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We bugged the heck out of HTC to get them to give us a bootloader unlock. Now, let's bug them to give us kernel source!
Steps:
1) Go to HTC's Facebook page. If this is your first time, click on Like to like HTC's Facebook page - this is needed so that you can post on HTC's wall.
2) Post something on their wall asking for kernel source for the EVO 3D, EVO 4G, EVO Shift, and Sensation. If you don't know what to type or just want it made easy, copy/paste the following:
Please release the kernel source for the EVO 3D, EVO 4G, EVO Shift, and Sensation. I love HTC devices, but I would like them even more if we could get kernel source in a timely manner.
3) Go to Twitter and Tweet something @HTC. For another copy/paste option, use this:
@HTC Please release kernel source for EVO 3D, EVO 4G, Shift, and Sensation. #gplviolation
5) Post in this thread to keep it bumped near the top - make this as visible as possible!
5) Repeat as often as possible, but please do this at least once per day! Thanks!
FAQ:
Why are we doing this? Several reasons - but most of all, all Linux-based kernels are governed by the GPL - this basically means that anyone that takes a Linux kernel and modifies it and releases that software publicly must include a copy of the source code released at the same time. HTC is, by law, required to release their kernel source. Unfortunately, HTC usually waits 2-4 months to release.
What is kernel source? It's the actual source code needed to compile a kernel for our phones.
What is a kernel? Think of it as the core of the operating system (or the core of Android, if you will). It's what makes everything work and makes it all work together.
Why do we need kernel source? Kernel source is needed to make a solid kernel for AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and MIUI. It's also very useful for making all of the other custom kernels such as netarchy's kernels that were famous on the EVO 4G and for adding in extras like overclocking, undervolting, etc. Kernel source may also help us develop a method for obtaining our own S-OFF before HTC releases their unlocked bootloader.
What is the GPL? Click the link!
Please note that HTC is starting to play a little bit dirty by deleting some people's posts on Facebook. For the time being, please try to remain respectful when posting to give them less of a reason to delete. Thanks.
edited: a new canned response it looks like...
Thought this was funny from awhile back: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/21/htc-0-linux-core-dev-1-htcs-delays-of-mandatory-android-kernel-releases-come-back-to-bite-it-in-the-rear/
Has anyone suggested HTC register here? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/compliance
it might be September before we get the bootloader unlocked... and who knows what kinda tricks they may pull. Without that, I'm not concerned about kernel source.
Bump.... Will do
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Rippley05 said:
it might be September before we get the bootloader unlocked... and who knows what kinda tricks they may pull. Without that, I'm not concerned about kernel source.
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I suppose you're welcome to wait for HTC to release their unlock, but that doesn't mean that we still can't unlock it ourselves - which would be easier if we had kernel source. Further, there's nothing stopping kernel developers from working on kernels before we have achieved S-OFF on our devices so that the kernels are ready when the devices are.
They aren't really breaking any laws, the GPL has plenty of wiggle room and loop holes in it.
Tons of companies never release the source code, even though they are supposed to.
I don't see the point in bugging them about it. They said they are going to do it, they just need more time. Don't be a dbag and hassle them about it. I used to work at customer care and all it did was piss off the staff when someone did this and we had to answer calls all day about some stupid stuff that wasn't released on its "release date", though one had never been made official. We came up with a script and would just read it back word for word anytime they asked. If they still asked questions after that, we just re-read the script until all their questions were answered.
I think its rude, annoying, and being a bad consumer. They have clearly said they are going to do it. Patience is a virtue. I'm sure they have a reason, most companies that aren't Apple listen to their customers, and when they say, hey we hear you, and we will do it, they usually mean it. Especially when its posted so publicly on their Twitter and Facebook.
So just chill, wait a little, and it'll be here. Bugging them probably won't speed up the people doing the work (because those doing the work, and those responding to your questions are 2 different people)
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What's the point of having a kernel source with no s-off? Is rather have then unlock the bootloader first, by then they should be ready to release the source.
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What's the point of having a kernel source with no s-off? Is rather have then unlock the bootloader first, by then they should be ready to release the source.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15759458&postcount=5
fr0st420 said:
What's the point of having a kernel source with no s-off? Is rather have then unlock the bootloader first, by then they should be ready to release the source.
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See two posts above yours.
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You all know there is still a lot you can do without s-off... it'll help the cause either way.
They aren't really breaking any laws, the GPL has plenty of wiggle room and loop holes in it.
Tons of companies never release the source code, even though they are supposed to.
