LG buys webOS from HP for use in smart TVs - TouchPad General

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4027018/lg-buys-webos-smart-tv

Nice to know, but this doesn't belong in dev.

nfqa said:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4027018/lg-buys-webos-smart-tv
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Your thread title is misleading. LG didn't "buy" webOS. They merely purchased licenses to use it.

here is the summarized version from what I understand.
HP gets:
-The cloud service of webOS and the team that works on it
-they keep all the patents and lease them to LG
-and they are in charge of the app catalog and all webOS accounts
LG gets:
-webOS Source code and HP has to pay to use it
-the other half of the team
-will gain stewardship of open webOS and Enyo

This should be in General not development.

Moved...

did i miss something? shouldn't the question be... why? or the statement be... who cares? imo and in my experience, webOS sucks.
i do however like the fact that i can dual-boot into it if i need to on my touchpad.

akaja24 said:
did i miss something? shouldn't the question be... why? or the statement be... who cares? imo and in my experience, webOS sucks.
i do however like the fact that i can dual-boot into it if i need to on my touchpad.
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Well yeah, if you compare it to everything now. Back in 2009, I thought it was better than Android and iOS. webOS would have been bad ass if they would have continued it and it got more support.

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something to think about

google buys motorola.
motorola has webtop(ubuntu booted inside android)
google has chrome os(basically chrome, thats it)
stock webtop is just firefox
chrome os webtop?
just think about it
LOL
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jokersax11 said:
google buys motorola.
motorola has webtop(ubuntu booted inside android)
google has chrome os(basically chrome, thats it)
stock webtop is just firefox
chrome os webtop?
just think about it
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That would be pretty awesome.
jokersax11 said:
google buys motorola.
motorola has webtop(ubuntu booted inside android)
google has chrome os(basically chrome, thats it)
stock webtop is just firefox
chrome os webtop?
just think about it
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Oh God I hope not! The Jeddaks would start a war if they did! Cloud computing has a major drawback, you need the internet for it to work. Not to mention it is fairly limited. They would be better off to partner with Canonical and build a proper release for webtop capable phones.
I agree however, if it's goggles baby it could happen, and not just to motorola. This could be a later stepping stone to make android more appealing. Built in chrome os for docked android phones. While I wouldn't care for it, the general public might. Plus you did read about the chrome team creating a version of chrome for android. It wouldn't take much to later implement a large screen version with hdmi plugged in. They wouldn't have to make it chrome os to give us the same functionality.
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Oh God I hope not! The Jeddaks would start a war if they did! Cloud computing has a major drawback, you need the internet for it to work. Not to mention it is fairly limited. They would be better off to partner with Canonical and build a proper release for webtop capable phones.
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Chrome OS on outdated photon 4g
Ok so I have a new Galaxy S4 and a perfectly fine photon 4g that is collecting dust. I want to be able to use my photon 4g for only lapdock related content like surfing and such... The problem is, as many have seen, is once you hit 2.3.5 you are pretty much stuck. What I want to do is wipe the phone and put chrome OS on it as I only need lapdock functions to work and I don't care if it has a Sprint Radio or not. This way I can still use it with more current applications that webtop won't or can't support. Has anyone else thought of this idea or is it even possible? The hardware supports it, the screen is made for it and the battery life would be crazy for it as I have a bionic lapdock that works great for it.
Please let me know if I am crazy to even think to try this project as I am a new to posting on here...

