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Hello fellow members.
As a mod to this Forum, i have opened this thread to address issues faced by the users related to this sub-forum. No problems related to the device will be entertained in this thread.
all users are requested to put forward their issues in this thread and i shall look into it and do the best to put away with ne such issues.
cheers.
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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What about just making the most useful one sticky, clean the waste out of them and close them?
So this ones would be the reference.
Within first post could a link to a discussion thread.
This behavior works very well over at gsmfreeboard.com .
My Idea: put all good guides into an own sub category "Guides".
These Guides should be closed. If there are any increments, these Posts / Threads could be opened for a short period of time.
They can be edited by the thread starter / poster anyways.
Then there should be a second sub category "Discussion on Guides", where common users can ask everything, regarding the posts.
I have a suggestion for a new sub-forum. Something along the lines of "X10 Café" where the discussions could be informal for more general ramblings about the X10. I hesitate to call it off-topic since the topic would be the X10. Think of it like a free-for-all with general decency rules, no flaming, no personal attacks but an otherwise open place where we can air grievances or just toss around ideas.
That way general can be more about news, events and so on while the speculation and what have you goes on in the Café. It would make keeping up with the forum a lot easier since it should be a place that you don't really "have" to read.
well i like both the ideas..
lemme consult with my fellow mods for futher actions..
Maybe you can stick a link to the Wiki X10 Page and edit this Wiki page to add links to useful posts in the forum ?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SonyEricssonXperiaX10
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
I started reading on XDA since 2 weeks when I bought my first droid phone (the X10 obviously ). This is my first post though because for every question I had i was able to find the answer in the forums.
The real PITA was when I started reading the rooting and custom rom dev threads where seriously 80% of the posters are either off topic, flaming or simply asking questions that already have been asked AND answered earlier.
As previous poster said I wouldn't mind that mods would apply temp bans to flamers and off topic poster or even perm bans when people continue to do so.
I did read in another x10 subforum that there was a X10 mod appointed (dunno if there are more than one), but unfortunately haven't seen much of that person specifically on those rooting and rom dev threads where they would have been most wanted.
It is nice to see that you are now taking the time to get something constructive going on. Regarding current topics it probably will be too much effort cleaning those up so it might be better to simply close those topics, start new ones and apply some stricter modding on those (including the temp/perm bans).
I sure would love to see the x10 devs coming back to these forums to discuss there progress on the X10 rooting for example, but they won't unless something is really done against these unnecesarry flaming/off topic/unnecesarry questions posts.
Regards,
Stephan
PS as soon as I have something in my paypal account again I will donate something towards this forum for the good work you guys are doing
we are too many, so dont blame anybody... things are like they're
FRiKiNFRoG said:
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
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+1 here also i feel that you are talking about me
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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thanks allot you are the only one here that understands me right . may be i cannot say what i really mean with writing as english is not my main language , but they don't give me any chance . sorry for going out of topic but i wanted to illustrate my point . good luck cleaning
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as I only read threads and rarely look at who posted. My point wasn't to accuse anyone. But warning to off topics and complainers should be sent, failing to change their behavior should lead to more action.
Yes these are more suggestions than issues we have, but I think most of the people know what are the issues. The main one being 'talking in a thread about anything'. Most of the useful threads have a self-explanatory title, reading the original post usually tells a user where he wants to go with the thread he created.
I know some might 'sound' harsh or rude but personally I don't really mind that as long as it does not become a flaming war/troll feeding discussion. But keeping a discussion on the right direction is probably the most important thing in such a huge forum. Then the search tool comes handy when the discussion is going one way.
Warning/temp/perm banning. Sending public message to people saying 'please stop' is not going to work. A temp ban with a nice message included stating what he did wrong should be effective in most cases. Failing to comply after 'x' warnings/temp ban, bye bye we do not need you (They can still read threads, they'll just stop posting what devs don't need).
