Poor graphics performance in NFS - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Poor graphics performance in NFS - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have experienced some pretty choppy graphics when playing NFS Most Wanted with my i9300. The game stutters from time to time and by the looks of it it seems rendered at 20-22 FPS (not terribly laggy, but it's not good below 24).
So I decided to port NFS Most Wanted from my GS3 to my GS1 (i9000), which was probably incompatible from the market because of the "old" hardware. To my surprise, the game was rendered at a steady 40+ FPS with only the occasional stutter when 3+ cops are after me and 5 cars are on display. This, on a 1.14 Ghz Exynos Single core processor with a PowerVR SGX 540 card running at 200 Mhz.
Can someone tell me what is the reason behind this? Is this a Mali (ARM) specific problem? A Mali 400 running at 533 Mhz with the Exynos Quad should be able to smoke the SGX 540 running at 200 Mhz. Yes the SGX is powering a WVGA display I know, but with over twice the clock rate I don't see why the Mali should perform worse!

Experienced the same. I thought it was just a laggy game but I tried it on an Xperia Ion and was suprised that it turned out smoother than the SIII

works fine here. stock unrooted atm. i'm guessing over 40fps.

nikpik said:
Experienced the same. I thought it was just a laggy game but I tried it on an Xperia Ion and was suprised that it turned out smoother than the SIII
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Ion has the Adreno 220 if i recall correctly? It should be more or less equal to Mali, but a Mali at that clock rate should be faster. Both the Ion and Sgs3 render 720p displays so its a fair fight there.
paintball23456 said:
works fine here. stock unrooted atm. i'm guessing over 40fps.
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I assume you are sticking with the stock clock rates as well (1.4 GHz CPU, 440 MHz GPU)? Are you on 4.1.2 or 4.1.1? I have tries both ELL5 4.1.2 and CM10.1 and they both produce similar results, but CM was slightly worse.
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ballsofsteel said:
Ion has the Adreno 220 if i recall correctly? It should be more or less equal to Mali, but a Mali at that clock rate should be faster. Both the Ion and Sgs3 render 720p displays so its a fair fight there.
I assume you are sticking with the stock clock rates as well (1.4 GHz CPU, 440 MHz GPU)? Are you on 4.1.2 or 4.1.1? I have tries both ELL5 4.1.2 and CM10.1 and they both produce similar results, but CM was slightly worse.
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stock 4.1.2 as i said unrooted. everything stock, clock speeds, drivers, etc. everything and works fine.

ballsofsteel said:
I have experienced some pretty choppy graphics when playing NFS Most Wanted with my i9300. The game stutters from time to time and by the looks of it it seems rendered at 20-22 FPS (not terribly laggy, but it's not good below 24).
So I decided to port NFS Most Wanted from my GS3 to my GS1 (i9000), which was probably incompatible from the market because of the "old" hardware. To my surprise, the game was rendered at a steady 40+ FPS with only the occasional stutter when 3+ cops are after me and 5 cars are on display. This, on a 1.14 Ghz Exynos Single core processor with a PowerVR SGX 540 card running at 200 Mhz.
Can someone tell me what is the reason behind this? Is this a Mali (ARM) specific problem? A Mali 400 running at 533 Mhz with the Exynos Quad should be able to smoke the SGX 540 running at 200 Mhz. Yes the SGX is powering a WVGA display I know, but with over twice the clock rate I don't see why the Mali should perform worse!
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I too have no problem running the game. Runs smooth. Currently on ultima ROM
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Evo 3d gpu

So is it true that the GPU on the EVO 3D sucks? Or is outdated? I've heard some people say its actually worse than the NS4G's GPU. I want to play some demanding games so the GPU to me is important. How will it run N64oid and the PSX emulator? I'm coming from the hero so there is no question there, but if what everyone says is true about it being worse than the NS4G's GPU then to me it's kind of a disappointment in that regard.

