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So since there's only about 5 or 6 custom ROM's at the moment I took the liberty of creating a quick site to compare the ROM's. I put them in a comparison table side-by-side, put a link to download them (off my own site [so this can be used as a mirror]) and put a link to my own personal thoughts/semi-informal review of each ROM and included screen-shots of the ROM (90% of it I took myself).
I wanted to share the link/site with you to see what you think. I'm going to try and stay on top of updates and such, and each page on the site has a way for you to leave a comment. So if you have any suggestions or problems, feel free to comment there (or here). Also, if you want to submit your own review, thoughts, suggestions, etc. the site has a way for you to post it and I can look it over and publish it. I'd love for this not to be a one man show. If you have extensive experience with one of the ROM's and want to throw in your own review, post it there and I'll make it live and link to it in the comparison table.
I know I'm going to get blasted, told how stupid and useless the site is, etc. etc. and I'm prepared for that, but maybe you could also include a quick note on why it's stupid, what I need to add, how better to improve it, etc. you know, constructive criticism. I do know it's ugly and using a crappy default skin, but I was more concerned on getting content in there right now vs the look and feel of the actual thing; I'll get around to it, eventually. Anyways, I'm only trying to help.
http://sgs2.glitchsys.com/
Thank you, this is very helpful to a newcomer to Android. I'll try to find time to read through the reviews, as I want to find the right ROM without the hassle of flashing each one (but I guess you'll never know which one works best for you unless you try it...). The comparison table helps a lot.
Nice compilation! Was worth a read! Thanks for gathering all these into one
This is awesome! Many thanks. I had asked to setup something similar a while back with all the Galaxy Tab ROMs. Never took off. I can definitely see that this could take a bit of work keeping it current. Hopefully folks will help out in that area.
i like the work u did...
Thanks for this! Really helpful to new guys.
Serendipity is at 8.1; added the file to the server, updated the Download link and included his changes in the table. It's all good.
i dont think that site is stupid at all. I think it'll help a lot of the newbies but that takes a lot of work to update. As long as it stays updated, I dont see how anyone can say that its a bad idea.
One issue that the devs MIGHT have is that you saved their ROMs and update files to your own server. I know some devs dont like that (at least some on the captivate section didn't) but maybe thats different, here.
Really nice to see all the listed items in there, I know it would be hard to list them all but but maybe point out in the CM7 section more (if not including all seperately) the Modifications, Theme Chooser, Etc. that are built into CM7 by design without the need for more apps, rom tweaks. Also note that the CM7 camera does not have the same options as stock and how the video recording rate is not the 30 fps as with the stock roms. I am trying to be impartial here but thought I would note that looking at your site would make some think CM7 didn't have much to it, when in fact it has many options and setting built in that are not available to stock roms or how stock roms would need some other changes to get things to work the same. On another note the ONLY downfall I see with CM7 is the contact searching would be nicer to have a letter on the side.of the screen like stock does so I don't have to scroll all the way down to find a contact and would be nice to have speed dial working without another app from the market.
Just trying to point out a few plus's and minuses of CM7 to help you add to your great comparison site.
Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2
Nice work -- the only suggestion I would make is that UnNamed's section is huge compared to the others - so unless you are specifically recommending that one, you may want to equalize the columns.
But other than that -- I think a very helpful resource for folks who are new to the phone looking to get a quick comparison of which ROM to try first!
@RockRatt can I use some of your wording in my review? I'll update my CM7 section/review but you wrote a lot of nice ideas.
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@RockRatt can I use some of your wording in my review? I'll update my CM7 section/review but you wrote a lot of nice ideas.
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Of course you can. I am just trying to help out so others can see all the different roms in a somewhat even light as to function and features. I know it is/will be a work in progress and it is looking good.
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I'm not sure if Geeklog has wiki features, but if it does maybe you could give some people editing rights in order to help you keep it up to date. Less work for you.
otherwise, excellent work!
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glitchsys said:
So since there's only about 5 or 6 custom ROM's at the moment I took the liberty of creating a quick site to compare the ROM's.
http://sgs2.glitchsys.com/
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Was looking for something just like this and now it's gone...anyone know what happened to it? or if there's another?
