N4 Conversion Vs Stock (Pros and Cons)

N4 Conversion Vs Stock (Pros and Cons) - AT&T LG Optimus G

I figured it is time to start a thread to discuss the pros and cons of applying the N4 conversion Vs staying on a Stock-based rom.
This should clear the development threads of "Should I flash it?" questions.
I have tried the N4 conversion and have run Stock 4.2.1, and CM10.1.
In the end, I have decided to return to a Stock based Rom. (Back to Nocturnal 1.3)
Here is what I have to say:
N-4 Conversion:
- Pros
NOTICEALBE Performance gains
Huge Camera improvement. (Makes stock camera look like complete crap)
-Nuetral
8gb limitation is actually OK for me. (If you live in a good LTE area)
-Cons
Capacitave Buttons do not work - this can cause confusion because we are all used to them by now
Spotty bluetooth functionality - I cannot use my bluetooth car adapter
No Car Mode - This is a dealbreaker for me
Stock-Based ROM
-Pros
Everything works
-Cons
Crappy camera
Outdated OS

if it's any consolation, the bluetooth issue is a known issue across 4.2.1. Should be fixed in 4.2.2

The only cons I have in regards of the N4 conversion which I have been running since the day it came out are SD card and internal storage.

No offense, but just because 8 gb works for you doesn't make it a pro. I'm sure that there's a lot of people who would do the conversion if there was more space available.

MrZim4 said:
No offense, but just because 8 gb works for you doesn't make it a pro. I'm sure that there's a lot of people who would do the conversion if there was more space available.
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It's a pro because it works for him. The list is his opinion and not meant to represent the views of everyone. This much should be obvious.

MrZim4 said:
No offense, but just because 8 gb works for you doesn't make it a pro. I'm sure that there's a lot of people who would do the conversion if there was more space available.
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Non taken.
But let me clarify.... If you are in an area with good LTE coverage (like Dallas), and AT&T is not throttling you after 5 gigs of usage (WOO HOO!) then the statement holds true for me.

- i thought the external SDcard didn't mount properly on the N4 conversion.
- I'm not sure how having 8GB limitation is actually considered in the 'Pro' catagory...neutral in your case perhaps, but i can't figure how it's an advantage.
- regarding the camera. i find the stock camera to be suitable. the only issue i've had is that when i took a picture of my cat, her eyes were bright yellow. i took a few shots and all were the same...perhaps she actually is possessed (i have seriously considered that option in the past).
"outdated" seems a bit overzealous..but then again, I'm still running Windows 7.
the OS is a year old and given Androids @6mth release cycle that equates to two revisions.
4.0.4 hit shelves in Nov 2011
4.1 hit shelves in July of 2012
4.2 hit shelves in Nov 2012
given that until just a few years ago, changing the OS on your phone was simply not an option. it's funny how quickly folks forget such things and get upset if they cannot have full customization rights within weeks of release.
all in all, i am very pleased with the LGOG as it sits. yes, i look forward to getting back onto CyanogenMod and wish LG would hurry up and release the source so the devs can make it happen. or perhaps i'm looking at AT&T to lift some restriction placed on LG. either way, i think LG did a very fine job with the Optimus UI. and if (god forbid) this is what i have for the next 18mths...i will not whine too very much. at least not for quite a while.
so...
no external SDcard...8gb of 16gb usable...
and our primary devs saying 'yeah, i'd not try this yet, it's as hacky a thing as you're likely to see hacked.'
i think i'll wait a while longer.

Cons for N4: highly risky, Devs don't support it, it isn't even recommended by the team involved, it's bad for the SoC, etc;
It's up for people to toy with, not to run daily, and if you brick, your pretty much screwed as the IRC devs don't want to/know how to help.
I understand it is completely optional, but a thread like this is unnecessary as it's all stated in the OP and thread, and it might encourage unskilled owners to do things beyond their knowledge, brick, and spam the forums.

Heh nygfan, they do know precisely how to help unless a user has absolute hippopotamus poop for luck. It's just that they figured out how to do this before the E970 was even for sale and thought it best to not release it to the public because contrary to FreeGee and the other ROMs, there is a real risk of brick where there is none with FreeGee. I'm sure there are other reasons why this isn't considered safe and practical by the Powers That Be in the IRC channel, but I am not privy to them. However, I am privy to knowledge that we have some wonderful developers and once the Korean JB kernel source drops we will have all the pimpness under the sun.

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Heh nygfan, they do know precisely how to help unless a user has absolute hippopotamus poop for luck. It's just that they figured out how to do this before the E970 was even for sale and thought it best to not release it to the public because contrary to FreeGee and the other ROMs, there is a real risk of brick where there is none with FreeGee. I'm sure there are other reasons why this isn't considered safe and practical by the Powers That Be in the IRC channel, but I am not privy to them. However, I am privy to knowledge that we have some wonderful developers and once the Korean JB kernel source drops we will have all the pimpness under the sun.
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No, I completely agree, I meant if you completely screw up they can't help, and yeah when JB source comes out

Opinion based pros: Latest JB software, Better quality camera pictures, cm10.1, official google now.
Opinion based cons: after running benchmarks, I've notice an huge decrease in performance, 8gb(but only get 5gigs), can't remember rest...

nfc is fixed in n4 conversion now?

Very glad to hear that the camera pics are better. I was wondering if that would happen, especially when the annoying perpetual auto focus was no longer an issue.
Does the flash now pre- light before a darker pic to help with focus?
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The 8 gigs is a deal breaker for me, I bought this phone so I can have 32 gigs
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I'm glad you put it out there like that bro, I'm always down for trying something new but not when that something is potentially harmful. Its like I said in the "bounty won" thread, it will likely give people with less knowledge a false sense that its a go, then were dealing with a thread all about "help!, I bricked doing the N4 mod!" Alot of people don't read everything they should and jump the gun, listen to the devs that hacked it. And as far as our "outdated os, if I'm not mistaken 2.3 is still either ahead or now just falling behind ICS, jellybean is barely creeping up over 12%? I run 4.2.1 aokp on my s3, and aside from themes etc..our og kills it performance wise, I'm ramblin now, peace out
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I have a 64gb micro se full of music, I listen to it at work since I'm deep in the building with no lte, I tried the conversion and it's great. But went back to stock since I can't work without my 64gb of music...

Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually bricked their phone with this hack?
The instructions are pretty clear for installing it.
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I couldn't install the Nexus 4 hack. Tried 30times. The it was showing COM8 but when I choose the bin and the DLL and pressed start it was just preparing.
Slick Rom v3

gregk232 said:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually bricked their phone with this hack?
The instructions are pretty clear for installing it.
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It takes like 5 mins to install once you are completely ready to go
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I don't know I've never seen anyone actually brick their device from doing the hack. It seems like the other devs just don't want to work with it because they have other projects... Just my opinion
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Would you recommend this phone?

