There's been talk about adjusting the gamma levels to increase the black level and get rid of the washed out look. After looking at this chart, what will we be able to make the black's blacker without creating the "crushed" effect I get on my Note??
The attachment is only the test image, not a pic of my screen
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I was just searching for a gamma adjustment tool for my nexus 10. I could you point me towards any discussions or hacks you know of please?
Thanks.
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I was just searching for a gamma adjustment tool for my nexus 10. I could you point me towards any discussions or hacks you know of please?
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Discussions have been in the original Dev forum in the kernel thread. No luck so far and doubt there will be
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I was just searching for a gamma adjustment tool for my nexus 10. I could you point me towards any discussions or hacks you know of please?
Thanks.
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There is none...doubt there will be either.
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Discussions have been in the original Dev forum in the kernel thread. No luck so far and doubt there will be
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There is none...doubt there will be either.
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Why do you guys think there won't ever be one? That truly disappoints me.
They're skeptics. I think more than a couple devs will find a way to improve this display. It may take a while for this tablet to become popular enough.
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They're skeptics. I think more than a couple devs will find a way to improve this display. It may take a while for this tablet to become popular enough.
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We are not skeptics...its based on facts. We have some awesome devs who have looked at the kernal and have stated we more than likely won't have adjustments.
Google could add it to the kernel as an update. That is, if they felt it was necessary. They modified the gamma and grayscale of my nexus one through stock updates. On the galaxy nexus, google didn't do a thing, even though the issues were well documented. Hopefully google addresses this. Its true that so far nobody has been able to access the gamma lookup table. Maybe some of these features can be ported, or maybe these will be added to the kernel as the new exynos chip is in more devices.
Damn being an early adopter. I know for my next tablet I won't make any concessions on the display again. I just saw the kobo arc reader, and its screen was flawless. See it to believe it. And its less than $199 for the 7inch, plus a $20 gift card. Google just rocked all their loyal users by allowing a display with rather mediocre image quality (with the exception of viewing angle) to be put into a premium tablet. It is objectively the worst display out of all the $400 plus tablets. They go bananas on the processor, and drop the ball on the screen. Its obvious this tablet is for developer, not consumer use. Guess I shouldn't have assumed that google would adhere to industry standards as a reference for image quality.
Google should have used the Asus infinity screen. Lower res, but MUCH better in gamma and color.
The Acer a700 has an even nicer screen than the infinity. They should have used that.
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Google should have used the Asus infinity screen. Lower res, but MUCH better in gamma and color.
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no no no
never lower res for me
i love the res and the pixel density on my N10
as for the gamma the gamma line isnt equal
i have just checked and the N10 has a slight higher gamma at lower shades (around 1.8)
and that is not to bad.
as for the higher shades it is around gamma 1.6 and thats worse
so even if we can adjust the gamma we need a tool to get the gamma line equal/straight at 2.2
if we just raise the gamma now the blacks are going to crush with a to high gamma while the whites are going to be correct.
but of course we can get closer to gamma 2.2
we can get gamma 2.2 for the lower shades and around 1.9 to 2.0 for the brighter ones.
that would be just perfect
Edit: as for the colors and colors brightness the N10 is close to reference.
all colors RED/GREEN/BLUE has equal brightness.
that is with this low gamma in count.
also the contrast and blacklevel/whitelevel is close to reference.
the color temp is also close to 6500K and that means that the grayscale is correct (white is white on the N10)
so the ONLY thing that messes up this display from showing a reference picture is the low gamma.
to bad that samsung screwed that one up
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source on that?
i dont belive you
I still don't get it, if it isn't at the kernel level how the hell did Google and Samsung calibrate this display? Why is it that we can't tweak it no matter what we do?
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no no no
never lower res for me
i love the res and the pixel density on my N10
source on that?
i dont belive you
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Anything higher than full HD on a screen this size is a waste. And you want a source? Check the Dev section.
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Anything higher than full HD on a screen this size is a waste.
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its not trust me
do you own a N10 or are you just talking?
The biggest problem I have is this thing can't show purple at all because of the screwed up gamma.
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its not trust me
do you own a N10 or are you just talking?
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i own both. display on infinity looks better.
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i own both. display on infinity looks better.
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i still dont belive you.
the screen on the N10 rocks even with its low gamma
you must have a bad device..just change it and use your infinity as a beer mat
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i still dont belive you.
the screen on the N10 rocks even with its low gamma
you must have a bad device..just change it and use your infinity as a beer mat
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really? WTF? its known the screen on the n10 doesnt have as nice color and gamma as the infinity. the n10 kicks its a$$ in every other way though.
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i still dont belive you.
the screen on the N10 rocks even with its low gamma
you must have a bad device..just change it and use your infinity as a beer mat
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Wtf dude, go die in a hole. Asus Infinity screen is way more punchy than the Nexus 10. You are an idiot, go to the nearest Walmart and look at the damn display on the infinity. A higher screen resolution does not amount to better colors.
You might be saying those words and doubting others if they have a Nexus 10 by justifying your purchase, but its true that the Infinity, heck, even the TF201 has better colors on them. Be objective dude, screen res is not screen color.
