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Hello dear members
I'd like to ask if an everyday charge will harm my battery.
It's my first week with my phone, and I can't keep my hands off it
As a result, battery runs out every day!! So I charge it...
Will something happen to the battery?
thanks in advance
This phone has a litium ion battery. They don't have a memory effect but in the first time they need some time to become the full potential. So it doesn't matter if you charge the phone every day.
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Thank you so much!!!!
It's a relief
To maintain better battery life it might be a good idea to make sure that u dont fully drain the battery
That shouldn't be a problem the most battery's should have electronic inside to prevent this but I can't guarantee it. You can read also the Wikipedia article about lithium ion batteries it's quite interesting.
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It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
Thanks so much everyone Point taken
I'll never let it fall under 10%.
Well, Battery is average. If it weren't for the 2.3.3 bug, it would rock! In order for it to be normal, I keep ****ting Services.(under Services menu) like Voice talk, SocialHub(which drains a lot of battery) etc
Anyways, thanks to everyone
Sleepycat3 said:
It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
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Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
Sleepycat3 said:
It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
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I'm glad this thread exists. I'm so used to running a battery down to the minimum before charging it that I probably would have been in that habit for my SGS2. I'd actually come here to ask the same question now I've been through my first four or five "full" -> "red" -> "charge to full while off" cycles.
Is it confirmed both from the SGS2 & LION technology point of view to now keep it charged up, even if using only half/quarter charges etc to do so?
My battery is giving me around 40 hours a time so not too bad but I'd like to keep it running as well as I can.......
ithehappy said:
Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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Nope. Li-ion batteries these days prefer constant top-ups and full drain actually kills it faster. Totally opposite of what people have been taught over years of NiCD battery use that I've got friends who absolutely refuse to charge their iPhones unless it's at 10% or less. Their loss.
ithehappy said:
Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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No that's only good to do once in a while. Full discharges daily put stress on the cells and wear out li ion batteries quicker.
CarpathianUK said:
I'm glad this thread exists. I'm so used to running a battery down to the minimum before charging it that I probably would have been in that habit for my SGS2. I'd actually come here to ask the same question now I've been through my first four or five "full" -> "red" -> "charge to full while off" cycles.
Is it confirmed both from the SGS2 & LION technology point of view to now keep it charged up, even if using only half/quarter charges etc to do so?
My battery is giving me around 40 hours a time so not too bad but I'd like to keep it running as well as I can.......
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Yes it's common for all lithium ion batteries to charge as often as possible. Its true for all phones on the market today and quite a lot of discussion on this is all around the web.
Also a replacement stock battery for any cell phone today is around 20 dollars, so really you can't do much wrong since its so cheap to buy a new OEM battery replacement.
Thanks for the replies. I think this will catch a few people out so hope the thread doesn't get missed amongst all the other battery ones!
Looks like I'd better change my charging habits!
Did HTC change the way devices operate when plugged in?
With the original evo 4g, it would run off the battery even when plugged in. Is that still the case with their newer devices (including the lte)?
gpz1100 said:
Did HTC change the way devices operate when plugged in?
With the original evo 4g, it would run off the battery even when plugged in. Is that still the case with their newer devices (including the lte)?
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I don't know the answer, but a fascinating question. Laptops don't run off the battery when charging (at least I don't think any ones I've ever owned do). So why should phones? They're basically little computers now anyway. I suppose we'll need a manual to know the answer, or an HTC rep.
While I agree with your assertion above, that was not the case with the original evo.
As is recall, this is demonstrated by using battery monitor widget or similar, with history enabled. The data would indicate that once the phone reached 100% charge, it would begin to discharge until about 90%. At this point it would start charging up again (until 100%) and the cycle would repeat.
If the phone is running off the charger while plugged in, the battery level should remain at 100% the entire time. Sure there were kernels available that would change the charge rate or thresholds. Anyone with an evo 3d care to chime in?
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While I agree with your assertion above, that was not the case with the original evo.
As is recall, this is demonstrated by using battery monitor widget or similar, with history enabled. The data would indicate that once the phone reached 100% charge, it would begin to discharge until about 90%. At this point it would start charging up again (until 100%) and the cycle would repeat.
If the phone is running off the charger while plugged in, the battery level should remain at 100% the entire time. Sure there were kernels available that would change the charge rate or thresholds. Anyone with an evo 3d care to chime in?
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That seems rather silly - what if you grab the phone off the charger when it is just down to that 90% marker? It will show up as 100% I presume, and then drop rapidly down to 90%? Hmmm... No wonder those SBC kernels are so useful!
It's the same reason most new laptops give you a battery health option that only charges to 80% if you keep a battery at full charge for an extended period of time the cells will overheat and eventually lose some of their charging ability kinda like when you use a float charge on a lawnmower battery it's on a constant charge and discharge to keep the battery healthy same rule applies here.