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Nice work -- the only suggestion I would make is that UnNamed's section is huge compared to the others - so unless you are specifically recommending that one, you may want to equalize the columns.
But other than that -- I think a very helpful resource for folks who are new to the phone looking to get a quick comparison of which ROM to try first!
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in other words, its best not to introduce bias..:victory:
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in other words, its best not to introduce bias..:victory:
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pffffttt! competition is healthy. and it's not like people don't have their favorite and tout it as 'the best' at any and every opportunity anyway.
Holy Necro, Batman!
Yeh these crop up every once in a while. Should've sprayed it with crop duster. Dangit. Ah we'll next time .
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Hi,
Not sure if this has been discussed before.. but with my tablet I am constantly running into the need for switching between apps quickly. While this is done easily enough, it would be nice to have more than one application open on the screen at a time. While browsing the web for something that fulfills this, I stumbled upon this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedNfbKVMSM
This is exactly what I need! While this is not an app, this is something that I would love to have. Does anyone have any similar applications they use? Or any work around? I heard that CM9 might have Cornerstone included.. that would be very nice.
Thanks!
That is a very interesting concept. Would be great to enhance productivity. Bout to check out their site.
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EDIT: some info...
http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
EDIT2: Downloaded the zip from github. Looks like a flashable zip, but I'm not taking any chances. No sense in bricking! Maybe someone more educated on this stuff can chime in.
This is something a developer must work into their rom. Just hope that in the future a Rom has one baked into it (that is if you unlock/flash cwm and such).
Please do not request it in the dev section though
I know there was some discussion last week about this and the possiblity of it being incorporated into CM9, but I'm not sure where it ended up.
I know there was a discussion from one of the Google engineers urging people not to do it with ICS (as cornerstone is open source now).
Might want to do a google search to see what comes up.
Dnakaman said:
I know there was some discussion last week about this and the possiblity of it being incorporated into CM9, but I'm not sure where it ended up.
I know there was a discussion from one of the Google engineers urging people not to do it with ICS (as cornerstone is open source now).
Might want to do a google search to see what comes up.
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I will search for this but if you can find direct links that would be awesome (my googling skills are not that great and you know what your looking for)
why would they say not to do this?
Read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1500353&highlight=cornerstone
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Hi,
Not sure if this has been discussed before.. but with my tablet I am constantly running into the need for switching between apps quickly. While this is done easily enough, it would be nice to have more than one application open on the screen at a time. While browsing the web for something that fulfills this, I stumbled upon this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MedNfbKVMSM
This is exactly what I need! While this is not an app, this is something that I would love to have. Does anyone have any similar applications they use? Or any work around? I heard that CM9 might have Cornerstone included.. that would be very nice.
Thanks!
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Their is a thread on the tf 101general interested in porting this over... I've played with this on my tf101and its awesome
Here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23080116
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this would be amazing, I cant wait to see what the devs come up with now that we can unlock this baby.
As we have the bootloader unlock tool, sooner or or later there will be a rom with something like this integrated Cant wait!!
Google should be doing something like that on their own, this is genius. Also its perfect on a 1280x800 screen. More than enough room for multiple windows if you arrange it like cornerstone does.
Not sure it will arrive soon. I saw posts on Google+: this product is quite limited, you can only have the three windows, and can't do another way. Intregration in CM9 had begun but it seems quite hard to achieve, very hard programming stuff...
It may have only 3 windows, but I would settle for just 2 windows.. Just to have the ability to have more than 1 app open at a time.
The post from Cyanogen I read on G+ basically said they're not going to implement this. It takes major changes in source code and frameworks, and was really intended to be a commercial feature that OEMs might add into their roms. Doubt we'll ever see this in a CM build.
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Edit: Aforementioned post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/106527379151691513977/posts/3hkAaD6eah4
adalgiso said:
The post from Cyanogen I read on G+ basically said they're not going to implement this. It takes major changes in source code and frameworks, and was really intended to be a commercial feature that OEMs might add into their roms. Doubt we'll ever see this in a CM build.
