.0.3 stock firmware XXLPQ. but now the 4.0.3 wont upgrade to 4.0.4
Any particular reason you want to upgrade to 4.0.4?
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Battery percentage i generally like the appearence mostly minor details of .0.4 , also its not about 4.0.4 as much as im worrying i wont be able to get the official jb update via the update option in the settings
starkiller95 said:
Battery percentage i generally like the appearence mostly minor details of .0.4 , also its not about 4.0.4 as much as im worrying i wont be able to get the official jb update via the update option in the settings
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Maybe its one of those firmwares that never got an upgrade to 4.0.4? Some will make the jump directly to 4.1. All assumption, I'm not too familiar with stock. If its official 4.1 you're worried about, you can always get it off samfirmware when an update for the i9100 is released.
Also, if all you were looking for is the stock 4.0.4 UI experience, you could always have had a 4.0.4 sammy rom. Wasn't necessary to unroot et al.
No i unrooted because phone was hanging too much ,and downgraded from 4.0.4 to 4.0.3 so if i want an upgrade back to 4.0.4 ill have to download a stock firmware of 4.0.4 from sammyfirmware and then connect it to odin again and change its firmware again ?
Odd..siyah has never given me any trouble. Phone hangs are anyways usually coz of the rom rather than kernel. But thats OT.
You could do that, yeah. Just be careful not to ever mess around with your phone if you decide to use a firmware that has the emmc bug. For a list of those, refer a sticky in the general section. To be safe..just stay away from stock 4.0.4. Its what I'd do. Rather live with the 4.0.3 UI elements till 4.1 releases than risk rendering a phone completely useless.
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HAXTREME said:
Odd..siyah has never given me any trouble. Phone hangs are anyways usually coz of the rom rather than kernel. But thats OT.
You could do that, yeah. Just be careful not to ever mess around with your phone if you decide to use a firmware that has the emmc bug. For a list of those, refer a sticky in the general section. To be safe..just stay away from stock 4.0.4. Its what I'd do. Rather live with the 4.0.3 UI elements till 4.1 releases than risk rendering a phone completely useless.
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Thats a good idea