Well, this day should come soon or later.
I had a chance for trading my Xperia Ray for a phone with similar specifications, and I did.
I own now a LG Optimus Black (white version). If you guys check the specs of both phones you'll note that they're very similar, with only few differences. I miss the great quality of the camera, Optimus camera is crappy. But what I like most of this phone is the bigger screen and the unlocked bootloader, thanks to it I could install and taste (at last) Jelly Bean. Everything is working in a CM10 based ROM, the performance is very good, but the battery drain is a little bit faster than ICS, I guess this is caused by project butter.
That's why I don't understand why SONY won't give JB to our 2011 Xperias. I just can't believe that custom ROMs built by the community and devs are so good enough to use them daily, but SONY engineers can't (or don't want) to give Android 4.1 to Arc, Neo, Ray, etc. That has disappointed me a lot and it was one of the reasons to take the decision of trading my phone.
However, I still want to give a chance to SONY because, after all, I'm a fan and I love their devices (if you ask me, what I really like of this LG I own now is the unlocked bootloader and the screen, the physical design is ugly, so "iphoned"), so I'm waiting for CES this january 7th and see what they have to offer. I hope they don't disappoint us, and now SONY have to work harder since a new strong competitor is on his way: Ubuntu Phone. It really looks interesting, plus, I'm a Linux fan since 2004 and I've seen how this great system has evolved, until the point of being almost ready for smartphones. But I also love Android, so, we'll see.
Anyway guys, I can't say definitely "bye", I'm sure we'll meet again in some point, of course, If I decide to get another Xperia and if you also do and keep developing for these devices. For now I want to thank great developers such JJ doctor, MrTapa, arcatarc, xparanoidx, and everyone else (sorry if I don't mention all of you) for rescuing me of being stuck in Android 2.3.4 =P I learned a lot while I had my Ray and I was happy using 4.0.4 ROMs, your work is awesome and this community is just great.
So, see you later!
PS: pending projects (such banners and wallpapers) will be accomplished in sometime of the current year. Sorry about that, my free time is smaller now.
PS2: I post this here because most of the time I was in this section. But if moderators consider it's necesary to move it, OK.
El Brillantinas said:
Well, this day should come soon or later.
I had a chance for trading my Xperia Ray for a phone with similar specifications, and I did.
I own now a LG Optimus Black (white version). If you guys check the specs of both phones you'll note that they're very similar, with only few differences. I miss the great quality of the camera, Optimus camera is crappy. But what I like most of this phone is the bigger screen and the unlocked bootloader, thanks to it I could install and taste (at last) Jelly Bean. Everything is working in a CM10 based ROM, the performance is very good, but the battery drain is a little bit faster than ICS, I guess this is caused by project butter.
That's why I don't understand why SONY won't give JB to our 2011 Xperias. I just can't believe that custom ROMs built by the community and devs are so good enough to use them daily, but SONY engineers can't (or don't want) to give Android 4.1 to Arc, Neo, Ray, etc. That has disappointed me a lot and it was one of the reasons to take the decision of trading my phone.
However, I still want to give a chance to SONY because, after all, I'm a fan and I love their devices (if you ask me, what I really like of this LG I own now is the unlocked bootloader and the screen, the physical design is ugly, so "iphoned"), so I'm waiting for CES this january 7th and see what they have to offer. I hope they don't disappoint us, and now SONY have to work harder since a new strong competitor is on his way: Ubuntu Phone. It really looks interesting, plus, I'm a Linux fan since 2004 and I've seen how this great system has evolved, until the point of being almost ready for smartphones. But I also love Android, so, we'll see.
Anyway guys, I can't say definitely "bye", I'm sure we'll meet again in some point, of course, If I decide to get another Xperia and if you also do and keep developing for these devices. For now I want to thank great developers such JJ doctor, MrTapa, arcatarc, xparanoidx, and everyone else (sorry if I don't mention all of you) for rescuing me of being stuck in Android 2.3.4 =P I learned a lot while I had my Ray and I was happy using 4.0.4 ROMs, your work is awesome and this community is just great.
So, see you later!
PS: pending projects (such banners and wallpapers) will be accomplished in sometime of the current year. Sorry about that, my free time is smaller now.
PS2: I post this here because most of the time I was in this section. But if moderators consider it's necesary to move it, OK.
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...i'm sure you'll back bro'!
Inviato da me!