I guess I should rephrase one of my questions. I'm asking how it will run the emulators because I saw someone using a SG playing on the N64oid and it seemed pretty laggy, and if i'm not mistaken that has the same/similar GPU to the NS4G?

tannerw_2010 said:
So is it true that the GPU on the EVO 3D sucks? Or is outdated? I've heard some people say its actually worse than the NS4G's GPU. I want to play some demanding games so the GPU to me is important. How will it run N64oid and the PSX emulator? I'm coming from the hero so there is no question there, but if what everyone says is true about it being worse than the NS4G's GPU then to me it's kind of a disappointment in that regard.
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the emulators use the CPU, the Evo 3D will be fine, the PSX emulator runs fine on my 18 month old Desire

From everything that I have read, the 3D's GPU is suppose to be one of the best out right now.......

[email protected] said:
From everything that I have read, the 3D's GPU is suppose to be one of the best out right now.......
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Yeah, I've heard that too. So it makes me wonder whats really true? It might tell you something that I heard the GPU isn't very good from the NS boards ... but I think i've heard it on these boards too, just not near as much

Look up you tube videos of the gpu in action. Nuff said
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Maybe this will calm your fears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBuMW2f_NM

Here a better one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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The GPU in the Evo3D should be the best out right now. Supposed to be up to twice as fast/powerful as Tegra2. It does appear that some optimizations need to be done to take advantage of this GPU though, hence some of the early, low benchmarks.

The GPU is the fastest right now. NO need to specualte, it will be until tegra 3 comes out, but I think it will still match tegra 3 in most benchmarks. SGX540 is good but adreno 220 is faster.

What about de CPU ? It's worst than the Galaxy S CPU or better ?

jamhawk said:
What about de CPU ? It's worst than the Galaxy S CPU or better ?
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It's probably a touch slower than the CPU in the Galaxy S2, but probably not enough to be important.

a5ehren said:
It's probably a touch slower than the CPU in the Galaxy S2, but probably not enough to be important.
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Depends if the US Galaxy 2's are going to be Tegra or Exynos

donatom3 said:
Depends if the US Galaxy 2's are going to be Tegra or Exynos
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Now that's gonna make all the difference.
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well this cpu has a totally different desgin. if you look at the videos it is plenty fast, I highly doubt it would not be able to do that the samsung processor would be able to do, other than bench a little higher. If and when this phone gets ICS it will probably be better off because of the gpu it uses, I believe the gs2 still uses sgx540 and the adreno is certainly newer and better. SGX540 is still one hell of a chip, but adreno 220 is actually better.

nkd said:
well this cpu has a totally different desgin. if you look at the videos it is plenty fast, I highly doubt it would not be able to do that the samsung processor would be able to do, other than bench a little higher. If and when this phone gets ICS it will probably be better off because of the gpu it uses, I believe the gs2 still uses sgx540 and the adreno is certainly newer and better. SGX540 is still one hell of a chip, but adreno 220 is actually better.
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Actually the gs2 uses a Mali gpu..I still think the adreno outclasses it..they both have advantages over each other tho..but plenty of muscle for any mobile platform

firmbiz94 said:
Actually the gs2 uses a Mali gpu..I still think the adreno outclasses it..they both have advantages over each other tho..but plenty of muscle for any mobile platform
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This thread slightly confuses me. The OP mentions the NS4G in the first post, then we have someone coming in asking about comparisons to the Galaxy S, (S or S2?) and everyone answers about the GS2. Quick stat breakdown to answer whatever question is actually being asked here
Nexus S 4G has:
1.0 single core Hummingbird CPU
SGX540 GPU
Galaxy S has:
1.0 single core Hummingbird CPU
SGX540 GPU
Galaxy S2 (Euro) has:
1.2 dual core Orion CPU
Mali 400 GPU
Evo 3D Has:
1.2 dual core MSM8660 CPU
Adreno 220 GPU
(Infoz from GSMArena)
The Nexus S and Galaxy S are last generation's phones, so to answer the OP... No. The Evo 3d doesn't have the same GPU/CPU as the NS4G. Not even similar. It's a generation (Maybe even 2) up. The Evo 4g is slightly slower than the NS4G, and it's running a 1.0 snapdragon with an Adreno 200 (Not even a 205, which is in the next in line before the 220).
As for the GS2 Vs. Evo 3D, they're supposed to be on par with each other, with the GS2 maybe being a bit faster, since Qualcomm isn't the best with GPU's. (Personal opinion) However, AFAIK nobody has done any real testing on the Sensation vs the GS2 (same CPU/GPU) so there's no real data backing up that claim... The GS2 DOES have better benchmark scores though, so take that as you will.
Disclaimer: I found all the numbers on the internets. They may be wrong.