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Wtf dude, go die in a hole. Asus Infinity screen is way more punchy than the Nexus 10. You are an idiot, go to the nearest Walmart and look at the damn display on the infinity. A higher screen resolution does not amount to better colors.
You might be saying those words and doubting others if they have a Nexus 10 by justifying your purchase, but its true that the Infinity, heck, even the TF201 has better colors on them. Be objective dude, screen res is not screen color.
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lol...thank you
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Any know the dpi of the touchpads screen? cant get info on it anywhere
1024x768 over 9.7 inches comes out to 131.96 DPI.
Sounds rather odd....
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Sounds rather odd....
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Not really, its the EXACT screen dimensions as the iPad(2). Its a 4:3 1024x768 9.7" screen.
http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
looks like 131 is correct.
*oh, and why the hell is this stickied... all these threads should be linked to in a 'read first sticky' thread... this is obscene how many god damn stickies there are... Whatever mod is doing this is going overboard.
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Not really, its the EXACT screen dimensions as the iPad(2). Its a 4:3 1024x768 9.7" screen.
http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
looks like 131 is correct.
*oh, and why the hell is this stickied... all these threads should be linked to in a 'read first sticky' thread... this is obscene how many god damn stickies there are... Whatever mod is doing this is going overboard.
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What I ment was 131 Seems rather and odd DPI that is all. Im used to dealing with rounded of numbers like 160 & 240.
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What I ment was 131 Seems rather and odd DPI that is all. Im used to dealing with rounded of numbers like 160 & 240.
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It's the same screen as the ipad. Same manufacturer as well (LG). All intensive purposes, it is the same screen.
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It's the same screen as the ipad. Same manufacturer as well (LG). All intensive purposes, it is the same screen.
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Damn, I promise I am not usually like this, but I have to do this:
"for all intents and purposes"
Its way dimmer than an ipad though...hopefully someone finds a way to make this thing brighter
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I think the idea is to coral all the posts into a manageable order for later redistribution.
just like the fire sale , this could get ugly and disorganized fast.
I thank the mods for taking whatever steps to prepare/maintain.
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Its way dimmer than an ipad though...hopefully someone finds a way to make this thing brighter
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Brightless slider in the top-right menu. Or were you referring to it on full brightness (I don't have an iPad to compare to)?
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Brightless slider in the top-right menu. Or were you referring to it on full brightness (I don't have an iPad to compare to)?
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So your telling me if the screen breaks, Just replace with an iPad screen+digitizer? Or am I clutching at parts?
if the screen is similar to the ipad, why does it seem so low quality?
I was on my new one all night, and I cant get over the poor quality of display.
I was just browsing, blogging and it just looks so bad compared to my work ipad or the playbook I'm currently demo'ing.
could it be the browser, websites, or is there a patch I need? Really making me question my purchase.
I think people are confusing DPI with PPI. PPI is pixels per inch, which is the 131 being tossed out. DPI is how the screen is seen by software. Dont know what it is for the touchpad, but figured I'd try and clear some confusion.
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Lmao u paid $99-150 for it...y complain?
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Wow, thanks for such a useful reply.
To everyone else, is this just how the display is going to look? Or will an Android port or additional webOs updates provide some help?
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Well milhouse I was just stating that u paid $100 lmao. The display looks crisp and sharp
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No, if you put the TP side by side with the iPad 2 (hell, with the original iPad), you can notice a BIG difference in the display quality. I think that is the way the software handles the screen. Colors do look WAY sharper and crisper on the ipad vs the TP.
Its the exact same lg screen from the ipad 2, hell you could take the ipad 2 screen out and put it in the touchpad.. android port may fix it if not we'll see some voodoo colors.
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Its the exact same lg screen from the ipad 2, hell you could take the ipad 2 screen out and put it in the touchpad.. android port may fix it if not we'll see some voodoo colors.
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I did some lookin:
TP and iPad 1 use LP097X02-SLA1
iPad 2 uses LP097X02-SLN1
Don't know what the differences are. I don't know why the touchpad screen isn't as bright as the ipad either. (Perhaps the touchpad software simply doesn't allow it to go that high? Perhaps in that case, an android release could? Though I've heard many complain that the ipad is blindingly bright.)
Interestingly enough, samsung is coming out with a 10.1" retina touch display. Will apple get their hands on it? Probably not, actually:
http://www.tipb.com/2011/05/13/sams...olution-display-paving-retina-display-ipad-3/
I think there must be differences between displays. I've found mine to be very bright. I leave the brightness slider around 30% and find that's very bright, even a bit too bright when using in a darkened room.
I find the colours aren't particularly vibrant in general use, but the they are in the Angry Birds loading screen, so I'd guess that there's some kind of tone down colour profile set in the OS somewhere.
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So your telling me if the screen breaks, Just replace with an iPad screen+digitizer? Or am I clutching at parts?
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not exactly I'd think. While they use the same screen, they don't use the same bezel dimensions IIRC. Bezel is part of the screen, so buying the slightly different iPad one wouldn't work I don't think.
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I think there must be differences between displays. I've found mine to be very bright. I leave the brightness slider around 30% and find that's very bright, even a bit too bright when using in a darkened room.
I find the colours aren't particularly vibrant in general use, but the they are in the Angry Birds loading screen, so I'd guess that there's some kind of tone down colour profile set in the OS somewhere.