I don't see the point in bugging them about it. They said they are going to do it, they just need more time. Don't be a dbag and hassle them about it. I used to work at customer care and all it did was piss off the staff when someone did this and we had to answer calls all day about some stupid stuff that wasn't released on its "release date", though one had never been made official. We came up with a script and would just read it back word for word anytime they asked. If they still asked questions after that, we just re-read the script until all their questions were answered.
I think its rude, annoying, and being a bad consumer. They have clearly said they are going to do it. Patience is a virtue. I'm sure they have a reason, most companies that aren't Apple listen to their customers, and when they say, hey we hear you, and we will do it, they usually mean it. Especially when its posted so publicly on their Twitter and Facebook.
So just chill, wait a little, and it'll be here. Bugging them probably won't speed up the people doing the work (because those doing the work, and those responding to your questions are 2 different people)
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yeah, because that's exactly what HTC wants right now with Apple's lawsuit getting so much attention; the fact that they take advantage of the GNU and withhold the kernel source a good portion of a devices life cycle in order give themselves an unfair advantage. They may want to think about restaffing their legal team if that's the plan.
Keep the pressure on. If the S-OFF videos on YouTube for the Sensation are correct, then S-OFF will probably be released soon for our EVOs as well. We'll really want that kernel source ASAP!
Been pestering them for the source, they are being stubborn:
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150371265543084?notif_t=feed_comment
I've also tried support e-mails and posting on Twitter every day, so far nothing.
Whenever I see these threads I always wonder, what will you guys ask for next? lol
We can ask for whatever we want. With enough pressure, maybe we'll get it. We'll get kernel source eventually no matter what, but it'd be nice to get it sooner rather than later.
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I think its rude, annoying, and being a bad consumer.
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Are you serious? I mean are you serious? I live in a country that is run by faceless corporations and big business whose only reason for existence is to make sure they get every penny we make somehow. Wether it be 2gig caps or insurance hikes for no reason or a car that needs traded in because its falling apart at pay off. Or big business and churches donating politically to see that their best interests are met. And your gonna say be a good consumer. Go back to your phone and cubicle my friend. HTC along with every other company is making money hand over fist right now, based off of an open source product. They have the bootloader and kernel information in hand, there isnt anyone working on it, it exists already. Bad consumer
Up to the top. Please keep bugging HTC and keep bumping the thread so that it stays where people will see it!
Don't give up people... we really need kernel source to get the most out of our EVO 3Ds!!!
I agree, help out here guys. We won't get any decent vanilla roms or any good kernels without this, and s-off won't really matter.
I dont think a campaign, even in numbers, will achieve a faster delivery of bootloader or kernel source. HTC has a lot going on right now. Really.
With Apple's victory in the courtroom, I would imagine that the delay in the bootloader is re-writing some original source and incorporating the unlock as well... for numerous devices. They are likely working on source and unlock for other phones while conducting massive source re-write in order to keep HTC handsets coming to America.
Personally, I would rather see the delay of unlock longer than the death of HTC availability in the US...
Simply a statement. I would not undermine or put down anyone's attempts to acquire these things. I was just trying to facilitate a little understanding on HTC's behalf. And no, I do not work for them. ;-)
Hello,
I know many of us are quite disappointed with Apple's actions of late. It really seems since they went to Intel Chips on their Computers, they have sold their souls.
I think it would be more constructive to aim all of this energy at our displeasure with Apple as opposed to hammering HTC any further. The Bootloader will be Unlocked and with the capabilities of the Developers here, the full potential of these Phones will soon be unleashed.
Cheers,
JJ
Hi to all.
I was thinking of requesting all members out in the community (at least on XDA) to put a shout out to HTC and/or AT&T for getting us update to Ice Cream Sandwich. Perhaps if we were all to send in an email or something then it may get the point across to them that we want ICS - if not at least some news about their plans. If we all pool in and probably bombard them it may get us some more solid response rather than only 1 or 2 of us trying our luck.
I was thinking that around the 15th of May we would all get to it.
juannicolas has already agreed to help in.
Request all with the device to pool in.
We will however need adequate contact details for getting through to the right people. So those of us who have gotten a reply previously/know any contact details, please add them in so that it will be of aid in our project.
I got an email from HTC - a customer service specialist from [email protected]
Please add in any other contact details available.
Also, I remember cookiesowns @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17799114 having got his hands on a dev device. A big shout out to him to help us if he can get in contact with someone at HTC he knew from who he got the device so that that person could help us out if possible. Will PM him later on.