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According to what I have been reading in this forum and X10-related sites, people expect SE to pack the latest technology into their flagship phones. I used to think of it this way too but unfortunately after having the X1 and X10 the experience was disappointing Then I questioned myself whats the true reason I bought them
The look
Yeap any SE phones that you can think of right now, their design is always outstanding. This is the image the company is trying to create to the public; to win the beauty award among competitors in market. If you want to buy a slick-looking phones your best bet is SE, they're damn good at it. People like good looking stuff that is why their phones still sell. But as a practical person you know looks aren't everything. SE's target market are probably the youngsters, who change their phones more frequent than other age ranges.
In a stereotypically point of view, SE phones are blondes.
So if SE has never had the intention to create a cutting-edge phone, its not their fault. If you're an X10 user who are currently not happy with how SE isn't doing a good job on the hardware/software department and keep up with the updates etc, blame yourself for not being able to get passed the look of the phone.
After seeing xperia phones' performance, it has become pretty clear to me that SE phones are not the choice for people who like to keep up with the latest technology and expect high performance from their phones. And SE are also not the best listener who will change their plan to meet our demands, because that is not the company's goal. As long as SE are still selling their phones it's very unlikely that they will repositioning themselves on the market.
Personally SE phones are now out of my list. They simply aren't future-proof enough and eol too quickly.
the new xperia Arc is pretty good
thumbs up.
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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the new xperia Arc is pretty good
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
loneLEE said:
Since part of it is Sony, I expect a good multimedia player. In fact, this is why I chose her instead of Google Nexus One.
I did extensive research and found out that the music player wasn't really that good
And when I saw Mediascape, I told myself she's the one for me!
Granted, the absence of an equalizer control is abit of a disappointment, but well, you win some, you lose some =/
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Exactly, if I'm not mistaken it was the first android phone which has the most customized and best looking media player.
SE's designing department rarely fails
Yeap. A blonde, but I've dyed her brunette with XDA
I'm completely satisfied with her as it stands now. An official 2.2 would be a great addition but no sweat if it never arrives. The JiT patch + xRecovery + other tweaks have gotten my X10 to places I never had thought possible. I don't give 2 flips if my mate's Galaxy S scrolls smoother [laugh] or another mate's Desire has dozens of custom ROM's - the Xperia's physical looks and overall UI is what I picked her for - for the rest there's XDA.
That's my story.
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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Two 'good's i can think of the arc
'Good' Looking
As for the software, support etc etc
'Good' Luck
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Arc is the top SE right now, but I'm sticking with my x10
Wolfbreak said:
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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That's what really scares me. SE loves to customize their products so that it looks even more like their own creation. That is why SE will not launch any WinMo7 phones since it doesn't allow customization.
X1 was my first SE. I signed a really expensive contract for it which i do not need because i was so drawn into the beauty of that thing. After learning my (1st) lesson I was willing to give SE another go, I bought it upfront so that I can easily move on to another brand if it does not live up to my expectation again.
Well again the x10 didn't live up to my expectation, but at least my wallet didn't go hay-wired this time
Wolfbreak said:
The Hardware of X10 or Arc is good the Problem is only the Software. A X10 or Arc with Software from someone here created like zdzihu,jerpelea and all and this would be the best Phone becouse nice Desings,good Hardware and the difference to SE very good Software! The Arc has latest Software so dont know if it sucks or not but the Software on X10 withouth JIT+Root sucks.
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I dont know how good is the hardware but its probably not good enough. That spec already existed in some phones thats launched last year. Sure many people would say the duo core is over-rated and 1ghz is more than enough but we're still in the 1st month of the year. If this year mobile phone is all about duo cores, arc will again miss out a lot of latest apps
No App will require more then 1GHZ, this would be crazy. And when Dual Core turns Mainstream SE will have the Arc successor out already with Dual Core. Not even all PC Programs did use a Quad Core and Quad Core is out for many years so i dont think all new Apps will require a Dual Core now.
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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I think your wrong. SE have learned there leason about being late with OS updates and there new devices will be a different story than the X10 was.
As for decisions, you gotta make that yourself....whatever you think will make you happy.
I, myself will be getting the Arc....and that will most probably be my last android device....im going to move on over to WP7 soon enough. Gotta wait and see what Nokia has in store for it.
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I have tested HTC hd7 for a week and it got some advantages but i think android will be more powerfull than WP7. Somehow i hope SE keep supporting its new phones. The repetition of this mistake will cause losing customers and suffer the lovers.
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I think your wrong. SE have learned there leason about being late with OS updates and there new devices will be a different story than the X10 was.
As for decisions, you gotta make that yourself....whatever you think will make you happy.