Whatever they do/did, I hope it's well thought out, considering the battery is not removable. Once the cells degrade,...phone is shot. A bit disappointing. I'm not here trying to fight about nonremovable battery and how long it will last, and ability yo swap out batteries. But the idea that battery degradation (which is inevitable) = shot phone DOES give me pause and concern.
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Even after a year, there is noticeable diminished battery capacity. I've had the seidio 3500 in my original evo since about feb or march of last year. Fast forward to same time this year. I'd say it easily lost 20-25% capacity. With my typical usage, I could go for up to 4 days without having to recharge (yes, light user). Now, it's 2-2.5 days. I was bothered by it enough that I did an rma. Seidio said that's normal wear and tear. Fortunately, the credit card I used had an extended warranty feature too, so that's what covered it.
There will likely be a tear apart video/howto posted eventually on the evo lte. Although the battery may not be typical user replaceable, i'm confident it is possible to open the device with minimal damage.
I'm sure there will be a way to switch batteried, you'll just have to go to a phone tech probably. I'm not worried anyways, I'm still using my stock evo battery and it's still going strong
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scottspa74 said:
Whatever they do/did, I hope it's well thought out, considering the battery is not removable. Once the cells degrade,...phone is shot. A bit disappointing. I'm not here trying to fight about nonremovable battery and how long it will last, and ability yo swap out batteries. But the idea that battery degradation (which is inevitable) = shot phone DOES give me pause and concern.
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I'm sure you can fork over some cash and get the battery replaced. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. iPhones have survived with non-removable batteries for many years (although I always used that as a "con" in my comparisons between Apple and Google's respective phones).
My Evo 3D will discharge to 95% then back to 100% and repeat. It is done to keep the battery in good health longer.
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Bump since no one has given input after "release". Very interested if we will still need to do that "turn it off, charge, unplug, charge, repeat" thing.
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i would guess the phone uses the usb power source and not the battery because a few days ago my battery was low and i plugged it into my car charger and continued to use the phone,A few moments later i got notified that the phone was useing power faster than the charger could supply it
PsiPhiDan said:
I'm sure you can fork over some cash and get the battery replaced. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. iPhones have survived with non-removable batteries for many years (although I always used that as a "con" in my comparisons between Apple and Google's respective phones).
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This is true, But iPhone users have no choice. So they get used to it.
Android, at least for now, has choices regarding removeable batteries.
IPhone users also have a 3 1/2"? size screen, which they got used to.
I'd Never purchase an Android device with that size screen, even if it was available. I highly doubt they'd sell many of them with that size screen.
Reminds me of when I thought my HTC Touch Diamond's screen was so large, compared to my previous clamshell devices prior to that lol!
It was such a nice screen for its time, just like the iPhone was a nice screen for its time, but that time has long passed, except for iPhone users :-(
So as we all know the more times you recharge a battery they eventually stop being able to hold a full charge. So what happens when say in 1 year the Evo 4g LTE can only hold 70% of a charge? Do you have to send it to HTC to get the battery replaced?
I could see this being a problem on thicker phones where the battery can be deeper in, but on this phone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiKpHr8RLBs
The battery is a few screws away I'd be surprised if we don't see a few aftermarket batteries.
It will take way longer than a year to reduce capacity to %70 percent... for example my mac battery that is also lithium ion is 3 years old with 651 load cycles can hold %88 percent of the original capacity.
It will be fine past the two year mark I'd think. My Epic 4G's battery still still as good as new, and my Evo's battery wont be getting charged as much (because it lasts soo much longer).
What is the best way to condition the battery?
I'll just take it to Sprint and have them replace the battery. I have TEP.
I suspect you can take it to Sprint. I haven't had any issues with the battery on any my previous HTC phones. I think you'll have issues with the phone before you have issues with the battery.
loujennings4 said:
What is the best way to condition the battery?
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Do less full charges. These are lithium batteries and they will last longer if you charge from say, 30%-50% to 100 rather then totally dead to fully charged. All the tutorials you see posted where it says fully charge, then deplete, then charge and deplete, etc don't work. Old alkaline batts used to have a memory and if you didn't do that they would eventually not charge completely. You don't have that issue nowadays.
I agree Bring battery down to a low percentage and recharge it fully.
eXplicit815 said:
I'll just take it to Sprint and have them replace the battery. I have TEP.
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I asked about batteries at Sprint store (repair store) 2 days ago. They said they are not taking apart the phone. They are going to replace the phone for battery issues.
I had a seidio 3500mah battery in the old evo. After about a year of use, it's capacity dropped to about 70%. The phone went from being recharged every 2 days (with a good 55-60%+ remaining) to about 20-30% remaining after 2 days.
