Anyone,
I've run into an oddity that I'm hoping someone could help explain. First, I'm running Cyanogen Mod 6 (update-cm-6.1.2-0.11-Milestone-signed.zip) on my HTC Aria. I've been running CM6 since last December.
A couple of weeks ago, my gmail account quit syncing and I stopped receiving text messages. Over the course of the last 2 weeks, I've gotten it working on and off. What finally got it working was to address the other informational message I was getting (running out of memory on my phone).
I was down to < 10% of the phone's main memory remaining. I found out that if I rebooted and cleared the cache, it would work again until the cache grew and brought available storage on the phone (I have an 8G SD card in it) to under 10% left.
Any app that I can move to the SD card has been moved to the SD card but it appears those apps still have some amount of data that they store on the phone? This AM, I finally removed some apps completely that were nice but not necessary for me to have on the phone and I haven't had a problem.
So, does anyone know if this is a known issue? Or, just a coincidence that text messages and emails stop when running low on memory.
Thanks.
++Rob
rharveland said:
Anyone,
I've run into an oddity that I'm hoping someone could help explain. First, I'm running Cyanogen Mod 6 (update-cm-6.1.2-0.11-Milestone-signed.zip) on my HTC Aria. I've been running CM6 since last December.
A couple of weeks ago, my gmail account quit syncing and I stopped receiving text messages. Over the course of the last 2 weeks, I've gotten it working on and off. What finally got it working was to address the other informational message I was getting (running out of memory on my phone).
I was down to < 10% of the phone's main memory remaining. I found out that if I rebooted and cleared the cache, it would work again until the cache grew and brought available storage on the phone (I have an 8G SD card in it) to under 10% left.
Any app that I can move to the SD card has been moved to the SD card but it appears those apps still have some amount of data that they store on the phone? This AM, I finally removed some apps completely that were nice but not necessary for me to have on the phone and I haven't had a problem.
So, does anyone know if this is a known issue? Or, just a coincidence that text messages and emails stop when running low on memory.
Thanks.
++Rob
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First off, Why are you using the milestone Cyanogenmod6?
use this : http://download.cyanogenmod.com/get/update-cm-6.1.1-Liberty.zip
Clear dialer storage.SMS mms dialer all use the same storage.clear that up and you're good.
Sent from my Liberty using XDA App
Thanks for the info.
I was actually on that one (still have that zip on my sd card) but, when it started to not receive txt messages nor gmail, I went looking for something newer than what I had installed to see if there was a different version of Cyanogen that would work better. I tried CM7, a liberated Froyo, and the official Android 2.2 from AT&T (so I had to search through the forums to find out how to re-root my phone). I think I just ended up on the Milestone build (and since it was a CM6 like I had been using since Dec, I just quit trying new versions).
I just put the 6.1.1-Liberty back on. It had 24MB of internal stoarge left (out of 185MB). I moved a 15MB app from my SD card to my phone to get the available memory down below 10%, giving me the message about being low on memory. I sent a txt msg to my wife and she responded but, the response has not come through after waiting 5 min (while mine got to her phone in a few seconds).
Could there be an undocumented feature to prevent emails and txt messages when there's not much free space on the device? I cannot move Messaging nor Gmail to my storage card so I can see why someone might put a limit on that to avoid filling up the phone storage. Does anyone know if this feature is customizable so I can make it go to 5% before ignoring email and text messages?
I'll make sure to stay on top of those warning messages and make sure my next phone has more internal memory.
++Rob
Yes, I have heard of not being able to receive text messages when you are too low on internal storage. I don't know why it happens, but in general Android does not handle low memory situations very well and things just stop working properly.
Unfortuntely the Aria has very little internal storage, so it's difficult to avoid this problem. The best thing you can do is to start taking advantage of one of the various apps2sd methods (not the built-in Android one). There are basically two of particular interest:
Darktremor - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790786
This method should work with CM6, but is more complicated to set up. Once you have it set up, though, you don't have to change anything and can just let it work its magic.
Simple2Ext (S2E) - https://market.android.com/details?id=ru.krikun.s2e
This method only works on CM7, but is very easy to set up.
You mentioned that you already tried CM7. Did you try CM 7.1.0 RC1? I've been really happy with this build for the past month and would recommend it. Of course the added benefit is being able to use S2E.
I've had this issue before. If you're receiving the 'low storage' message, you'll stop receiving emails, texts, and even app updates begin to fail.
Just gotta clear up some space.
Yup, had the same but in my case the GTalk wouldn't start up. Def having low internal memory kills the phone without a good reason, specially because it's a percent rather than a hard number...
Do use a App2SD app that enables you to move the dalvik cache to the SD and you'll see a lot of space cleared. I recommend darktremor + the GUI (available the latter in the market)
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The following thread has some good info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770146 ... more specifically ... this page that is linked from that thread.
One thing that I've done that I haven't seen mentioned is replacing the google apps (Gmail, Googlevoice, Maps, Market, Street...) in system/apps with the updated versions. Keeps the updates from stealing internal storage. As a heads up, the market app is the "Vending.apk" for those that did not know. I actually replace the apps in the rom I'm using (Liberated2.2.2) and reinstall that. Not including google apps I have 51 apps installed, 13 on the phone, 38 on the card and right now I have close to 116 MB internal storage available. I have a feeling that the 51 apps that I think is a lot is a drop in the bucket for some.
