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Does anyone have any idea what the average markup is on cell phones? They are getting damn expensive, more than tabs and laptops, and I would assume they are making a nice profit. Anyone work for a cell company that knows? I am definitely curious.
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sprintuser1977 said:
Does anyone have any idea what the average markup is on cell phones? They are getting damn expensive, more than tabs and laptops, and I would assume they are making a nice profit. Anyone work for a cell company that knows? I am definitely curious.
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Well as far as actual unit costs of the phone, I don't know but these carriers pay a lot more for the phones than we do so they lose money on the actual sale of the phone but they make that money back and then some when we sign up for a 2 years contract or ETF's if we decide to cancel early. So I guess your question should be what is the average cost to maintain and provide service for each account and/or line.
I used to work in retail (radioshack) I don't remember what we paid for the 3d, but the evo 4g retailed at $499.99 and warehouse cost was $494.99, so profit margin isn't much at all. Carriers and retailers make money off of the contract. Usually first year is making up for the loss on the handset, and the second year is profit. Retailers like RS, BB, and WM get a commission from the carriers.
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Well as far as actual unit costs of the phone, I don't know but these carriers pay a lot more for the phones than we do so they lose money on the actual sale of the phone but they make that money back and then some when we sign up for a 2 years contract or ETF's if we decide to cancel early. So I guess your question should be what is the average cost to maintain and provide service for each account and/or line.
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Yeah, what he said is 100% true. I believe there is some loss at the motorola, HTC, level too initially also because the cost of manufacturing the technology when brand new is high. After x number of units is sold they break even, and then the cost of manufacturing decreases and they begin raking in profits again.
The same thing happens with other technology comes out too, that's why it is so important for these companies to either have a lot of capital, or capable of borrowing the money. Once the cost of research and development is made up, and cost of manufacturing goes down they begin making lots more money. If a device was designed poorly and popularity is low they get in a pretty tight spot.
sprintuser1977 said:
Does anyone have any idea what the average markup is on cell phones? They are getting damn expensive, more than tabs and laptops, and I would assume they are making a nice profit. Anyone work for a cell company that knows? I am definitely curious.
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Yeah, the tech itself is pretty expensive. Retailers aren't marking up more than 1-2% initially... If they're lucky. Most hardware is like that (Aside from desktop computers, and to a lesser extent, laptops). At my last job, we were actually losing money on all the game consoles we sold (Like 1-2 dollars, but still...) and phones were even worse.
It's all a scam. There hasn't been a new phone manufactured in 15 years. All these supposed "new" phones are just refurbished Nokias, or at least they have been since '96. Google it.
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This isn't true best buy makes it up to what 600 or 700 lol well other charge 499.
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flonker said:
It's all a scam. There hasn't been a new phone manufactured in 15 years. All these supposed "new" phones are just refurbished Nokias, or at least they have been since '96. Google it.
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what the heck are you talking about. They did not have computers with processors like the ones in our phones 15 years ago. Try using anything from then and tell me that there has been no progress. Man I hope you were kidding about this.
I know when i used to be a manager at toys r us we would only make $5 on video game systems. Our money was made on the games. In the same reasoning with the sale of phones and signing contracts. I just find it crazy some of these phones are way more expensive than laptops and the only diff sometimes is the laptop doesnt make calls
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what the heck are you talking about. They did not have computers with processors like the ones in our phones 15 years ago. Try using anything from then and tell me that there has been no progress. Man I hope you were kidding about this.
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Lol your funny if u thought he was serious.
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ckoadiyn said:
This isn't true best buy makes it up to what 600 or 700 lol well other charge 499.
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That's true on the bestbuy part. Imho, they don't want people to buy them outright... that, and they still want to make a nice profit on the devices.