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turn off auto dimming in screen and lock setting give much brighter display.
Is awesome!!! Never had an HD screen before and boy is it cool! I try to look very close, but can barely see the pixels. The colors are also very amazing.
Now the question is can we use a app like voodoo screen tuner and make it even better =p lol
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Did it come with the cool sample HD video that shows off the screen like the Intl. has?
As much as I love the high resolution--it is AMAZING for small text--I am more bothered by the PenTile layout than I expected from reviews. I don't know about other people or how close they hold the phone to their eyes, but I can see the hatching pretty clearly in normal use on a white background. I mean, it's not HORRIBLE, but it makes the whites feel a lot less white than they do on the RGB AMOLED screens I've used. I think I need a Tab 7.7 so I can have the resolution without the PenTile tradeoffs. -_-
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As much as I love the high resolution--it is AMAZING for small text--I am more bothered by the PenTile layout than I expected from reviews. I don't know about other people or how close they hold the phone to their eyes, but I can see the hatching pretty clearly in normal use on a white background. I mean, it's not HORRIBLE, but it makes the whites feel a lot less white than they do on the RGB AMOLED screens I've used. I think I need a Tab 7.7 so I can have the resolution without the PenTile tradeoffs. -_-
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I read a review, can't remember which one, that was saying at full brightness the whites were incredibly white and at lower brightness settings it turned bluer. Is that true? Are you at full brightness?
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As much as I love the high resolution--it is AMAZING for small text--I am more bothered by the PenTile layout than I expected from reviews. I don't know about other people or how close they hold the phone to their eyes, but I can see the hatching pretty clearly in normal use on a white background. I mean, it's not HORRIBLE, but it makes the whites feel a lot less white than they do on the RGB AMOLED screens I've used. I think I need a Tab 7.7 so I can have the resolution without the PenTile tradeoffs. -_-
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What do you mean by hatching?
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I read a review, can't remember which one, that was saying at full brightness the whites were incredibly white and at lower brightness settings it turned bluer. Is that true? Are you at full brightness?
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It's not a matter of color reproduction; it's the physical subpixels that look a bit off. It's a subtle diagonal hatching pattern that is visible regardless of brightness. It's not horribly obvious at normal distances but I can see it. Honestly it isn't that much worse than being able to see the square pattern around individual pixels on my GS2--I was just hoping at this resolution/pixel density I wouldn't be able to see it at all.
Color reproduction isn't too bad. It's slightly different from my GS2 but I am not that picky about it, since I don't do serious photography or other art. AMOLED screens all have oversaturated colors anyway.
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What do you mean by hatching?
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It's sort of like there is an overlay of tiny black dots in a diagonal pattern. As I mention above it isn't obvious especially at more than a foot or so away, but it is visible.
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As much as I love the high resolution--it is AMAZING for small text--I am more bothered by the PenTile layout than I expected from reviews. I don't know about other people or how close they hold the phone to their eyes, but I can see the hatching pretty clearly in normal use on a white background. I mean, it's not HORRIBLE, but it makes the whites feel a lot less white than they do on the RGB AMOLED screens I've used. I think I need a Tab 7.7 so I can have the resolution without the PenTile tradeoffs. -_-
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The screen looks fine to me. People freak out when they find out a screen is Pentile, but this isn't a Motorola pentile screen we're looking at. I'm assuming that there's a technical limitation/challenge with making Super Amoled Plus displays bigger than 4.3" or I'm sure Sammy would be using them in all of their phones. Personally, I'm enjoying the higher resolution. Can you imagine a screen this size at 800X480? It would be worse than the HTC Titan.
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The screen looks fine to me. People freak out when they find out a screen is Pentile, but this isn't a Motorola pentile screen we're looking at. I'm assuming that there's a technical limitation/challenge with making Super Amoled Plus displays bigger than 4.3" or I'm sure Sammy would be using them in all of their phones. Personally, I'm enjoying the higher resolution. Can you imagine a screen this size at 800X480? It would be worse than the HTC Titan.
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I hope it doesn't seem like I'm freaking out.
I'm saying this having used the phone a bit; I have it sitting right here. No argument here, it is way better than the PenTile on the RAZR or any other Moto phone I've used. And yes, I'm pretty sure you're right about the technical limitations preventing proper RGB layouts for this resolution/size, probably something to do with how small they can physically make subpixels, since it is clearly possible to have a 1280x800 Super AMOLED+ display in a 7.7" form factor. I ALSO agree that a screen this large would be awful at 800x480, and I definitely prefer the PenTile 1280x800 over RGB 800x480 at this size. I am definitely NOT saying the screen is bad, but I am disappointed because it isn't as good as I hoped it would be.
So we mostly agree. I am just more irritable I guess.
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Is awesome!!! Never had an HD screen before and boy is it cool! I try to look very close, but can barely see the pixels. The colors are also very amazing.
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I had a Skyrocket before this and the difference is stunning. My wife has an ip4s and says she can't stop staring at it over my shoulder because it looks so good.
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The Note suffers when playing dark backgrounds in videos. I hope supercurio will release his fix soon. Also any ATT Note users finding black splotches on their screen when enabling a completely black background and in a dark room, look closely. Tell me!