You can't really prove anything without having any concrete proof. There are still no scientific or a dedicated performance comparison with all the gpus found on a dual core.
I say all the post on this thread are just personal opinions.
The only thing we can compare now are benchmark results w/c are not even that credible.
Benchmarks(anandtech, quadrant etc)
1. Exynos
2. TI omap
3. Tegra 2
4. Qualcomm
5. Hummingbird
Now if only the qualcomm dual core uses cortex a9. I wonder why they choose cortex a8 instead of a9. Cortex a8 is so old hardware now

Don't worry too much about the a8 vs a9 thing...tje differences are not huge..45nm vs 40 nm .also Qualcomm heavily optimized the scorpion that it can actually perform processes that a9 can't..it will provide plenty of power..I would go into more details but that seems to upset some people on other threads

peacekeeper05 said:
You can't really prove anything without having any concrete proof. There are still no scientific or a dedicated performance comparison with all the gpus found on a dual core.
I say all the post on this thread are just personal opinions.
The only thing we can compare now are benchmark results w/c are not even that credible.
Benchmarks(anandtech, quadrant etc)
1. Exynos
2. TI omap
3. Tegra 2
4. Qualcomm
5. Hummingbird
Now if only the qualcomm dual core uses cortex a9. I wonder why they choose cortex a8 instead of a9. Cortex a8 is so old hardware now
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Almost all of the GPU benchmarks I've seen go like this:
1. Qualcomm
2. TI omap
3. Exynos
4. Tegra 2
5. Hummingbird
Qualcomm uses a8 because they don't use the reference designs from arm. Snapdragon outperforms the cortex a8 reference by 20-30% making it pretty close to the a9 reference

Overclocking Adreno 220

Is there a way to overclock the Adreno 220 GPU that I consider to be laying dormant as of now inside the HTC EVO 3D and Sensation? I read some of post the the Desire HD section that mentioned they were jealous that the sensation already got a GPU overclock but they didn't provide a link and my searches have come up with nothing. If I could, I would post a link, but I didn't find anything. If anyone could provide a hit of clarity or insight into this topic, please do.

there is already a thread requesting that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285205
here is the sensation kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256668

Dear god I wouldn't do that. The adreno 220 is a very good gpu. I think it's the fastest one commercially available.
Plus I've had a bad history with gpu overclocking. I tried overclocking my ATI 4820 and it just ended up not working at all
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FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.

well thank you for redirecting me, and i was hoping somebody would have made some sort of app as was done for the Samsung GSII, but thank you nonetheless

il Duce said:
FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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From every ROM I've ever seen they never say the GPU has been overclocked. That requires Kernel modified.
Everything I've seen states "GPU Tweaks" which I believe only means they've tweaked the amount of memory allocated or the MPAA settings. Which is just a simple prop edit.

il Duce said:
FYI, just about every single ROM available right now already has overclocked GPU, check the changelogs/feature lists.
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roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)

chad.goodman said:
roms cant overclock the GPU - it is overclocked in the kernel - most roms use stock kernel.
im working on a kernel now to OC the GPU to qualcomm spec. (so its not really being overclocked - but it is abt 40mhz faster than HTC spec)
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hao pley?
lol serious question.

>.<
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sometimes I post drivel
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how is this thread going ?
I would really much like to see the possibility to overclock the adreno 220 because I think we can gain a lot of preformance in games etc..
hope someone looks in to it

Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.

deadlocked007 said:
Umm its been here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318005
It overclocks the gpu to either 300 mhz or 320
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is this gonna work on Europe version?

aimbdd said:
Actually that isn't over clocking at all. Thats the normal speed. Htc under clocked it on us.
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qualcomm spec was 320MHz max (for HW001 and HW002)
i have 2 kernels - 1 @ 300 and 1 @ 320

How the andrino 220 stack up now,compare to the iphone 4S one and the mali 400,any answers will be greatly appreciated.
I am looking to buy a new phone,i don't like iphones,my current one is a Vibrant,so i am thinking about the Galaxys 2 from T mobile.
But since it use a 1.5 qualcoom cpu and andreno 220 GPU i don't know,since i don't know that GPU well,i don't know if it is weak or not,i love the Vibrant GPU it was quite ahead of anything until the Tegra 2 arrived.

Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.

Sad Panda said:
Let's summarize for a second here:
The Qualcomm CPU is built for 1.5GHz, but underclocked to 1.2 GHz to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is underclocked to save on battery and heat.
The Adreno 220 is anywhere from ~5-50% faster than the Tegra 2 dependent on the benchmark/utility/application
The Adreno 220 (even underclocked) will perform so well that any mobile game out today will run without any perceived negative performance that is humanly detectible.
The Adreno 220 performs so well that the above will still be true for any mobile game that comes out between now and the time you get your next device
With the above facts true, there is effectively zero reason to currently want or need to overclock the GPU. What reason did you have to want to? Just to say you did? The way I see it the perceived benefits can't possibly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure (without doing the research) but I believe the Adreno 220 is still the best performing GPU on the market.
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I have see some performance test and at least vs the Mali 400 which the other galaxy have is actually the slowest,i actually have read some reviews that say the T mobile one is the weakest performance wise thanks to the Adreno 220,but saw some text in which the Adreno was faster than the Tegra 2.
Since i am looking to buy a T mobile galaxy S i am trying to get the most research to see if i get it or not.

[Q] Can the Galaxy Player be Overclocked 1.2 ghz+

I hope you guys are having a pleasant evening. Well this is the question I would like to be answered. I believe that the Galaxy Player 4.0 USA is based off of the Galaxy S 1 (or GT-I9000).
Specs for the Galaxy Player (USA) are
Display- 4'' Super Clear LCD, WVGA (800x480)
CPU- Samsung Exynos 3110 (Hummingbird) 1GHZ
GPU- Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX540 512mb Ram
Sound Chip (DAC)- Wolfson Microelectronics WM8994
Storage- 8GB (Expandable to 32GB)
Camera- Rear, 3.2 MP AF (Video Resolution max 720X480) Front, VGA
Wifi 802.11 b/g/n
OS- Android 2.3.5
Dimensions- (W x H x D)- 2.53" x 4.87" x 0.39"
Weight- 4.27 oz
Battery- 1200mAH
Specs for the Galaxy S 1 are
Display- 4" 16M color Super AMOLED, WVGA (800X480)
CPU- 1GHZ Cortex A8 Hummingbird
GPU- Samsung PowerVR SGX540 512 mb Ram
Sound Chip (DAC)- Wolfson's WM8994
Storage- 8GB/16GB (Expandable 32 GB)
Camera- Rear, 5.0 MP AF (Video Resolution 1280 X 720p) Front, VGA
Networks- 2G GSM 850,900,1800,1900
3G HSDPA 900,1900,2100
Wifi- 802.11 b/g/n, DNLA, hotspot
OS- Android 2.1 Eclair (Upgradable to Android 2.3.5)
Dimensions- 2.53" X 4.82" X 0.39"
Weight- 4.20 oz
Battery- 1500 mAH
As you can see with the exception of the screen, camera, battery and a bit of height/weight they are indeed very similar. I saw a video on youtube with a guy who overclocked his GS1 to 1.7 ghz. Also if you go look at AnTuTu Benchmark v2.8.2 the highest clock speed is 1.8ghz. This got me the thinking that it could be possible with the Galaxy Player 4.0. Any thoughts on this?