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Edit: Aforementioned post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/106527379151691513977/posts/3hkAaD6eah4
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Well that is a bummer. Could have really used something to open multiple windows...
Personally I would much rather see a true multi-windowed environment such as the one by wind River (http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/7/2688901/android-multi-windowing-wind-river-software-modules) or Ixonos (http://hothardware.com/News/Ixonos-Creates-MultiWindow-Solution-For-Android/)
These are true windowed environments, and make much more sense to me on a larger (tablet) screen.
thanks to htc not releasing kernel source, our dev is at a stand still....Nothing against joel, chad, you guys are great, but damb this 3d technology is just too secretive and they arent giving nothing out... so peace, back t owork
Haven't seen the Mean and Clean rom threads, I take it
Very useful post, thank you so much. We all appreciate your incredible insight onto the subject.
Disregard this post.
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Kernels typically mean almost NOTHING. With them you can over clock your phone but that's mostly it. Some make things smoother. We only have a couple of kernel devs and they aren't in high demand anymore. Wanna know why? They aren't as useful as people think they are.
Without kernal source we can't OC the newest OTA. That's it.
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Please tell me your kidding...
Lol kernel source means alot more than OC on current builds
SoraX64 said:
Kernels typically mean almost NOTHING. With them you can over clock your phone but that's mostly it. Some make things smoother. We only have a couple of kernel devs and they aren't in high demand anymore. Wanna know why? They aren't as useful as people think they are.
Without kernal source we can't OC the newest OTA. That's it.
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I don't have time to sit and type out everything the kernel does, and how it can improve performance drastically ,( without OC) but I do have time to say that your info is wrong and I'd recommend researching quite a bit more.
Luthien1 said:
thanks to htc not releasing kernel source, our dev is at a stand still....Nothing against joel, chad, you guys are great, but damb this 3d technology is just too secretive and they arent giving nothing out... so peace, back t owork
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Uh, yes we know this. Complain to HTC not us please. Thanks. Not trying to troll but this was pointless
SoraX64 said:
Kernels typically mean almost NOTHING. With them you can over clock your phone but that's mostly it. Some make things smoother. We only have a couple of kernel devs and they aren't in high demand anymore. Wanna know why? They aren't as useful as people think they are.
Without kernal source we can't OC the newest OTA. That's it.
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You have to be joking??!!!!
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You have to be joking??!!!!
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Lol I think he is confusing modems with kernels hahahahaha
SoraX64 said:
Kernels typically mean almost NOTHING. With them you can over clock your phone but that's mostly it. Some make things smoother. We only have a couple of kernel devs and they aren't in high demand anymore. Wanna know why? They aren't as useful as people think they are.
Without kernal source we can't OC the newest OTA. That's it.
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with most kernels...yes, all you get is OC
there are some, including myself and leedroid for example who actually enhance the phone experience
my kernels for example: i dont really OC either - i run everything at mfg spec
--> some features may need additional support from the rom
1) better battery life
2) way better audio quality (in both aosp and sense, with or without beats) . (suck it apple)
3) 48khz/24bit 2 channel audio over bluetooth
4) gpu enahncements
5) ntfs support (see #7 below)
6) vpn and wifi dialing support
7) usb host mode support - support for external usb keyboards, and storage devices, upto 4TB in size)
8) sql enahncements
9) 100% beats sound drivers over AUX, BT, and internal speaker
10) +mA over MHL/HDMI (only on some devices - due to differences in hardware)
11) extended wifi range, with faster xfer rates
12) faster charge rates, even when using pc usb port
13) CIFS access to windows server file shares
and last, but not least - but most important
14) my kernel was the 1st (and still the only as of the time of this post, per XDA member feedback) shooter kernel to make 4.0.3 fast enough to even be usable and provide 100% 2d and 3d gpu hardware acceleration
14a) i had the 1st ICS kernel on the shooter to have working: hw accel, bluetooth, usb disk drive mode support, multitouch, and wifi. --- yes THE FIRST KERNEL for 4.0.1 to offer that
as far as htc releasing source - all i need is their updated GPU code
i got camera 100% stable on 2.17 roms without ANY SOURCE to work from - all the remaining issues are gpu related
..these are just the major changes - good luck getting any ONE of these on a stock kernel
