[Q] Root? S-Off? I'm freakin' confused... - Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE

Jeez I feel like an idiot for posting, because I've been reading threads and such for well over an hour but we've always been told there are no dumb questions right?
Ok, so I rooted my original EVO with Unrevoked years ago and have been happily flashing ROM's, radio's and the like ever since.
Now I've got a new EVO 4G LTE and I'm thinking I can come home today, root/s-off and be on my merry way flashing SuperJelly. Apparently, it's not quite so straight forward?
I've read the sticky thread how to root, etc but I have HBOOT 2.09 so it looks like LazyPanda and the like are not options to get s-off. There's even a thread on how there's no exploit for HBOOT 2.09 yet.
There's still much confusion in my brain about where to go next...
Unlock bootloader with HTCDev?
Then flash TWRP?
Feeling very NOOBish, but better to ask than to brick.

jlampitt said:
Jeez I feel like an idiot for posting, because I've been reading threads and such for well over an hour but we've always been told there are no dumb questions right?
Ok, so I rooted my original EVO with Unrevoked years ago and have been happily flashing ROM's, radio's and the like ever since.
Now I've got a new EVO 4G LTE and I'm thinking I can come home today, root/s-off and be on my merry way flashing SuperJelly. Apparently, it's not quite so straight forward?
I've read the sticky thread how to root, etc but I have HBOOT 2.09 so it looks like LazyPanda and the like are not options to get s-off. There's even a thread on how there's no exploit for HBOOT 2.09 yet.
There's still much confusion in my brain about where to go next...
Unlock bootloader with HTCDev?
Then flash TWRP?
Feeling very NOOBish, but better to ask than to brick.
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You know what to do. Now you just have to do it.

This is a very "Yoda" moment happening here... Thanks Capt.

Hm. I remember seeing this today, but I went back an re-read the article. It might be worth waiting for an HBOOT 2.09 exploit.
http://www.pocketables.com/2012/12/...es-for-rooted-s-on-htc-evo-4g-lte-owners.html

Unlocking your bootloader now is not gonna hinder you using any exploit found for hboot 2.09 almost certainly.
Basically I would advice not waiting for an exploit if you wanna flash a few roms
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I'm gonna need to do more research on this because I'm not understanding why s-off is such a big deal on this device if I want to flash SuperJelly or MeanBean (which has s-on instructions) if all I have to do is root.
Frankly, I want SuperJelly for the GPS and camera improvements.
I gotta get this straight in my head so I don't end up posting a "help, I just screwed up my device" post.

jlampitt said:
I'm gonna need to do more research on this because I'm not understanding why s-off is such a big deal on this device if I want to flash SuperJelly or MeanBean (which has s-on instructions) if all I have to do is root.
Frankly, I want SuperJelly for the GPS and camera improvements.
I gotta get this straight in my head so I don't end up posting a "help, I just screwed up my device" post.
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Soff is necessary for the firmware upgrades (you are on the latest so as of now no big deal) it also make flashing a custom kernel a lot easier with no extra steps(source has not been release hence there is no jb custom kernels so no worries there at the moment) if all you want to do is flash a rom for now just htc dev unlock flash a custom recovery and you'll be good to go until an exploit is found
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Success!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36014051#post36014051
Thanks everyone for your words of encouragement and info.

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[Q] unlocked my evo 3d via htc method... screwed or not? That is the question...

How do I achieve s-off? Can I revese HTC unlock method? Is there a thread or answer available? I'm not a complete noob at rooting but got excited and didn't read thoroughly before committing to the HTC process. Started sifting through threads and haven't discovered an answer yet... Please help
I've been trying to sift through them as well just out of curiosity. Here is what I have gleaned from all of the threads on this subject:
1) Unless you previously had s-off through revolutionary, the HTC method will not give you or currently allow you to get s-off
2) Although the HTC method does unlock the boot loader, other things are still locked preventing you from flashing a custom recovery.
3) Currently there is no way to root or get super user access once you've applied the HTC method
4) Currently there is no way to undo the HTC method.
Probably not what you wanted to hear but that is my understanding as it is currently. That doesn't mean that a Dev won't figure out how to allow you to do those things in the next few days or weeks. You'll just have to keep checking.
Thank you, maybe ill just "lose" my phone and get it replaced
I would wait a week or so. Someone will probably figure it out.
Try this thread. Apparently this version of CWM recovery will work with the 1.50 hboot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225812
I think if you search other threads you'll see that it only works if you have previously had s-off.
evoLMaverick said:
Thank you, maybe ill just "lose" my phone and get it replaced
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Wow...fraud...people like you are why we pay so damn much for insurance/phones.
Looks like you can install recovery and Roms. Look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225974
housry23 said:
Looks like you can install recovery and Roms. Look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225974
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There you go! That didn't take long at all. Now you don't have to "lose" your phone.
thank you
I really appreciate the info... I'll check it out tonight and let you all know how it goes. This is my absolute favorite forum bar none. By the way, I was being facetious when I made the statement about "losing" my phone... laugh every once in a while! I did when I basically noobed my own phone.