obscuresword said:
I hope you guys are having a pleasant evening. Well this is the question I would like to be answered. I believe that the Galaxy Player 4.0 USA is based off of the Galaxy S 1 (or GT-I9000).
Specs for the Galaxy Player (USA) are
Display- 4'' Super Clear LCD, WVGA (800x480)
CPU- Samsung Exynos 3110 (Hummingbird) 1GHZ
GPU- Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX540 512mb Ram
Sound Chip (DAC)- Wolfson Microelectronics WM8994
Storage- 8GB (Expandable to 32GB)
Camera- Rear, 3.2 MP AF (Video Resolution max 720X480) Front, VGA
Wifi 802.11 b/g/n
OS- Android 2.3.5
Dimensions- (W x H x D)- 2.53" x 4.87" x 0.39"
Weight- 4.27 oz
Battery- 1200mAH
Specs for the Galaxy S 1 are
Display- 4" 16M color Super AMOLED, WVGA (800X480)
CPU- 1GHZ Cortex A8 Hummingbird
GPU- Samsung PowerVR SGX540 512 mb Ram
Sound Chip (DAC)- Wolfson's WM8994
Storage- 8GB/16GB (Expandable 32 GB)
Camera- Rear, 5.0 MP AF (Video Resolution 1280 X 720p) Front, VGA
Networks- 2G GSM 850,900,1800,1900
3G HSDPA 900,1900,2100
Wifi- 802.11 b/g/n, DNLA, hotspot
OS- Android 2.1 Eclair (Upgradable to Android 2.3.5)
Dimensions- 2.53" X 4.82" X 0.39"
Weight- 4.20 oz
Battery- 1500 mAH
As you can see with the exception of the screen, camera, battery and a bit of height/weight they are indeed very similar. I saw a video on youtube with a guy who overclocked his GS1 to 1.7 ghz. Also if you go look at AnTuTu Benchmark v2.8.2 the highest clock speed is 1.8ghz. This got me the thinking that it could be possible with the Galaxy Player 4.0. Any thoughts on this?
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It's potentially possible, but not very practical. I've overclocked to 1.7GHz with my Samsung Galaxy Player 5 so far, but I wouldn't keep it at that regularly. I only overclock to 1.5GHz on a regular basis. Any higher is just dangerous and not worth the extra speed.
I'm probably going to scrap modding the SGP5 and just buy a Galaxy Nexus Tablet 7 since that will have more options for getting the most power out of it with the quad-core proc + more RAM, etc

ZaIINN said:
It's potentially possible, but not very practical. I've overclocked to 1.7GHz with my Samsung Galaxy Player 5 so far, but I wouldn't keep it at that regularly. I only overclock to 1.5GHz on a regular basis. Any higher is just dangerous and not worth the extra speed.
I'm probably going to scrap modding the SGP5 and just buy a Galaxy Nexus Tablet 7 since that will have more options for getting the most power out of it with the quad-core proc + more RAM, etc
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Well if the 5.0 can do I'm sure the 4.0 can too. I was just wondering that's all. Also can you tell me what did you get in quadrant? The only thing about the Galaxy Nexus Tablet wrong is that there's no micro usb. To me that was a very bad move on Samsung's Part. It makes no sense imo.

I've had my 5.0 to 1.7ghz as well, but backed off because the players lack a cpu temp sensor. I run mine daily at 1.5 but I have no idea what the 4.0 is capable of.

If the 4.0 uses the Hummingbird CPU and it's rooted I believe the Tegrak Overclock can do the work.
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obscuresword said:
Well if the 5.0 can do I'm sure the 4.0 can too. I was just wondering that's all. Also can you tell me what did you get in quadrant? The only thing about the Galaxy Nexus Tablet wrong is that there's no micro usb. To me that was a very bad move on Samsung's Part. It makes no sense imo.
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i had 4.0 (returned due to brick but getting it again i had mine overclocked at 1.2 it can go further in tegrak but ive only gone to 1.2 since most 4.0 roms are already overclocked to 1.2 and i only go to 1.3 when playing a game but you can go higher i dont know to what since i dont have the paid version of tegrak

obscuresword said:
Well if the 5.0 can do I'm sure the 4.0 can too. I was just wondering that's all. Also can you tell me what did you get in quadrant? The only thing about the Galaxy Nexus Tablet wrong is that there's no micro usb. To me that was a very bad move on Samsung's Part. It makes no sense imo.
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ASUS makes the nexus 7 tablet. I think it is possible. Never done it and I don't see a reason to. The device is fast enough with 1 or even 1.2 ghz.
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j21098 said:
i had 4.0 (returned due to brick but getting it again i had mine overclocked at 1.2 it can go further in tegrak but ive only gone to 1.2 since most 4.0 roms are already overclocked to 1.2 and i only go to 1.3 when playing a game but you can go higher i dont know to what since i dont have the paid version of tegrak
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NONE of the 4.0 ROM's are default overclocked, as overclocking has more to do with the kernel then the ROM.
To the OP I run the terrasilent kernel on my 4.0 and use the app "no frills cpu" it allows for a 1.2 Ghz overclock and more importantly allows "apply on boot" for free, tegrak will go higher but you'll need to buy the ultimate version to do it and have it "apply on boot".