chad.goodman said:
with most kernels...yes, all you get is OC
there are some, including myself and leedroid for example who actually enhance the phone experience
my kernels for example: i dont really OC either - i run everything at mfg spec
--> some features may need additional support from the rom
1) better battery life
2) way better audio quality (in both aosp and sense, with or without beats) . (suck it apple)
3) 48khz/24bit 2 channel audio over bluetooth
4) gpu enahncements
5) ntfs support (see #7 below)
6) vpn and wifi dialing support
7) usb host mode support - support for external usb keyboards, and storage devices, upto 4TB in size)
8) sql enahncements
9) 100% beats sound drivers over AUX, BT, and internal speaker
10) +mA over MHL/HDMI (only on some devices - due to differences in hardware)
11) extended wifi range, with faster xfer rates
12) faster charge rates, even when using pc usb port
13) CIFS access to windows server file shares
and last, but not least - but most important
14) my kernel was the 1st (and still the only as of the time of this post, per XDA member feedback) shooter kernel to make 4.0.3 fast enough to even be usable and provide 100% 2d and 3d gpu hardware acceleration
14a) i had the 1st ICS kernel on the shooter to have working: hw accel, bluetooth, usb disk drive mode support, multitouch, and wifi. --- yes THE FIRST KERNEL for 4.0.1 to offer that
as far as htc releasing source - all i need is their updated GPU code
i got camera 100% stable on 2.17 roms without ANY SOURCE to work from - all the remaining issues are gpu related
..these are just the major changes - good luck getting any ONE of these on a stock kernel
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I'm new to the 3D forums but this is the best post I've seen here yet. Thank you
Luthien1 said:
thanks to htc not releasing kernel source, our dev is at a stand still....Nothing against joel, chad, you guys are great, but damb this 3d technology is just too secretive and they arent giving nothing out... so peace, back t owork
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Thank you for your disrespect. It's noted.
SoraX64 said:
Kernels typically mean almost NOTHING. With them you can over clock your phone but that's mostly it. Some make things smoother. We only have a couple of kernel devs and they aren't in high demand anymore. Wanna know why? They aren't as useful as people think they are.
Without kernal source we can't OC the newest OTA. That's it.
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This is one of the most ignorant posts i have ever read, and I deal with ignorant posts on a daily basis. You know why there aren't as many kernel devs as "rom" devs? Because you actually have to write code to make a kernel. There are thousands of rom chefs because someone did the hard work for them and made a kitchen. You plug in the rom, do a couple things and you have a rom. Kernel devs spend hours upon hours sometimes just trying to get a phone to boot. For a lot of times the least amount of respect, because you can't visibly see their work a lot of the time. Do some freaking research before you make ignorant claims about things you don't know.
I'm sorry for the rant, but this post just made me angry.
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So much anger from one little post.. Ha.
If you read my post, you will see that I said "Typically, kernels mean NOTHING". Chad basically confirms this in his post right at the beginning: "with most kernels...yes, all you get is OC". He then went on to give examples of how GOOD kernel devs add things to their kernels to make them better. Chad is an example of a good dev. He will work hard to put all of those things in that help people.
But I hate to have to say this: you can only change so much about something without making it mostly your own. Chad is an example of someone who puts tons of work into his kernels, which makes the kernel a special one.
Note that I did not say "All kernels are useless, you shouldn't bother with custom kernels." Why didn't I say that? Because I don't believe it. There are special kernels out there.
But take a look at this. It isn't completely applicable to the argument at hand, but it is a cohesive study put on by an XDA member using various Nexus S kernels. As you will see, there are not tons of differences in performance scores, besides a few exceptions.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdFZ6VDRQV0cxRXFVT2dKYm94bWJyQ0E#gid=0
Please, do not jump on me because you mistook what I said as a personal attack against developers like Chad that make quality kernels. OP was blaming a lack of kernel source as a cause of "sucky" development. Development isn't at a standstill at all. That was what my post was responding to. If you actually put the time in to understand the words there instead of getting angry because it looked like an attack, you'll see what I meant. The list of improvements that kernel source that Chad posted is fine and dandy and all, but those are things that are added to the development process that most users don't realize are present, nor do they clamor for such features to be added to kernels. The good developers know what those different things do, and since they want to release a quality kernel, they add those things to their work.
