Well I have calcualted that I have 32 GB of my 64GB used personally with music/pictures/videos. But i seem to have around 10GB of data unaccounted for, any ideas?
From root ( using folder size chart to get folder size's)
Folders by size ( not sure but 3 seem to be duplicates )
MNT: 31,905.4 MB
SDcard: 31,905.4 MB
Storage: 31,905.4 MB
System: 842.32 MB
ECT: 28.6MB
Vendor: 18.4MB
everything else blow that isnt worth listing ( in the low KB-MB range )
Total: ~ 32.02 GB ( assuming MNT/SDcard/Storage, are all pointing to the same data)
Phone default storage:
39.96GB of 64GB and its break down is:
apps 388MB
Music: 26.93GB
Pics/Videos: 1.15GB
Downloads: 1GB
Other: 10.52GB
Available: 24.04GB
Any ideas on what the mysterious 10GB of "BS" is? Considering I just rooted/formated/rom-ed my phone it should be at closer to 32GB not 39.96GB.
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nattan920 said:
Well I have calcualted that I have 32 GB of my 64GB used personally with music/pictures/videos. But i seem to have around 10GB of data unaccounted for, any ideas?
From root ( using folder size chart to get folder size's)
Folders by size ( not sure but 3 seem to be duplicates )
MNT: 31,905.4 MB
SDcard: 31,905.4 MB
Storage: 31,905.4 MB
System: 842.32 MB
ECT: 28.6MB
Vendor: 18.4MB
everything else blow that isnt worth listing ( in the low KB-MB range )
Total: ~ 32.02 GB ( assuming MNT/SDcard/Storage, are all pointing to the same data)
Phone default storage:
39.96GB of 64GB and its break down is:
apps 388MB
Music: 26.93GB
Pics/Videos: 1.15GB
Downloads: 1GB
Other: 10.52GB
Available: 24.04GB
Any ideas on what the mysterious 10GB of "BS" is? Considering I just rooted/formated/rom-ed my phone it should be at closer to 32GB not 39.96GB.
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The other might be sd data for apps/games. That's all I can think of.
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It has to be something to do with the phone software because I started with 55gb of storage after unlocking bootloader so I don't know what's taking up all that room bit I had the same thing. I'm not worried about it yet as I still have 30 gb left but when that runs out that extra 10 gb could cone in handy of I ever need it
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It could be music if you save your music to your phone using google play music. Sense doesn't see those songs as songs because they're encrypted and not a .mp3, so it counts it as other. I'm pretty sure aosp handles this correctly though.
If it's not music, I suggest using SD Maid to find out what it is.
XSafire said:
It could be music if you save your music to your phone using google play music. Sense doesn't see those songs as songs because they're encrypted and not a .mp3, so it counts it as other. I'm pretty sure aosp handles this correctly though.
If it's not music, I suggest using SD Maid to find out what it is.
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They aren't encrypted, although they are hidden but fairly easy to get to.
In a directory on your sdcard where its located there's a file called .nomedia that tells apps not to look there for media files.
You can still use a file explorer to pull the files out or delete the file
The songs aren't named but just download an app to auto name them and your golden
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Maybe Nandroid backups? I have 5 of them and it takes up 9.27gb. Check your TWRP folder properties.
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Maybe Nandroid backups? I have 5 of them and it takes up 9.27gb. Check your TWRP folder properties.
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well i have my android back ups calculated in the "personal" data section since they were in my clocworkmod>backup folder. which were 2Gb
I am starting to think that the issue lies with the phone showing up as 55GB when connected to pc and 64 GB when looking at the phones internal settings
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Did you check Android/ data it can get pretty large, and although it will slightly slow down things such as the amount of time it takes to load album art and map caches, you can safely delete it on occasion to see of that helps.
When I first got my HTC One X+, I immediately checked the storage and found that 9.xx GB was taken up completely. This is pretty fair to me because, other 64GB devices I have owned in the past have said that I've only had, say, 52GB available, so at least the phone takes into account actual capacity. But yeah, 10GB wasted. I mean, I can't really argue, 64GB is a LOT of space, but I really doubt Android and HTC Sense take up more than 3 gigs.