I'm not pissed or angry at anyone, I'm just one of those people who thinks that moderation is important. The easier/cleaner it is for everyone, the faster we'll get the good news/progress. This site is one big community, let's make it look good/the best there is.
well.. right now m cleaning up threads and rest assured that all off topic posts, flames wars will be stopped from now on..
lets get ourselves together and make this forum productive..
cheers
Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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you are right i see this usless replies not only here but on all forums ,why don't he just tell the answer ,new members don't think about search they are still new when i was juinor member i faced allot of these replies . if any body don't want to help just don't reply
Pointing the right direction if you can yes, not answering like an a**hole to a newcomer yes. But there is nothing wrong about telling them politely to search, we might know there is a thread on a subject, but pointing them to the right direction is also searching for them in some/most cases. All forums work pretty much the same, joining one means learning how to use it/navigate it.
Search is the biggest tool there is on the internet. This is how you find what you want, this is how you find answers. Internet is full of it. The faster you start, the more stuff you'll get out of it.
BTW: Answering like a a**hole to a newcomer is also worthy of warnings and ban. It's part of the issue too.
I'm all about common sense.
You can generally class users in 3 categories. The devs, the supporters, and the noobs. The devs are resourceful enough to not care, because they'll always find a way to get things done. The supporters have kinda a clue about what's going on, and are always trying to enforce rules to keep the noobs in order. The noobs almost always assume a hierarchy of power, try to suck up, seek attention, and post ridiculous amounts of crap to get out of trouble/sound smart/kiss ass.
So understanding this dynamics, devs really don't care about flaming and junk, they just want to get product out. Supporters need to learn to refrain, not feed the troll and stop thinking they are better than noobs. Noobs usually just chat amongst themselves if left alone, and are mostly harmless.
The only thing that need to happen here is a set of clear guidelines for noobs to read about when to post, where to post, and when not to post. Also, clean up the place from its state now so people don't get the idea that it's okay to post crap. Maybe a reminder (after submission of a post) for users with low post count to remind them useless junk are indeed useless and bin-worthy.
While there are many reasons one might want a smartphone, my chief reason for wanting an android smartphone was ideological: software should be free/ capable devices shouldn't be hobbled/ users' right to understand and control their devices, etc. I'm a total n00b in the scheme of things, but I've been trying to gradually gain an understanding of how everything works, and (for me) screwing things up is often the best to learn. The vibrant was an excellent choice for me, I've had it since the end of summer and have been having a lot of fun seeing what I can do with it while following the dev community here. So after flashing lord knows how many roms/kernels/modems etc in the past few months with mixed results (some went smoothly as anticipated, others not so much lol), this is the big question on my mind: What rules of thumb can help me avoid being a n00b forever?
In the threads about almost all roms/kernels, there are countless "KTHX DUDE IS THIS SAFE TO FLASH OVER XXXXXXX THAT I'M RUNNING???? AND EVEN THO THIS POST IS 39 SECONDS OLD, HOW IS BATTERY???"
Not that i'm even allowed to post in the vibrant android dev forum atm, but when I am, I don't wanna be that guy. So, other than trial by fire or waiting to see how more intrepid members have fared, how do you figure out the answer to that question? I'm assuming system build (i.e. KA2/KB1/etc...not sure if that's what to call it) has something to do with it, as well as filesystem configuration...but that's not specific enough for me to establish anything other than that I should really make a nandroid backup JIC...
Any helpful rules of thumb? I know getting a better understanding of the system in general is the REAL answer, but i figure this is a start right here ;x
Thanks in advance!
Nico
Read everything you can before posting questions!
Try and solve the problem yourself. For me the fun of modding your phone is in the process, not the end result. (I think of the result as a reward for my work)
Find joy in using your knowledge before crying for help.
Post mature, concise, intelligent and grammatically correct responses.
Don't demand or expect help, this forum is a privilege.
HAVE FUN. If something is a chore to you, it begs the question "Why am I even doing this?".
Lastly, respect fellow forum members! We're all here for the same reason.
There isn't a book you can read that will transform you from a noob to a 1337hax0r overnight. It takes years of learning and practice to become a developer, but if you're patient and not annoying, you will still be respected here.
Also I see alot of people asking the same questions over and over. To kinda check to see if the question you want to ask has been asked just take a little time and use the search function for the thread. You will be surprised.
Like joey and tc said. Before I joined the forums I lurked and lurked for months just reading all the stickies, checking all the questions being asked and scanning the rom threads for useful info. You never want to be the battery question guy or the disable voodoo person.