I, myself will be getting the Arc....and that will most probably be my last android device....im going to move on over to WP7 soon enough. Gotta wait and see what Nokia has in store for it.
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Actually that depends, no company would go updating their phones all the way to the latest firmware update, like X10 they'll probably give 1-2 major firmware updates to the Arc few months after the firmware is released by Google, then leave it and release new phones. Reason why I think so is because from my point of view, SE is all about visual perfection, if the UI doesn't look good they'll tweak it till they're happy (thus the delay).
I myself will wait for Google's next Nexus (if any), mainly because there are more support there than any other android phones.
I like Sony Ericsson. They make good looking hardware. my contract ends in about a year, so i'll probs get to get the next lot
NOT EVER SONY (any product period)
Motorola Atrix as soon as I can get my hands on it AND the dock station. Experience with the Xperia left me never willing to own or purchase another Sony product EVER, in fact I sold my PS3 since owning it as the IBM Cell processor is no longer useful, for the same reasons the entire Xperia line from x1 to Play.. DRM junk!
These guys have even been sued over the crap, sued themselves over the subject and continue to underwhelm and disappoint. Never again Mr Sony!
Innovation ended with the Walkman. Sony have no vision or ability to grasp open source software and have no place in Android.
my contract is not up for another year...even though i like sony unsure if i will get another one or not - and not because of all the broken promises etc
i am not an "sony fan" or "Nokia fan" etc...i will see what phones are out at the time and see whats best
Lol I love when people say sony learned their lesson... If they did then why not fix their mistake and upgrade x10 once more before ditching it? Isn't fixing your mistake part of learning your lesson? I know I'm going to get a lot of lame excuses in response to this as usual...
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Lol I love when people say sony learned their lesson... If they did then why not suz their mistake and upgrade x10 once more before ditching it? Isn't fixing your mistake part of learning your lesson? I know I'm going to get a lot of lame excuses in response to this as usual...
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Man, you are persistent
I think we all know by now, you DON'T like the X10 and possibly the rest of the Sony Ericsson product line. And that's okay
javagreen said:
Man, you are persistent
I think we all know by now, you DON'T like the X10 and possibly the rest of the Sony Ericsson product line. And that's okay
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I never once said I didn't like the x10 ever.. I love it. I just don't like sony's lack if support and the way they're handling this situation...
hahaha for me i like the design of ****ing SE but the way they leave the OS ?ahh im forwarding to last SE of ARc if they gonna leave again .this is the last sE to buy with... curently X10 user.. im luky the XDA or developers are here to felp us lol
Liked the x10, would buy another Android SE only If x10 would get further upgrades at least till HW would be capable to handle it otherwise No way.
just because my x10 is sim unlocked imma kep using it for a while
but my next option could be an optimus 3d or an inspire 4g or an atrix (although motoblur is not of my likes)
still will be with android cause wp7 is kinda buggy from what I read xD
there might be a chance of getting an arc just cause it looks so damn fancy but will depend on the money XD
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Decisons are best made on informed choice. Yes the experience with SE Android debut was (is) frustrating. They could have handled issues with updates better but if their products (software side especially) then I will use my head as well as my heart. Of course SE should realise if you treat your clients shabbily, you drive them into your competitors embrace!
When i bought the x10 i thought that SE may have done the right thing..
But after a year of fighting and arguing SE has now decided to repair my phone.
I am not going to be robbed again, the x10 is no marvel
and yes SE may have sorted out their firmware distribution,
they are still no longer making quality hardware!
SE used the x10 product line and clever marketing to smear the
horridly planned and badly designed phones on the un-expecting public.
So in my eyes... they fail and this will be the last SE and SONY product i buy.
Sony and SE is taking the piss for the cash.
I think the ARC,NEO,PRO & PLAY = crap.. the hardware is already outdated!
Plus sony loves to remove stuff from the firmware in consoles and devices.
Screw them in the ear.
Money hungry pigs.
behrad_m said:
Hi every one.
I'm on a decision whether to lose the future on SE android Phones or gain it on other Android phones like Samsung, HTC or Motorola via their OS Updates.
I think ARC,Pro,Neo and play will have the same destiny like X10 and after sometime there will be no OS updates.
Thank the xda developers to port newer ROMs to x10 but one of the important parts of x10 never worked fully till now and that is its CAMERA!!!!!
Now, What's your Opinion about the Future of SE Smart Phones?
I apologize for my poor English
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Actually, X10 is not too bad, just no more OS update. For me, I wouldn't like to spend too much on phone so I'm going to stick a while with X10.