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When I first got my HTC One X+, I immediately checked the storage and found that 9.xx GB was taken up completely. This is pretty fair to me because, other 64GB devices I have owned in the past have said that I've only had, say, 52GB available, so at least the phone takes into account actual capacity. But yeah, 10GB wasted. I mean, I can't really argue, 64GB is a LOT of space, but I really doubt Android and HTC Sense take up more than 3 gigs.
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new HOX+ today, same thing. i cant complain, since i came from the 16gb One X xD
The 9/10GB in question, are the other partitions on the nand. It does not matter how much space Android & Sense take up, as the partitions are set sizes.
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I was poking around the app SystemPanel (available on the market) and I noticed that the internal storage only adds up to 4gb. This is including the System Storage(849.5MB), Application Storage(2670.8MB), and The cache(424.7MB). Now I don't know much about the file structure, and I am probably missing something, but I thought that the internal storage was 8GB?
Anybody else run into this discovery?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003232
I'm guessing what Brad is trying to point out without actually putting any effort into answering your question, is according to the linked thread, eMMC is only 4GB
Some unsourced claim said:
Memory (emmc/RAM): 4GB / 768 MB ]
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However the Thunderbolt page on Verizon's own website still claims 8GB
Verizon said:
Memory / Processor
8GB eMMC
768 MB RAM
Actual formatted capacity will be less
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As does Amazon.com here
Amazon said:
Memory
32 GB pre-loaded microSD memory card with support for other optional cards up to 32 GB.
8 GB internal memory
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Oh yeah, even HTChttp://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon#tech-specs says 8:
HTC said:
8GB emmc + 768 RAM Memory card, preinstalled 32 GB microSD™
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I'm going to venture to guess one of two things is going on:
HTC fat fingered the spec-sheet and everybody else copied it without doing any research (Alternate: Last minute change and their tech sheet was never updated)
There really is 8GB of eMMC, but the "missing" 4GB is hidden, disabled, or otherwise unaccounted for at the moment.
In any event, until someone does a tear down we probably wont know for absolute certainty.
It's not "missing." Pulled from the other thread.
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There is 5.00168gbs(or 5121.72mb) on the system partition according to Root Explorer and a calculator. Most of it is free (empty) space, though.
5.00168 + the ~2.5gb user storage partition = ~7.5gb.
This is the same as the MT4G and G2, both of which had the same advertised 8gb internal storage I believe.
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madfatter said:
how do we get at this space? it seems strange to have it just sitting around there, not being able to be used. perhaps it is possible to rewrite emmc partions to give this an "internal" storage, much like the Dinc had?
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Most likely this will be impossible.
The eMMC's generally used by HTC can only be partitioned once, period. At least, this was the case with the G2 and the MT4G which had the same "missing" storage space.
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EDIT: Pulled the more technical explanation from the G2's Wiki: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
Yes, I realize that G2 =/= Thunderbolt. However, it's very likely that HTC uses similiar processes for all of it's phones.
O, ok. I searched xda and it didn't turn up any discussions like this.
O and yippee for companies essentially screwing us out of half of the internal memory we paid for...
Thanks for all of the information guys...
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It's not "missing." Pulled from the other thread.
And since I know this question will be next...
EDIT: Pulled the more technical explanation from the G2's Wiki: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
Yes, I realize that G2 =/= Thunderbolt. However, it's very likely that HTC uses similiar processes for all of it's phones.
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Yeah I hasn't finished reading that thread when I replied in here, so I didn't realize the space had been located.
I know the way HTC does eMMC makes it a one time partition, but since its there as "system" according to that post, shouldn't that mean it could be utilized by us somehow? I don't entirely understand all of the nuance to androids partition madness, but I'm an old hand with linux. My first thought runs to making a loopback in some of the free space and mounting it in a user assessable area a la how you can mount iso's and swap files. Might not be the fastest but for data that doesn't change often it could work. Hell I'm pretty sure thats all the ext2/4 hacks on the sgs phones are doing to avoid rfs.