Hey guys, long time android user here. Started out with the G1, then the Galaxy S, then a Viewsonic Gtablet, and am currently on a galaxy nexus and a transformer prime tablet, and have rooted and flashed multiple roms on each and every one, thanks to the wisdom and guidance found in the XDA community. My question is this: my wife is currently with tmobile and her 2 year contract is up. I want her to come to verizon with me (for many reasons) she will be coming from a HTC G2. Would you recommend this phone? I know it may be hard to be unbiased on this but please try. I've never had a hummingbird processor before, and the 8mp camera beats my 5mp on my nexus (at least on paper). She does heavy web browsing, google searching everything under the sun, not much on gaming, but we have a four year old that loves to use our phones for games so that wouldn't hurt. The main thing she uses it for is the camera, and video camera. Could some one possibly make me a short list of pros and cons as you have found them to be while using this phone as a daily driver? There is no one i trust more then members of the XDA community so your oppinions on this phone will pretty much make my decision for me, thanks!!

vballrkc said:
Hey guys, long time android user here. Started out with the G1, then the Galaxy S, then a Viewsonic Gtablet, and am currently on a galaxy nexus and a transformer prime tablet, and have rooted and flashed multiple roms on each and every one, thanks to the wisdom and guidance found in the XDA community. My question is this: my wife is currently with tmobile and her 2 year contract is up. I want her to come to verizon with me (for many reasons) she will be coming from a HTC G2. Would you recommend this phone? I know it may be hard to be unbiased on this but please try. I've never had a hummingbird processor before, and the 8mp camera beats my 5mp on my nexus (at least on paper). She does heavy web browsing, google searching everything under the sun, not much on gaming, but we have a four year old that loves to use our phones for games so that wouldn't hurt. The main thing she uses it for is the camera, and video camera. Could some one possibly make me a short list of pros and cons as you have found them to be while using this phone as a daily driver? There is no one i trust more then members of the XDA community so your oppinions on this phone will pretty much make my decision for me, thanks!!
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Short answer: Nope and I would not recommend Verizon either if you have any other choice.
This phone is outdated and no longer vendor supported, the boot loader is locked so its hard to get custom ROMs done and the stock GB android can be slow and now is 3 versions behind. Moto will not provide any more updates.

if you're doing it for monetary reasons, its an OK phone. You'll get an older higher end phone for $50 (07/14/2012) rather than a newer cheapo or freebie. It wasn't terribly successful due to the Bionic & Razr coming out shortly after and both offering more.
As mentioned above, OE support is dead. We have a nice community here with two ROMs that are still supported though.
Eclipse is rock solid stable and based upon the current 2.3.5 release from motorizon. There is also the alpha release of CM9 which will give you ICS. There were others but they haven't been updated.
As for the previous comments on Verizon, I wouldn't go anywhere else. The only other carrier in my area is ATT and if you actually want coverage you go with Verizon.
If I was getting a phone today I'd go Razr or S3.

three west said:
if you're doing it for monetary reasons, its an OK phone. You'll get an older higher end phone for $50 (07/14/2012) rather than a newer cheapo or freebie. It wasn't terribly successful due to the Bionic & Razr coming out shortly after and both offering more.
As mentioned above, OE support is dead. We have a nice community here with two ROMs that are still supported though.
Eclipse is rock solid stable and based upon the current 2.3.5 release from motorizon. There is also the alpha release of CM9 which will give you ICS. There were others but they haven't been updated.
As for the previous comments on Verizon, I wouldn't go anywhere else. The only other carrier in my area is ATT and if you actually want coverage you go with Verizon.
If I was getting a phone today I'd go Razr or S3.
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Like I said, if you have any other choice , Otherwise give the devil his due. I use Virgin Mobile with better services at half the price of Verizon

DigitalMD said:
Like I said, if you have any other choice , Otherwise give the devil his due. I use Virgin Mobile with better services at half the price of Verizon
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Half the price, really? How many lines and what type of plan?
Thanks,

This phone is over a year old. Why would you choose this phone over newer ones? This phone isn't all that great. If you use it as is, its still buggy. The devs here make this thing worth having. But even then, devs are moving on to other devices now and Motorola isn't even giving us an official ICS update. So unless you plan on hacking this phone up for her, I wouldn't recommend it.
EDIT: A lot of people here are switching to to HTC Droid Incredible or the Rezound.

jsgraphicart said:
This phone is over a year old. Why would you choose this phone over newer ones? This phone isn't all that great. If you use it as is, its still buggy. The devs here make this thing worth having. But even then, devs are moving on to other devices now and Motorola isn't even giving us an official ICS update. So unless you plan on hacking this phone up for her, I wouldn't recommend it.
EDIT: A lot of people here are switching to to HTC Droid Incredible or the Rezound.
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because if you have $50 to spend this is a way better phone than say a Wildfire or something else thats $50
oh, and I actually just had family up, who is unfortunately considering switching away from virgin mobile to verizon because their phone quit working 60 miles away.

Move to West Virginia, Sprint and Virgin thrive and narry a Verizon or T-Mob tower in sight

Little Advice from Current Owners

I am seriously considering getting the OG for my next phone. Only one thing worries me, and that is the development community. I have been burned before (HTC Vivid) by buying what looks like a great phone, only to get no support from the dev community. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you think the devs are going to come, or is the draw of the N4 too great?

argolfermd said:
I am seriously considering getting the OG for my next phone. Only one thing worries me, and that is the development community. I have been burned before (HTC Vivid) by buying what looks like a great phone, only to get no support from the dev community. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you think the devs are going to come, or is the draw of the N4 too great?
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Well, obviously the dev community is here to the extent that Team CodeFire has successfully unlocked the bootloader. There is also a modified stock ROM available (which I am happily using). We should also be expecting AOSP 4.2 pretty soon (heard rumors of possibly this Friday). While there aren't many ROM options at the moment, the dev community is definitely present and I believe it's only a matter of time before we start seeing more support.

I am seriously hoping that the N4 base is able to be easily ported over as mentioned. This would make this phone a Nexus 4 but with LTE and SD!!
Honestly though, I feel LG really has a nice UI on top compared to Sense and TouchWiz.

I am definitely watching with great interest. Would love to upgrade to the OG, even though my wife insists nothing is wrong with my Vivid. I have had it over a year. Isn't that reason enough to upgrade...

argolfermd said:
I am definitely watching with great interest. Would love to upgrade to the OG, even though my wife insists nothing is wrong with my Vivid. I have had it over a year. Isn't that reason enough to upgrade...
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Hell I've changed phones 10 times this year.
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argolfermd said:
I am definitely watching with great interest. Would love to upgrade to the OG, even though my wife insists nothing is wrong with my Vivid. I have had it over a year. Isn't that reason enough to upgrade...
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Yeah dude get the og
the best phone ever
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I came from vivid too
the best phone ever

Take this with a grain of salt: as in I hold no liability for this point of view.
The Captivate had identical hardware to the Nexus S and it *STILL* has a strong dev community. There is more that goes into that than just devs but, the similar hardware helps loads.
The phone despite have a very low number of devs still has an unlocked bootloader and I feel safe in saying the devs who are here are fairly high quality.
Even if we never attract a large number of devs/users the reality is we are in a beautiful spot compared to a lot of other devices right now.
It's also important to keep in mind our numbers can still grow big time. The more users we get, the more interested devs we get, the more we all benefit.
And being honest.. if you go play with the phone in store.. you probably will walk out with it... It's really, really, nice. I mean the other phones in store didn't hold a candle to it at bestbuy or at&t.