Not having those things isn't hindering development. I don't like to say this, but to the typical end user those additions don't mean anything if their phone doesn't run faster. Those features can be added in and people will just say "awesome kernel, so smooth and my battery can last longer now!" without ever really knowing what it is that's causing that (it also doesn't help that a lot of developers don't have detailed changelogs, and instead say things like "Optimized some stuff so that battery is better").
In summation, I'm not attacking kernel devs or saying that their work is useless. I'm saying that the brunt of the work put into kernels that are released doesn't exactly advance development a terrible amount. They offer extra features on top of already developed ones, like better performance, battery life, sound, and etc., as Chad said. But to say that development sucks because the newest base doesn't have kernel source available for it, when a very small amount of people are interested in Sense 3.0 on top of GB anymore, is just folly and I felt the need to say something about it. I'm sorry for the people that I rubbed the wrong way, and I didn't mean anything bad towards any developers.
And also, on a second look to my first post, I should have added that kernels typically don't mean much to the overall DEVELOPMENT process. Except in cases where a kernel is necessary to fix things, a lot of the development in porting and such doesn't rely heavily on a feature filled kernel.
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So much anger from one little post.. Ha.
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I apologize for the rant and the anger was more directed at the op than at you. However even after walking away and coming back the tone of your post to me was still slightly disrespectful. Not as much as when I first read it, but I don't believe I am the only one who took it that way. I'm not going to argue about it, I've said my peace, and am moving on, if you didn't mean for it sound like it was taken then the interpretation was lost.
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just wanted to add (a small venting session) - i spend hours - just on camera for 2.17 alone, over 200 - and i read msgs like post 3 ???
camera on 2.17 based roms - any kernel but htc stock (prior to my newer ones) - app FCed - wouldnt take pics at all
my newer kenrels - with no source to work from - take pics, and damn good ones
cost: about 200 hours of work, headaches, and family issues - but it got done
why are my kernels private? and not released to the public...under GPL i do not need to release source to the public if i dont release a kernel to the public - and last time i did something like this, i got kanged, and others took credit, or gave credit to another developer who in fact released weeks after me - AND STILL REPORTED ME FOR GPL VIOLATIONS when i was in fact 100% compliant
just because you all cant find my GIT repos dont mean they dont exist - every one of my kernels, even the private ones are either on github, or code.google.com - and they ALL have TIMESTAMPS of my commits and people still wanted to say i kanged others (who dont have 1/2 the features as me - and who commited WEEKS (not days or hours, but full weeks) after me.. this is why as of right now - i have no kernel thread in the 3d section of xda - but i do have threads in other sections of xda, where people are more grateful for what is GIVEN TO THEM FOR FREE - and yes, there is a GIT repo for the other kernel just as there was for the kernels i had in this forum - that was available to all users (just with beats and intellianthrax removed)
now people are on ME (not htc - but me) for source... my newer kernels are not public
so if EVERYONE who has went after me or made threats to go after me for GPL actually went after htc - they would be posting updates sooner
and adding
1st kernel to NOT have BSOD on incomming calls for shooter
i did a lot of things FIRST and i got the GIT COMMIT timestamps to prove it
one last vent
$3000 for 1st court case re: nda violation and to fight C&D - i won - but i still had to pay $3000 for a legal retainer
*drama on XDA caused owners of the NDA to reconsider their agreement and revoke it.
to date: $300 for threats someone on XDA made against me re: GPL when in fact the kernels they reported (or made threats to report) had a public git repo - and the person(s) reporting was given a link in public forum to the repo, as well as screen shots of said git repo... he/she/they/robert wilson (hotaru) still reported me (or made public threats to report me)
in order to protect myself, i did consult with a attorney - and if the asswipe did actually report me to gpl-violations - i know i will win the case, but thats another $3000 in fees im stuck with
so
$3300 to date in legal fees paid
200 hours just for 2.17 camera to work
wow.... how ungrateful some people could be
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I apologize for the rant and the anger was more directed at the op than at you. However even after walking away and coming back the tone of your post to me was still slightly disrespectful. Not as much as when I first read it, but I don't believe I am the only one who took it that way. I'm not going to argue about it, I've said my peace, and am moving on, if you didn't mean for it sound like it was taken then the interpretation was lost.