I'm still building my "street cred" here before I start a question thread. If you see a new guy asking a question, try and help out. point them to the answer with a smile. Most of all have fun.
im a new vibrant owner.. and i heard about those rom.. what are those rom?? why should i flash them on my phone?? what are the benefits of it?? where can I find all the list of rom?? any suggestions of whats the best rom to flash??? what are you guys using?? sorry for many questions but answering any of them would be appreciated. thank you...
Welcome vibrant is a awesome phone.
Just so you know there is no best rom for all people . If there was we wouldnt have so many developers.
As rom is basically your phones operating system .
Why flash one ? I do it because I like to tinker. These guys often skin the roms much better than samsung.
I also like freedom of choice and added speed boost.
Often times our developers update the roms faster than the companies do!
You will have to try these roms for yourself to see which one is best .
I am fascinated and captivated by the vibrant screen on my epic galaxy s.
Hey man sorry if this seems a bit rude but ,why are you posting such lame questions, when you havent even READ all the avalible info concerning your questions first? Instead of being lazy and asking the members here to do it for you? This web site gets eaten up by precious bandwith by frivous redundant questions all the time that can be answered [most likely] with all the stickys including well thought out bibles, and so on! Do your due dilegence first then if all fails then ask a question here! Most of the veterans here bend over backwards here to help, but when you registered it asked you to read and search first, before asking redundant questions that most likely have already been asked!
try all of them
Careful with your questions, there are some mean people in here. But it is true, read up as much as you can before you ask. Here is some useful information on how to go on with your Vibrant, once you get a kick start, you'll be fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771111
Enjoy!
Isn't this the q&a forum?? yes, i did read stuffs on the developers area and sorry for being noob that I can't understand them which leads me here on "Vibrant Q&A" forum. Anyways, thanks for those who answered some of my questions.
Welcome to the forum, my few bits of advice would be before trying any rom read the responses people have made in that roms installation guide. You'll see what problems people commonly encounter when rushing into things, and learn how to avoid them. Make sure you read everything carefully and dont follow directions for any phone other than the model you have.
Be warned flashing firmware is dangerous even when done right. Take every precaution, make backups! Read directions twice! That said, welcome once again and good luck.
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Noobie woes
chase15 said:
Isn't this the q&a forum?? yes, i did read stuffs on the developers area and sorry for being noob that I can't understand them which leads me here on "Vibrant Q&A" forum. Anyways, thanks for those who answered some of my questions.
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OK bro well sorry for leaning hard on ya, you see I myself am a noob here, but I read everything I could , but the key to reading here is to understand the definition of terminology first and the bible that has these terms is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771111
Also here is the addy for the first suggested bible to read first: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876779
Also here's some excellent easy to understand tutorials: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938875
Look its not that I don't feel your frustration, but ya gotta do some work at this first!
Then if you've made a gallant effort to educate yourself on what to do, then there are people here who will hold your hand as you proceed, some others aren't as patient or understanding, only because they are prolly burned out from all the noobs such as you and I, who have asked questions not really necessary, when we could've answered them ourselves! So with all that being said, good luck and take a few breaths, I myself am still overwhelmed with info saturation and am currently still confused on some issues! But I keep reading and dissecting the info till it gels together in my head, and then I go step by step, but I always make backups and have the proper programs and apps installed to rescue myself from bricking the phone!
Sadly enough there is much chat in threads.
Even a comparison about the Arc and X10 in a thread about a mod.
Would it be possible to just remove posts that are really off-topic?
15 pages for a thread with <10 really on-topic posts
that's an awful lot of time spent sifting through threads and threads full of crap...
I completely agree. Please somebody do something about this. Start giving out bans. The ratio of crap to actual development talk is at least 10-1. It seriously hinders the ability of the forum to facilitate collaboration on the projects being done.
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I completely agree. Please somebody do something about this. Start giving out bans. The ratio of crap to actual development talk is at least 10-1. It seriously hinders the ability of the forum to facilitate collaboration on the projects being done.
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i've been on xda for quite some time, and i will admit that the x10 forums are the biggest cluster of useless banter, repetitive topics/questions and un-uniformed threads.
however, this is not the mods faults. there are posts for rules, and outlines for thread title structures and thread behavior. however, it seems that a lot of the x10 owners have a hard time following these rules and guidelines.
i can't imagine how anyone new to the game could come here and follow anything as far as learning how to mod their x10.