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The Note suffers when playing dark backgrounds in videos. I hope supercurio will release his fix soon. Also any ATT Note users finding black splotches on their screen when enabling a completely black background and in a dark room, look closely. Tell me!
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Yes watching netflix in the dark with dark scenes looks terrible. So is there a fix for this?
Just tried looking at my iPhone 4 and it looks like all the color has been sucked out....this really is a great screen!
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Yes watching netflix in the dark with dark scenes looks terrible. So is there a fix for this?
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On International Notes it's been reported that ICS fixes this, if you could flash an ICS build then you're good to go, but until then wait for Supercurio's fix.
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On International Notes it's been reported that ICS fixes this, if you could flash an ICS build then you're good to go, but until then wait for Supercurio's fix.
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Where is the post that says ICS fixed this?
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How does the screen work in direct sunlight? I am not wanting to watch a movie, but need it when working outside to read e-mail and use the phone. On my current HTC Tilt 2 I have to find shade to see anything on my screen. I have read that the Super Amoled+ screens are better. I am hoping this will work where I do not have to put on my reading glasses.
One thing is for sure, the screen definitely is an attention grabber. All of my co-workers were amazed and how sharp and clear the screen was.
This screen definitely suffers with some flash videos and dark backgrounds. I can see like lines flashing, doesnt look good at all and thats a turn off because I wanted to watch alot of videos on this. You guys can try it out and see if you see what I see. Go to veetle.com, scrolling down to any movies channel and select it, and make it full screen.....
Skyrocket does it too
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This screen definitely suffers with some flash videos and dark backgrounds. I can see like lines flashing, doesnt look good at all and thats a turn off because I wanted to watch alot of videos on this. You guys can try it out and see if you see what I see. Go to veetle.com, scrolling down to any movies channel and select it, and make it full screen.....
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The screen is beautiful period. Better than my infuse or skyrocket.
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I just wanted to get everyone's opnion on the state of development of color calibration on the N10. I bought one of these tablets not too long ago, and while the imperfect color doesn't terribly annoy me, I'd still prefer if there were a solution. I'm currently running AOKP on the KTManta kernel, the latter which claimed to adjust the colors to a degree, but colors are still noticeably imperfect. In comparison to another family member's iPad 3, it's especially bad.
I know there was some discussion before regarding this, but there doesn't seem to be a solution as of right now. If there's a solution that's been found that I'm not aware of, especially one that's robust as the one found in the color control of the Galaxy Nexus, please let us know, as information about this is few and far between. Blues in particular seem especially bad.
To the best of my knowledge no one has crack the color control issue on the N10. As you point out the most documented progress is with the experimental KTManta kernel. Are you sure you are running the experimental version of KTManta? You have to dig in that thread to get the download URL. I have not tried the experimental version myself.
The last I read was that improvements have been made but the ??blues?? were still way off. That comment came from someone who had the proper test equipment which is used to calibrate HDTVs.
Why manufacturers do not either include a calibration app (RBG, gamma control) or documentation how it can be programmed I do not know. It is frustrating, feeling that with a little tweaking, the screen could be better especially during very dark scenes.
Pretty sure all the latest releases still have the color tweaks in them, but ill ask Ktoonsez today to make sure.
All that is done right now is a few minor tweaks to a couple values, which is all that can be found to do. The full color control code is not in the source at all. That means either someone needs to dig really deep and hopefully find something we can use, or port the entire section of code over from another device that has a similar chipset, which there currently isnt one.
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Pretty sure all the latest releases still have the color tweaks in them, but ill ask Ktoonsez today to make sure.
All that is done right now is a few minor tweaks to a couple values, which is all that can be found to do. The full color control code is not in the source at all. That means either someone needs to dig really deep and hopefully find something we can use, or port the entire section of code over from another device that has a similar chipset, which there currently isnt one.
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I thought there was a Chromebook with the same SoC?
Personally, unless I am doing a side by side comparison with my wife's Ipad4 or looking for problems I don't notice any gamma issues. I notice that when I sit down and just enjoy it, it's actually pretty easy to do. I love my Nexus 10.
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I thought there was a Chromebook with the same SoC?
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Actually your right there is a chromebook thqat uses this chipset. I am sure a dev has already at least casually looked through its source. If anyone else wants to look, the Samsung Chromebook is supposed to use this source tree:
http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=c...now-2695.B;hb=refs/heads/firmware-snow-2695.B
source for finding that git tree is:
http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os...-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-arm-chromebook
This device uses Das U-Boot to boot the system. You can find the source in the ChromiumOS u-boot git tree. The system actually boots two different versions. The RO SPI flash uses u-boot from the firmware-snow-2695.B branch. The read-write firmware comes from the latest chromeos-v####.## branch (the version number tracks the respective upstream u-boot release).
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Looking forward to this if its possible, the whites on my nexus 10 look yellow
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To the best of my knowledge no one has crack the color control issue on the N10. As you point out the most documented progress is with the experimental KTManta kernel. Are you sure you are running the experimental version of KTManta? You have to dig in that thread to get the download URL. I have not tried the experimental version myself.
The last I read was that improvements have been made but the ??blues?? were still way off. That comment came from someone who had the proper test equipment which is used to calibrate HDTVs.