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I'm sorry for the disrespectful tone in my post. I guess personal stress is starting to show up in my posting. I was trying to be more aggressive towards the OP because he was whining like many people have been lately about stuff like this and ICS updates. But like I said, stress probably made the post more antagonistic than it should have been. I had a big fight with my girlfriend today and I'm stressed about school and paying for college. I guess I just snapped a bit.
@Chad: Please read my previous post if you're feeling ill-will towards me. I tried to clear up the misunderstanding. I respect your work greatly, having been very interested in the development scene since I first got my OG Evo. I hate seeing all of the crap that you're put through because of your work, and I'm sorry you have to deal with all of that just because you're better than the rest.
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SoraX64 said:
I'm sorry for the disrespectful tone in my post. I guess personal stress is starting to show up in my posting. I was trying to be more aggressive towards the OP because he was whining like many people have been lately about stuff like this and ICS updates. But like I said, stress probably made the post more antagonistic than it should have been. I had a big fight with my girlfriend today and I'm stressed about school and paying for college. I guess I just snapped a bit.
@Chad: Please read my previous post if you're feeling ill-will towards me. I tried to clear up the misunderstanding. I respect your work greatly, having been very interested in the development scene since I first got my OG Evo. I hate seeing all of the crap that you're put through because of your work, and I'm sorry you have to deal with all of that just because you're better than the rest.
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i posted b4 i saw ur post - BUT im still in general fed up with the shooter users on xda in general - other forums in xda have been drama free - and forums on sites outside of xda have been drama free
i put hours upon hours into this - then cause of peoples actions on XDA - i end up putting money into it as well - then to read posts like this is very upsetting
fact is - people are given something they can choose to use (or not use) - they see you can do things no one else has ever done on xda at all for any device PERIOD (and XDA is a huge community with 1000s of developers) - they wanna kang you, when they cant - they cause u legal issues
to be clear - never did i say i was the best - and i know im not
...when it comes to understanding kernels for these phones (or any phone), Ziggy prolly knows WAY MORE than me
--my skill set is around C in general, I coded in C, C++, COBOL, and RPG-IV for over 5 years for the government (and code i had access to)
now when it comes to closed source IBM mainframe (s/390-zSeries) and midrange (as/400-iSeries) kernels -- its on
just look at the features, (and stability) i got working and compare it to ANY kernel on XDA for ANY device - and take into account user's feedback - most (not some - but most) users on my kernels get ZERO random reboots, lock ups, freezes, etc - this includes RDs who pushed my kernel to their phones limit with the intent to cause a reboot
SoraX64 said:
I'm sorry for the disrespectful tone in my post. I guess personal stress is starting to show up in my posting. I was trying to be more aggressive towards the OP because he was whining like many people have been lately about stuff like this and ICS updates. But like I said, stress probably made the post more antagonistic than it should have been. I had a big fight with my girlfriend today and I'm stressed about school and paying for college. I guess I just snapped a bit.
@Chad: Please read my previous post if you're feeling ill-will towards me. I tried to clear up the misunderstanding. I respect your work greatly, having been very interested in the development scene since I first got my OG Evo. I hate seeing all of the crap that you're put through because of your work, and I'm sorry you have to deal with all of that just because you're better than the rest.
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No worries. My 3 year old was losing his mind while I was responding the first time. Which is why I was more aggressive, well that and I'm just sick of some of the crap here. Some of the stuff we as users put devs through is ludicrous. And it's time for it to change.