UPDATE 9th May, 2012:
As of now, we are planning on going ahead with how many we can on the 15th May, 2012 and then again on the 1st June and then decide further plan. Thought would be a good idea to update the 1st post here:
The following will be the locations where we would voice our concerns:
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/HTC - post in
Facebook HTC USA: http://www.facebook.com/htcusa - post in
Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/htc - tweet
HTC ICS Blog: http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/ - comment
HTC Tell us what you think blog: http://blog.htc.com/2012/04/your-phone-your-thoughts-tell-us-what-you-think/ - comment
HTC Support: http://www.htc.com/us/support/email-support - email them
HTC write a Review for HTC Jetstream: http://www.htc.com/us/tablets/htc-jetstream-att/ - include grievances about no ICS/information about updates
Also, an online petition has been created for all HTC tablets wanting ICS (Flyer, View and Jetstream) and they also joining in. Link is http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/htc-tablet-users-want-updates/
So, do sign in, spread the word and lets hope for the best. Will post further updates in the thread and in this post as well.
UPDATE 14TH MAY 2012
Many of you have heard about thenews posted at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1651651. We will however still continue with the above plans tomorrow-I.e. 15th May 2012 by contacting HTC by different means. However, a small change. Please add in that give us ICS or release the source code and partition block data so that we can do so if you'll aren't interested.
Ipetition for the same also made at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/release-source-code-and-block-partition-data-for/
Do sign, spread the word and join in tomorrow. We shall repeat the exercise on the 1st June again. HTC is liable to answer us so we deserve an answer. Chances are more we will get an answer if we all join in.
I'm in.
but i'm not sure that bombarding a useless minion that knows nothing will do the trick..
we should do that, and also use the public platform - Facebook page, twitter, HTC ics blog (http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/). all with the same massage at the same day..
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I'm in.
but i'm not sure that bombarding a useless minion that knows nothing will do the trick..
we should do that, and also use the public platform - Facebook page, twitter, HTC ics blog (http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/). all with the same massage at the same day..
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Agreed. Hope more people will join in. I shall PM as many people with the Jetstream to join in at a later time.
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I'm in as well, I had already contacted HTC a few days ago and got the same reply I saw you guys post. I will try to contact ATT as well within the next few days.
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I'll contact as well.
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I'm in if it means spamming the blog/twitter/facebook, but I will not participate in email-bombing some poor CSR. That's not going to get anything done, and it'll piss off someone who, presumably, has done nothing wrong.
I am in! Let me know what is going to be the method of communication.
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I'm in if it means spamming the blog/twitter/facebook, but I will not participate in email-bombing some poor CSR. That's not going to get anything done, and it'll piss off someone who, presumably, has done nothing wrong.
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That is perfectly fine. Will post here with further details.
Add in an online petition too?
Would it be a good idea to add in an online petition too? If yes, anyone willing to take that up and get it started as well and share details here?
I am in the process of manually getting hold of the users who have a Jetstream so as to PM them all about the plan and ask for their support too.
Have got only the Development section to check for users who posted in the General, Accessories and Apps sections. Will take a while for sure.
Count me in although I M not on AT&T I am on Rogers...
It is my opinion that we shouldn't do this until xda posts an rss news feed about the organized attempt to contact htc and plea for an update, potentially reaching more users to join this bandwagon.
5 or 6 people emailing htc does nothing.
I'm in.From Israel.Unlocked
are we to try doing all at the same time (Hour-wise)?
also, i'd try contact the flyer forum and unite with them. as the "ignored htc tablets users"
and another question, are we to post the same message or each of us will write something somewhere in random?
as for the places to spam, i'd go for HTC USA facebook page as well.
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Count me in although I M not on AT&T I am on Rogers...
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Me too. And contacting AT&T probably won't do much good. It's not like HTC's released ICS for the Jetstream and AT&T is holding it back. If AT&T + Rogers could market this as an ICS tablet, it'd theoretically sell better.
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It is my opinion that we shouldn't do this until xda posts an rss news feed about the organized attempt to contact htc and plea for an update, potentially reaching more users to join this bandwagon.
5 or 6 people emailing htc does nothing.
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That is also a good idea. Don't mind it either way. I managed to list out those active on the forum and am ready to send them all a pm to invite them to join in-its around 120 or 130 people. But then again we aren't certain how many will join in too.
I don't know how XDA will post the RSS and when. If that is what others feel would be the correct step ahead, then let's do that. Opinions from others? I am willing for either options and will surely contribute the best I can. Basically we need to take an organised step with a lot of the users out here so as to catch HTC'S attention rather than a few of us just getting small "ignorance is bliss cues" from HTC - and for this I do feel more the merrier would be more effective rather than the earlier the better.
On another note, how can we get XDA to issue such a News feed? Do we have to request someone or contact someone or something? Can the forum moderator also please guide us about this?