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sprintuser1977 said:
I know when i used to be a manager at toys r us we would only make $5 on video game systems. Our money was made on the games. In the same reasoning with the sale of phones and signing contracts. I just find it crazy some of these phones are way more expensive than laptops and the only diff sometimes is the laptop doesnt make calls
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Kinda the same thing with the phones. Profit margin is EXTREMELY small on the device (unless it's Best buy) but they make up for it with accessories (which is why when you buy a phone from radioshack, if that store has a good district manager, they will try to cram accessories down your throat).
When the iPhone 4 came out, I think I read somewhere that it was costing apple around $195 to make each phone. I would imagine most phones are pretty similar. The manufacturers actually make quite a bit. The carriers and other retailers don't too much (except best buy of course).
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lyon21 said:
When the iPhone 4 came out, I think I read somewhere that it was costing apple around $195 to make each phone. I would imagine most phones are pretty similar. The manufacturers actually make quite a bit. The carriers and other retailers don't too much (except best buy of course).
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http://www.gizmag.com/apple-cost-iphone4/15583/
close... wow I never would've thought that... makes me wonder how much our evo 3d's cost to build... To the google!
Yea im wanting that galaxy note baad but the cheapest i have seen it is like $760. Insane
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No way the profit margins are that bad. Look at tablet prices, they for the most part are nowhere near 700 or 800. and they still make money off them and a lot of them are the same hardware as the phones with a bigger screen.
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Lol your funny if u thought he was serious.
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I know but still you have got to be kidding me.
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I know but still you have got to be kidding me.
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Oh I am quite serious.
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Oh I am quite serious.
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Then explain
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Drewmungus said:
No way the profit margins are that bad. Look at tablet prices, they for the most part are nowhere near 700 or 800. and they still make money off them and a lot of them are the same hardware as the phones with a bigger screen.
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Yeah but you didn't consider the super micro architecture. It takes a lot to manufacture a processor this powerful, with such low voltage and low heat
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Does anyone have any idea what the average markup is on cell phones? They are getting damn expensive, more than tabs and laptops, and I would assume they are making a nice profit. Anyone work for a cell company that knows? I am definitely curious.
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my view is different then others here, i dont care what the price markup is...i have family all over the world...it keeps me intouch with them in a instant. if the phones was 1500...i would not care. what these phones do and the time they save more then makes up for the cost. and reality is..profits are only earned if the phone is good enough...how many phones does htc make? billions in r&d...plus phones that did not sell...
Title says it all im selling.
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Condition pending ...
If the device has been "fully and properly" returned to stock software, and is in excellent cosmetic condition...
Then $200 may be a bit low..
But if you sell it rooted ....and it has a few scratches or marks on the bezels or screen, then $200 is fair.
Of course, it really comes down to the right buyer, and what they are willing to pay.
And for the record, I am an advocate of honest dealing between buyer and seller.
Nothing makes a person more upset than buying blind, and having their trust betrayed...
So if any issues exist with the device, disclose them up front ...IMHO ....g
Appreciate the advice and i believe in the same. ill ask the buyer what they want rooted or not. and I'd return it to stock. Also I'm throwing in 2 cases and a spare extended battery.
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$200 is on the low end for a one in great condition.
You'll know if its too low if you get a lot of hits for it (Craigslist) and people want to buy it immediately.
Why go through the extra steps of rooting it? To me that makes the phone look like its been run through the ringer...
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$200 is on the low end for a one in great condition.
You'll know if its too low if you get a lot of hits for it (Craigslist) and people want to buy it immediately.
Why go through the extra steps of rooting it? To me that makes the phone look like its been run through the ringer...
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Im selling on ebay and didn't get any hits till i lowered price from 400 to 200 not even at 300 i hit any replies. My girl got me this in june for 500 its in the same condition i got it. And that was amazon. maybe ill resell on amazon. i take good care of my devices never broke nor scratched any of them. And im sure i can get higher than 200 there no scratches on screen or bezel. That are noticeable. .
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Plus it came rooted although seller didn't state so.
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I would think thats a good price , BUT.. it's 2 weeks before Christmas....