But if u would preferred to get latest firmware all the time and have budget, I reckon HTC.
Cheers.
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Maybe if i find a used arc that cost around 300$ i'll get one.... otherwise ... a brand new galaxy 2 or desire HD
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blisslove said:
Actually, X10 is not too bad, just no more OS update. For me, I wouldn't like to spend too much on phone so I'm going to stick a while with X10.
But if u would preferred to get latest firmware all the time and have budget, I reckon HTC.
Cheers.
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As you know, The usage of these Smart phones depends on their OS, because of their software improvements. for new apps you will need android 2.2 or 2.3 or higher and then our x10s will be outdated but if you have galaxy s you will have all official advantages of new androids. I think firmware upgrades are free.
I posted several months ago that if SE stuck the X10 on 2.1 then there was like a 5% chance that I would go with another SE (65% chance if 2.2, 99% for 2.3). Considering that they've stuck the X10 on 2.1 (cmon, almost all new system type apps require 2.2 like gmail and all the bug fixes 2.2 brings) it's very unlikely. I may do the Optimus 2X... camera looks decent.
And for those that say SE has learned their lesson, I'm calling BS.
They've done this with EVERY other smartphone they've released.
They release a smartphone with a lot of promises and statements of the lessons they've learned from past smartphones ONLY to do the same thing.
Vivaz, Vivaz Pro, Satio, Xperia X1, Xperia X2, G700, G900, etc.
'Time flows like a river and history repeats' -some quote...
Well, i have always been a fan of SE, and i would still buy their phones, but the way they handled/are handling the x10 issues has made me consider other phones like samsung or htc.
If you want updates to your phone, you shouldn't stay with SE, because as they said about the x10 "We have decided to not step up beyond 2.1 since we believe that 2.2 won't enhance the user experience enough."
and that's gonna happen again.
Hey guys,
New to the board, new to the Ray. I used to frequent the Arc, Play, Nexus S, and Desire S boards under a different user name but I've not posted in a while so I've since forgotten my User info, so thought I'd make a new one.
Anyways...
I got my Ray, bought it out unlocked, and unlocked the boot loader. I was really excited to get my Cyanogen on and enjoy this beautiful device. Only...Cyanogen Rom for the Ray is HORRIBLE. The Camcorder is broken, the live wallpapers option is non-existant, and the control widget is completely useless for brightness control. Seriously, WTF is wrong with that ROM its is absolute garbage.
I can understand the Ice Cream Sandwich ROM being bug ridden, its early time, but at the very least I expected Cyanogen 7 to be fully functional. Geez.
Those are the only 2 ROMS I've tried so far, the rest look boring. MIUI I am not interested in, and outside anything that slightly alters the Stock firmware there is NOTHING AVAILABLE?
Where are the ROMS? Where is the support? Where are the quality developers?
All we have are half backed ideas, ROMS that don't work properly, and nothing else.
Maybe we should start up a fund and maybe donate a few Rays to some good developers that can actually provide because at this point, there is no point in using anything other then Stock Firmware.
The Ray is a capable device, similar to the Arc, there should be more support. I miss the great support that the Nexus S and the Desire S recieved. Especially the Desire S, the Developer from that board are truly amazing. Proxuser and Super kid were really really good developers, and we need developers like them who dedicate the time needed for quality ROMS. Our support is a joke compared to what they have, and I think we need to either put up some money or some incentive, like maybe donating a few Rays, to get the ball rolling.
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
MarkMRL said:
I agree with you, it's pretty disappointing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the differences between Ray and Arc are minimal, so it's quite surprising that Arc gets tons of support and Ray gets basically nothing. Even more that inferior devices such as the Minis are more supported. Maybe the device is not selling well and not many people have it? I don't know.
Obviously I'm just a tinkerer and not a developer, so I don't know how hard it could be to port Arc stuff to Ray, but yeah, this devices needs more support. How to get it? I have no idea.
I think the stock rom is pretty good, I don't find any major problem with it, it look pretty good and it's decently fast (with Supercharger it's much better), so for now I don't really feel the need to install an unofficial one.
Also, many Arc mods to the interface work on Ray too, so check out those forums too and see if there is something you like. I installed the Xperia styled torch widget and the modded battery icon (with percentage) from the Arc board and they worked fine.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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Re-reading my initial post I may have sounded a bit harsh. Its just very very disappointing coming from a device that had a TON of support to one that has virtually none.
I will take your advice and check out some of the Arc's mods.