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are we to try doing all at the same time (Hour-wise)?
also, i'd try contact the flyer forum and unite with them. as the "ignored htc tablets users"
and another question, are we to post the same message or each of us will write something somewhere in random?
as for the places to spam, i'd go for HTC USA facebook page as well.
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I feel it would be better to add in our own messages rather than the same hum drum of same messages. And let's add in the HTC USA Facebook page as well to the list.
As seen above, typhoopnikan feels it would be a better idea to wait for XDA to issue an RSS then we take action. I feel its a good idea too. Others please voice your opinion so we can decide. Perhaps if 1 of you could poll in, we will go with the majority (sorry but I don't know how to start a poll here or would have done so myself)
And as far as including HTC Flyer section guys also in, it would certainly catch the attention of HTC more than just us Jetstream guys but it would also take a lot more organising, spreading the word more and getting more to join in which would surely take more time. If someone from the Flyer section can take the responsibility to pool in and coordinate with us, perhaps it could work.
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Me too. And contacting AT&T probably won't do much good. It's not like HTC's released ICS for the Jetstream and AT&T is holding it back. If AT&T + Rogers could market this as an ICS tablet, it'd theoretically sell better.
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Contacting AT&T and/or Rogers I felt would be a good idea so that we don't leave any page untouched. Personally I don't have either so they will just not reply to any of my queries. I sim unlocked my device around December 2011 - January 2012 and have been using different SIMs with it. Still, I would go with the majority-as the majority say, so we shall do.
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Two options
A few ways to get this movement recognized via XDA rss feed...
1. Via "tip us" page and let them know about this. Though, we may get ignored. http://www.xda-developers.com/suggest-content/
2. Contact those who often publish on XDA about EVO devices. Ones I search for and get consistent results are
ORB3000
POORCOLLEGEGUY
These two members have consistently shown interest/posted about EVO Flyer and Jetstream on XDA news feed. I would contact them or alert them of this thread.
I think this is building up to something real.
published the cause at the flyer page:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1643202
can't hurt.
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A few ways to get this movement recognized via XDA rss feed...
1. Via "tip us" page and let them know about this. Though, we may get ignored. http://www.xda-developers.com/suggest-content/
2. Contact those who often publish on XDA about EVO devices. Ones I search for and get consistent results are
ORB3000
POORCOLLEGEGUY
These two members have consistently shown interest/posted about EVO Flyer and Jetstream on XDA news feed. I would contact them or alert them of this thread.
I think this is building up to something real.
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Thanks. Will try them all. hopefully it works out.
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published the cause at the flyer page:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1643202
can't hurt.
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Cool. If they also show some response and the RSS news feed of xda does click, we may have to postpone the date a bit. Let's see. I shall PM the people whose I'D I have managed to collect in any case. I will add in the details about waiting for an xda RSS feed in order to bring more attention and also about possibility of the guys over at flyer to join us in which case, we may postpone the event to probably something like the 1st of next month in order to gather more momentum.
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Cool. If they also show some response and the RSS news feed of xda does click, we may have to postpone the date a bit. Let's see. I shall PM the people whose I'D I have managed to collect in any case. I will add in the details about waiting for an xda RSS feed in order to bring more attention and also about possibility of the guys over at flyer to join us in which case, we may postpone the event to probably something like the 1st of next month in order to gather more momentum.
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Thank you and everyone else for all the effort!
http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-release-the-source-code-for-4g-and-3d-on-the-htc-evo-3d#
Please Evo 3D community, sign my petition to get 3D and 4G source code for our phone. If the Amaze 4G can get their source code for the wifi drivers, why can't we get our source code for the 2 biggest features on our device? Imagine AOSP with 3D and fully functional 4G! Sounds nice right. The beauty of AOSP with the main function of the phone intact, have your cake and eat it too . Binux-Project did an amazing job with the 3D boot ani, but his job should not have been as difficult as it was. So, please sign!
Read the fine print
ognimnella said:
Please Evo 3D community, sign my petition to get 3D and 4G source code for our phone. If the Amaze 4G can get their source code for the wifi drivers, why can't we get our source code for the 2 biggest features on our device? Imagine AOSP with 3D and fully functional 4G! Sounds nice right. The beauty of AOSP with the main function of the phone intact, have your cake and eat it too . Binux-Project did an amazing job with the 3D boot ani, but his job should not have been as difficult as it was. So, please sign!