Just a hint: This might be more effective if it was in the correct forum.
Hard to ***** when you're part of the problem...
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Just a hint: This might be more effective if it was in the correct forum.
Hard to ***** when you're part of the problem...
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+1 Especially since the same threads are just as full of these type posts and rude people who take the time and space to ***** rather than just answering someone's question or simply moving on.
wait a second...arent you doing that right now?
Let's just end it here,
no *****ing!
we're all nice people
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Hi,
I like stuff.
Dienda has a message for ya
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wait a second...arent you doing that right now?
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True. I am just trying to make the point that there is a lot of both going on. (It seems you got my point...it's borderline hypocrisy)
I find myself in the middle. The only time I get frustrated is when I'm searching for an answer or it's a guide or tutorial. It boils down to time savings.
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Sadly enough there is much chat in threads.
Even a comparison about the Arc and X10 in a thread about a mod.
Would it be possible to just remove posts that are really off-topic?
15 pages for a thread with <10 really on-topic posts
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Can you please report the threads or posts .
As you may know we are not 24/7 on xda and doing this will help a lot.
I'll move this thread since it's in the wrong section
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i can't imagine how anyone new to the game could come here and follow anything as far as learning how to mod their x10.[/QUOTE]
I must count myself as someone who may not be following all the rules. After following the forums for 6 months and having rooted, xrecovery, tweaked build.prop as well as flashing and bricking two phones, I am finding it hard to move onto a newer rom.
The search function on XDA seems to rely mostly on tags. I get better results trying Google. Only 1 of 5 XDA searches even returns any results at all and often not confined to the subforums I wanted. When posting I do check the suggestions that the system shows as related but again it is inaccurate.
Finally the devs have moved to a short form install which has more steps than in the past. At first we had all inclusive roms which updated baseband and 'firmware'. Now we have many that are parts; baseband and firmware can be independent installs. Dual touch can be separated or not. On top of this we have the roms which have the SE apps or not, other OEM apps or interfaces or themes pre-installed. It's confusion for everyone.
The threads started several versions of some of the roms earlier and many posts do not have a relationship anymore to the current version. It's time to trash the thread and start anew with a locked sticky that has only the instructions and current links.
While the devs have made great strides with the instructions, I believe most of the readers here want as few steps as possible without branches and a return to the all-inclusive roms would simplify life for most people instead of trying to figure out what the baseband or preinstalling dual touch or a newer generic SE rom as a prerequisite is needed to get to the rom that we are trying to install.
JMHO.
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Can you please report the threads or posts .
As you may know we are not 24/7 on xda and doing this will help a lot.
I'll move this thread since it's in the wrong section
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Will do. Thanks, Clown.
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The search function on XDA seems to rely mostly on tags. I get better results trying Google. Only 1 of 5 XDA searches even returns any results at all and often not confined to the subforums I wanted. When posting I do check the suggestions that the system shows as related but again it is inaccurate.
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By far the best way to search is going to Google and using "site:http://forum.xda-developers.com X10 Blah blah blah". I don't even bother with the xda search anymore.
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Finally the devs have moved to a short form install which has more steps than in the past. At first we had all inclusive roms which updated baseband and 'firmware'. Now we have many that are parts; baseband and firmware can be independent installs. Dual touch can be separated or not. On top of this we have the roms which have the SE apps or not, other OEM apps or interfaces or themes pre-installed. It's confusion for everyone.
The threads started several versions of some of the roms earlier and many posts do not have a relationship anymore to the current version. It's time to trash the thread and start anew with a locked sticky that has only the instructions and current links.
While the devs have made great strides with the instructions, I believe most of the readers here want as few steps as possible without branches and a return to the all-inclusive roms would simplify life for most people instead of trying to figure out what the baseband or preinstalling dual touch or a newer generic SE rom as a prerequisite is needed to get to the rom that we are trying to install.
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I'm not trying to be a ****, but this is xda-developers, not xda-"cool **** for your phone". This is a place for development, and while the community is here to help everyone learn, people get the priorities wrong. There is a time and place for questions (In the Q&A section), and it's NOT the dev threads.