Unless technology has improved in the current batteries, I believe we'll see similar results.
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I'll just take it to Sprint and have them replace the battery. I have TEP.
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Most of us don't want to pay $60-$90 a year in case a $30 battery goes bad.
It's quite easy to take this phone apart to replace the battery. Just requires a Torx t5 bit and a small jeweler's philips. Really takes less than 5 min to disassemble and swap out the battery.
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Most of us don't want to pay $60-$90 a year in case a $30 battery goes bad.
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No, but it saved my ass when I dropped my phone and needed a replacement without paying full price.
HTC EVO 4G LTE "Battery"
The battery is a 2,000mAh lithium ion battery degrades if you use it or not, so use it and which has an average of 500 charges, but rarley mentions if it's protected! In previous posts I seen various time of life pertaining to the battery and I just want to say that it all depends if your a power user or not! If the battery is not protected the battery will not be stable and can explode and or recharge up to 1200 cycles and puts out the correct voltage 3.7v protected or not and a LiFePO4 can charge up to 2000 time, but only puts out 3.2 V so I have to say this is strange knowing these devices needs the extra voltage! The only way to go is a Lithium polymer battery which puts out the correct voltage and on average can charge around a 1000 cycles and seems to have less drain on the battery compared to others! Protected batteries conversate back and fourth with the charger to maintain stability, but also counts the amount of cycles which is around 500 cycles for "safety reasons" Everything is marketing! I've been screaming about this video posted above and on the HTC Forum and they've been rejecting the reply's because they obviously want to hide this information! People spend more than this on a mp3 player than what they offer for a trade in and this is the perfect mini tablet/phone! I hope third party companies make batteries for this phone! (((A little off course, but helpful is when your old power tools battery dies "nickel cadmium" you can shock it with twice the voltage by scraping the connection with the appropriate voltage and will burn the crystals off that stops it from charging because this battery has a memory!))) HTC put out a update recently that caused a issue with battery lose for the HTC EVO 4G LTE and it's all over the forum there! funny how this all goes hand in hand! Sorry for the long message, but sometimes helpful...
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Most of us don't want to pay $60-$90 a year in case a $30 battery goes bad.
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That'd be a valid argument if that were the only thing the TEP covered.
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I know that many people will tell me that with new batteries it doesnt matter, but I need to know anyway, because nobody seems to be really sure.
Think of this as a research.
When you buy a new phone, what do you do first: let it drain the initial battery charge or fully charge right out of the box?
How is your battery life (considering what you did)?
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I usually drain the initial charge
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I usually charge it and then drain in on the first use. It doesn't have an effect on the batteries, its more of a way to calibrate the device to its battery. But I don't really think it makes a huge difference. Your battery life early on is usually bad due to all the time you spend setting up a new deice.
http://techlife.samsung.com/tips-keep-smartphone-charged-1059.html
Charge Regularly
To get the most out of your smartphone's battery, you'll need to charge it properly. Most smartphones have a lithium-ion battery that lives longer when charged regularly. Unlike the nickel batteries used in older phones, lithium-ion batteries do best when kept above a 50 percent charge. Repeatedly allowing the battery to drain fully may shorten its life and decrease its overall capacity. If this happens, you'll need to charge the battery more frequently and it may last only a few hours before needing a charge, for example.
Your battery will also perform better if you don't let it charge to 100 percent, so take it off the charger at about 80 to 90 percent capacity. Leaving the phone connected to the charger when the phone is completely charged may lower battery life if you do it repeatedly.
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This is the ultimate battery charging explanation and guide:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
I always follow this. Installing AccuBattery app will help you with this.
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Wow I did not know any of this. I will be following this thanks for sharing.
how long is the battery lasting if you are only going down to 50 and up to 90?
Gees! Below 50% really. I would tend to agree somewhat. I never let my phone fall below 20% and usually charge until 97% more or less. But 90-50. I don't want to be walking around with a battery back. I need my phone to last all day and 40% of the battery just won't cut it.
Xuck that !! I have a 3000mah battery for a reason if it goes then it goes ill most likely have another phone by then.Not gonna sit here to nickel and dime my usage that's not why I got this phone .
GM makes the Li batteries last in the volt and bolt 10 years by not letting the car drain the batteries more than 2/3rds down, leaving the batteries at 1/3rd charge. Tesla does it too.
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Nah, I don't own my phones for more than a year so this doesn't apply to me. I'd rather keep using it from 100-1 just like I've been doing for years. I wouldn't be able to stand only getting an hour of use and charging it 3 times a day.