Why manufacturers do not either include a calibration app (RBG, gamma control) or documentation how it can be programmed I do not know. It is frustrating, feeling that with a little tweaking, the screen could be better especially during very dark scenes.
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Like someone above mentioned, I believe the latest official release of the kernel comes with the color tweaks baked in.
I've attached a photo of my N10 (top) next to my dad's iPad 3. It's even more egregious in real life, but even in this picture, it's easily seen how much softer and lighter the blue paint looks on the Nexus. Knowing what the car looks like in person, I can attest that the iPad is displaying it much closer to real life.
Is that the same picture or did you take pictures with each device's camera?
They look like different pictures to me(slightly different angles) ... You need to load the same picture(from the same camera) on both tablets and then take a picture of that...
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Is that the same picture or did you take pictures with each device's camera?
They look like different pictures to me(slightly different angles) ... You need to load the same picture(from the same camera) on both tablets and then take a picture of that...
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Of course it's the same picture. How would this be a comparison of the screens if I took two different pictures with the tablets' cameras? It's clearly the same photo, and the angles are the same.
The way each device has cropped the image makes it look like different pictures and I totally agree it looks better on the ipad... Especially the first of the trees on the left
The top one looks way better to me. The iPad has a lot less detail and far too over saturated colors.
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The top one looks way better to me. The iPad has a lot less detail and far too over saturated colors.
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It's totally up to you to make that subjective call, but I don't think it's up for debate that the iPad has much better color reproduction. The iPad is actually very well calibrated and makes colors pop and look vibrant without cranking up the contrast and saturation too much. I don't see what you mean when you say the iPad has less detail, maybe you're seeing how the camera that took the picture underexposed some of the darker parts of the iPad's display. It's still clear to me that the blue is just waaaay off on the Nexus 10. In real life, the blue is a deep, almost purple-y blue hue. The Nexus displays it almost like a sky blue/baby blue shade. I would attempt a blind comparison between the devices, but it's difficult as it's immediately obvious to distinguish between the devices due to the differing aspect ratios.
Tom's Hardware did a great job in their review on this front, though. Can't post links, but just remove the space in the middle.
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It's totally up to you to make that subjective call, but I don't think it's up for debate that the iPad has much better color reproduction. The iPad is actually very well calibrated and makes colors pop and look vibrant without cranking up the contrast and saturation too much. I don't see what you mean when you say the iPad has less detail, maybe you're seeing how the camera that took the picture underexposed some of the darker parts of the iPad's display. It's still clear to me that the blue is just waaaay off on the Nexus 10. In real life, the blue is a deep, almost purple-y blue hue. The Nexus displays it almost like a sky blue/baby blue shade. I would attempt a blind comparison between the devices, but it's difficult as it's immediately obvious to distinguish between the devices due to the differing aspect ratios.
Tom's Hardware did a great job in their review on this front, though. Can't post links, but just remove the space in the middle.
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The flower pictures, I can see more detail on the N10 screen. The iPad's screen looks more saturated, but it also seems to have too much contrast, thus losing the finer details.
I like details over over-saturated colors.
I also own both devices, and the colours are definitely a lot better on the iPad
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Like someone above mentioned, I believe the latest official release of the kernel comes with the color tweaks baked in.
I've attached a photo of my N10 (top) next to my dad's iPad 3. It's even more egregious in real life, but even in this picture, it's easily seen how much softer and lighter the blue paint looks on the Nexus. Knowing what the car looks like in person, I can attest that the iPad is displaying it much closer to real life.
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Off topic, but good god do I want a focus st
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Off topic, but good god do I want a focus st
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Brofist. I love the Focus ST, and plan to buy one as soon as I can. Kudos to you for recognizing it! It first occurred to me how bad the blues were on the Nexus 10 when I was frequenting the forum for the car, and it was particularly bad with that particular shade of blue.
For those of you mentioning how there is more "detail" on the N10 display, I'm think detail is something that's better experienced in person. These photo comparisons of the screens serve better to capture the relative difference in color.
At this point, I guess we are to assume that there is not much progress being made as far as color calibration is concerned? How was the nut finally cracked for the color control on the GNex? Did it take more than nearly six months in the product cycle for it to happen? That's about where we're at for the Nexus 10.
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For those of you mentioning how there is more "detail" on the N10 display, I'm think detail is something that's better experienced in person. These photo comparisons of the screens serve better to capture the relative difference in color.
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It is true they are best served to compare colors, but if you are viewing the images on a proper IPS panle monitor that is calibrated properly you can see how crushed the detail is on the iPad. In the heavy color areas it is so far over-saturated that all detail within those areas is lost completely. I noticed this same thing in the darker areas of your own picture on the first page too. You claim is is probably from underexposure in the camera but that cant be right because then the Nexus 10 would have the same problem. Yet I can see detail fine on the N10 and the dark areas in the iPad are crushed.
With the color adjustments in the KTmanta kernel, after professional measurements were done to the screen we clearly find that the Nexus 10 is pretty close to perfectly calibrated in gamma, and greyscale, and many colors are near dead one. The one big issue remaining is the blue, which is basically almost into cyan color. Everything else is pretty good now.