People need their dough for other holiday giving.
It's going to sell when the right prospect sees it...
Youde probally have better luck getting more money if you wait till after the holidays..
when folks are ready to spend money$ on them selves..
IMHO.. good luck
yes, yes it is.to low.. but its market sell value.. here in bc canada 300$ is the bottom price.. but no one is buying when you can sign up for a 3 year and get a new note 2 for 200$
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I would think thats a good price , BUT.. it's 2 weeks before Christmas....
People need their dough for other holiday giving.
It's going to sell when the right prospect sees it...
Youde probally have better luck getting more money if you wait till after the holidays..
when folks are ready to spend money$ on them selves..
IMHO.. good luck
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I was just on ebay because im selling mine and 200 is a bit low.
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I paid $80 haha. $18 to unlock, $ 9.50 for new glass. That's for the birds yo, cheap, cheap.
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Selling
Look at swappa.com
Total cost to sell is $10.00
I always sell my phones through Kijiji, find it faster and no fees.
I have 29 mins till sale is over should i end item 255 is highest bid
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The real bidding happens in the last 5 minutes..
You pay your money.you take your chances
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The real bidding happens in the last 5 minutes..
You pay your money.you take your chances
written in your mud with my stick
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So true, you can get up to 3 to 5 bids at the last second for reasonably popular items
Way low....350 is the average price I am seeing for this phone on Craigslist, more on ebay.
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Way low....350 is the average price I am seeing for this phone on Craigslist, more on ebay.
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True, but its hard to get that price locally when people will constantly compare your price to the latest phone.
What i heard once; S4 is coming out so you should drop the price on your S2.
made me chuckle
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True, but its hard to get that price locally when people will constantly compare your price to the latest phone.
What i heard once; S4 is coming out so you should drop the price on your S2.
made me chuckle
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On a positive note the S3 goes for around $400-$450 online so you could work your way up.
If you still have it I'll trade you my one x that's in my signature.
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Well. I'm a ri-tard. You know like RainMan...
I unlocked my Note and sold it for $350
Went to AT&T store to buy a Note2 with my 50% off work discount. Their system says my discount is 50% off NEW lines. (Which is stupid because then it's more than new line price AND totally different of what my paper from work says)
So, anyways, now I'm on the hunt for something else. BTW: The prices for GN2 and GS3 on Craigslist is INSANE!
I came into this forum with Angst from the other Asshat filled sections of XDA and found a great group of helpful people! (Especially FJ, one of the coolest devs I've ever interacted with!!!) Hopefully I added in something somewhere along the lines.
~Catch ya on the flipside~
HTC one x you can get for a very reasonable price just have to deal with piss poor battery life(my own personal experience maybe you will have different experience) also if you have 350 from your og note you should be able to find a gs3 for not that much more maybe like $50 more on eBay. You may miss the big screen(as if 4.8 is small Lol) but the amount if development on the s3 more than makes up for it.
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there is always another way to try and get the note 2...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2103062
Well, got an S3 on the cheap. Its no Note but Ahh well
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Try windows phone 8 for a little while until gs4 comes out. HTC 8x is a sweet piece of hardware.
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joe3681 said:
Well. I'm a ri-tard. You know like RainMan...
I unlocked my Note and sold it for $350
Went to AT&T store to buy a Note2 with my 50% off work discount. Their system says my discount is 50% off NEW lines. (Which is stupid because then it's more than new line price AND totally different of what my paper from work says)
So, anyways, now I'm on the hunt for something else. BTW: The prices for GN2 and GS3 on Craigslist is INSANE!
I came into this forum with Angst from the other Asshat filled sections of XDA and found a great group of helpful people! (Especially FJ, one of the coolest devs I've ever interacted with!!!) Hopefully I added in something somewhere along the lines.
~Catch ya on the flipside~
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Should have hit me up. I would have given you a great deal on my Note. Oh well! Enjoy your current/future devices!