Snow_fox said:
Take this with a grain of salt: as in I hold no liability for this point of view.
The Captivate had identical hardware to the Nexus S and it *STILL* has a strong dev community. There is more that goes into that than just devs but, the similar hardware helps loads.
The phone despite have a very low number of devs still has an unlocked bootloader and I feel safe in saying the devs who are here are fairly high quality.
Even if we never attract a large number of devs/users the reality is we are in a beautiful spot compared to a lot of other devices right now.
It's also important to keep in mind our numbers can still grow big time. The more users we get, the more interested devs we get, the more we all benefit.
And being honest.. if you go play with the phone in store.. you probably will walk out with it... It's really, really, nice. I mean the other phones in store didn't hold a candle to it at bestbuy or at&t.
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I did want to NOT like this phone - mainly because it's an LG. But it's stupidly fast and smooth. If we see AOSP 4.2 or CM 10.1 on this beast it will be unstoppable! :cyclops:

I was hell bent on getting the Note 2 for weeks; the day I went to get one, I walked out with the OG and I have no regrets. LGs UI is a welcome change and will tide me over until the custom roms show up.

You totally should get the phone as is. Even with no further dev support. You have root, unlocked bootloader, and the stock rom debloated with tether functionality restored.
There is nothing you can't do with the stock rom. And when Jellybean comes out from LG, it will be debloated again. So even if you don't want the nexus rom or cyanogenmod (you'd be crazy not too), it's the best phone out right now. Even better than the Nexus 4.
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Infekxion said:
I was hell bent on getting the Note 2 for weeks; the day I went to get one, I walked out with the OG and I have no regrets. LGs UI is a welcome change and will tide me over until the custom roms show up.
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I was seriously wanting the Note II as well because the huge screen but this UI I feels MUCH better then TouchWiz and hardware wise it is an absolute beast. Not to say the Note II isn't fast but nothing is touching this device right now. This phone is screaming fast just imagine when it gets 4.1 or 4.2!
I just couldn't go for the Nexus 4 since it seriously lacks storage space. 8 or 16GB with no SD??? C'MON! Hell, I just installed The Bard's Tale and selected the HD pack and it took up 3.5GB on it's own. Missing LTE even further drives the nail down.
Unfortunately, most people outside of hardware geeks don't know how amazing this beast of a phone is. Then half the one who are hardware gurus are scared because its an LG. I convinced the guy next to me at work to pick up the Sprint version. He absolutely loves it too.

I would use the upgrade that I have on Att.. but the Dev community is very important to have... Only time will tell.. watching with great interest.
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I was microscopically close to pulling the trigger on the SG3 when I decided last minute to get the OG. Never regretted it for a second and I'm still bone stock.

Looking to get this as well It's down to the N4 or this. Really want LTE. Badly. But don't want to get screwed over for dev community, but I highly doubt that will happen. AOSP ROMs are on their way, undoubtedly.

from what i was told with small modifications n4 roms will run just fine on the lgog also. so that opens up way more possibilities if that is true

This is definitely one of the best devices currently since it runs buttery smooth even on ICS. 4.1/2 or CM will make this device unbelievable.

Talked my brother into getting one. He ordered his optimus g today and it was back ordered (The s3 disappeared from amazon for att days ago, probably why.) so im gonna go out on a limb and assume we will get some more people working in here in the near future.

avus_m3 said:
Honestly though, I feel LG really has a nice UI on top compared to Sense and TouchWiz.
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Agreed. It's almost like they just took AOSP & tweaked it juuuuuust a little bit. I actually like it.

Thanks for all of the great advice. I think you guys have me convinced. Friday is the day, if I can find it locally for $99.

argolfermd said:
Thanks for all of the great advice. I think you guys have me convinced. Friday is the day, if I can find it locally for $99.
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Bestbuy will price match Amazon. You should check them out. I got mine on Saturday at BB and they had plenty of stock.
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Information About The DNA

Hey everybody, I'm looking to upgrade to a new phone tomorrow and I've got my sights set on the DNA I just had some questions I'm hoping current owners could help me out with. I know most of these answers are spread out through multiple topics but most are polluted by trolls with other phones bashing HTC so I was hoping to get some consolidated answers from actual owners.
First of all for those that currently have this phone, what are the current drawbacks and issues you're dealing with (besides the storage issue and the battery there's been enough discussion about this already)? Are there any deal breaking issues? Are you gonna stick with it or are you looking to switch to another phone?
How is the overall performance of the phone in day to day use, like web browsing, texting, occasional gaming, video watching etc?
With the current S-On limitation how does that affect actual user operations? Can you still use root explorer to side load apps remove bloat etc? Can you use titanium backup to its full extent, freezing, removing, and converting system apps?
As for the development scene, I know there's been a lot of discussion about this and its hard to foresee future development but are there a lot of developers working on this phone? Is there a place we can actively follow development like Twitter or IRC?
I'm coming from a Droid X2 which has a very limited dev scene, basically we had one amazing dev that was able to make our phone even remotely useable, got cm9 and 10 running on a gingerbread kernel haha. Most devs and even Motorola itself abandoned this phone only a few months after it was released I hope to avoid a situation like this again so having an active dev scene is important to me.
Anything else I should know before jumping aboard?
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Battery life and performance have both been stellar. I use my phone heavily through the day for web browsing, texting, a few phone calls, streaming videos, and I can make it through a whole day without any issues. My phone has yet to lag or hiccup, and it's always running smoothly. The build quality is superb, and the edge-to-edge glass is extremely pleasant. I can't really comment on your questions about S-ON, as I have yet to root my phone. Even without root though, it's easily surpassing my expectations!

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nrfitchett4 said:
apparently you can't mess with system apps without having s-off, on reboot, everything comes back.
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First of all I have been loving my device so far. I am a pretty heavy user, but the battery gets me through the day no prob, and I currently have the clock set to 1.826GHz. S-off only matters while you are actually booted into android. You can't write to the system partition while booted into android, but you can write to it while in CWM or TWRP. This still allows you to debloat etc, it just isn't half as convenient with S-ON. Custom roms are slowly trickling out as well. They are still pretty similar to stock currently but I am sure more and more changes will come over time.
Performance on this phone is stellar. It never lags or slows whatsoever. There are some apps that haven't been updated to support 1080p (angry birds star wars for example crashes as soon as you open a level.) The only real drawback is that the radio interface layer has not been cracked yet, so we can't get AOSP style roms like Cyanogen. People are working on it, its only a matter of time. Also at least one person claims to have a viable method to get S-Off but it won't be released for a while still if it is true.