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At this point, I guess we are to assume that there is not much progress being made as far as color calibration is concerned? How was the nut finally cracked for the color control on the GNex? Did it take more than nearly six months in the product cycle for it to happen? That's about where we're at for the Nexus 10.
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I believe Ezekeel created the color control for the Galaxy nexus, or at least he is always credited when a kernel enables color control in it. I bought my GNex a couple months after it was released and the color control was already there in full swing. So I imagine the Galaxy nexus got this feature enabled very soon after its launch, probably cause it was either much easier to do on an OMAP4 processor, or the code was already there and easy to reach. This Exynos5 chipset is brand new, and has had its color control code completely removed from the source. Which is why things are so difficult.
I just wanted to share my own experience with the Nexus 10's color calibration. I "rented" a unit from office depot and returned it 2 days later because the colors were so overly warm compared to an ipad. If you just looked at the grass you'd figure it was spring on the ipad and fall on the nexus 10.
Here is my photo gallery comparing the two
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please don't 'rawr nexus 10 rules' 'rawr your camera sucks' 'rawr pixel 1647 in the upper left 37th quadrant looks superior to pixel 4728 on the ipad rawr' at me.
I took some quick shots with my nexus 4 before i took it back, these are 1000000%%%%% unscientific comparions and should be taken with a grain of salt. If you want to see the full resolutions click on the gear icon on the upper right.
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I just wanted to share my own experience with the Nexus 10's color calibration. I "rented" a unit from office depot and returned it 2 days later because the colors were so overly warm compared to an ipad. If you just looked at the grass you'd figure it was spring on the ipad and fall on the nexus 10.
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based on this gallery, both are off, IMO. Nexus 10 colours are definitely weaker overall but the iPad is a touch too saturated -- those reds are on fire.
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the colors were so overly warm compared to an ipad.
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Overall color temp was brought to be a bit "cooler" with the color tweaks in the KTManta kernel. But yes stock colors are warm.
The colors looked washed out. hey, I just got my z ultra from singapore and everythin seems too bright and washed out.
I'm on version .510
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The colors looked washed out. hey, I just got my z ultra from singapore and everythin seems too bright and washed out.
I'm on version .510
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defected unit.
Yeah, the screen definitely doesn't look washed out on a properly working unit.
Must be a lemon.
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The Ultra's screen is nothing short of breathtaking, you've got a defective unit.
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Turn off that optimised backlight under display then you'll see how good the screen can be!
You know, I went back and forth numerous times between having the optimized backlight off and on, and I could never tell any difference. I'm convinced it's the placebo effect making people think they see a difference.
If you're coming from Samsung, then you will see a difference, this screen has much more natural colours and it takes a little getting used to.
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You know, I went back and forth numerous times between having the optimized backlight off and on, and I could never tell any difference. I'm convinced it's the placebo effect making people think they see a difference.
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I agree with you, no difference at all on my unit.
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If you're coming from Samsung, then you will see a difference, this screen has much more natural colours and it takes a little getting used to.
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I agree with you 100%, I am from Samsung Note2 and the screen does look a bit dull especially with white backgrounds in SMS app or others.
One strange thing that the center "horizontal" area seems to be perfect white while the top and bottom of the screen have a brown / yellowish shade to it. This has been irritating me and I am trying to ignore it
I got mine just last night and absolutely love it other than this small issue with the screen. I wonder if I need to take it back to Sony CS for a comparison with another set?
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The colors looked washed out. hey, I just got my z ultra from singapore and everythin seems too bright and washed out.
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I agree. Was comparing iPhone 5 and samsung note 2 with z ultra. The z ultra seems pale in colors and doesn't have good contrast/black.
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The colors looked washed out. hey, I just got my z ultra from singapore and everythin seems too bright and washed out.
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after some comparison
I found that it's washed out indeed,, but ONLY IN GOOGLE PLAY
(compare the green button "apps" to some green app icon on home(exp Line) back and forth,,, it's really easy to see that the green in Google Play are washed out)
I dont know what kind of tweak sony done to google apps but after some test and comparison,,, it seems to be the case
anyone agree?
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ok,,,,after messing around with it now i found not not only Google Play is washed out
other google apps are also washed out like gmail and such,,,,,,
Now that you mention it, the Gmail app on mine does seem to be a little...I don't know that I'd say "washed out," but for sure the text looks less contrasty. Images don't seem to be affected, though, and the display is brilliant everywhere else.
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Now that you mention it, the Gmail app on mine does seem to be a little...I don't know that I'd say "washed out," but for sure the text looks less contrasty. Images don't seem to be affected, though, and the display is brilliant everywhere else.
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after some further comparison between the same pic file displayed on different displays(including my desktop;screenshot'ed the google play interface on different phones and compared it on my desktop;etc)
i found, at least this time - -! , i think rather than the tweak by sony,, it's actually that our eyes got too accustomized to the over saturated green on samsung AMOLED devices,,, the green of google play/gmail/etc compared to samsung device did look washed out,, but thats becasue that's the accurate color google initially intended,,
Thing is, I've never owned an AMOLED phone. :/ Anyway, it's the text on mine, not images.
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Thing is, I've never owned an AMOLED phone. :/ Anyway, it's the text on mine, not images.