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Should have hit me up. I would have given you a great deal on my Note. Oh well! Enjoy your current/future devices!
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I'll keep that in mind! Idk how long this will last lol
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Sucks the Trade section isn't open anymore. Been looking for a N7000/N4/S3 for awhile now, but everyone on Craigs wants money and overprice everything including the N4 which is out of control.
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joe3681 said:
Well. I'm a ri-tard. You know like RainMan...
I unlocked my Note and sold it for $350
Went to AT&T store to buy a Note2 with my 50% off work discount. Their system says my discount is 50% off NEW lines. (Which is stupid because then it's more than new line price AND totally different of what my paper from work says)
So, anyways, now I'm on the hunt for something else. BTW: The prices for GN2 and GS3 on Craigslist is INSANE!
I came into this forum with Angst from the other Asshat filled sections of XDA and found a great group of helpful people! (Especially FJ, one of the coolest devs I've ever interacted with!!!) Hopefully I added in something somewhere along the lines.
~Catch ya on the flipside~
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I had a somewhat simular experience when I bought my Note. The sales rep at the first AT&T store I went to told me I was not yet eligible for an upgrade, based on whatever database he consulted. That was different from what my previous sales receipt said. Rather than argue I went to a different AT&T store in another part of town and found a sales rep that would listen to my side of the argument. She called the mother ship to talk to someone with the right authority and kept the conversation going until I got the Note I wanted. Based on that experience I would suggest trying a different location. Reliance on finding a sympathetic sales rep is NOT a business model I would condone, but this time that strategy worked.
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Well, got an S3 on the cheap. Its no Note but Ahh well
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With the exception of the screen size and s pen(if you even use it) gs3 is better phone in my opinion. You should flash illusion 4.2.1 ROM by itsmikeramsey. Damn near perfect
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As soon as the Sony Xperia Z is released on at&t I will probably jump the Samsung train...
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I recently purchased a Note from Gazelle's Ebay store for a pretty decent price. I'm not sure what your price range is but I was able to pick up an I-717 for $285.
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seems like dev for this phone stopped anyways.
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seems like dev for this phone stopped anyways.
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Fj released an update on his ICS rom on the 19th. Yea I know it's an ICS rom but since we still don't have official JB and there's rumors JB is right around the corner I think the devs are just waiting.
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kornklown69 said:
As soon as the Sony Xperia Z is released on at&t I will probably jump the Samsung train...
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That phone looks amazing! Too bad att will prolly get the ZL and rape it
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That's hardly....
joe3681 said:
Well. I'm a ri-tard. You know like RainMan...
I unlocked my Note and sold it for $350
Went to AT&T store to buy a Note2 with my 50% off work discount. Their system says my discount is 50% off NEW lines. (Which is stupid because then it's more than new line price AND totally different of what my paper from work says)
So, anyways, now I'm on the hunt for something else. BTW: The prices for GN2 and GS3 on Craigslist is INSANE!
I came into this forum with Angst from the other Asshat filled sections of XDA and found a great group of helpful people! (Especially FJ, one of the coolest devs I've ever interacted with!!!) Hopefully I added in something somewhere along the lines.
~Catch ya on the flipside~
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That's hardly the speech FJ and I were expecting you to give when we started campaigning for you as President.
My speech writers are on strike atm
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I got another Note and Flapp is gone. This is a sad, SAD day. Least I know where to get his stuff!
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I got another Note and Flapp is gone. This is a sad, SAD day. Least I know where to get his stuff!
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Not gone just relocated lol.
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Is it a good choice to go with? Let me know your thoughts.
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No, too many hardware issues and crappy build quality.
Get an iphone. They are very user friendly.
Yes is awesome
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Let's not turn this into a trollfest
Either recommend the phone or not
Obviously the OP has the opportunity to get one and wants to know if he should or not
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I've always bought a new phone every year until I got my Gnote. I've had it 1.5 years and still impressed with it!