Kagedin said:
Hey everybody, I'm looking to upgrade to a new phone tomorrow and I've got my sights set on the DNA I just had some questions I'm hoping current owners could help me out with. I know most of these answers are spread out through multiple topics but most are polluted by trolls with other phones bashing HTC so I was hoping to get some consolidated answers from actual owners.
First of all for those that currently have this phone, what are the current drawbacks and issues you're dealing with (besides the storage issue and the battery there's been enough discussion about this already)? Are there any deal breaking issues? Are you gonna stick with it or are you looking to switch to another phone?
How is the overall performance of the phone in day to day use, like web browsing, texting, occasional gaming, video watching etc?
With the current S-On limitation how does that affect actual user operations? Can you still use root explorer to side load apps remove bloat etc? Can you use titanium backup to its full extent, freezing, removing, and converting system apps?
As for the development scene, I know there's been a lot of discussion about this and its hard to foresee future development but are there a lot of developers working on this phone? Is there a place we can actively follow development like Twitter or IRC?
I'm coming from a Droid X2 which has a very limited dev scene, basically we had one amazing dev that was able to make our phone even remotely useable, got cm9 and 10 running on a gingerbread kernel haha. Most devs and even Motorola itself abandoned this phone only a few months after it was released I hope to avoid a situation like this again so having an active dev scene is important to me.
Anything else I should know before jumping aboard?
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If you do not root and install a custom Rom there will be drawbacks. Htc pour many annoying persistent notifications throughout the phone. Most notably Wi-Fi. It is always in the notification drawer with Wi-Fi on or off. This is the same with GPS although that is only a small symbol. Also you lose much screen real estate with a three dot menu button that loves to appear. Both these issues are fixed in the custom Roms. These are the only drawbacks.
Battery is great. I make it through the day and I am always using my phone. Performance is better. I have not used any other device this smooth and fast even with the most intense games and apps. And the benchmarks are fun to brag about.
S-on is a problem. You can't use most of the titanium features besides backup and restore. Doing anything besides freezing system apps causes the apps to return after a reboot. Many people use the twrp recovery as it allows you to delle system apps with its built in file manager.
Developers are getting better. The ukb room to me is the best in terms of features and things that will be added. I would follow that thread and in general just check the development section every other day
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I am assuming your on verizon. If you don't mind the sizing get the note 2 over the dna. It maybe 100 dollars more but since you seem to be a long term phone guy I would go with the note 2 instead. I do own both btw. Couple reasons:
#1 Battery performance will degrade in the next 2 yrs, that's an easy solution with the note 2.
#2 You might be able to live with the 14 or 13gb of free storage there is, I can kind do it with compromises. Right now I have one rom, one back up, 351mb of music, 154mb in pictures and I am down to 3.28gb available with 2 big sized games I guess. Seeing that you like to flash roms, mods so forth 16gb might not be enough.
#3 Battery life in my experience is decent, not stellar but decent. On par with my S3 but not as good but close.
It's a good phone, feels good, screen looks great but once the initial drool of the display goes away you start considering what you compromised to get this phone. I like this phone a lot and I will be replacing it with a HTC butterfly (due to the sd slot) but my note 2 will still be my favorite. Oh in terms of S3 vs DNA, I would take the DNA lol. S3 display is great but the pentile bothers me and since my s3 was a us version it was gimped.

Thanks for all the information about the performance, drawbacks, and development info of this phone. Nycdarkness thanks for those points about the Note II I'll be keeping that in my mind. I'll be heading down to the Verizon store to check them out it'll be nice to be able to make an informed decision my last phone I didn't do much research and ended up regretting my decision for the last year haha
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It's an excellent excellent smartphone, a million times better than my galaxy nexus. I don't store 100 hours of music on my phone, only ten or so albums and rotate them periodically between cloud and on device. I guess I'm not a huge music head but I don't have any concern about the storage.
Comparisons between the DNA and Note 2 are silly since they're so different by nature. One is a stylish satchel, the other is a duffel bag. If you need the storage, get the Note 2.

Well just wanted to say I went ahead abs and pulled the trigger on the DNA. So far I'm loving it very fast and responsive I played with the Note II but the size turned out to be more of an issue than I thought just wanna thank everyone for the info and I look forward to being a part of this community
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Kagedin said:
Well just wanted to say I went ahead abs and pulled the trigger on the DNA. So far I'm loving it very fast and responsive I played with the Note II but the size turned out to be more of an issue than I thought just wanna thank everyone for the info and I look forward to being a part of this community
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Enjoy it cause it is one hell of a phone. What i like most is that it doesn't feel phablety at all compared to the note II I just love how it feels like a phone I've always loves HTC devices and I love sense always have always will. In a way sense has kinda spoiled the android experience for me because when i try out other OEM software i just can't get myself to like it the closes I've come was pure Google. I do enjoy it just not as much as sense
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I love everything about the phone especially the look of the thing.
Basically I'm superficial when it comes to tech stuff.
My 27" iMac with MM-1 Bowers & Wilkins speakers are as much, and more, about looks as they are about function and performance.
I own the DNA because it is simply the best looking (and feeling) smartphone currently on the market.
And since I exchanged my original (defective call quality) DNA set I am now happy.

It's a solid phone, you can't go wrong with it.
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Hello all.

Hi guys. I just picked up a Rezound under 2 year contract (last contract, hopefully) with Verizon, so I thought I should introduce myself. I'm a college student in the Pacific Northwest, studying for a BS in Network Administration. I game competitively and mess with things like programming and Android stuff in my free time. I go by Purple or Purp, because they're easier than my full username.
When looking at upgrading my phone, I had been planning on going with a GNex, but VZW no longer supports or carries them, which made me sad. I ended up getting my Rezound for free though, because the independent vendor I went through is one I've been going through since 2004 and they're awesome. I don't need the fastest, biggest, bestest device, so this suits my productivity needs nicely, and I'm not in the position to switch to GSM or to another carrier right now.
I will undoubtedly be modifying the phone, but as I'm new to the community I'm going to sit tight and read lots for the next while (Already rooted though :silly:. I'll wait until I become familiar with this XDA neighborhood and the ROMs/kernels that have been developed for the device before I start getting my hands dirty, so to speak.
Any suggestions from you all on what to lean towards or lean away from would be appreciated.
Cheers, and happy President's Day. Hope you're all enjoying your day off, if you have one.