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If you haven't read the change.org privacy policy I suggest doing that before opening an account on this site. I'm not trying to undermine your effort, but after reading that policy there is no way I will open an account there. Here's the part I didn't like:
2. Data we collect and store
• As part of the registration process, we collect your name, email address, and mailing address (your “Personal Information”). We may additionally track data (including data which has been marked by the user as “Deleted”) relating to your behavior on the website, including, but not limited to, creating a campaign, signing a campaign, your general geographic region and/or your organization affiliations (your “Campaign Activity Information”). Please do not post any personal information in any public forum of Change.org which you expect to remain private, including, but not limited to, any Personal Information and/or Campaign Activity Information. We also reserve the right to collect any data about you which is publically available; this data may be obtained by us or by a 3rd party engaged by us to collect such information.
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It's not clear that HTC will even review a petition on this site, so I recommend using the comments form on the htcdev.com website as an alternative. Their privacy policy is here.
ramjet73
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If you haven't read the change.org privacy policy I suggest doing that before opening an account on this site. I'm not trying to undermine your effort, but after reading that policy there is no way I will open an account there. Here's the part I didn't like:
It's not clear that HTC will even review a petition on this site, so I recommend using the comments form on the htcdev.com website as an alternative. Their privacy policy is here.
ramjet73
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Ramjet to the rescue! Thank u man The only reason I used it is because this is the same site I saw someone else use, but thank you so much! I'll have to look around, but I really do want that code, would make a lot of lives easier around here...
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Ramjet to the rescue! Thank u man The only reason I used it is because this is the same site I saw someone else use, but thank you so much! I'll have to look around, but I really do want that code, would make a lot of lives easier around here...
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Well now I'm going to delete my change account thank you Ramjet
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http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-release-the-source-code-for-4g-and-3d-on-the-htc-evo-3d#
Please Evo 3D community, sign my petition to get 3D and 4G source code for our phone. If the Amaze 4G can get their source code for the wifi drivers, why can't we get our source code for the 2 biggest features on our device? Imagine AOSP with 3D and fully functional 4G! Sounds nice right. The beauty of AOSP with the main function of the phone intact, have your cake and eat it too . Binux-Project did an amazing job with the 3D boot ani, but his job should not have been as difficult as it was. So, please sign!
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ognimnella, your awesome being so proactive trying to give them a kick in the ass. Thanks. I just wish we would of had that before I leave. Leaving to go with T-Mobile when the Note 2 gets released.
ramjet73 said:
If you haven't read the change.org privacy policy I suggest doing that before opening an account on this site. I'm not trying to undermine your effort, but after reading that policy there is no way I will open an account there. Here's the part I didn't like:
It's not clear that HTC will even review a petition on this site, so I recommend using the comments form on the htcdev.com website as an alternative. Their privacy policy is here.
ramjet73
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Good looking out keeping everyone from 'Big Brother' keeping a better eye on us.
From my Swagged Out 3VO using XParent Blue Tapatalk
"Hello. I have an EVO 3D CDMA and I, along with fellow developers and ROM enthusiasts would like to ask if you are able and willing to give us the source code for the 3D and 4G parts of our phone. We have had many developers attempt both 3D and 4G fixes and only a few of the 4G fixes have stuck and worked. We, as a community, would like to have access to the source code of these two (possibly proprietary) objects. Thank you for reading this and please, continue to make amazing products."
This is what I just sent HTC. We will see how it goes, eh?
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Yes this is true....however htc will not release code EVER under any circumstance..........
Plus they will most likely never release sense 4.1/4.5 for this phone either
Lens_flare said:
Yes this is true....however htc will not release code EVER under any circumstance..........
Plus they will most likely never release sense 4.1/4.5 for this phone either
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well i emailed em too and i got a response
email:
Thank you for contacting HTC regarding Kernel Source code. I know that this code is important to the development community and I will be happy to assist you with the correct information regarding this.
HTC is committed to assisting customers in getting kernel source code for HTC devices. We will release source code in accordance with any applicable open source license terms. We are working to release appropriate kernel code bases as soon as possible after device launch but we cannot guarantee the exact time frame. Other source codes, which are not required to be disclosed by the open source license terms, unfortunately cannot be disclosed by HTC as they may be proprietary to HTC or its licensor.
Please keep an eye on removedurl for more information, John. I hope you enjoy the rest of your week.
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Exact same response I got
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3D was a good idea for about 5 minutes. Sprint 4G Wimax about 6 minutes. Both = epic fail and waste of money for sprint and HTC. Not sure if I will ever buy another HTC phone because of all their kernel and driver sensitivity.
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well i emailed em too and i got a response
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Sounds like a politician, double talk with no clear answer, so read between the lines, we will never get the source for 4G and 3D from HTC.
(Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh! )
C'mon guys, just 20 votes?