Yes I believe Hanthesolo Actually went up to 1.5GHz but even still if you flash a custom kernel it will by default run at 1.2GHz

Reventon319 said:
Yes I believe Hanthesolo Actually went up to 1.5GHz but even still if you flash a custom kernel it will by default run at 1.2GHz
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Yes and No, yes Han has pushed his to 1.5Ghz but BY DEFAULT it's the stock 1Ghz NOT 1.2Ghz no matter what ROM or Kernel you run on the 4.0, you must use an APP to overclock, the kernels simply give you the ABILITY to overclock.
No Frills CPU will let you do 1.2Ghz and apply on boot for free
Tegrak will do 1.3Ghz but has to be manually applied for free
Tegrak Ultimate will go higher but you have to buy it

exodus454 said:
I've had my 5.0 to 1.7ghz as well, but backed off because the players lack a cpu temp sensor. I run mine daily at 1.5 but I have no idea what the 4.0 is capable of.
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What was your Quadrant Score?

How does the S4 pro compare to the Exynos 5??

Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.

Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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The S4 is halfway between the Cortex A9 cores and the new Cortex A15 core that we have. So it is decent enough of a CPU. I am not sure how good of a GPU that is. None of my devices the past couple years have had Adreno GPU's At least it wont have to work as hard with the lower resolution

Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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What stuttering are you talking about?

Draw your own conclusions.
S4 Pro - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Exynos 5 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual

From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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enik_fox said:
From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?

avdaga said:
Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.

Fasty12 said:
Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
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Do you mean a drop in framerate during the animation when closing Maps? I notice a minor framerate drop which lasts as long as the animation does, but if that is it, I'm kinda wondering why you bought an android device in first place... I have not noticed this before and I cannot imagine anyone would using the device for its intended purposes. If you take any android device, you will find a fps drop at some point... Maybe return it and take an iPad? iPads do not have the issue, on the other hand there's a lot that iPads do not have ^^

kaspar737 said:
But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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EniGmA1987 said:
The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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ECOTOX said:
Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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kaspar737 said:
The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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ECOTOX said:
Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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kaspar737 said:
But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But that bandwidth is shared, unlike on dedicated GPU where it isn't. The total system bandwidth (not including buses for modem or w.e others are there) on the exynos chip being higher is gonna give it the edge in any situation considering the closeness in performance between the two. It also can't be denied that the Mali t604 has a edge in horse power over adreno 320 because even at the n10s resolution it comes within a couple fps of adreno at 1080p resolution. Not saying it's a big difference, but the exynos is the more powerful all around chip and that's just in is dual core form.
Edit: Also its a known fact that Adreno has crap fill rate compared too Mali or Power VR, Adrenos Strength is Geometry performace so it takes more of a hit the higher the resolution than Either the Mali t604 or the SGX 554MP4 which both have higher Fillrate and the SoC we have to compare both have higher bandwidth to facilitate that so we dont get bottle necked.
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Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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_delice_doluca_ said:
Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though

Ya, Im pretty sure they will still play games a year from now. Until the market is completely saturated with devices like the Nexus 10 in power we wont really see large jumps in system requirements. That will probably only happen a year or two from now once all the new phones and tablets are made with A15 processors (or Qualcomm equivalent) and beefy GPUs.

Fidelator said:
They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
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The S2(Mali400) plays GTA3 without a hiccup.