There are lots of good ICS ROMs which you could use as "daily drivers". If ur feeling more adventurous there are some very slick JB ROMs as well. I mostly use ROMs created by IamTheOneTheyCallNeo.
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Welcome aboard. Sometimes our group can be a little rough around the edges, but I think we've all gotten quite a bit better at being tolerant. We've got some really awesome devs around here, most of them double up on rom development and kernel development just to keep it interesting.
We all tend to be fairly helpful too, so feel free to ask any questions that may come up. We've got a dedicated help thread in general maintained by neo, although there many other people jump in and answer when neo gets bogged down with real life. Also, most devs troubleshoot bugs in their own threads, and most (if not all) are incredibly active.
Enjoy, hope to see you around in some of these threads.
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My initial reaction to seeing anyone with this phone on a new contract is to tell you to take it back and get something with better battery life. The phone is really nice and performs great in all aspects except battery life. The are too many other options now with better battery life to be stuck with this phone for 2 more years. I understand that "free" is hard to beat though. If you don't mind the battery, then you will enjoy the Rezound. Welcome to the group.

snyderbrad01 said:
There are lots of good ICS ROMs which you could use as "daily drivers". If ur feeling more adventurous there are some very slick JB ROMs as well. I mostly use ROMs created by IamTheOneTheyCallNeo.
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Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
DontPushButtons said:
Welcome aboard. Sometimes our group can be a little rough around the edges, but I think we've all gotten quite a bit better at being tolerant. We've got some really awesome devs around here, most of them double up on rom development and kernel development just to keep it interesting.
We all tend to be fairly helpful too, so feel free to ask any questions that may come up. We've got a dedicated help thread in general maintained by neo, although there many other people jump in and answer when neo gets bogged down with real life. Also, most devs troubleshoot bugs in their own threads, and most (if not all) are incredibly active.
Enjoy, hope to see you around in some of these threads.
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Thanks. It's definitely a change of pace from the Nexus group, I think I like it. Much less clutter, and slow-paced enough that issues that are brought up are resolved, rather than buried under post volume.
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My initial reaction to seeing anyone with this phone on a new contract is to tell you to take it back and get something with better battery life. The phone is really nice and performs great in all aspects except battery life. The are too many other options now with better battery life to be stuck with this phone for 2 more years. I understand that "free" is hard to beat though. If you don't mind the battery, then you will enjoy the Rezound. Welcome to the group.
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Admittedly, that's the biggest thing I've noticed since getting this phone Friday evening. But it doesn't bother me too much. As long as I can make it through the day (and I'm not a heavy user) I usually plug the phone into my computer when I get home and let it charge via USB, and use AirDroid for text messaging and such. I also have a car charger from a family member's previous HTC device, so travel is covered.

Recall with a double ext battery it only last 20 hours it sucks
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Get the DNA it gets 20 hours and its must slimer
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don728871 said:
Recall with a double ext battery it only last 20 hours it sucks
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Get the DNA it gets 20 hours and its must slimer
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Thanks for your input. I think I mentioned this in my original post, but price was a HUGE factor in me getting this phone. If my vendor hadn't given me the large discount plus mail-in-rebate that he did, I wouldn't have gotten the Rezound. Actually, I probably wouldn't have upgraded. It was either the Rezound or the LG Spectrum 2 that interested me, as I felt that other phones didn't have the balance of specifications I wanted. The DNA would be nice, certainly, but there's still very little in the way of development compared to other devices, it is considerably more expensive, and I don't think I could use 4 cores if I tried, as I'm not a heavy user. The battery life would be a nice addition, sure, but as I said above the lack of it doesn't really bother me, and size is not an issue.

Hi Purp!
I don't know what you are coming from, but I love this phone but then it's my first smartphone. I looked for over a year before I took the plunge on this one and I think it's great. Like you, I don't need the latest and greatest, though when I bought this it pretty much was just that.
As to battery life, it doesn't bother me but I'm pretty much always in a position to be able to charge it. I have a spare battery now so if I go for a day hike I can take that with me, although if I go for that type of hike I'm usually out of service area since I'm in the mountains.
As to ROMs, I've stuck with sense ROMs and I was going to try an aosp ROM but I've heard the camera and video playback doesn't work properly so I changed my mind. aosp and jb ROMs are still works in progress. You can find several sense ROMs that are in good working order though.
Also, you say you're rooted, don't know if you are s-off or not. It involves shorting out something on the phone using a wire. Some people have lost usb function doing it. It makes it easier to flash ROMs - although now the devs are making it just as easy to flash when you're s-on so I'm not sure that's even a factor any more - and it makes it easier to brick your phone too. Used to be that if you were still s-on you had to pull the kernel from the ROM you were flashing and flash it in fastboot after flashing the ROM, but if you were s-off it was all automated. Well now devs are making it so you can select s-off or s-on when you're flashing so you don't have to pull the kernel and flash it separately any more. I don't flash much so I'm going to stay s-on. And since I'm not constantly tinkering with that type of thing I don't want to forget and do something that bricks the phone without thinking. So, something to think about. Maybe you already knew all that, if so forgive me for babbling on. Forgive the babbling even if you didn't know it, seems like I went on for a while on that!
Anyway, hope you like the phone as much as I do!

Could u buy it online for like 100 with a new contract
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feralicious said:
Hi Purp!
I don't know what you are coming from, but I love this phone but then it's my first smartphone. I looked for over a year before I took the plunge on this one and I think it's great. Like you, I don't need the latest and greatest, though when I bought this it pretty much was just that.
As to battery life, it doesn't bother me but I'm pretty much always in a position to be able to charge it. I have a spare battery now so if I go for a day hike I can take that with me, although if I go for that type of hike I'm usually out of service area since I'm in the mountains.
As to ROMs, I've stuck with sense ROMs and I was going to try an aosp ROM but I've heard the camera and video playback doesn't work properly so I changed my mind. aosp and jb ROMs are still works in progress. You can find several sense ROMs that are in good working order though.
Also, you say you're rooted, don't know if you are s-off or not. It involves shorting out something on the phone using a wire. Some people have lost usb function doing it. It makes it easier to flash ROMs - although now the devs are making it just as easy to flash when you're s-on so I'm not sure that's even a factor any more - and it makes it easier to brick your phone too. Used to be that if you were still s-on you had to pull the kernel from the ROM you were flashing and flash it in fastboot after flashing the ROM, but if you were s-off it was all automated. Well now devs are making it so you can select s-off or s-on when you're flashing so you don't have to pull the kernel and flash it separately any more. I don't flash much so I'm going to stay s-on. And since I'm not constantly tinkering with that type of thing I don't want to forget and do something that bricks the phone without thinking. So, something to think about. Maybe you already knew all that, if so forgive me for babbling on. Forgive the babbling even if you didn't know it, seems like I went on for a while on that!
Anyway, hope you like the phone as much as I do!
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Thanks for the warm welcome. Up until now I had a basic phone; a combination of not liking a device and finances kept me from upgrading. That being said, I've had a bit of experience before this from helping a friend who had a Galaxy Nexus, and I learn fast.
I don't have a spare battery, but I do have a car charger and a spare wall charger. So for the most part I'm also covered.
I barely use my camera, so the JB roms might be less of an issue for me. But stability is a big plus so for now I'll probably stick with ICS. Sensed vs Desensed is a whole different story.
Yeah, at first I had just rooted. Last night I took a stab at the wire trick and got it after my third try. Was a bit worried at first but it went smoothly. I can already tell I'll be a flashoholic, so S-Off is probably the way to stay for me. And no problem with the babbling, I'd much rather take the time to respond to a long-winded response like this than a bunch of short ones.
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Purpeltendire said:
Thanks for the warm welcome. Up until now I had a basic phone; a combination of not liking a device and finances kept me from upgrading. That being said, I've had a bit of experience before this from helping a friend who had a Galaxy Nexus, and I learn fast.
I don't have a spare battery, but I do have a car charger and a spare wall charger. So for the most part I'm also covered.
I barely use my camera, so the JB roms might be less of an issue for me. But stability is a big plus so for now I'll probably stick with ICS. Sensed vs Desensed is a whole different story.
Yeah, at first I had just rooted. Last night I took a stab at the wire trick and got it after my third try. Was a bit worried at first but it went smoothly. I can already tell I'll be a flashoholic, so S-Off is probably the way to stay for me. And no problem with the babbling, I'd much rather take the time to respond to a long-winded response like this than a bunch of short ones.
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If I may give you a suggestion for a good rom. Try EclipticRez by Hawknest. Its a sense 4.0 rom and man is it really smooth. Im pretty sure everything works too. :good:

Purpeltendire said:
Thanks for the warm welcome. Up until now I had a basic phone; a combination of not liking a device and finances kept me from upgrading. That being said, I've had a bit of experience before this from helping a friend who had a Galaxy Nexus, and I learn fast.
I don't have a spare battery, but I do have a car charger and a spare wall charger. So for the most part I'm also covered.
I barely use my camera, so the JB roms might be less of an issue for me. But stability is a big plus so for now I'll probably stick with ICS. Sensed vs Desensed is a whole different story.
Yeah, at first I had just rooted. Last night I took a stab at the wire trick and got it after my third try. Was a bit worried at first but it went smoothly. I can already tell I'll be a flashoholic, so S-Off is probably the way to stay for me. And no problem with the babbling, I'd much rather take the time to respond to a long-winded response like this than a bunch of short ones.
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If you want a stock ICS Rom I am on NeoMax 2.0. It's desensed and smooooooth like butter. Any Rom made by iamtheonetheycallneo is a safe bet. He makes roms to fit any taste and they are of great quality.
Also, welcome. This community is a smaller one, but I think it makes it excellent. I recognize the same names in most of the posts and it makes it far more personal experience.
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What are you waiting for, get yourself onto CM10.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2113140
Also since you seem to be somewhat new to Android, you should get Terminal Emulator and DriveDroid. Being in NA you should appreciate them.

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone.
evilstewie23 said:
If I may give you a suggestion for a good rom. Try EclipticRez by Hawknest. Its a sense 4.0 rom and man is it really smooth. Im pretty sure everything works too. :good:
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I was looking at that one in some detail; I liked what I saw except for the fact that the bloatware such as NFL Mobile was not taken out, but as I've already taken the liberty of removing my bloatware with ROM Toolbox Lite, it's not really a big issue. That may be my first or among my first ROM tries, as for now I think I'll stick with Sense. Compared to Motoblur and TouchWiz, Sense is far less intrusive and overall quite likable.
zekemo said:
If you want a stock ICS Rom I am on NeoMax 2.0. It's desensed and smooooooth like butter. Any Rom made by iamtheonetheycallneo is a safe bet. He makes roms to fit any taste and they are of great quality.
Also, welcome. This community is a smaller one, but I think it makes it excellent. I recognize the same names in most of the posts and it makes it far more personal experience.
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Awesome, I'll take a look. Stock ICS is what truly drew me into the Android OS in the first place, I really liked the look of it on the Nexus devices. Seems like a lot of people like Neo around here, and that kind of loyalty and popularity can't be earned easily. So I'll definitely be taking a look at his releases.
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What are you waiting for, get yourself onto CM10.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2113140
Also since you seem to be somewhat new to Android, you should get Terminal Emulator and DriveDroid. Being in NA you should appreciate them.
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I've definitely found that the popularity of CyanogenMods is well-deserved. But I think I'll wait for a while before I try this one, given that I haven't really looked into all the bugs people are having with JB builds.
Terminal Emulator I got immediately after reading this post, thanks for the tip. DriveDroid looks interesting. I'm not sure if I'd have a use for it, as I have a Linux USB boot 'disk' and a HDD with a couple partitions for non-primary operating systems in my computer. But I'd like to try it out at the very least. Thanks for the suggestions.

Purpeltendire said:
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone.
I was looking at that one in some detail; I liked what I saw except for the fact that the bloatware such as NFL Mobile was not taken out, but as I've already taken the liberty of removing my bloatware with ROM Toolbox Lite, it's not really a big issue. That may be my first or among my first ROM tries, as for now I think I'll stick with Sense. Compared to Motoblur and TouchWiz, Sense is far less intrusive and overall quite likable.
Awesome, I'll take a look. Stock ICS is what truly drew me into the Android OS in the first place, I really liked the look of it on the Nexus devices. Seems like a lot of people like Neo around here, and that kind of loyalty and popularity can't be earned easily. So I'll definitely be taking a look at his releases.
I've definitely found that the popularity of CyanogenMods is well-deserved. But I think I'll wait for a while before I try this one, given that I haven't really looked into all the bugs people are having with JB builds.
Terminal Emulator I got immediately after reading this post, thanks for the tip. DriveDroid looks interesting. I'm not sure if I'd have a use for it, as I have a Linux USB boot 'disk' and a HDD with a couple partitions for non-primary operating systems in my computer. But I'd like to try it out at the very least. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Just remember that desensed roms still smell of HTC and aren't a true ICS experience. If you want a full ICS you will need to check out the AOSP builds, which have some basic features missing; like Bluetooth calling and wifi tether encryption.
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Do t know where your store said the gnex wasn't offered no more. I was at a Verizon store last week and they still had gnex out on the floor. As far as battery life on this phone I can get easily 18 to 20 hrs on the stock battery. Maybe its because I came from the thunderbolt and that phone is known for some of the worst battery life besides the gnex. I have had the rezound for only a few weeks and just love it. This phone has more solid ROMs for it than the bolt could even wish for.
So enjoy the phone as it will serve you well. Also the guys in here are more forgiving than the thunderbolt section lol.
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Just remember that desensed roms still smell of HTC and aren't a true ICS experience. If you want a full ICS you will need to check out the AOSP builds, which have some basic features missing; like Bluetooth calling and wifi tether encryption.
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Alright, thanks for the heads up. Bluetooth isn't an issue for me, as I don't use calling very much. And same with tethering, because I'm a stingy data user.
Dark Jedi said:
Do t know where your store said the gnex wasn't offered no more. I was at a Verizon store last week and they still had gnex out on the floor. As far as battery life on this phone I can get easily 18 to 20 hrs on the stock battery. Maybe its because I came from the thunderbolt and that phone is known for some of the worst battery life besides the gnex. I have had the rezound for only a few weeks and just love it. This phone has more solid ROMs for it than the bolt could even wish for.
So enjoy the phone as it will serve you well. Also the guys in here are more forgiving than the thunderbolt section lol.
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Well that's depressing. It's gone from their website, and all stores in Washington and Oregon that I've checked at or called. Ah well; I'll live. Plus this was free while the GNex wouldn't have been. :laugh:
Once I settle into a regular usage pattern (Which might take a while, seeing as I know I'll be flashing lots once I start) I'll probably get around the same. I need to do my homework on the different governors though, there's a few that I'm unfamiliar with.
Yeah, it seems like a great group of people around here. I'm looking forward to getting more involved.