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I wish I knew linux well enough to understand that...
I'm trying to make sense of the real difference between the EVO3D's 4GB of internal memory and the Photon/Within's supposed 16+ GB of internal memory.
Is this difference really something to be concerned/though about?
The way I see it, we have been running with 1 GB in most phones in recent history, and most of us just touch the limits of the memory with apps, etc. With the extra headroom of 4GB, I'm not sure there is too much concern for running out of app space (crosses fingers).
So, what is the rest of the memory for? Media? I understand that the internal memory might be faster, but SD cards have already been shown to be fast enough for most purposes (and I believe the Green Hornet comes on the SD card). IIRC, it was quite an anomaly to have the Nexus S store media and other files on the internal memory when it came out.
So, does the 4 GB concern, given the ability to get 32 GB on SD? Or is it a real advantage for the competitors?
It might have something to do with recording in 1080p or 3d . The internal would be faster to record to . Just my thought
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Anytime you write/read to internal its always going to be faster than reading from a SD card. This also holds true with your desktop. Reading from your DDR2/3 Memory will always be faster than reading from your SSD/HDD. I think this is where the above poster actually gives some credibility about his claims.
I don't see the big deal. 4Gb is a decent amount of internal. How many people are going to actually need 16gb of internal space? I'm sure someone will reply and tell me they need it for this and this but I'm sure a large percent will do just fine with 4gb. People do just fine with 1gb.
If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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My thoughts as well. Funny though, isn't Qualcomm (HTC's chip provider) the one thats going to do a gaming pack?
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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even with 4-8 times the storage on those phones, they are only using 2x as much for app installation, correct? 1GB v 2GB?
I would rather have a 4gb internal and my 16gb class10 sd card then to have 10gn internal w/ no way to use a sd card with it, but then again I keep my 8gb card that came with the evo set up fully as a back-up card, i have a nandroid back-up and main files i use on my sd card set up on my 8gb cardd so all i have to do it restore and go if anything happens and I have to get a new phone.
novanosis85 said:
If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
jessejames111981 said:
If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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It is not confirmed that the Within will have Tegra2, actually, it is highly likely it will have Exynos. The Photon is confirmed to have Tegra2. Also, the SGS2 is likely to have the highest amount of internal storage, with the Photon having the second largest.
I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I agree we are getting a lot of phone for the money..I thought the same thing with the 4g..now we get a processor that more than twice as fast and four times the internal memory..I don't use a lot of games but my SD card has atleast 10 Roms and 4 full nandroid backups andive never run out of memory..mof I have at least 2 gb left..and that's with stock sd
I suspect there will be far less than 4g actually usable..
I got a low memory error one time so I went thru and unistalled a bunch of stuff I never used. No problem since. And I could probably delete even more stuff.
even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
4GB's of internal on the 3D will be plenty for me. Only recently have I started to have issues with running out of space on the EVO. Ended up just moving a bunch of apps to SD card and all is fine again.
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even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
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the built in a2sd sucks for this, but the a2sd (like DarkTremmors) that allot of the guys put into their roms works very well with this. I got a 4gd ext3 partition on my sd for this and i NEVER run out of space to install apps (in fact i dont even use 1gb up w/ close to 200 apps)
I'm not going to complain as it is a 16-fold increase of storage for me. Mmm... increased internal storage...
Add my 16 gig sd card and I think I'm golden.
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more then enough. This is set aside for apps and OS I believe, and the photon will be the same. The internal space will be partitioned probably for apps and then most of it for storage.
4gb internal is more then enough.
I can see large storage making sense on devices like the nexus s 4g and iPhone because you have no option for an external form of storage but 16/32gb of storage on a device with a micro sd slot is a bit much. I'm not saying they shouldn't make phones with that much, the more the better but I just don't think you need that much. I think 4gb is enough to last us until we upgrade next year.
For the people who plan on having this phone for a second year the internal storage may become an issue in 12-18 months. Next years gen of phones will bring bigger apps, bigger files.