Question about the latest update from HTC/Sprint and unlock

Hello,
Last week there was an update for the phone which brought it to 2.3.4. Is it unlocked now? Do I still have to do the s-off thing to install new roms?
I'm new to the android mod stuff so don't worry about insulting my knowledge as I have much to learn about android. I've never performed a custom rom install on my android phones (only WM phones).
boe said:
Hello,
Last week there was an update for the phone which brought it to 2.3.4. Is it unlocked now? Do I still have to do the s-off thing to install new roms?
I'm new to the android mod stuff so don't worry about insulting my knowledge as I have much to learn about android. I've never performed a custom rom install on my android phones (only WM phones).
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No its not unlocked and it still has S-On. If you took the update your going to have to use the HTC method of getting S-Off. Unless there's another method that i haven't heard of. This was the first android phone I ever owned and ever rooted and i have to say if was pretty easy after hours of reading over and over the how to root guide . The hardest part of rooting was "finding" a working Parallel Desktop and working version of windows 7 for my brother's Mac from the Internet.
boe said:
Hello,
Last week there was an update for the phone which brought it to 2.3.4. Is it unlocked now? Do I still have to do the s-off thing to install new roms?
I'm new to the android mod stuff so don't worry about insulting my knowledge as I have much to learn about android. I've never performed a custom rom install on my android phones (only WM phones).
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Try this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225974
My "DU4L C0R3 SH00T3R" shot you down in 3D! -Security Off-
Thanks. I guess I don't understand the nature of android. What is s-off vs. unlocked?
r0cky0790 said:
Try this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1225974
My "DU4L C0R3 SH00T3R" shot you down in 3D! -Security Off-
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Dont show him the htc unlock method wtf?!?! He can wait for revolutionary.
Free Dirk!!!
knowledge561 Mr. Senior Member,
I just did the update as well, I’ve been wanting to root my 3vo for the longest time but have been waiting for the easiest method to do so. you recommend the revolutionary, correct?
Moy101 said:
knowledge561 Mr. Senior Member,
I just did the update as well, I’ve been wanting to root my 3vo for the longest time but have been waiting for the easiest method to do so. you recommend the revolutionary, correct?
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Just wait for revolutionary to be updated. Its recommended.
Free Dirk!!!
Can someone spoon feed a newbie the difference between unlocked, s-off and revolutionary?
Thanks
boe said:
Can someone spoon feed a newbie the difference between unlocked, s-off and revolutionary?
Thanks
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Revolutionary is a tool that was developed by Alpharev and Unrevoked. It will set your phone to S-off (security off). With S-off, your phone is fully unlocked and you have full r/w access to all partitions (you can flash kernels, radios etc). HTC's unlock method does not give you S-off. It 'unlocks' the bootloader, while it remains S-on (security on). That is a half ass unlock. It will still allow you to flash a custom recovery, which you will then be able to use to flash roms. However, as I understand it, you can only write to the system partition. That means you can't flash radios, kernels, etc. You can only flash roms. Basically, HTC's unlock is not a full unlock, you are limited to what you can flash. Revolutionary will give you a full unlock with no restrictions, you can do whatever you want.
Revolutionary isn't updated to work with the latest OTA update yet (hboot 1.5), but it's being worked on. Those guys are really good, and I'd think that they will have their tool updated to work with the latest hboot at some point in the not so far future (speculation). As knowledge suggested, if I were you I would definitely wait for revolutionary to be updated, instead of going with HTC's half assed unlock method.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I have much to learn and appreciate the info! I'm not sure what I'll be looking for - about the only thing I know I want is tethering. If someone can make it less likely to drop calls that would be HUGE.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I could gather, from the Android forums besides researching here. Revolutionary is not doing an update for Hboot 1.50.... But also was said possibly figuring a way to downgrade the hboot. Either way I hope something is done, because I do not want to take HTC unlock method. I was unfortunate n already had the update when I purchased the phone. So Im gonna just sit here and wait..
"Originally Posted by wake69 For those of you who are rooted and or planning on rooting or planning on getting device and rooting, if you take the ota there is a great chancethatyour hboot version will neverbesupportedby revolutionary. As some have asked questions about weather or not they will support hboot version 1.5 the answer is no. Here is the transcript of my conversation with IEF who is a major part of their organization: in the revolutionary irc channel 30 secs ago
[09:21] <wake69> will there be an update for the evo 3d 1.5 cdma bootloader?
[09:21] <@IEF> no
[09:21] <@IEF> there won't
[09:21] <wake69> thank you
[09:22] <wake69> i dont need it just a question
[09:22] <@IEF> we might figure out a way to downgrade to 1.40 at some point, which we will release then, but don't count on it
so, if you want the ota, flash the rooted rom and firmwaredontunroot, if you want to root without the htc method dont take OTAs once you get hboot version 1.5 you are stuck with the HTC rooting method"
EVO3D
Thanks - so should I give up on waiting for Revolutionary?
http://pocketnow.com/android/more-unlocked-bootloaders-for-htc-sensation-smartphones
Is this new info or no?
beyond882001 said:
http://pocketnow.com/android/more-unlocked-bootloaders-for-htc-sensation-smartphones
Is this new info or no?
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NO, They just added support for more devices. A few days ago only EVO 3d & the EU Sensation were supported, but now there are a few more on that list.
I figured.....lol
Honestly, even after reading that. Im still going to hold out to see if an unofficial method comes out. I think its just to early in the game to just throw in the towel, and take HTC unlocking method.
Like knowledge651 recommended, just wait.. and hope for the best, anything is still possible..
I was just curious, if possibly someone else knew more information about the matter.
EVO3D
Could someone explain why the revolutionary method is better than the HTC method? I've never done any thing other than stock as this is my first android so I'd like to understand why some are waiting.
2 reasons, one revolution WORKS, period. Complete s-off and root. Htc...limited unlocking. Two, you need to register serial number with htc.
To all thinking about upgrading to the new ota
Don't take ota.......do not.