Threads in "Android Development" should be just that; It really hurts everyone when the ROM threads get filled with "How do I flash this?" and "Where's the download for X?". It's not the dev's duty to hold the hand of everyone who doesn't know what xRecovery is. I've installed nearly every ROM for the X10, and I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to do it, you shouldn't be in the Android Development forum in the first place.
There are a million threads on how to root, JIT, and flash custom ROMs, yet we still see new "HOW TO SPEED UP UR EXPERIA!!!" and "I want this rom, HOW?" threads every day. It's crazy that people can't read the stickies and ask in the correct forum. The post count restriction for dev forums was a start, but I think we see far too few bans for outright disregard for devs and the forum rules.
This is all JMHO, of course, but I'm sure I'm not alone in these sentiments.
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Can you please report the threads or posts .
As you may know we are not 24/7 on xda and doing this will help a lot.
I'll move this thread since it's in the wrong section
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I am glad notice is being taken of the sad trend in some of the xda-developers.com forums. I would humbly like to suggest that a 'report this' tag is included on threads for members to indicate to 'mods' that a particular comment is starting a 'flame war.' Habitual 'flammers' and obnoxious behaviour can then be quickly identified and appropriate action taken against them.
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I am glad notice is being taken of the sad trend in some of the xda-developers.com forums. I would humbly like to suggest that a 'report this' tag is included on threads for members to indicate to 'mods' that a particular comment is starting a 'flame war.' Habitual 'flammers' and obnoxious behaviour can then be quickly identified and appropriate action taken against them.
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I apologise there is indeed a report 'triangle' but it is rather inconspicous and easily missed. It will be great it is elevated to the same format as the 'Thanks" or 'Qoute' buttons
What's even worse than spam in threads? Threads made *****ing about it.
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What's even worse than spam in threads? Threads made *****ing about it.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
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And posts *****ing about threads *****ing about it.
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I'm not trying to be a ****, but this is xda-developers, not xda-"cool **** for your phone". This is a place for development, and while the community is here to help everyone learn, people get the priorities wrong. There is a time and place for questions (In the Q&A section), and it's NOT the dev threads.
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Sure, Q&A section. But it IS xda-cool **** for your phone.
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Threads in "Android Development" should be just that; It really hurts everyone when the ROM threads get filled with "How do I flash this?" and "Where's the download for X?". It's not the dev's duty to hold the hand of everyone who doesn't know what xRecovery is. I've installed nearly every ROM for the X10, and I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to do it, you shouldn't be in the Android Development forum in the first place.
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This contradicts what you've said the in the first segment, we're here to learn, and you can only do that with all the language differences here when clear instructions are listed. Forums/websites all around the world, such as Android Central, Gizmodo/Engadget etc., all point readers to here for many handsets. XDA is NEWS as much as anything else.
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There are a million threads on how to root, JIT, and flash custom ROMs, yet we still see new "HOW TO SPEED UP UR EXPERIA!!!" and "I want this rom, HOW?" threads every day. It's crazy that people can't read the stickies and ask in the correct forum. The post count restriction for dev forums was a start, but I think we see far too few bans for outright disregard for devs and the forum rules.
This is all JMHO, of course, but I'm sure I'm not alone in these sentiments.
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I do understand your frustration with users both personally and professionally- they're a PITA. Unfortunately users are what programmers have to cater to- as cool as something might be as a developer- if it's unusable in a practical way, it's only instructional. If XDA's only for learning there's no need here for device specific forums or even posting roms, just post the code snippets that needed modification to get version x.y.z to work; then we can all make our own variant, after all the android SDK is free and was one of the original ways to sideload a app onto any phone. All of us devs have an Eclipse IDE, etc. only post code to compile and that will keep out the riffraff.
XDA doesn't have a Quality-Assurance group to validate posts or the qualifications of the devs or the roms they present or the instruction sheet. I'm sort of personally suspicious of just putting anything on my phone, as where better to hide something than in a rom, and Android already (as well as GSM itself) have enough security issues. Some of the install instructions have been very vague, and if you, as a dev, know the files you want everyone to try, are not xRecovery compatible or require a particular version of the FlashTool or root or whatever, say so upfront. While "I" know 435 is LATER than 453, 497 and 504, not everyone is familiar with all the x10 roms or knows to go to PTCRB to check which ones end in those numbers; therefore, post the entire firmware and baseband number and avoid that question. RTFM is a very old catchphrase that doesn't apply here since there is no manual since you're writing the manual NOW.