The exynos dual is very power hungry compared to the s4pro but it is also the most powerful arm processor out today. Nothing else yet released (I said RELEASED) is as powerful or can match its bandwidth. Having said that I'm sure a normal resolution 1080p screen in this form factor with the s4pro would be a nice fast tablet. Right now the exynos dual is pretty much the only thing outside apple that can push the resolution that the n10 has. I think if they had put another gig of ddr3 in this thing there wouldn't be so much stuttering in certain instances. Besides the thermal cutoff the n10 is starved for memory as it has to share normal duties and its ram with the graphical load of pushing all the pixels of this monster resolution. You are lucky to have 300mb of ram available at idle on the n10 vs over a gig available with the s4pro on the 720p screen of the nexus 4
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Nexus 10's Mali T-604 gpu specs

Does anyone know an app or a website with the the Mali T-604's full specifications. Like gpu clockspeed, V-RAM, GFLOPS, anything else. Thank you in advanced. (I already know it's quad-core, and I read that it's 423Mhz, and 512Mb of V-RAM, but I need confirmation lol).
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http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-plus-gpu-compute/mali-t604.php Shows a bit of features but nothing like clock speed or GFLOPS.

Judging from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39719050#post39719050 It would seem the GPU can clock at 100Mhz, 160MHz, 266MHz, 400MHz, 450MHz, and 533MHz (not sure if this is custom behavior or stock).

and custom kernels have shown we EASILY (like on stock volts easy) can overclock from 533MHz up to 720MHz. This GPU can become a real powerhouse as it gets clocked higher, and I am thinking that if we wanted to overvolt it enough we could probably even have it running at 1GHz.
As for vram, it doesnt have any. VRAM is shared with system RAM and it uses something like 1GB of system memory in reserve for the GPU on this tablet. People theorize that it dedicates so much because of our huge resolution, and that lesser devices would not need to hoard as much of the memory.

EniGmA1987 said:
...and I am thinking that if we wanted to overvolt it enough we could probably even have it running at 1GHz.
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That'd be insane lol... my desktop GPU (Radeon HD 7850) is factory OC'd and isn't even 1GHz

espionage724 said:
That'd be insane lol... my desktop GPU (Radeon HD 7850) is factory OC'd and isn't even 1GHz
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Ya, but you cant compare MHz between architectures very easily. Your desktop card has WAY more power than this tablet grade GPU. Makes me wish I could get my hands on a Mali T-628 though, with the same OC we have now on that thing I could see it blowing away anything else on the market or coming out soon.
Unfortunately Ktoonsez said it looks like our frequency table is maxed out on the GPU, so I dont know if we will be able to OC higher despite if the GPU is capable of it or not.

Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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Afroninja said:
Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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At the risk of turning this into a Desktop GPU thread; I believe AMD"s 7990 takes the spot at world's fastest GPU currently. Almost certain it slaughters the Titan at compute, and pretty sure it beats Titan in most gaming benchmarks. In terms of frame latency though, AMD might be lacking in that department, but not for long :good:
I do agree though clock speed isn't that important in most cases. Almost got a Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition card just because of the 1GHz core clock, but the 7850 I got still outperforms it (to be fair though, it's only 50Mhz lower than 1GHz).
Regardless, with the Nexus 10's resolution, pretty sure we need a nice balance of memory frequency and GPU clock speed. GPU can be as fast as it wants, but it won't help much if the memory bandwidth is being choked :/

Afroninja said:
Gpu clockspeed isn't always THAT important just look at the GTX Titan, it's only 700-800Mhz yet it's the world's fastest gpu.
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Thats why I said the T-628 could be the fastest if we can OC it the same. Our current GPU has "four cores" and at 720MHz GPU speed we can push 2560x1440 pixels at 58 frames per second average on the Unreal 3 engine. The T-628 is the same as what we have but twice as many cores, so twice as many computing resources. Sure there are other things coming out that are pretty fast, but think of what 2x the power of our current GPU could do At this point though espionage724 would be right, we would probably see memory bottleneck so we would need to step up from DDR-1600 to DDR-2133. Still, testing I have done shows we are just barely starting to hit a memory bottleneck with our GPU @ 720MHz, and if we OC the memory up to DDR-1728 we have lots of extra bandwidth to spare. So changing the memory up to 2133 would alleviate any sort of bottleneck that would ever show up in that area even with twice as many GPU cores.

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