[Q] New to EVO 3D

Hello I will be receiving my EVO 3D soon and I'm pretty sure it has an eng hboot and I was wondering if I should leave it as such or should/could I flash it to hboot 1.4? I pretty much want the same rooting abilities I currently have on my EVO 4G I'm not looking to delve into something I know nothing about...Thank you
TheMC1192 said:
Hello I will be receiving my EVO 3D soon and I'm pretty sure it has an eng hboot and I was wondering if I should leave it as such or should/could I flash it to hboot 1.4? I pretty much want the same rooting abilities I currently have on my EVO 4G I'm not looking to delve into something I know nothing about...Thank you
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Understand:
(all are assumed that bootloader are unlocked)
1.4 hboot S-OFF = you can root like we've traditionally have for years and flash any rom
1.5 hboot S-OFF = you can downgrade the hboot to 1.4 and root and flash roms as will or you can keep it and still root and flash roms as will.
1.5 hboot S-ON = you can still root and flash roms as will BUT you just need to flash the kernel (boot.img) first before you switch roms via Flash GUI or fastboot and that's it!
I really don't understand why one extra step bothers people so much? if your hear, you like the hard way, IF you wouldn't then you would stay stock, unrooted and keep living the normal life.....
I'm not worried about doing a little extra leg work trust its just that I was under the impression that you cannot get true s-off on hboot 1.5. But that wasn't my question I wanted to know if it was possible to upgrade the eng hboot to hboot 1.4 and how or point me to a thread that has that explained. Sorry if wasn't clear from the beginning
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How do u know if u r s off or on? I know I'm 1.5
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@enko420:
It's easy to find out just have to go into your bootloader by holding power+vol down when screen is off and it will say at the top of the bootloader screen
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TheMC1192 said:
@enko420:
It's easy to find out just have to go into your bootloader by holding power+vol down when screen is off and it will say at the top of the bootloader screen
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Thanks a lot bud, not to figure out how to flash roms since I am S-ON. or maybe find a path to get S-OFF on the 1.50
go into bootloader and it should say
enko420 said:
Thanks a lot bud, not to figure out how to flash roms since I am S-ON. or maybe find a path to get S-OFF on the 1.50
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There is no soff currently for hboot 1.5. But its real easy if you don't want to use a computer. Just use joeykrim app called flash image gui from the market. There is even a free version on xda. Use that to flash a kernel. Then boot into your recovery and flash the rom. Definitely easy. The only thing hboot locks to my understanding would be radio. Well kernel too but thats an easy workaround with the app.
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enko420 said:
Thanks a lot bud, not to figure out how to flash roms since I am S-ON. or maybe find a path to get S-OFF on the 1.50
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I have a guide/flashing notes in my signature that may clear some things up for you.
mpgrimm2 said:
I have a guide/flashing notes in my signature that may clear some things up for you.
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Thanks for your help and your guide, much easier than I thought