I've owned a ton of Android devices (Xperia x10, Captivate, 2 Xperia Arcs, Nexus S, another Xperia Arc, HTC Desire Z, HTC Desire S, and finally the Xperia Ray) and this is by far the worst support I've ever seen.
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I agree with you!...even my previous worst phone...Se X8...got tons of support ...i am really disappointed seeing Ray being put aside...
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What are you guys on anyway? The X8, since it was mentioned, was released 1 year ago. With 1.6 on it... there have been, what 4 different versions? And Gingerbread is sub par on it.
Regarding Adreno's note on HTC Devices.... As you are aware HTC makes phones for many companies, including T-mobile and Google. So most of these devices have almost the same internals. Hence development on those devices is really easy (you just copy paste files from one rom to another and bam you got your kang).
So on to the Ray... It was released 4 months ago. It has a different screen than most phones (480x854) so porting any generic rom onto it requires some smali editing skills. And... There is NO AOSP release for Xperia devices... at least so far. What makes other devices so "different" than the Xperia's is that some of them have been build on AOSP.
For example the DesireZ - Tmobile G2. One has Sense, the other is built on AOSP. So you have 2 completely different builds for the same device.
And some food for thought... Sony Ericsson needs about 6 months, an enormous team of developers and a ****load of money to build their own Firmware based on Already released Code. What makes you think you will see something "new" from some amateurs in less than 6 months time?
Yes i have built my "own" Rom based on the Stock Rom for the Xperia Active. I dont even consider my self an amateur. I am a total noob.
So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
/rant off
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So, to finish this rant, since development for these devices is young, yet the android system as it is, is quite mature, I would recommend you to assist the people who have already developed a Rom for the Ray, in order to make something good from it. Creating a Thread in the development section, complaining about the development being "dissapointing"... then i rest my case.
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I personally don't want "assisting" of the developers that have been working on the Ray thus far, as I said my original post I don't believe that they are up to the job.
I want to entice more talented developers. What can we do to bring experienced developers that know what they are doing to the Ray?
At this point, rooting and unlocking the bootloader is pretty pointless. You are screwing yourself out of over the air updates, and there is nothing that can fill the void from the development community thus far. What. is. the. point.
This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom? Speed? Stability? Battery Life?
I have managed to do all these with no real coding at all. The Xperia Active with DooMLoRD's Kernel and various tweaks that i found on XDA, when on max OC ranks between the Sensation and the SGS2. Both are Dual core with a far better GPU than the Adreno 205. Oh and the OC is completely bulletproof.
For the time being, the best developers for these devices is Sony herself. It is stable, and battery efficient. You on the other hand can make it more "personalized" and fitting to your needs... Gaming-browsing... whatever...
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This is where you are wrong.
What do you actually want from a Rom?
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Even if I had just Cyanogen working properly I'd be happy.
On the Desire S board Superkid had Ice Cream Sandwich ported (AOSP) to the desire S within 2 weeks, only being able to work on it on the weekends. Thats like 6 days.
On top of that, he had everything working flawlessly other than the camera by week 3.
Thats the kind of development I am talking about. Imagine how hard that was.
We don't have anything like that over here.
No it wasnt that hard. I say again. You need to be able to edit THE WHOLE DAMN BASE, if you want it in a different resolution than the one it was intended.
Yes some guys are simply amazing at what they do, but as i said earlier, most HTC devices use the same chipsets, boards, cpu's, modems etc. Sony uses a board (codenamed mogami i think) specific to the mini's. It uses a different one for the Ray, Play etc.
You will almost never have something like that. Be happy that the Cyanogenmod Team is actually working on these devices.
Hell, the mini's dont even have a MIUI build. Its either CM7 or Stock. But honestly i couldnt care less. I got bored of flashing a new rom every 2 weeks, just to see nothing different. The only difference was Sense 2.1 Sense 3.0 Sense 3.5. The rest ROMS use the same old AOSP build with an ADW launcher or a LPP on top... Big deal.
Now if someone gets sense on these devices... i'd be impressed
Complaint/rant threads about developers are not allowed at XDA. If you want something done, make it happen!
I currently own a Sony Xperia Ray, I like it but after getting very disappointed with the ICS update this phone got, I have been thinking of replacing it, and now I have the chance to do it because my father needs a smartphone for work, and I can just give him my Ray and buy a new one for me.