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id admit im obssessed with this problem and till now done many comparison,,
(detailed in the thread i made: ,,,http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472114)
and got to the conclusion,,the screen is indeed wased out , and colors are "light"/less vibrant,, but it wasnt due to defect but rather intended by sony
Just some food for thought.
I am sure you all realise that you are trying to compare different types of screen technology? Let me give an example to help perhaps?
Plasma V LCD or LCD-LED TV's. What produces 'the best' picture? Non of them, they are different. Since the LCD TV has been introduced it was supposed to be the demise of the 'old plasma' screens. Not the case at all and many top brands still make plasma screens that are superior in some aspects to the newer LCD- LCD-LED group.
I am afraid to write that it will come down to choice and preference. I went from Samsung screens to Sony and back to Samsung in terms of phone. I didn't want to as I have a preference for the type of screen Sony produces. I shall be keeping my Xperia 10.1 tablet as the screen just amazes me. The screen on the Note 3 that I now own is back to these over saturated colours and odd definition and contrast. No choice for me as the Ultra is just too big so I had to go back to Samsung but....
Its rather folly to even try and compare an apple with an orange just the same with different screen technology. One can purchase a lemon in any brand. I think to write that the ultra screen looks "washed out" is difficult as it could be a lemon. In general the new screens coming from Sony are very vibrant and more importantly realistic in colour reproduction and tone.
Choice will be ones buying strategy. Manufacturers have been trying to kill of Plasma screens for years but cant as they have something other screen don't.
Regards
I have to disagree. Those tech are replacing older ones cause they obviously produces more correct representation of colours and faster refresh rates. Except plasma which still produces one of the est colour, but unfortunately cant be made in higher resolution because of its inherent limitation. I have to say my preference has always been about correctness. I was hoping someone would say its a defective unit and the good unit would produce display similar to iphone or samsung. But i guess my upgrade have to wait until i am aure the display is at least as good as the IPS-LCD which iphone uses.
Ryland Johnson said:
Just some food for thought.
I am sure you all realise that you are trying to compare different types of screen technology? Let me give an example to help perhaps?
Plasma V LCD or LCD-LED TV's. What produces 'the best' picture? Non of them, they are different. Since the LCD TV has been introduced it was supposed to be the demise of the 'old plasma' screens. Not the case at all and many top brands still make plasma screens that are superior in some aspects to the newer LCD- LCD-LED group.
I am afraid to write that it will come down to choice and preference. I went from Samsung screens to Sony and back to Samsung in terms of phone. I didn't want to as I have a preference for the type of screen Sony produces. I shall be keeping my Xperia 10.1 tablet as the screen just amazes me. The screen on the Note 3 that I now own is back to these over saturated colours and odd definition and contrast. No choice for me as the Ultra is just too big so I had to go back to Samsung but....
Its rather folly to even try and compare an apple with an orange just the same with different screen technology. One can purchase a lemon in any brand. I think to write that the ultra screen looks "washed out" is difficult as it could be a lemon. In general the new screens coming from Sony are very vibrant and more importantly realistic in colour reproduction and tone.
Choice will be ones buying strategy. Manufacturers have been trying to kill of Plasma screens for years but cant as they have something other screen don't.
Regards
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I have to disagree. Those tech are replacing older ones cause they obviously produces more correct representation of colours and faster refresh rates. Except plasma which still produces one of the est colour, but unfortunately cant be made in higher resolution because of its inherent limitation. I have to say my preference has always been about correctness. I was hoping someone would say its a defective unit and the good unit would produce display similar to iphone or samsung. But i guess my upgrade have to wait until i am aure the display is at least as good as the IPS-LCD which iphone uses.
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You begin by disagreeing then write exactly what I have written
No problem.:highfive:
I have to say, I never had an AMOLED device, but I love the colors of the XZU.
It doesn't look washed out at all, the colors are indeed a lot like the colors on my IPS PC-monitors in color-boost modus (which means the colors are even more colorful than they are normally).
There are devices where the colors look washed out, e.g. the Nexus 4 and 7, but definitely not on the XZU.
If you think the colors are looking washed out you either got a defective unit or you have a very strange impression of what colors should look like.
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You begin by disagreeing then write exactly what I have written
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Thanks, i guess. Lol.
Lets just say if the display unit I was comparing was 80pc like an iphone in color and depth of black. Or like a plasma tv. I would have bought it already. Ill wait and see for now.. cheers
I just played with the G3 and when I went through the settings to display, I realized it was maxed out. I backed it down to half and it was damn near dark. On full bright it's not as bright as my S5 on half.
Having to max it will be a huge battery issue...grrrrr!!!!
get over it, go out with somebody else... keep your s5?
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Get over what? Did I say there was a problem? I am reporting my findings.
I was worried about this, GPad had the same issues and I went back to my trusty N7. Damn
Just to clarify, you can change the brightness level while it still is on auto to change the max brightness. Are you sure it still wasn't on auto? Also, was it warm and possibly overheating and dimming the screen some? It also supposedly won't max out when charging.
I didn't think to check the brightness on the AT&T demo but it seemed bright enough in the brightly lit room. I believe one website speced it out at about the same nits as the DNA which I thought was bright enough, and much brighter than my Note 2.
I kind of wish phones had matte screens though. Then we wouldn't get the reflection in sunlight.
So when I'm on pornhub I can't see the happy endings with the dark screen?