Gingerbread to ICS (CDMA)

Long story short… I have been very busy for the last 6 months and not been keeping up with all the changes for the CDMA EVO 3D. I am not really sure the best way to get from here to there. I am not a noob and don’t really need my hand held or a dummy’s guide (I have been messing with Android since the HTC Hero and rooted lots of phones and pads). There has been just to many new ways to root and leaked roms…etc. It would be nice to skip all the BS and get caught up with what most people are currently doing.
My current config…
H-Boot: 1.40 s-off via Revolutionary Method
Recovery: TWRP v2.1.1
Rom: ViperRom Redline v2.5 RC2
Would it be better to just RUU back to stock Gingerbread then upgrade to ICS and re-root or is better way to get to ICS with root???? I am not trying save anything on my phone. I am a big fan of wiping and super wiping multiple times before loading a new rom. Also is there any benefit to H-Boot 1.5 or higher?
If this has already be asked can you point me to the correct thread.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Shark_HTC said:
Long story short… I have been very busy for the last 6 months and not been keeping up with all the changes for the CDMA EVO 3D. I am not really sure the best way to get from here to there. I am not a noob and don’t really need my hand held or a dummy’s guide (I have been messing with Android since the HTC Hero and rooted lots of phones and pads). There has been just to many new ways to root and leaked roms…etc. It would be nice to skip all the BS and get caught up with what most people are currently doing.
My current config…
H-Boot: 1.40 s-off via Revolutionary Method
Recovery: TWRP v2.1.1
Rom: ViperRom Redline v2.5 RC2
Would it be better to just RUU back to stock Gingerbread then upgrade to ICS and re-root or is better way to get to ICS with root???? I am not trying save anything on my phone. I am a big fan of wiping and super wiping multiple times before loading a new rom. Also is there any benefit to H-Boot 1.5 or higher?
If this has already be asked can you point me to the correct thread.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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If I'm reading right, just search the development forums for an ics rom, flash it and you're good to go. NEVER TAKE OTA
Sent from my EVO 3DMA with a little "Common Sense"
Tl;dr.
Just kidding. I'm running the latest ics rooted Roms on hboot 1.4 revolutionary s-off. I ran freeza's firmware update without the new hboot. This lets me run everything except the new kernel (which most new Roms don't use). If you insist on the new kernel, you can upgrade the hboot too, but you lose the ability to flash aosp and GB Roms.
So, in short, you just need to pick a rooted ics Rom and go. I like zr3dx, Meanrom, homebrew, or common ground.
I also recommend you change to 4ext recovery. It's really nice.
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coal686 said:
Tl;dr.
Just kidding. I'm running the latest ics rooted Roms on hboot 1.4 revolutionary s-off. I ran freeza's firmware update without the new hboot. This lets me run everything except the new kernel (which most new Roms don't use). If you insist on the new kernel, you can upgrade the hboot too, but you lose the ability to flash aosp and GB Roms.
So, in short, you just need to pick a rooted ics Rom and go. I like zr3dx, Meanrom, homebrew, or common ground.
I also recommend you change to 4ext recovery. It's really nice.
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Thanks that was exactly what I needed and I was getting tired of reading all the posts about the VM fiasco, and sticking a wire in the SD card…etc.
You are right it was “Tl;dr” but I also hate threads that go on forever because you don’t have enough info to answer the question.
Thanks again
Shark_HTC said:
Thanks that was exactly what I needed and I was getting tired of reading all the posts about the VM fiasco, and sticking a wire in the SD card…etc.
You are right it was “Tl;dr” but I also hate threads that go on forever because you don’t have enough info to answer the question.
Thanks again
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More information > less information :thumbup:
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after downgrading from ICS to GB, my free ram become low from free 380mb on ICS to 222 on GB