Anyway, since it's quite an old phone, I was wondering if it's still worth it. I had the chance to try it a few days ago from a friend of mine, his SGSII had some AOKP rom installed and it seemed very fast and bug-free. I did not like the screen very much, since I'm used to the sharp screen Ray has, the screen seemed a bit more pixelated, and also I noticed a blueish tint on white backgrounds.
Anyway, here are my questions:
Which one is the latest official firmware available for it? I heard it's 4.0.4 but I'm not sure. After the giant disappointment I got with Sony, I'd be happier to know it has at least the latest version of ICS right now. I have a thing against homebrew roms and would avoid them if possible, no offence intended to all the talented developers of XDA. I like to keep the stock firmware and just add mods and tweaks to it.
Also, how do you like the stock interface available for it in the latest official firmware? Do you think it's very obsolete or flawed? How does it compare to the one on the SIII?
Do you think there is anything that pushes the SGSII to it's limits and makes you think it's not powerful enough? I often get this feeling on my Ray, especially in the browser and some games. I kind of like some Gameloft games for Android but they don't run as well as I'd like them to on my Ray.
Do you think the low resolution of the screen is a big limitation? Do movies look good on it? I am a bit underwhelmed by the screen on the SGSII, especially after trying the Xperia S, which has an utterly amazing screen.
I assume it's safe to say that Sammy won't update it to Jelly Bean, right?
That's all I guess. Feel free to recommend me another phone if you think the SII is not worth it in 2012. I can't spend much more than what the SII costs though (around 380€ new here).
MarkMRL said:
I currently own a Sony Xperia Ray, I like it but after getting very disappointed with the ICS update this phone got, I have been thinking of replacing it, and now I have the chance to do it because my father needs a smartphone for work, and I can just give him my Ray and buy a new one for me.
Anyway, since it's quite an old phone, I was wondering if it's still worth it. I had the chance to try it a few days ago from a friend of mine, his SGSII had some AOKP rom installed and it seemed very fast and bug-free. I did not like the screen very much, since I'm used to the sharp screen Ray has, the screen seemed a bit more pixelated, and also I noticed a blueish tint on white backgrounds.
Anyway, here are my questions:
Which one is the latest official firmware available for it? I heard it's 4.0.4 but I'm not sure. After the giant disappointment I got with Sony, I'd be happier to know it has at least the latest version of ICS right now. I have a thing against homebrew roms and would avoid them if possible, no offence intended to all the talented developers of XDA. I like to keep the stock firmware and just add mods and tweaks to it.
Also, how do you like the stock interface available for it in the latest official firmware? Do you think it's very obsolete or flawed? How does it compare to the one on the SIII?
Do you think there is anything that pushes the SGSII to it's limits and makes you think it's not powerful enough? I often get this feeling on my Ray, especially in the browser and some games. I kind of like some Gameloft games for Android but they don't run as well as I'd like them to on my Ray.
Do you think the low resolution of the screen is a big limitation? Do movies look good on it? I am a bit underwhelmed by the screen on the SGSII, especially after trying the Xperia S, which has an utterly amazing screen.
I assume it's safe to say that Sammy won't update it to Jelly Bean, right?
That's all I guess. Feel free to recommend me another phone if you think the SII is not worth it in 2012. I can't spend much more than what the SII costs though (around 380€ new here).
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the latest official firmware is XXLQ5 (android 4.0.4) available on samfirmware.com
and with ur budjet i think s2 is the best option for u
"Sony Xperia Tipo dual has surpassed our sales expectation and is a big hit for us, we want to make it even better with the new Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update in about a month's time."
What the **ck is sony. Another slap in the faces of our beloved xperia 2011
Source: JB for xperia tipo
Lol!! I think sony forgot that they released some previous phones too! Huh! Tipo getting jb!!! Our phones still doesn't have a stable ics stock update and tipo which has far lower hardware than our phones in nearly every aspect is getting a jb. :banghead: The next update sony will provide us is when keylimepie is introduced, then we will get another ics update with hell lots of bugs and new baseband!
EDIT: btw slapping phones might have hurt sony
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amnher said:
"Sony Xperia Tipo dual has surpassed our sales expectation and is a big hit for us, we want to make it even better with the new Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update in about a month's time."
What the **ck is sony. Another slap in the faces of our beloved xperia 2011
Source: JB for xperia tipo
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Is this for real? Any official news from Sony's site?
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What the.. :what:
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I wouldn't doubt it.
Sony is pushing our phones down the trash can and there's nothing we can do except for boycotting their brand and relying on 3rd party developers to keep our phones up to date.
Even the ICS update was painfully half-assed. The most ironic move: the Live With Walkman didnt even get the Walkman player on ICS.