[DISCUSSION] WebOS and Touchpad future

Hi everyone!
I already replied in some other posts about this, but I really think this topic deserves a new thread, because the things going on are truly interesting.
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
What surprises me most, is an answer the new CEO gave during an Interview, about the WebOS devices future:
"The question now before us is what do we do with webOS software and do we come back to market with webOS devices," Whitman said. "It obviously will not be the same device but it will be version 2.0."
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That 2.0 makes me sort of confused and curious at same time.
In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
I was just concerned about them using the TouchPad to revive their PC business. Aren't their PC's good enough on their own? Guess not. Whatever.
If the plan was to stop making the TP1 available to make way for the TouchPad2. That would make sense.
Course, with HP, it's just this:
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Or was, now with Meg Whitman on board, it's like this:
I think if there was ever a possibility to get more webOS into our hands, they hired the right woman for the job.
Sippolo said:
Hi everyone!
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
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In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
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Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
mshilly said:
Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
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Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
If that would be the case, I'd be really happy if things will be compatible with current TP, I'm not concerned about WebOS itself, but more about new portings on this hardwares.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
And despite the fact that it is one of the newer tablets, it is a new tablet!
The HP TouchPad was well received, it's one of few concerns was the hardware. Which isn't bad, it's just different.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
It could go either way. They could sell it, to which end who knows. Or they could keep it, to which end who knows. Or they can sell parts of it and keep parts of it, to which end who knows.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
Sippolo said:
Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
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Don't confuse "Touchpads" with "Tablets" yet to be developed. Meg used similar language when she spoke to the HP Employees back when the decision to keep PSG was announced. She indicated that for HP to stay in the Personal Computer Market they would have to have a tablet offering, but that it would address the business market, not the consumer market.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
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AMEN!!!!
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
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Yes there are updates, but it makes all the sense in the world. There is still a large division within HP that is working on WebOS and all of this is supposed to enhance the value of WebOS as they try to sell it to someone. HP would be stupid to just stop development and watch the value go completely to zero.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
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The Touchpad was a consumer play. There's no guessing about what happens next. Like I said before "normal" consumers only want one of two things, iOS or Android. It doesn't mean that either one of them are better than WebOS. When is the last time you saw a movie released on BetaMAX or even HD-DVD.
Don't get me wrong... I love my TP and I think WebOS has a lot of virtues, Apple and Google just had too big a head start and in an effort to differentiate themselves from the myriad of Android Tablets, HP took a shot at WebOS.
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DreamOWD said:
People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
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See my response to Sippolo
The HP TouchPad was well received, ...
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Only at firesale prices. Why the heck do you think HP killed it.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
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Yep. That's all good.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
HP touchpad n stuff
DreamOWD said:
HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
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google doesn't push tablets ......
tablets push google .
xD
srsly
another thing is why are people treating this device like a G1 or something.
It wouldn't make any sense for CM to not continue supporting the TP.
most of the hard work has been done, why would they stop now?
Not only that, but the TP has a large user base.
Just because you don't see 50,000 roms in the forums, doesn't meant it's dead.
Most are merely waiting for ICS to drop.
I know I am. I know a group of us are going to be working on getting ICS on the TP once source gets released.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
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And you're talking a person who owns an iPad, iPhone and a TouchPad, whoa! That's just impossible! Lol
The fat lady has not sung. The TouchPad tragicomedy is just filled with twists and turns and surprises around every corner. Until then, people are going to be doing what they've been doing: sitting in the dug out until the next play is made.
If there was a better tablet, I would have moved on a long time ago. But it's just too good to put down.
The tablet market needs tablets like the TouchPad or it will continue to get stale.
So, I would say there's a high possibility. I feel like the new HP is different from the old HP, Meg Whitman knows how to please.
But even if nothing happens, the TouchPad is perfectly fine as is. And ICS is gonna make it even better.
I really appreciate your replies!
I wish I could help somewhat developing an ICS port for the Touchpad, though I'm still too newbie on that (never done something different from re-compiling a new kernel for my smartphone).
I really hope community will continue to develop on this device, lots of ROM's are anyway pointless, the main things are stable releases of Android OSs!
At any rate, I'm still curious about WebOS future and HP next steps on this, so please share any news/opinion you got!
I got a TP anticipating an android port. Playing with webOS while waiting, I came to the decision that I prefered it to what I expected of android for the screen size. Since the CM alpha release, I haven't had reason to change my original opinion. Mind you, I run CM nightlies on my G2, 1.9hhz OC, etc. Android is great for phones, but unless ICS makes some very serious changes I think it can still lose marketshare to a better os.
The question is if HP will commit the right resources to a real try at the market or pull the same ***t a second time.
Sadly, the only thing I am really hoping to see would be Ubuntu with the Unity interface.
Sent from my very "non-stock" TP.

Poll : Do you want to run Android *within* WebOS as a card?