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Just to clarify, you can change the brightness level while it still is on auto to change the max brightness. Are you sure it still wasn't on auto? Also, was it warm and possibly overheating and dimming the screen some? It also supposedly won't max out when charging.
I didn't think to check the brightness on the AT&T demo but it seemed bright enough in the brightly lit room. I believe one website speced it out at about the same nits as the DNA which I thought was bright enough, and much brighter than my Note 2.
I kind of wish phones had matte screens though. Then we wouldn't get the reflection in sunlight.
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It was all the way up. I then put it on auto and went down to 41, which is where my S5 lives...so dark. I then went all the way bright again and said to myself.....this is the level I'm used to.
I'll adjust to it I'm sure, but dunno why it doesn't go very bright.
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It was all the way up. I then put it on auto and went down to 41, which is where my S5 lives...so dark. I then went all the way bright again and said to myself.....this is the level I'm used to.
I'll adjust to it I'm sure, but dunno why it doesn't go very bright.
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"It was all the way up"....That's what she said....?
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Rootuser3.0 said:
So when I'm on pornhub I can't see the happy endings with the dark screen?
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"It was all the way up"....That's what she said....?
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Two posts like this...good to know where your mind stays
A thread was needed for this? There's already a general discussion thread here full of got my tracking, blah, blah. While I appreciate you reporting a concern of yours, I don't see why this cant go there? This isnt going to stop anyone from getting it. Not trying to be rude OP.
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A thread was needed for this? There's already a general discussion thread here full of got my tracking, blah, blah. While I appreciate you reporting a concern of yours, I don't see why this cant go there? This isnt going to stop anyone from getting it. Not trying to be rude OP.
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Actually as someone who is thinking of purchasing the device I welcome this thread.
By the way, who the heck are you? I believe there are mods who police the threads, we dont need you chiming in.
It's just kind of funny the first thread you see in the verizon section is someone complaining about the brightness (who already has an s5) when it's been thoroughly covered that the screen doesn't go as bright as some would hope... I checked it out in the AT&T store the other day and it it was bright in there with lots of sunlight.. It never phased me that it was dim. And it most scenarios I am going to be in darker situations than the AT&T store.. I say enjoy your s5.. Party on.
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A thread was needed for this? There's already a general discussion thread here full of got my tracking, blah, blah. While I appreciate you reporting a concern of yours, I don't see why this cant go there? This isnt going to stop anyone from getting it. Not trying to be rude OP.
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Dude....I am not trying to stop anyone from buying it. I have two on the way to me. I am just telling people what I immediately noticed when I held the phone. Often times people don't want to read through 137 pages to find an answer. This isn't the first and surely isn't the last dup thread you'll see. You could have easily not come in....with all due respect
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Two posts like this...good to know where your mind stays
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from the person who has an avatar with "female orgasm"...
sexist much? lol
JK
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It's just kind of funny the first thread you see in the verizon section is someone complaining about the brightness (who already has an s5) when it's been thoroughly covered that the screen doesn't go as bright as some would hope... I checked it out in the AT&T store the other day and it it was bright in there with lots of sunlight.. It never phased me that it was dim. And it most scenarios I am going to be in darker situations than the AT&T store.. I say enjoy your s5.. Party on.
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As I told the other dude....My comparison to the S5 is only because that is what I have. I am ditching the S5 for the G3, so it's obvious I would look for what's better and where it lacks....So just because YOU think it's bright enough and wherever you say it was 'thoroughly covered' that there is a brightness concern, I guess that makes you sane and everyone else crazy.
Let people judge for themselves before you start scaring mass amounts of people away from buying the phone man. The title of the thread is a very in your face. My opinion is that it's bright enough for me.
The g3 gets around 450 nits at maximum brightness the s5 is around 500. Its not night and day difference so bfd. The s5 does get a little brighter in Sun light. But no one should be using max brightness indoors
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I just played with the G3 and when I went through the settings to display, I realized it was maxed out. I backed it down to half and it was damn near dark. On full bright it's not as bright as my S5 on half.
Having to max it will be a huge battery issue...grrrrr!!!!
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There is an option to increase the contrast in the settings, it is set to a more natural tone to begin with. The S5 is majorly over saturated and although can be set to a higher temp then the G3 screen, it goes in line to the current trend of over-saturated screens as of late. Kick the contrast up on the G3 and see if that appeases your issues.
I would also like to add 450 nits is the v equivalent of 450 candlepower over one square meter or just imagine 450 candles lit in one square meter it is no slouch by any means. And Any real useable lcd in sunlight needs to be in the 1000 to 2000 nit range
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get over it, go out with somebody else... keep your s5?
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It is not very bright and the contrast is not very good (it does not stand out though unless comparing next to each other). As per reviews and display analysis, this is part of the heat and power management of using a Qhd display with the current display panel tech LG uses. Each pixel has the same power efficiency as a 1080p panel, but twice the pixels to power up. Early next year we should see the second generation for Qhd panels that have the same power efficiency of 1080p displays now. Thing is 1080p will be even better, so still will have better battery life and performance.
Samsung will likely have less issues due to amoled tech using less power overall. Who knows though until the Note 3 and Prime release. Big battle brewing with Apple this fall.