I recently started getting a low space warning that I can't get rid of, despite having moved all possible (i.e. non-system, non-widget) apps to SD via built in app2sd. I know the right solution is s2e, I just didn't want to format my card because it took me forever to get all my music copied onto it in the first place. Well SD cards are cheap, I ordered a bigger one, and I'll format it for s2e and all will be well again.
But in the meantime, I noticed that I stopped getting "green" connection status, and was no longer receiving GMail or Talk notifications. After a restart, I got a good connection again, until the low space warning reappeared, at which point the connection went white again.
So what's up with that? Is it by design that when low on space, the phone won't connect to Google anymore? If so that seems pretty silly, considering there's still 20 mb available.
You've basically answered your own question, but yes, Android is notoriously bad at handling low memory situations. You simply must maintain a certain amount of free space or things will inexplicably stop working correctly. My recommendation to you is to delete an app or two that you rarely use to free up some space until you get the new SD card set up.
I actually posted a reply in another device's forum as I didn't properly read where the similar thread was.
I keep getting notifications that my text message memory is full from both the standard Android messaging app and GO SMS (that I predominately use). I know for a fact that I'm not recieving messages because I should get Twitter mention notifications via text message and instead I get said text message memory full notification.
One factor that could influence it is that I have onl 165mb of internal storage free, so could there be some sort of threshold storage limit? Surely message capacity should be near infinite- maybe store message on the SD card?
Is there a way of increasing phone storage other than uninstalling/moving apps? I ask this because moving/uninstalling doesn't seem to have had much a big effect so perhaps there is a large cache folder on the phone storage that can be emptied?
Thanks in advance and I shall update if increasing internal phone storage sorts out the problem so anyone else that has this problem knows what to do!
Today I (supposedly) disabled lowmemorykiller by putting zero in minfree and adj files. I already have swap partition set up (size 1 GB) in a class 10 SDHC card.
Then I proceeded to open all the apps that I have installed and set them in a different state from default (like opening its settings, opening a file in case of officesuite etc).
These things happened:
1. After a max limit, older apps started to vanish from task manager to make space for newer apps
2. used swap space did not exceed 122 MB
3. when I tried to return to very old apps, some of them retained their last state giving an illusion of multitasking but a text message I was typing disappeared, did not even get saved as draft. ALL web browsers were killed. Some reloaded pages from internet, Opera Mini and Easy Browser failed to save last state (they always fail, so does Adobe Reader) so they were back to home screen with all opened tabs lost.
4. After an incoming call, when I returned to all the apps a second time, I found that all but the lightest of apps had lost their last states.
After setting minfree to zero and enabling swap with 60 swappiness Android is still killing apps without my permission.
<rant> I usually have less than 10 apps open and some of them can be memory intensive. Multitasking is better than default now, but still kinda random. I can't ever be sure that if I open this document now, I won't find my previous 20 minutes of research session lost upon returning to browser (history is messy for retrieving long sessions and very short in case of Opera Mini. Even Chrome browser sometimes crashes and gets reset not to mention always reloading all pages while Android Browser in ICS only renders crashes. My data limit is 3 GB/month). The three major handheld OS right now are Android, iOS, WM7 so don't tell me to stop whining and change OS; there is nowhere to go. At least Android is open source and there is a chance of someone legally implementing proper (like in PC) multitasking in it except multiple instances of same app which will probably be a little too much to ask for from a community but seeing that browsing the web is my main concern and all browsers already support multiple tabs, it will not be a deal-breaker for me</rant>
So my question is, how do I stop this T1000 Ninja Edition? Throw it into the chasm of Mount Doom?
On a serious note, any help will be appreciated. If you can't solve it but know what is killing my app sessions, please explain that.
SO I have come to the conclusion that ICS's maximum limit of Background apps is 18. As long as the app is not older than 19, it should be visible in task manager and should be in memory. I have set swappiness to 100 and use of swap memory increased to 221220. I'll put further pressure on it to see how it behaves when lots of tabs are open but I am afraid that 100 swappiness will make the device crash if too many tabs are open. It has already started to suddenly reboot time to time.
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It does not work that way. Android seems to really have its own will in this matter. There is no rule found by me so far that can predict when an app will be unloaded from memory. It seems time plays a role too.
At least iOS and WP7 clearly state that they do not support multitask. Google is the worst of all.
Edit:
Chrome Browser is not loading the pages from internet upon being recalled from task manager. It is loading the pages from swap but looks just like loading over 3G. Any changes in the actual pages are not being reflected until I manually hit reload. Not sure if other browsers will follow suit.
Has anyone had issues with the SkyDrive app crashing (and practically burning) on the ReZound?
I have some large videos (600+ MB for some) and when I attempt to upload them to my SkyDrive account via their app, after about 40 MB or so, my system ui completely crashes!
It strips my custom wallpaper.
It shows I have no data connection.
It next shows I have no signal.
It shows my battery is completely dead
Finally the entire system is totally unresponsive
Serious heating issues
The taskbar dropdown does'nt work
All of this, while still receiving email and messaging, and seeming to continue to upload the video, indicating that my data is still very much connected, and with signal.
I have unlimited data (trust me I used nearly 21 GB last month) and plenty of space on the account. I have used Dropbox and Sugarsync for the same videos with no problems. I realize that some of the unresponsiveness could be due to system memory being completely eaten up by this app, (another poor coding scenario) and the heating is likely the amount of bandwidth being used.
I'd really enjoy some feedback on this.
Stock ReZound w/unlocked bootloader