How come the EVO 3D only has 1 gig of internal storage? I'm really wanting this phone this worries me. My Asus Transformer has 32 gigs of internal storage and with all the apps and everything I have on it, I'm well above 18 gigs used. And that's not including movies (stored on MicroSD).
So with that said, with 1 gig of internal storage, this device is VERY limited to how many programs you can load onto it right?
And I know there is App2SD but not all apps are compatible doing that. How do you guys fare with such limited internal storage?
Even on the OGVO I never had issues, but then again, I don't download the entire market.
When they start releasing roms I'm sure it will free up a couple more gb of internal storage BC were suppose to have 4. I think but I'm not sure a lot of rom was used for sense and the security they used to lock the phone.
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No problems here. I haunt even used a third.. there is no need to have hundreds of apps..
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* Pre-Honeycomb Android versions have a space limitation on installed apps.
* Froyo and Gingerbread grants the ability to move applicable apps to external media (microSD).
* Honeycomb takes advantage of all available space for application installation while removing the ability to move apps to external media.
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How come the EVO 3D only has 1 gig of internal storage? I'm really wanting this phone this worries me. My Asus Transformer has 32 gigs of internal storage and with all the apps and everything I have on it, I'm well above 18 gigs used. And that's not including movies (stored on MicroSD).
So with that said, with 1 gig of internal storage, this device is VERY limited to how many programs you can load onto it right?
And I know there is App2SD but not all apps are compatible doing that. How do you guys fare with such limited internal storage?
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You do realize that you are confusing the storage mediums, right? The 32gb of storage on your transformer is the same as the 8gb of storage on the SD card that comes with the Evo 3D. You can always install a 32gb card if you want. The Asus only has 1gb of "internal storage." in the way you are lookig at this.
You really are not going to find many phones with more internal storage unless they are sealed and have no MicroSD slot (aka iPhone).
Well I was really worried to owned a EVO and only had like 400 mb left. And the Thunderbird like 2.5 gb free (out of the 8gb internal that they say it has) anyways most apps over 10mb will let you moved to SD card , I download a lot apps and games are the only ones with the big space , I was amazed the most 10 mb + in iPhone were only like 3mb in Android, so don't worry you'll be ok
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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You do realize that you are confusing the storage mediums, right? The 32gb of storage on your transformer is the same as the 8gb of storage on the SD card that comes with the Evo 3D. You can always install a 32gb card if you want. The Asus only has 1gb of "internal storage." in the way you are lookig at this.
You really are not going to find many phones with more internal storage unless they are sealed and have no MicroSD slot (aka iPhone).
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Isn't the 16/32GB on the transformer internal (with the ability to add up to another 32GB via microSD)? (I'm not sure, hence the question)
Dude 1GB is like a godsend for me. My OGVO had >300MB when it was bone stock, I'm very thankful for my 1GB and you should be too. But I also try not to load up my phones with bull**** I never use and usually have like 2-8 apps downloaded, max. I'd just get a bigger SD card if it bothers you that much, 32 gigs is like $40.
A lot of the 4gb is the ROM and security features. Once we can install custom ROMs we will get a couple gigs back. I don't know why I just said that. A previous poster said that. LOL I fail at forums. ;P
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Dude 1GB is like a godsend for me. My OGVO had >300MB when it was bone stock, I'm very thankful for my 1GB and you should be too. But I also try not to load up my phones with bull**** I never use and usually have like 2-8 apps downloaded, max. I'd just get a bigger SD card if it bothers you that much, 32 gigs is like $40.
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+1 on this.
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Isn't the 16/32GB on the transformer internal (with the ability to add up to another 32GB via microSD)? (I'm not sure, hence the question)
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It's internal in the sense that it is built inside the unit, but its more like a SSD setup. Another way to think about it is like the 16/32 you are talking about is a MicroSD and you can add a second MicroSD. I mean it's not, but for conceptual reasons, that is one way to understand it.
You are correct....however...this 1g is for sense...apps and memory management file and the 3vo has plenty unless you are going to load 600+ apps SD another user here does...600 hundred...my god...