No one is going to vote because we gave up. We're going to read about samsung phones and find out when our contract ends. I'm done with htc because their dev support was ****. I have to spend a crappy 2 years with this phone because they just don't care at all.
HTC is dead; look at the news from last week
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/10/26/215235/htc-losing-ground-faster-than-rim-or-nokia
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57540931-94/htc-cant-take-the-heat-warns-of-rough-holiday-quarter/
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...owest-sales-since-2010-as-market-share-slides
http://www.delawareonline.com/viewa...22/HTC-seeks-reverse-sliding-smartphone-sales
It's possible to write an email or something to HTC to relase the 3D camera drivers for the Evo 3D?
The Evo 3d's developement is gonna be dying,we don't want this
the old HD2 gets the new KitKat and they don't give up.I should we can do something together.I don't know who is capable to relase them drivers but I wanna ask they to do it.Maybe if we letter they it's possible to get the drivers
There is no polite way to say it, but if you email them, they will very politely say go f*ck yourself, we will not give you anything
With a big enough petition we MIGHT get them, but that has been tried before and none of them has gotten enough votes.
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1ackass said:
There is no polite way to say it, but if you email them, they will very politely say go f*ck yourself, we will not give you anything
With a big enough petition we MIGHT get them, but that has been tried before and none of them has gotten enough votes.
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so sad
Actually, there is a way to have alot of chances to archive it or making HTC really pi$$ed off with developer scene.
My idea was to start up a petition that is written in a way that will make HTC feel massive discomfort to the point they will be forced to give an effective answer to the issue, a good one or a really bad one
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You need to break down the issues and the reason of this petition as this:
1. This petition is done because, while in vague theory they do, technicaly the company does not provide the full sources that can lead to proper builds and this is effectively a GPL violation. (Rough explanation but you get the point)
2. You need to make it clear that your demands have nothing to do with asking the company to bring out a software update to the device and that any such claim or excuse is out of topic.
3. You need to point out that if so many other companies did the right move and released to the public such stuff, even companies that released them after they got defunct, you don't see why HTC wouldn't do it, especialy at a period that their integrity in the market is on trial and their feedback, support and marketing are the key factors that will have the first and the last word if they will survive the pressure.
4. Also emphasize on the fact that since you don't ask actually for a software update which could take hours and money to develop, you don't see the reason why they wouldn't release the drivers for 3D features which is a thing that could take as much as 5 seconds to do so on their dev site.
I want to start a petition for it but people on XDA are really better on these stuff so I wait for someone else with more reputation and experience to do such thing, or atleast a person that I could work on it together. I hope also XDA would spread out the word after the petition is done such it would be a pretty intresting thing to see (apart from the results) in the Android ecosystem.
So anyone with me?
We tried for our desire to write to HTC (flooding in the end) to release camera drivers to have it properly working with ion, but they answered that they couldn't give US them because they are proprietary (not HTC)
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We tried for our desire to write to HTC (flooding in the end) to release camera drivers to have it properly working with ion, but they answered that they couldn't give US them because they are proprietary (not HTC)
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That's a cheap excuse if that's true. They could give you info with who's is responsible for them. It was a tricky answer and to be honest, it wouldn't be the first time they lie about stuff like that, and unfortunately it seems like it wasn't and won't be the last, we are seeing a trend here that needs to end asap.
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That's a cheap excuse if that's true. They could give you info with who's is responsible for them. It was a tricky answer and to be honest, it wouldn't be the first time they lie about stuff like that, and unfortunately it seems like it wasn't and won't be the last, we are seeing a trend here that needs to end asap.
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Yes I know, we expect that after the behavior they had with newer devices, after all desire is 3 years old.
hi guys as some of you know a few of us are trying to port various roms to the htc one max, however this is proving very difficult as we do not have the kernel source code which is the main thing stopping us. Recently i have tweeted at @HTCDev on twitter asking them if and when they plan to release them, and i figured that many voices are stronger than 1 so if lots of people tweet @HTCDev we might have a standing chance of getting them just an idea !
you might have seen the other thread from which involved emailing HTC about the same thing and we did not get much of response there.. we can surely do this, but don't know if that will help
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@htcdev hello, when can we expect the kernel sources for the MAX to be available for downloads?
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Yo whaddup whaddup pradeep.... Yo so to everyone and all I'm back! Sorry I took a little holiday break from posting and what not lol.. So I officially went out and bought a brand new hefty solid state drive some new ram and a nice little dev box and installed my favorite Linny dis Fedora! It's all set up for strictly Android development and Android development only!!!!!!!!!! Anyone who is down to do some work with me for all variants I'm specifically Verizon but I'll work on all of them with you guys feel free to hit me up..