WHAT THE HELL!!
It's just a rumor guys...
And a company has its market strategies...
Sony split up from Ericsson... And has started from base after then...
You simply can't expect them to update old phones to the latest of Android... When they got a complete new brand chain to concentrate at...
Though they should have updated Arc and ArcS (being high end phones)
But updating JB to entry level droids isn't beneficial for them. Our phones are entry level smartphones for a reason.
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If the "slipt-up" from Ericsson frees Sony from any responsability, then why did they even bother to upgrade the 2011 handsets (except for xplay) to ICS? One point down.
So this is their strategy, their modus operandi, and they won't be changing anytime soon huh? Then why would we, as consumers, support their crappy way of treating their own customers?
I, for one, am willing to boycott Sony for this. I expected better value for my money. It's not like there are no alternatives in the market.
And yes, it's a rumor, but a very plausible one, considering the XJ already got it's piece of cake. All we got left to do is thank sony for spitting on us.
Pixelado said:
If the "slipt-up" from Ericsson frees Sony from any responsability, then why did they even bother to upgrade the 2011 handsets (except for xplay) to ICS? One point down.
So this is their strategy, their modus operandi, and they won't be changing anytime soon huh? Then why would we, as consumers, support their crappy way of treating their own customers?
I, for one, am willing to boycott Sony for this. I expected better value for my money. It's not like there are no alternatives in the market.
And yes, it's a rumor, but a very plausible one, considering the XJ already got it's piece of cake. All we got left to do is thank sony for spitting on us.
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That's upon you... If you like them or not as a consumer...
Sony never promised of updating 2011 with JB
Value for money you say... In 11K (rupees) ... The price range of Xperia mdpi aren't you getting value for money...
1Ghz chipset, HD camera, BE, and all other awesome stuff
And on top of it you want JB... there's no end to man's greed
Tell me any other smartphone in the range which has such great specifications...
Which other company provided JB update in entry level droids...?
You want superb hardware along with regular stable software updates like the Nexus,
Here's an advice... Spend some bucks...
Not releasing JB for Arc/ArcS is unjustified and cruel...
But for Xperia mdpi... Its just asking too much...
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Oh wow, now I'm the bad guy, the greedy, the unsatisfied spoiled brat.
Think about it, dude, the Arc S has the exact same chipset as it's MDPI siblings. Upgrading the Arc S and not the little ones would be worse IMO.
Also, please stop dissing our MDPI Xperias, we're not less deserving than anyone.
Thank you.
Look at what happened to the xperia 2012 flagship? Delayed update, sounds familiar
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hahah that's silly, tipo with 800mhz processor want to run in jb.
compare it to xperia 2011 which mostly got 1Ghz, that's will be more awesomer than that tipo. Tipo doesn't deserve to get the jb update!
Hey guys come on,cool down!! We will get JB. There's Cyanogenmod and lots of good brains here to port great features and all to MDPI. Who needs Sony JB man? I bet (and I wish 4m my heart) that those JB updates for 2012 devices may hav bugs too,like we hav in stock ics. All those bloatwares and all..admit it,even if we had got jb,we wud hav modded,unlockd and get bored of it at certain point. We hav CM ..which is gonna giv us a stable update soon as we see 4m their progress. MIUI v5 has also been ported to Xperia Play..so we can even xpect that smday. There r lots of flavors for us guys.. Ofcourse it'd b great to hav sony jb as base or mayb the media apps..but let's accept, it'd hav bugs. So, thank you Sony for only one thing, the awesome devices of us. And for the upgrades and updates, it's ok..we don't care.
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@pixelado
I think we got great value for money on the hardware itself. I don't see the specs on any 2011 phones for this much money. And our dev section is fully packed, so I don't care much about the jb update. Only downside is those with locked bootloader can't enjoy it.
But still considering that tipo has lower spec than ours, I think tipo getting jb and us not getting it is unfair( I am not complaining though).
mnishamk said:
But still considering that tipo has lower spec than ours, I think tipo getting jb and us not getting it is unfair( I am not complaining though).
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Xperia E has poor hardware specs but yet its launched directly on JB.
Time plays major factor guys...
And Tipo isn't getting JB... its just a fake Rumor nothing else.
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It's not always about processor/gpu .
At the most basic level tipo is "superior" to us.
The 2011 lineup is more similar to the nexus one (yaffs2+ kernel 2.6.x ).Our phones are equipped with raw nand flash.