I personally support the locking of the dev threads with links to roms to anyone but the OP. Maybe there should be a "Enduser Firmware to Try" subforum which is readable by all, but only postable by mods/devs with firmware of a high enough quality and the ability to support end-users. I've bricked two phones before there was a way to debrick them that worked.
If devs want money or beer or free space in the cloud that's in my name, be upfront, be clear, be helpful and some percentage of the folks here will reward you just as they would pay DaVinci Wotan, Unlockitnow, et al.
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Sure, Q&A section. But it IS xda-cool **** for your phone.
This contradicts what you've said the in the first segment...
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No it isn't, and no it doesn't. There can be room for both (development / learning), but people don't seem to understand the boundaries of either.
I'm not here to argue, just stating my opinion.
on this site i notice everything suck as rooting instructions have (wifi only) after it...
mine is 3g also so is there a difference when rooting for the 3g to the wifi only?
and why isnt there anything here about the wifi and 3g model?
everyone has just recreated the wheel with more threads and instructions about rooting than i have had hot dinners.... is that just in case we dont understand the first one then you might with someone else....
tomjutla said:
on this site i notice everything suck as rooting instructions have (wifi only) after it...
mine is 3g also so is there a difference when rooting for the 3g to the wifi only?
and why isnt there anything here about the wifi and 3g model?
everyone has just recreated the wheel with more threads and instructions about rooting than i have had hot dinners.... is that just in case we dont understand the first one then you might with someone else....
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This is your first post on this forum, and you start a new thread to complain? Did you consider asking anyone a question, or maybe just reading first? Rooting guides are useful, even if duplicative. Complaint threads by brand new users are not. If we only had some moderators around here, this thread would be deleted soon....
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions &
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I just don't get it. Why not just delete this thread if you're going to go to the trouble of moving it? The OP was a 1-time poster and probably won't be back. Is there some rule against deleting threads? I know you have no such problem deleting posts that are critical of moderation....
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I just don't get it. Why not just delete this thread if you're going to go to the trouble of moving it? The OP was a 1-time poster and probably won't be back. Is there some rule against deleting threads? I know you have no such problem deleting posts that are critical of moderation....
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So you're asking for yours to be deleted for being critical of the moderation? JK
But yeah I've noticed you've had some issues with your posts being moderated before.
BTW You're probably right about the OP not coming back too.
While not wanting to start a small scale virtual war of words, he DID ask several questions, and frankly, I actually agree 100% with the OP. That is to say, there should be a dedicated sticky to rooting both the wifi and 3g/4g versions (with all other instances deleted). This would certainly help prevent a lot of the 100's of needless responsed to "I bricked my xx" etc that I've noticed on numerous forms.
To jump on someone because they make a suggestion, simply because they are new, smacks of elitist behaviour. Telling them to wade through 100's of irrelevant and, here's the important part, misleading posts is just plain mean. One thing I'd love to seem mandated/enforced is the inclusion of the exact model one is referring to when posting (especially when it comes to modifying OEM internals). This woud really go a long way in clarifying what is clearly confusing nomenclature (providing instructions to accomplish XX on a Galaxy tab or 10.1 etc provides little to no useful info - what was Samsung thinking when they names these?) There can be some serious hand-wringing moments when one is tinking with a $700 piece of hardware, especially if one accidently uses the wrong procedure on the wrong tab - the forums are full of pleas for assistance AFTER the fact because this lack of clarification. Tolerance and wisdom are what's called for here, not thumbing one's nose.
Canadian 10.1 4G - GT-7500D
ThomasClancy said:
While not wanting to start a small scale virtual war of words, he DID ask several questions, and frankly, I actually agree 100% with the OP. That is to say, there should be a dedicated sticky to rooting both the wifi and 3g/4g versions (with all other instances deleted). This would certainly help prevent a lot of the 100's of needless responsed to "I bricked my xx" etc that I've noticed on numerous forms.