This battery information applies to all devices that use this type of battery be they Samsung or other brands. Its not just the Note 8. It applies equally to your Oral-B tooth brush! :laugh:
Ryland
this is a good habit to charge often at 50%. i usually let the battery run down to like 20% or less then charge. then when i have to go somewhere and i cant play with my phone anymore cus i worry i going to run down the battery.
Question are the "300-2500" charge cycles just as it says? I mean if I put it on the charger in the car for a 10 minute drive is that a cycle along with an overnight charge? If it is we should really only be putting it on the charger from the 50-90% with a guaranteed fast charge time of at least 30+mins to get the maximum charge cycles for the lifespan?
markwebb said:
This is the ultimate battery charging explanation and guide:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
I always follow this. Installing AccuBattery app will help you with this.
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This was a really well written down to earth article about battery care. Thank you. I still have friends, family, and coworkers that insist on running their batteries to 0%. I can't convince them otherwise. Although my batteries degrade, it's never been anything easy shattering. Just notice an hour or two shaved of over a couple years life. As the article states, there is no way around this and I won't be a slave to my battery. In that note, I top off when I can.
My battery on my old phone tended to get to around the 40% at the end fo the work day, then I'd plug it in usually around the 20-30% and it still lasted 2+ years 'til I got a new battery. Now it's about 50% at the end of the day. But with Fast Charge, what do they expect people to do, plug it in for an hour, then unplug it, then go to sleep, wake up with 60% battery, go to work and then charge it for an hour when you get there?
The lie of requiring a non replaceable battery for water proofing is also an issue. Forced obsolescence sucks....
slaapliedje said:
The lie of requiring a non replaceable battery for water proofing is also an issue. Forced obsolescence sucks....
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Too black and white.
It is possible to offer some water resistance to a mobile that has a removable battery, S5 for eg.
In general such water resistance is small and is often abused by the owner causing problems. Hardly any owner reads the instruction manual that outlines what ones device can and cannot do, what the IP rating means in REAL terms etc
"Forced obsolescence" mmmmm, a battery can be changed in the Note 8. I understand your point though.
Ryland
this has been around for years. Doesn't make it very convenient to use nothing below 50%! I'd need at least an 8000 mh battery!! Therefore Samsung IS using too small a batteries in its top of the range device!
bonerp said:
this guff has been around for years. Doesn't make it very convenient to use nothing below 50%! I'd need at least an 8000 mh battery!! Therefore Samsung IS using too smaller batteries in its top of the range device!
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Totaly agree......
We then have to ask 'ourselves' WHY! Who forced Mobile brands to make anorexic devices? WE DID. We wanted thin small large wide slim ...........we got it and now pay the price.
I personally don't care if the device is thicker with a larger battery, for me its not a problem. For so many size was a major issue so the manufacture's listened and came up with these ultra thin mobiles that are vulnerable to dropping and breaking etc. off topic.
I find it totally bizarre that we spend mega bucks on such devices only to find we are educated to use them on software that reduces said mobile to the performance of a phone costing 100€! I may add many posters where disappointed when the Note 8 didn't have a 4k screen! Can you imagine the battery issues then?
Now we read this Samsung article and find we would need to charge our mobile several times a day as well as run it on a vastly reduced software programme. In reality that article is saying the battery is only operating efficiently at 40% of its total capacity before we start to degrade its life! Its all so absurd. What are we doing here folks?
Only one answer to this, either drop the performance OR vastly improve battery technology and fast.
Ryland
I'm not sure how usefull this is for the new samsung phones though, as the release of the S8 Samsung improved the battery.
Samsung Mobile R&D VP Bookeun Oh told me, "I focused on maintaining the durability of the battery over the long term, over hundreds of charging cycles. For example, after approximately six months of normal usage, the battery in the S8 will outperform previous batteries. While most batteries hold about 80 percent of their charge after two years in usual cases, this battery should be capable of 95 percent of its original capacity."
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PC mag S8 review
I am sorry but i will use my phone all day and charge overnight. If you can't use past 50% what is the point???? My pixel xl i have had since day 1 and use all day everyday and charge overnight and noticed no real decrease in battery life except a little change with oreo!
Outdated info and not necessary.
0% on your device is still considerably above what is considered the bottom line cell voltage before excessive discharge detrimental affects capacity.
A lot of engineering has gone into these devices to squeeze every possible mAh out of the packs, have a decent life expectancy AND operate safely. There is no need to strive for certain numbers and forcibly change your usage habits. There may or may not be a demonstrably better result long term but honestly is it worth worrying about?
And for removable packs...
Forget it. That's a thing of the past.
If devices had battery life like the Skyrocket, sure I see the NEED for a swappable pack.
But not now.
Having a sealed device makes it feel solid and keeps intrusion protection intact.
Holding an older device in hand, it seems almost laughable today. It creaks and groans and feels super cheap in comparison like some dollar store toy!