As for the kernel source I spoke directly to Shauna from HTCDev on the phone as she called me twice until she actually got me cuz I lol screen my calls and when realized it was her again I answered.. When anyone sends an email through HTCDev "tell us what you want" it goes directly to her, so we actually established a relationship haha.. She told me for every email I sent and for all the emails I encouraged you guys to send that she pings corporate. Corp then sends them the source and they go ahead and upload it. She basically told me not to expect anything until as early as January 2nd when they start coming back from vacation from the holidays.. So it is coming, they are fully aware that it needs to be posted and they are indeed working on it for us..
So yes like I said I'm ready to go so hit me up peeps.....
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you might have seen the other thread from which involved emailing HTC about the same thing and we did not get much of response there.. we can surely do this, but don't know if that will help
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Yo whaddup whaddup pradeep.... Yo so to everyone and all I'm back! Sorry I took a little holiday break from posting and what not lol.. So I officially went out and bought a brand new hefty solid state drive some new ram and a nice little dev box and installed my favorite Linny dis Fedora! It's all set up for strictly Android development and Android development only!!!!!!!!!! Anyone who is down to do some work with me for all variants I'm specifically Verizon but I'll work on all of them with you guys feel free to hit me up..
As for the kernel source I spoke directly to Shauna from HTCDev on the phone as she called me twice until she actually got me cuz I lol screen my calls and when realized it was her again I answered.. When anyone sends an email through HTCDev "tell us what you want" it goes directly to her, so we actually established a relationship haha.. She told me for every email I sent and for all the emails I encouraged you guys to send that she pings corporate. Corp then sends them the source and they go ahead and upload it. She basically told me not to expect anything until as early as January 2nd when they start coming back from vacation from the holidays.. So it is coming, they are fully aware that it needs to be posted and they are indeed working on it for us..
So yes like I said I'm ready to go so hit me up peeps.....
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welcome back mate! Hope you had a great vacation! Happy new year to you and everyone around!
Excited to know your dev setup, I have got virtual box for Ubuntu 12.10 ready for the same. Thanks for the update. I am no kernel dev but want to start kicking things and yeah got some great support from you and the other guys.
There was another dev who left the device a few days ago, not sure what the reason was
The worst part i suspect is going to be after KitKat Update, which is like about 1 month away and we need to repeat the waiting again for that :/
Thanks for update! keep rocking!!!
Well as long as we get some type of source and better it being 4.3 source I'm sure Flyhalf won't have to much of a problem building us a solid CM11 using this sources.. I believe its pretty much what he did with the original HTC One but this was also on Verizon which is what I'm on.. Either way we should hopefully be getting somewhere very soon!!
Sent a "Tell us what your Want" to HTCDev. Tracking # 3936471
I also have a case open with HTC dev
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Yo whaddup whaddup pradeep.... Yo so to everyone and all I'm back! Sorry I took a little holiday break from posting and what not lol.. So I officially went out and bought a brand new hefty solid state drive some new ram and a nice little dev box and installed my favorite Linny dis Fedora! It's all set up for strictly Android development and Android development only!!!!!!!!!! Anyone who is down to do some work with me for all variants I'm specifically Verizon but I'll work on all of them with you guys feel free to hit me up..
As for the kernel source I spoke directly to Shauna from HTCDev on the phone as she called me twice until she actually got me cuz I lol screen my calls and when realized it was her again I answered.. When anyone sends an email through HTCDev "tell us what you want" it goes directly to her, so we actually established a relationship haha.. She told me for every email I sent and for all the emails I encouraged you guys to send that she pings corporate. Corp then sends them the source and they go ahead and upload it. She basically told me not to expect anything until as early as January 2nd when they start coming back from vacation from the holidays.. So it is coming, they are fully aware that it needs to be posted and they are indeed working on it for us..
So yes like I said I'm ready to go so hit me up peeps.....
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hey all! how have you been? the kernel source situation is getting a bit ridiculous! we are about to get the 4.4 update in a few weeks and still don't have the source code for 4.3, i can't imagine the wait we are going to have to go through for the 4.4 source code!
Yep. I have sent about 27 request to HTC Dev. The Answer is the same. "We have escalated your issue to Tier 2 for "Tracking".
I responded back saying.. I don't care about tracking.. I want to know when they will honor the GPL for release of the kernel.
The answer is "Sorry we do not have a ETA for the release of the kernel. Please keep an eye on our htcdev.com site and the sources will be posted there when released."
So I took to twitter and have been calling them out there asking for GPL compliance for the HTC One Max Kernel Source for both 4.3 now and 4.4 upon deployment.
Newest Email after I have been raising hell on twitter.