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i posted b4 i saw ur post - BUT im still in general fed up with the shooter users on xda in general - other forums in xda have been drama free - and forums on sites outside of xda have been drama free
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Hopefully, here soon, the shooter trolls will start to disperse.
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chad.goodman said:
i posted b4 i saw ur post - BUT im still in general fed up with the shooter users on xda in general - other forums in xda have been drama free - and forums on sites outside of xda have been drama free
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XDA is (as far as I know) the biggest Android development site around. Anyone who asks about development is sent to here. That attracts a lot of assholes (like myself. ) and the like. Seems this phone got unlucky and we've got a bunch of drama queens here.
Such a shame, because of the potential this phone has. I hate seeing morons chasing away devs and then complaining of a lack of development. It makes me wish we could take all of the good users and migrate to Rootzwiki. Much better site overall, because it is less popular. But the idiots would follow there as well.
With the way the community treats devs and generally acts stupidly, I worry that we will soon see days where everything is released over IRC instead of forums. Which might actually work, if you think about it.
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people, including my family, ask me WHY i do this, why i spend hours making kernels
i make them for my personal phone - i want the best on my phone - the best sound, the best performance, the best battery life (yes battery life AND performance)
why do i share? knowing it has already cost me over $3000
well - a great man once told me
-turn rage into hope
-turn hate into hope
but come $6000 in legal fees - you all wont see me again on XDA as a developer - ever
all i EXPECT is people to be thankful, respectful, and civil - nothing more, nothing less
and i know im not the only developer that left the shooter forums due to drama here at xda - a lot of great developers left
(ziggy, the rcmix kernel dude for example)
I have looked and read and cannot find anything specific about this topic for THIS PHONE.
I asked my question in the Phone Bricker thread, and LilChris advised me to look elsewhere as he had no answer.
My question is this;
Is it worth using this script on this phone (AT&T Running international software base (Phone Bricker), and just what does it do, at least from a Kernel's point of view. I am already running NEAK, and it has a lot of settings, on top of Vert's theme and a custom ROM, I am wondering if this is not only safe to use, but if it makes any sense.
Thanks in advance for any non flame replies!
You made me sound like I didn't want to help. Lol
I just haven't had time to test it myself since I am always flashing new stuff for future updates.
Will be looking at this for some feedback as well.
I've used it before, yes it works and your phone definitely feels a lot faster. That said, I haven't tried it with ics yet. So no idea if it'd play nice. May wanna ask him in his thread?
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Phalanx7621 said:
I've used it before, yes it works and your phone definitely feels a lot faster. That said, I haven't tried it with ics yet. So no idea if it'd play nice. May wanna ask him in his thread?
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That's an excellent point. I'll give that a try.
As for LilChris, your always most helpful, but I would assume you have your limits as well. As this is an add-on and there are thousands of them, I don't know what I was thinking.
Honestly I was afraid to get flamed so I posted it in the Phone Bricker forums. Too many trolls/flamers here for my liking.
I have been using it on every ROM I have flashed. Never had a problem with it. Works out great for me...
Well after posting in Zepplinroxx' forum, I was assured that the script would work fine with no danger to the phone. As it's just a script it would (in theory) work in almost all Android devices.
Here is a link that they posted me too that explains the V6 Supercharger in a bit more detail (and in english)
http://androidspin.com/2011/11/02/v6-supercharger-the-android-memory-fixer/
I'm currently using supernexus on my i-777 with whatever kernel it came with. I keep seeing 'siyah' come up in discussion as "fast and smooth" so I'm considering flashing it. However, none of my searches have retrieved any threads where 'kernel' is actually defined or discussion of how/why you would choose to change the kernel from the one the rom dev considers best in his rom.
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Here you go.
This is a very easy thing to research on your own. Google is yer friend. Lots of information on this.
In before lock!
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Phalanx7621 said:
This is a very easy thing to research on your own. Google is yer friend. Lots of information on this.
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You know its funny. I searched in searched within xda and never once thought of just googling it. My bad.
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Hey, make sure to add at the end of your search query: xda
Clay
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sharonbw said:
You know its funny. I searched in searched within xda and never once thought of just googling it. My bad.