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I've always bought a new phone every year until I got my Gnote. I've had it 1.5 years and still impressed with it!
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Had mine for about 8 months ....coming from the O.G. evo4g........loving my note
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I must say the phone has its ups and downs. If you can get it off contract for a good deal I would say go for it. If its a contract then I would save some more and get something newer
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Let's not turn this into a trollfest
Either recommend the phone or not
Obviously the OP has the opportunity to get one and wants to know if he should or not
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since our Moderator has explained the probability of your request, it now makes sense. not sure anyone understood your inquiry.
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I must say the phone has its ups and downs. If you can get it off contract for a good deal I would say go for it. If its a contract then I would save some more and get something newer
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as RQUIETT stated, yes this phone has its ups and downs as they all do.
I got my Infuse for 1 penny as a refurb and never had issue one with it. after Thanksgiving, I got my Note and 2 S3's for under $100, also refurbs.
well worth the money.
between contracts, data plans and need accessories and their availability, that's up to you. in my opinion, XDA is the one that keeps us current and keeps our Notes looking and feeling new and up to date
With the latest JB update, the phone is alot zippier. The hardware is still nowhere near the new phones, but it is more than enough for regular/daily use. And as mentioned before, there will be new updated ROMs to keep this phone going.
It sounds like OP is fine with the screen size, so if the price is reasonable (considering how old this phone is), I would recommend it.
Just note that the resale value might drop alot once the new Note 3 comes out later this year.
Ok thanks guys. I found it used. A family member will sell it to me for $150 and the note has no screen scratches and light scratches on the body. What do you guys think? Is it at a good price?
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Yes. In Vancouver Canada, you can flip it for at least $250.
Sounds like a deal! I bought one with one case for $300 and another with a few cases for $210. Hell, I'd buy another if I saw it for 150.
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Sounds like a deal! I bought one with one case for $300 and another with a few cases for $210. Hell, I'd buy another if I saw it for 150.
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Ok thanks. It's $150 for me only considering he's a family member. I'll buy this phone then.
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Wats up guys, well I bought two of these two days ago and thought to share it with everyone here at XDA. I trust the seller and if you dont its your own thing but hes selling brand new white back covers for our HTC AMAZE 4G for only $8.81 and FREE SHIPPING!!!!
Mods please dont remove this thread because its an ebay link, I am not selling these just letting you know, I just wanted to share with others. Heres the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281124879552?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
ONLY 2 LEFT SO YOU BETTER HURRY IF YOU WANT ONE!!! And check his other selling items because he has lots of OEM stuff and used versions of this cover. I'll be getting them in the mail by like next monday so I'll leave my feedback here.
Well I just got my two in the mail and they're horrible and not new at all. There are scratches and damages all over the case. I'm getting a replacement or money back somehow so I advise you guys not to buy it.
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kusso92 said:
Well I just got my two in the mail and they're horrible and not new at all. There are scratches and damages all over the case. I'm getting a replacement or money back somehow so I advise you guys not to buy it Lol.
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I just checked his/her feedback and it sucks, way too many complaints.
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I just checked his/her feedback and it sucks, way too many complaints.
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This is why I hesitate to buy stuff from Ebay. Tired of these junky sellers. Even some of the ones with <99.5% good feedback are troublesome. Maybe ebay should get a better feedback system.
Whos to say its not your eBay? Free advertising smart lol
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I prefer the black one anyway.
My phone was "white" and my daughters "black", but I swapped backs with her - and she wants the black one back, lol.
Well another update the seller sent a brand new replacement to me and then refunded me I guess I was being a little pushy and annoying but I got my money back and also kept the cases lol I have 3 white now and my old black one.
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Whos to say its not your eBay? Free advertising smart lol
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And yea I do I have an eBay but its not that one. I wish I was that established but I sell video game stuff. And trying to grow but its hard, my eBay user is ce-videogamezinc if you guys wanna check out my stuff. That's free advertising!!! Yay lol.
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