Update HBOOT 1.15 to 1.19?

It appears that HBOOT 1.15 will not get s-off any time soon...Is it O.K. to upgrade to HBOOT 1.19 and wait then for s-off capabilities, or is 1.19 taboo also.
I am rooted, can I stall HBOOT 1.19 with abd, or would I have to root the phone again, and install a recovery...
There are 2 ways, ruu or revert to stock for ota. You must relock bootloader before ruu or ota. For the ota you need stock recovery as well. There's a few misconceptions floating around. First is that you need to update to run the latest base, this is simply not true, I'm running mikeys latest without issue. The second is basically the same but involving the aroma installer, flashes fine but sometimes kernel will not flash and you boot to bootloader. This does not mean you need to update only that the kernel did not like the new base, fastboot kernel and you'll be fine. Some people still have WiFi issues and others have LTE issues, both should have been addressed in the last 2 updates and people with the latest firmware are still having problems. To me this does not warrant relocking upgrading and going through the unlock again.
A lot of people including myself don't consider 1.19 an upgrade and like om said you don't nerf to update
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Always best waiting
In my experiences, it is almost ALWAYS best to wait. If for some reason 1.19 gets s-off before 1.15 then u can update. But for now, just wait. I got lucky and I'm 1.12 s-off either way warranty is gone so always get s-off whenever possible.
I keep seeing threads about s-off. I'll like people to be more specific as to what they're trying to achieve that they can't while being s-on?
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Just the ability to directly flash software to partitions normally inaccessible, Firmware basically. Those of us s-on would have to flash back to stock, lock hboot, and accept an ota or relock and run the ruu
Also, don't know the details of any of it, but in the s-off bounty thread guy is donating a 1.15 hboot. U can flip a coin better than I can say what they will do with it then. Either update it to 1.19 or try and find the exploit on 1.15.
Personally, if I was a badass at finding exploits in HTC coding then I'd crack both like yesterday. But if I was that badass I'd have better stuff to do as well... Hoping for 1.19 s-off just for future development.
Anthonicia said:
Also, don't know the details of any of it, but in the s-off bounty thread guy is donating a 1.15 hboot. U can flip a coin better than I can say what they will do with it then. Either update it to 1.19 or try and find the exploit on 1.15.
Personally, if I was a badass at finding exploits in HTC coding then I'd crack both like yesterday. But if I was that badass I'd have better stuff to do as well... Hoping for 1.19 s-off just for future development.
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there is a guy in the s-off thread saying he will give up his phone and i saw fuses sent him a PM reply about it hang in there guys
om4 said:
There are 2 ways, ruu or revert to stock for ota. You must relock bootloader before ruu or ota. For the ota you need stock recovery as well. There's a few misconceptions floating around. First is that you need to update to run the latest base, this is simply not true, I'm running mikeys latest without issue.
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Quick question: Are you saying that if I wanted to run Mean ROM that I do not need to be in the latest OTA? I'm confused because I was under the understanding that we needed to be on 2.13. Please clarify for me.
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No you don't, I ran meanrom a few days ago and today I switched to viper 2.02. Meanroms kernel installer worked fine, viper required fastboot but both run fine
Thanks for the quick response. Wow, I feel like a dumb *ss now. I've been holding out trying any new roms because I didn't want to come off of hboot 1.15.
Which rom do you like better so far between viper and mikey's?
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The level of customization on viper is crazy, meanrom runs great with evilz kernel and is closer to stock. I'm still sifting through the different mods for viper and I've yet to check out any themes but so far but I'm still digging through it all

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