The 2012 lineup is more similar to nexus S and GNexus (ext4 + kernel 3.0.x).they have emmc based nand flash which allows hardware wear levelling.
Mostly gb was introduced with nexus s and the android archi was modified with it (with assumptions that future Android devices will ship with emmc with hw wear levelling )...android OS upgrades is updated/designed w.r.t to the newest nexus devices .
So technically we are three generations down .
Plus Sony is running two update cycles already ....one for gb and one for ics....
Plus 90 % don't care which OS is running as long as it is running
Xperia 2011 devices may be the only raw nand based device who have the official ICS update...
If operating system is a must
Get a nexus.
Its not a "slap" or whatever . Its reality. Its not feasible economically and technically to spend resources on a 2 year old lineup with hardware constraints of a three year old hardware .
If anything, complain to Google for not providing ics/jb/kernel 3.x to nexus one...might have been easier to work for Sony devs
mnishamk said:
@pixelado
I think we got great value for money on the hardware itself. I don't see the specs on any 2011 phones for this much money. And our dev section is fully packed, so I don't care much about the jb update. Only downside is those with locked bootloader can't enjoy it.
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Well, I do care. An offical JB release would finally bring us what's missing from FXPs CM10: new 3.x kernel and new camera drivers/blobs. Remember how FXP's CM9 improved when the official ICS came out? Now imagine that happening to CM10. I'm not saying it's bad, but it could be much better.
I should know, I run CM10 as a daily driver on my XMP.
karandpr said:
Its not a "slap" or whatever . Its reality. Its not feasible economically and technically to spend resources on a 2 year old lineup with hardware constraints of a three year old hardware .
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I've always wanted to hear this from Sony itself: they sold us old, non-future-proof hardware and got away with it.
I agree with mnishamk to some extent. Yes, we did get quite a bang for the buck, but now I'm starting to seel sorry for those who bought the "flagships" back in the day (Arc S, Play, and the like).
Thanks for shedding some light on this though, it's always good to know
Come on.Just the same reactions all over again.I remember when I used to have an X8 people were mad about not getting official ICS.Now its the same with 2011 xPERIAs and JB.If Sony's update policy isn't clear to you by now I don't think it's their problem.As for CM10 I still think it's great but nowhere near the stock ICS firmware as far as bugs and everyday stability is concerned.
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Pixelado said:
I've always wanted to hear this from Sony itself: they sold us old, non-future-proof hardware and got away with it.
I agree with mnishamk to some extent. Yes, we did get quite a bang for the buck, but now I'm starting to seel sorry for those who bought the "flagships" back in the day (Arc S, Play, and the like).
Thanks for shedding some light on this though, it's always good to know
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I doubt they got away with it.
I think xperia 2011 was a brilliant move by Sony !
Let's take a look at facts periodically.
November 2010 nexus S was released with gb
People were sad that it didn't ship with a card slot .
Sony must be deciding at the chipset
Android 3.0 was a tablet os so it wasn't taken in consideration.
Gb ran smoothly on nexus one and dual core proc. was an overkill .
They must have decided to keep hw as similar to the nexi so they can upgrade smoothly.
Nexus one was better option since it had sd card support.
So they kept one chipset for all phones and focused on other features like camera,design and others ...
In april they released the lineup and it was best bang for buck for mid end .
Latest os ,good camera,awesome music,good design and so on..
In november google trolled n1 users (and xperia 2011 users) by cutting them of the upgrade cycle...
Here is where sony got hit...they had to release the ics update to prevent backlash from high end users even if it was not feasible.
Since the chipset is same ,we got update likewise...
And sony earned a lot of brownie points
Now here is the funny part ..
Samsung galaxy S is similar to nexus s yet they didn't provide with the ICS update
The xperia are one generation down similar to nexus one and yet we received the ics update which is overkill
Sony just got trolled by google :rofl:
I bet we would have got kernel 3.x if n1 had ics update but sadly it isn't so.
predatOr said:
Tell me any other smartphone in the range which has such great specifications...
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Any huawei?
pixelshuck said:
Any huawei?
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Huawei comparison with Sony...
You can get specs in Micromax too then buddy... But these companies don't stand alongside Sony.
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karandpr said:
Xperia 2011 devices may be the only raw nand based device who have the official ICS update...
If operating system is a must
Get a nexus.
Its not a "slap" or whatever . Its reality. Its not feasible economically and technically to spend resources on a 2 year old lineup with hardware constraints of a three year old hardware .
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Thanks for summing up what I have been trying to say all along.
Perfect explanation. :thumbup:
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