Dear Deadphoenix,
It is really nice to hear from you.
Deadphoenix, I totally understand what you are saying and in this case this situation, due to policies, needs to be handle by a higher department and that is why that I am asking you for your contact number, this will help me in order to pass this to the right department.
Please let me know this information and I will be more than glad to help you with this.
Have an amazing Wednesday, Deadphoenix.
Thanks for the effort mate
Here is my most recent email I sent to HTC Dev:
Hello,
From information I gathered from the Free Software Foundation (authors of the GPL) about this (as well as some other folks I know that have a better legal background than I), and I compiled the following information for you.
Brett Smith at the Free Software Foundation said, in response to your recent claims that the GPL provides for a delay: "HTC's reading is outrageous -- we honestly thought no respectable company would have the gall to publicly make this argument. A delay of 90-120 days is not reasonable, considering that they must already have the source code.". Clearly, then, the authors of the GPL did not intend for any provision for a delay to be present.
Other legally-trained acquaintances commented that allowing a delay there would easily lead to reductio ad absurdum -- i.e., if an arbitrary delay could be inserted in this contract (which HTC agreed to upon releasing the binary), then that would imply that an arbitrary delay could be inserted in any contract. In most legal cases, it has been shown that if something can be read as either being absurd or not being absurd, the not-absurd reading is the one legally taken.
You mentioned 3(b) of the GPL, which begins that you must "accompany [the binary distribution] with a written offer, valid for at least three years [...] a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code", and it seems that the second clause there -- "valid for at least three years" is the crux of it. Currently, the distribution does come with an offer, but the offer is not valid -- when I asked for the source code, HTC was unable to provide it for me, claiming instead that it would be given to me at an unspecified point in the future. This is not acceptable.
I note also that legal interpretations of a work tend to consider not just the strictly written details, but the intent; when details are in dispute, the overall intent is then referred to. The goal of the GNU GPL is to enhance the freedoms of anyone who receives the software, and to force one who might modify the software and distribute it for their own purposes to publish their changes back to the community. The GNU GPL does not have any provisions for temporarily withholding source for competitive or other reasons; the agreement that one must make when one distributes a binary is that one must also distribute source. Not doing so at the same time would be a violation, not just of the letter, but of the spirit of the contract; the goal of the GNU GPL is to enrich the freedoms of the commons through which software is distributed.
Given these four points -- the FSF's reading, the reductio ad absurdum, the letter of section 3(b) of the GPL, and the spirit of the GPL as a whole -- it is clear that the GPL requires that HTC release the source for the kernel at the same time or earlier than the binary. To that end, I request that you, within 24 hours, provide me with a link to the source for kernel of the HTC One Max 4.3 as well as the 4.4 Kernel upon release of the binary to the public.
It is clear from the reading and intention of the GPL that HTC is currently in violation of the GPL requirements of making the Kernel Source available. I have a cc'd copy of this message prepared for the media outlets as well in anticipation of HTC's denial again of the Source Code. If you are unable to assist me please escalate my message to the appropriate authority capable of making the decision to comply with GPL.
Sincerely and Seriously,
hopefully, somebody who reads and speaks english will get your email..
nicely worded!
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hopefully, somebody who reads and speaks english will get your email..
nicely worded!
:good::good:
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mate, that email is quite old, dates back to days of EVO days - http://users.livejournal.com/joshua_/41833.html
but still a good effort by @DeadPhoenix to send HTC the email.
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mate, that email is quite old, dates back to days of EVO days - http://users.livejournal.com/joshua_/41833.html
but still a good effort by @DeadPhoenix to send HTC the email.
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Yep. That's the source. I use it for my response to HTC when they reply that there is no set limit to release source.
sneaky....but hopefully effective!
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sneaky....but hopefully effective!
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Supposedly someone from HTCDev Support Tier 2 is calling me today about a GPL discussion.
We shall see.
Don't forget to ask for 4.4 lol
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Supposedly someone from HTCDev Support Tier 2 is calling me today about a GPL discussion.
We shall see.
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Good luck with that sir. From everything I've ever heard about this, it seems that HTC thinks that a 60-120 day grace period is acceptable, and that's all there is to it.
By all means though, fight the good fight. I've just resigned myself to heckling their marketing team about it on Google +.
What you're doing is probably more "constructive" though...
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Good luck with that sir. From everything I've ever heard about this, it seems that HTC thinks that a 60-120 day grace period is acceptable, and that's all there is to it.
By all means though, fight the good fight. I've just resigned myself to heckling their marketing team about it on Google +.
What you're doing is probably more "constructive" though...
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Suprise... suprise they didn't call yet.