I was a bit concerned at first coming from a Droid x. That thing was the king of space when it came out. I think apps to SD was just coming out then. Now almost all apps are s2d. I've got 50+ apps using 300mb on phone, a couple gigs app usage on SD. I don't think its an issue any more.
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So the NA launch is soon upon us and can't wait to get the SGS3. However besides additional sdcard storage is there anything else between the different size models? Such as the internal storage?
I'm guessing it's partitions on the 16GB one is the same setup as the S2 but would getting the 32GB model give me more internal as well as sd? Or would it just be sd only and cheaper to buy an ext. sdcard?
I'm curious because with all the partitions and chopping of the sdcard down into different sections as well as the SGS3 being bigger in rom size and thus bigger nandroid backups what's best? I know it's cheaper to buy a separate card for plain storage but technically speaking would it just be easier to have a bigger card built into the phone in the first place?
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The only difference is the amount of memory. Nothing else. As far as your apps storage goes, it's as much as you have left on the phone... so if you have 10gb left... you can install 10gb apps.
Identical phone, more storage, so if you want your Apps on internal memory then go for 32gb or just the 16gb and keep Apps internal and media external if you use that much.
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Identical phone, more storage, so if you want your Apps on internal memory then go for 32gb or just the 16gb and keep Apps internal and media external if you use that much.
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I'm guessing the 16GB model has 2GBs of internal for apps etc so the 32GB has 4? Or is it the same? Can anyone confirm? This is mainly what I'm wondering
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I'm guessing the 16GB model has 2GBs of internal for apps etc so the 32GB has 4? Or is it the same? Can anyone confirm? This is mainly what I'm wondering
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11GB.. there's no set partition for apps storage.
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11GB.. there's no set partition for apps storage.
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Ah I see so samsung changed their partitions with the SGS3 over how they did it on the S2? You get 12.3 GBs left on the S2 for sdcard and a separate 2GBs for internal? So if the S3 has 11 total where is our missing space? 16 to 11?
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So if the S3 has 11 total where is our missing space? 16 to 11?
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I won't go into the details (there are enough technical description on WHY) bu you loose roughly 7-10% of storage due to the filesystem.
Let's say it was a nice round 10%; you'd have 14.54GB left on the device.
Now substract the 1GB partition of the system, 1GB partition of the cache and 400MB of the secure storage.
You're now down to 12. With the additional partitions such as recovery, the binary counter location, ... you're down to a nice round 11.
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I won't go into the details (there are enough technical description on WHY) bu you loose roughly 7-10% of storage due to the filesystem.
Let's say it was a nice round 10%; you'd have 14.54GB left on the device.
Now substract the 1GB partition of the system, 1GB partition of the cache and 400MB of the secure storage.
You're now down to 12. With the additional partitions such as recovery, the binary counter location, ... you're down to a nice round 11.
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Thanks, no worries on the tech details I know this already, I just wasn't getting any direct answer about the internal storage section, bortak came off like he only was talking about the SD card storage. Thanks for the info, glad Samsung made the switch to just having all the apps on the whole of the remaining sd card space rather then having a separate partition which I always thought was kinda dumb to begin with.
Is there some kind of partition in the 64GB Data that will not allow me to use the full 64GB for Apps ?, how much of the 64GB is left ?, after Android and System apps are configured, meaning after the first boot?, thanks
As I recall, there was only about 55 GB and some change available for storage on my 64 GB One before I started putting my stuff on it. Some of that space is taken up by Android and Sense and the rest with Google Apps and AT&T's crapware. About the same percentage was on my One X when I has it and even a Nexus has some taken up, (but a smaller percentage of) it's storage taken up by system apps so that's just par for the course. Think of it like a "C:" drive on your computer - it may be advertised as 1 Terabyte, but you know that the OS is on there at least so you're never going to see that whole amount usable by you.
I store lots of music and pictures on mine plus some high memory games (Dead Trigger, Contract Killer 2) and I still have 25 GB left so I'm not bothered at all by the fact that some of the memory is used for the system.