To jump on someone because they make a suggestion, simply because they are new, smacks of elitist behaviour. Telling them to wade through 100's of irrelevant and, here's the important part, misleading posts is just plain mean. One thing I'd love to seem mandated/enforced is the inclusion of the exact model one is referring to when posting (especially when it comes to modifying OEM internals). This woud really go a long way in clarifying what is clearly confusing nomenclature (providing instructions to accomplish XX on a Galaxy tab or 10.1 etc provides little to no useful info - what was Samsung thinking when they names these?) There can be some serious hand-wringing moments when one is tinking with a $700 piece of hardware, especially if one accidently uses the wrong procedure on the wrong tab - the forums are full of pleas for assistance AFTER the fact because this lack of clarification. Tolerance and wisdom are what's called for here, not thumbing one's nose.
Canadian 10.1 4G - GT-7500D
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If you're supporting the the Op... Why didn't you answer all the specific questions?
While I dont mind the op posting in the right place even though new and every one was new once, wading through hundreds if not thousands of posts, has helped me learn so much I wouldn't want to have done it any other way. I'm even glad I semi bricked mine a few times.
I agree naming threads could be improved.
There are also threads that tell you what exactly what hardware you have which should be read BEFORE doing anything in threads with a warning at the beginning of most if not all them. There are posts specific to your device IF you know what your device actually is before you [email protected] with it. I learned this the hard way myself. So if you know what your device is and are in the correct forum and thread you wouldn't have all the needless responses to "I bricked my xx". I think everyone should read to find out if they should be in the 10.1 or 10.1v forums or the threads are relevant to the device they have.
Mandating inclusion of exact models your post is for is moot because it's almost always there, at least in the OP. One must know what model they have before following the guide, thread, or post. This is what should be mandatory.
I agree fully with the tolerance issue. It just gets very hard to be tolerant with someone having problems because they followed a guide or post NOT knowing what device they owned before messing with it. If you know what your device is you don't need to read irrelevant posts. This would keep responses from becoming elitist and mean for many people.
Anyway, I don't or didn't intend to be mean or come off as an elitist towards the op.
But that being said the way the forum is already setup, if you are a noob, as I myself still am, you have to read a$$loads of threads before [email protected] with your device. If you don't do it before you will be doing it after you [email protected] up you device because you didn't take the time beforehand.
The only solution currently is to read and get your facts down first. Then proceed. Unless someone is going to spend thousands of hours renaming and cleaning up threads and then spend the rest of their life constantly modding the forum for free as mods already try to do for free.
The preceding post is just my opinion and rambling no offence or ill will is intended or should be taken.
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Re: Why didn't I answer OP's Q's
Simple... I am in the same boat. I have the 4G, and have read hundreds of posts (if not more). I am unable to locate with 100% ceertainty the info I am seeking. It seems most all threads are contaminated with bits from WiFi, 4G, HSPA+ etc so it's a crap shoot. I believe you just commented on another thread where-by someone did follow a document for "4G" with rotten results due to the fact that 4G really isn't 4G on some networks (HSPA+) - this drives home my point entirely. It is necessary for complete disclosure (model types, carrier etc) when contributing to such a thread. As for stating the OP should know exactly what hardware they have, true, but they can only go by what's on the box Knowing what I have, and coming here trusting "experts" doesn't preclude the "experts" from providing an answer that doesn't match the OPs hardware. The problem isn't with the OP, the issue in that case is which folks giving "THE" answer (in good faith of course) which happens to be incorrect. Either way, having 100% accurate stickies, in my opinion, should be a priority. Allowing misinformation (however well intentioned) to remain on a resource/reference board is somewhat irresponsible.
I think you're blaming the posters wrongly. The blame falls with on the manufacturers and the people modding devices just by name not by actual device. IMHO
Yes, I replied to a post about the misleading naming of devices, but ultimately responsibility of knowing what device your modding falls upon the modder. Not the posters or even the manufacturers.
Should the manufacturers change their practice? Not really. They don't want you to mod it in the first place, but yes they are wrong for false advertising basically.
Posters can only assume you have what you say you have as far as specific devices. So they are just responding to the best of their ability not being able to know anything except what you tell them. They can't read minds and can't be expected to keep up with all the devices that may not really be what the manufacturers call them.
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