Now that I've familiarized myself with much of the Rezound forum, I was wondering how I could begin contributing in my own way. I don't have much skill in the way of development, and with school I doubt I'd have the time. But then another thought came to mind... guinea pig!
A Governor a Day
So basically what I'm planning on doing is testing the effects of the various CPU governors. I was planning on doing this for myself anyways, as I'm very curious what the practical differences are between governors.
I'll be setting several constants (Min/Max frequencies, voltages, ROM/Kernel, etc) and the only variable (at first) will be the governor. I'll probably start off with a one day time period, just because of the simplicity. Overall routine will be to set the governor when I plug my phone in, either at night before I go to bed or just before I run out of juice -- say 10% mark. And then just use it as I always do, because I have the benefit of a fairly regular class schedule there shouldn't be any significant changes to my usage pattern.
I'll be using several apps to help document all this data; if you want to suggest another to add to the accuracy and range of the stats, feel free. So far the list is:
Statistics
GSam Battery Monitor.
SystemPanel [Paid].
CPU Spy.
Settings
Kernel Tuner
I'm guessing that for the first week or so I'll be taking community feedback from you all and incorporating it into the OP as constants and such, so the final experiment probably won't start for another few days and I'll have to redo my DanceDance statistics, as well as whatever I use tomorrow. But that really doesn't bother me.
This is sort of my introductory post, I'm almost done with my day on DanceDance. As I told some people in the Infection2.1 thread I'd be making a very detailed post of my battery life and settings, I'll also be copying that post into a new thread and reserving the first few posts for myself. You're all welcome to make suggestions in both this thread and the dedicated thread, but let's try to keep Neo's ROM thread clean for him.

Switching to Lumia 822. Want my experiences?

Finally got fed up with this dog-turd of a phone, and ordered a Nokia Lumia 822 as a replacement.
I have been with Android since flashing Donut onto my HTC Vogue, and while it was fun at first, I'm at a point now I just want my phone to work, with no need to constantly flash ROMs to get things to work well. I'm also tired of the constant lags/freezes that seem to still plague Android phones, so I've decided to take the plunge and move to a WP8 phone.
Anyway, the reason I'm writing this post is to see if anyone here has any interest in my documenting my experiences making the switch. If you want me to post here, let me know. If not, well, let me know that too. :silly:
Mike

Yes. I jumped to an iphone 4s after the dx2. Yes.

aviwdoowks said:
Yes. I jumped to an iphone 4s after the dx2. Yes.
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?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Juice... I responded to the op. Why don't you do the same?

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Juice... I responded to the op. Why don't you do the same?
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You know people are allowed to discuss things in threads, and not ONLY reply to the OP, right?
@OP: I don't think I could ever go from an Android phone to a Win8 phone. It's just not the same. Plus, I'm pretty sure I'd lose a lot of apps... Though, I am looking for a cheap ICS/JB replacement for my X2, anyone have a suggestion there? Looking at the Droid Bionic, but even that is fairly expensive...

You picked a bad time to switch. Android up until ICS has been pretty crappy. I came from webOS and when I was using that, I thought Android was clunky and a little ugly. This is when Gingerbread was the newest version. I made the switch because webOS was going nowhere and there was no way in hell I was switching to an iPhone. Since the Droid X2 was my first Android phone, I came into android with a not so perfect experience thanks to Motorola and their locked down ways. I used ICS and JB when they were released on the DX2 but we all know they werent perfect. I was lucky enough to be given a Galaxy Nexus and since then, my thoughts on Android have gotten a lot better. You dont know what you are missing until you use a phone thats able to fully run the latest version of Android. Lag is pretty much gone. Everything works as it should. And Android is just getting better with every update. You say you have been using Android since the old Android days. Thats why I say you picked a bad time to switch because those were the crappy android days.
As far as Windows Phone, I have nothing against it. It looks great. My girlfriend is actually making the switch from Android to WP8 this month too. Shes not as much of a customizer as I am when it comes to phones so I think she will be happy with it. Also, it will give me a chance to check it out for myself. Not that I will ever switch. I'm sticking with Android and looking forward to their next unveiling in the next couple months.

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You picked a bad time to switch. Android up until ICS has been pretty crappy. I came from webOS and when I was using that, I thought Android was clunky and a little ugly. This is when Gingerbread was the newest version. I made the switch because webOS was going nowhere and there was no way in hell I was switching to an iPhone. Since the Droid X2 was my first Android phone, I came into android with a not so perfect experience thanks to Motorola and their locked down ways. I used ICS and JB when they were released on the DX2 but we all know they werent perfect. I was lucky enough to be given a Galaxy Nexus and since then, my thoughts on Android have gotten a lot better. You dont know what you are missing until you use a phone thats able to fully run the latest version of Android. Lag is pretty much gone. Everything works as it should. And Android is just getting better with every update. You say you have been using Android since the old Android days. Thats why I say you picked a bad time to switch because those were the crappy android days.
As far as Windows Phone, I have nothing against it. It looks great. My girlfriend is actually making the switch from Android to WP8 this month too. Shes not as much of a customizer as I am when it comes to phones so I think she will be happy with it. Also, it will give me a chance to check it out for myself. Not that I will ever switch. I'm sticking with Android and looking forward to their next unveiling in the next couple months.
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I appreciate what you are saying here, and I agree that then new phones are better in this regard than before. However the only phones that even remotely come close to the speed of the WP8 phones are the flagship phones, which are at least $200 on contract or $650 off. No thanks.
And hey, maybe I'll like the new phone, maybe not. The only way to know is to try, so I'm going to give it a try. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to switch, just thought my experience may provide value to others.