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I find it hard to believe that you searched xda at all. The first result of a basic "what is a kernel" search is an xda wiki article that explains exactly what it is in lay terms. Maybe you were searching for things like "where is the popcorn", I don't know. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't, which then leaves us with the only other possibility I can think of: no, you didn't do your research. So please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that you did.
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I find it hard to believe that you searched xda at all. The first result of a basic "what is a kernel" search is an xda wiki article that explains exactly what it is in lay terms. Maybe you were searching for things like "where is the popcorn", I don't know. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't, which then leaves us with the only other possibility I can think of: no, you didn't do your research. So please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that you did.
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nitox.n2o said:
I find it hard to believe that you searched xda at all. The first result of a basic "what is a kernel" search is an xda wiki article that explains exactly what it is in lay terms. Maybe you were searching for things like "where is the popcorn", I don't know. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't, which then leaves us with the only other possibility I can think of: no, you didn't do your research. So please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that you did.
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Wouldn't I actually be insulting my own intelligence by claiming I searched and didn't find what I needed? I'm quite sure you are much smarter than me.
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brandonarev said:
In before lock!
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LOL
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Don't hold your breath on getting any 'this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel' info in here either. I have yet to see anyone here taking a critical review of what each has to offer in comparison to any other, or in relation to each with stability, enabled capabilities, pro's cons, etc that isn't just self promoting. This is the first forum in XDA that I've found the majority of active users just flashing whatever is currently promoted as best without question. I assume the developers are more or less tired of the static and stay away, and I get that, I would too.
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Don't hold your breath on getting any 'this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel' info in here either. I have yet to see anyone here taking a critical review of what each has to offer in comparison to any other, or in relation to each with stability, enabled capabilities, pro's cons, etc that isn't just self promoting. This is the first forum in XDA that I've found the majority of active users just flashing whatever is currently promoted as best without question. I assume the developers are more or less tired of the static and stay away, and I get that, I would too.
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I understand that! I was almost one of the sheep but embarrassment got me to read pretty thoroughly (ok a lot was wikipedia) and decide I'm happy with whatever kernel Faryaab puts in his rom.
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SoCalHTCFuze said:
Don't hold your breath on getting any 'this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel' info in here either. I have yet to see anyone here taking a critical review of what each has to offer in comparison to any other, or in relation to each with stability, enabled capabilities, pro's cons, etc that isn't just self promoting. This is the first forum in XDA that I've found the majority of active users just flashing whatever is currently promoted as best without question. I assume the developers are more or less tired of the static and stay away, and I get that, I would too.
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The major reason there are no "this kernel vs that kernel vs stock kernel" threads is that they typically devolve into a bunch of pointless bickering and get closed by mods. After numerous times this has happened (no only on the i777 forums) they are now 'officially' not allowed and will get closed immediately.
At one point quite some time ago, someone started a thread that included a bunch of statistics to try to document more quantitively the differences between ROMs and Kernels - I think there was a set method of sending data to the OP of that thread, and it was being compiled into a spreadsheet. IIRC this was back in the GB days - the thread is probably buried deep in the general forum somewhere. Without some type of quantitative analysis/support, there are just too many individual variables (e.g. better/worse cell signal, set of installed apps, usage patterns, screen brightness settings, etc. etc. etc.) to really determine what kernel is 'better' than another. It is much more important for a kernel to be 'good' for an individual user's situation.
The best way to determine that, is to try one and see. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, we here at the i777 forums don't have a huge array of kernels to choose from so this individual testing is not particularly onerous.
Thank you dandrumheller, that was the best answer I've seen on here to date related to kernels! It explains why everyone is so incredibly evasive in offering any information.
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Thank you dandrumheller, that was the best answer I've seen on here to date related to kernels! It explains why everyone is so incredibly evasive in offering any information.
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Although that didn't actually answer my (op) question it sure explains a lot!!!
I answered my own question by googling - what I should have done in the first place!
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sharonbw said:
Although that didn't actually answer my (op) question it sure explains a lot!!!
I answered my own question by googling - what I should have done in the first place!
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Now that's what I like to hear.
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