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I appreciate what you are saying here, and I agree that then new phones are better in this regard than before. However the only phones that even remotely come close to the speed of the WP8 phones are the flagship phones, which are at least $200 on contract or $650 off. No thanks.
And hey, maybe I'll like the new phone, maybe not. The only way to know is to try, so I'm going to give it a try. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to switch, just thought my experience may provide value to others.
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For sure. I'm sure everyone here appreciates you sharing your experience. I'll be curious to know what you think of WP8 when you finally get it.

OP, to be honest, i felt the same way after dealing with the x2. after all we had gone through, i was just fed up. i wanted a phone that would just... work. My opinion has changed completely since i switched. after the x2, i got a rezound. it too was plagued with similar issues, and dealing with the lack of support and bad battery i nearly bought an iphone.since i got a RAZR M, my opinion has nearly 180'd. with the snapdragon s4, all my issues with android had literally melted away. with jellybeans smooth butteryness, the improved battery life, and overall impressive features, i will never leave android. even on stock, i rarely ever have horrendous battery or any stuttering whatsoever. had i been in your shoes, i definately would have held out for the SGS4, with the snapdragon 600, battery and smoothness with only go up. now, everyone has their opinions, but it seems your opinion was a little to vague and blunt in judging android as a whole. <-- thats my opinion, if anyone is interested.

My 822 got here last night, I haven't had a chance to do too much to it yet, but I'll give you my first impressions:
1. Build - Polycarbonate body is fine except for the back cover, which feels like it is going to break when you pull it off. One thing you have to give Motorola is that their phones are built like tanks, with aluminum bodies.
2. Screen - Screen is an AMOLED screen. Decided I'm not a fan. Has very nice contrast, but the oranges/browns/red look butt-awful. The 840x480 screen is a actually a benefit for me, at least, because it causes the fonts to be rendered larger than they would be on the X2, and are easier on my eyes. Plus less pixels to push means better speed from the phone.
3. Speed - Whoo boy, does this thing FLY!
That's all I will report on for now, I need some time to customize/configure the device before I come to any conclusions regarding the usability of the OS and/or app issues.

For anyone interested in differences in a few apps comparing Android, iOS and WP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmERIowNKM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Ok, so Ive had the new phone for a little over a week now, which I beilieve takes me past the "honeymoon" period, and here are my thoughts:
The metro interface is really starting to grow on me. When I first saw the live tiles I thought "Uggh!! that's just nasty". But they look much nicer on the phone than they do on a picture on the internet. Probably due to the high contrast AMOLED display.
I still dislike the nasty oranges/browns on the device, but I've mostly stopped noticing it now.
The device feels smaller than the X2, even though it has ostensibly the same size screen as the X2. In fact, I would probably prefer a slightly larger size to get a larger screen area.
The device is slick, and has fallen out of my hand a couple of times. Almost fell into the crapper once! Definitely getting a case for this.
The screen resolution differences are a non-issue IMHO.
The camera quality is about the same as the X2, maybe a little better. MUCH faster to start, though, no longer missing the moment waiting for the camera to start.
Speaking of the camera, holy hell is Cinemagraph a cool feature. It takes a picture along with 5 seconds of video, allowing you to create a moving snapshot effect, similar to the NFL player intros on TV or the moving pictures from the Harry Potter movies.
There has been some extra work getting things setup, as I still want to retain my google accounts, but once done it is seemless enough.
In terms of speed and usability this phone blows away any Android device I've ever used, (including my Nexus 7). There is simply no comparison in this department.
Nokia Maps and Drive are not quite as nice as the Google maps and Navigator, but still very good. Not really missing anything here.
As far as apps that I miss, there really isn't much. iHeartradio is probably the big one, and they have a WP7 app so a WP8 on is expected to be coming shortly. Nokia Music fills in for iHeartRadio for now. There are a few other apps missing, but IE10 does such a nice job with mobile websites that it's just not a big deal.
I am fast becoming a fan of Nokia. Their custom apps are fantastic, and they have shown a real commitment to improving WP8 along. Whereas with Motorola phones you get an outdated, buggy OS, bloatware, and few updates, Nokia apps are superb and they are continually adding cool new features to their phones. Motorola still probably has the edge in build quality, especially with the aluminum bodies. I want my phones to last a few years, so build quality does matter to me.
There are a few things that I would like to see added, like separate volume controls, the ability to pin individual settings to the start menu, and a webkit browser, but these are relatively minor issues.
The apps are definitely fewer than what is available on Android. But the quality of the apps is significantly better as well. They are almost universally more polished and beautiful than their Android counterparts.
Overall I am loving this phone. Especially since I got it in new condition for under $200 bucks.
As I was reading Engadget yesterday I saw a couple of articles, one on the Broid Bionic finally getting upgraded to Jelly Bean, and the other one on how the HTC One bootloader is going to be locked for AT&T, I realized just how much crap one has to deal with on an Android phone. I will NOT miss any of this.
For those who contributed to the development on the X2, my sincerest thanks. You helped make a crap phone more bearable.
I may peruse the X2 forums from time to time for nostalgia's sake, but otherwise I think I won't be coming here much more. Best of luck to all of you, and hopefully DZK can get you a nice bug-free Jelly Bean build some day.
Mike

golfnz34me
Thank you for the review. I chose the dx2 for the lack of a call termination beep. As in other Moto's at the time. And these beeps are always passed to a Bluetooth headset. My iphone 4s does the same damn thing.
What about the Nokia?

I just tried this, when the caller hangs up you get a triple beep. I don't know about over bluetooth, though.
I actually like this feature.

I use the Plantronics Voyager Pro HD and it is very loud because the dynamic range not compressed and this tone is much louder than the voices.

I also notice that the tone is much louder ( iphone ) when it is a Vzw phone terminating on the other end- strange.

golfnz34me said:
I just tried this, when the caller hangs up you get a triple beep. I don't know about over bluetooth, though.
I actually like this feature.
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Are you still with this 822?
I tried it out. I really liked it at first but but WP8 is not ready for "prime time" Now this is truly "dog turd" OS . You cannot even cut & paste between apps!! Need I say more.

aviwdoowks said:
Are you still with this 822?
I tried it out. I really liked it at first but but WP8 is not ready for "prime time" Now this is truly "dog turd" OS . You cannot even cut & paste between apps!! Need I say more.
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-to/wp7/basics/copy-and-paste

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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-to/wp7/basics/copy-and-paste
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Are you saying that it has been fixed? What about pasting to the dialer?
No matter I went to the Razr m.
Do you have a wp8?

aviwdoowks said:
Are you saying that it has been fixed? What about pasting to the dialer?
No matter I went to the Razr m.
Do you have a wp8?
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Oh, I dont know. I just searched it. But apparently its there. I couldnt imagine a phone that cant do that these days. I dont have a WP8 phone but my girlfriend does.

Better Mobile App

welcome