All,
As you might have seen in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1288155&page=17
The Chroid release never really got past 0.1 alpha and appears to have died..
Shame as I see a real need for this, like many others I really like WEBOS, its not perfect but works fine, battery life is AWESOME and the native touchpad apps are well writtern..
However with the general android cm7/miui progress/webos now opensourced Im not surprised some developers dont think this is a worthwhile project.. so i thought we simply need to convince a developer its a worthwhile project
Also perhaps maybe someone from opemmobile would contribute towards an opensource project? or themselves re-invigorate this, they originally planned a webos port... (see http://openmobileww.com/smartphone.php)
So to start with I thought Id start this POLL thread, if your interested vote, would you pay for it? $5-$10 sounds reasonable? or more?
Please keep this thread simply for the poll, for general chit chat use the original thread above.
edit : Just to be clear, Im not skilled enough to make this happen but I thought starting this thread, waiting to see the replies we should be able to rouse the interest of a "skilled" developer...
edit : This link is to OpenMobileWW who demo'd ACL on WebOS as a card and looked awesome http://news.mobileroundup.com/2012/01/ces-is-open-mobile-what-webos-has-been-waiting-for/
I'm definitely interested in such an app. I used a Palm Pre- for a couple of years and really learned to love WebOS. I constantly switch back between it and CM7 or one of its flavors depending upon what I want to do. I use WebOS for my email and work, but switch to CM7 for games and other apps. $10 is more than reasonable (I'd pay up to $50 but I think that's too high to sustain a market).
I'd be interested, and I'd be willing to pay $5, maybe $10 depending on how well it emulates within webOS.
Please delete this post, I missed the part about not posting in here. My apologies.
Krunk_Kracker said:
I'd be interested, and I'd be willing to pay $5, maybe $10 depending on how well it emulates within webOS.
Please delete this post, I missed the part about not posting in here. My apologies.
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No worries.
i like webos faar better than android.. new to both but no contest really..
the advantage for android is apps apps apps..
it would be great if there was any way that android could function as a card..
would android still have to boot up as a card or would it be instant like a webos
function..
the android os makes TP way more functional-- wireless non-hp printer support..
games.. on and on..
thanx
could you maybe be thinking about this backwards? What you actually want out of the android window is quickly getting to the android apps right? wouldn't it work faster to do what crackberry is doing and just making the android market work within the webos?
getting android apps working within WebOS is what we're after here,, not getting the Android OS working within WebOs.. thats different
I would definitely be interested, I like webos's smoothness but android has sooo many apps, I would prolly pitch in more than that , its a really good idea, and I think anybody can spare 10 bucks
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Yeh
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I voted for yes I would pay. I want to explain that a bit. I love XDA and the developers here are amazing. This lot can do things most users only imagine, and more often than not, for free.
On that note, I like WebOS too. Its smooth, little slow but intuitive. I cant find my way around an Ipad but 10 seconds on my touchpad, my very first WebOS device, I have wifi running and was bookmarking XDA. If Android ran smoothly in a card there would be no turning back.
I cant wait to see what happens, lets make it happen!
I love webOS so much more than Android but I'm running Android due to Netflix, etc.
#sentfrommycm7desirehd
Same here if I could I'd rather use WebOS than Android but I still have problems with things like YouTube being slow, and videos stutter, etc.
i'd pay for this
google music would be so good with this
Although I like both systems, I would like to see an effective Android app on a card. I have much more experience with Android but Webos just seems nicer to work with.
I would pay a reasonable price for this, $10-20 bucks.
Mike T
Is this running the android os in a card, or running android apps in a card?
Sent from my Legendary 2.2 infused device.
How much work would it be/how much would it be worth to get X11 working on android or to make surfaceflinger etc. work on webos?
I'm already invested in android, I wouldn't mind paying $10 or more to get android apps (or all of android, including apps) on webos. It'd be more sensible even than paying for SPBShell
How many touchpad users have stuck with webOS d'you reckon?
Well as good as X-ron/Cyanogen & MIUI are on the touchpad I still find WEBOS to be so much better as a tablet OS. Maybe it's just the ability to flick cards away just makes android seem a tad clunky at this point. So long as an Virtual Android isn't expensive I'd probably pay for it... unless ICS is amazing
Honestly my first intention for my touchpad was to root it with android. However, i find myself not even using android on it. I love the webOS interface soooooo much more than andorid, but I hate that it lack the apps. This is where my rooted nookCOLOR comes in. I can count the amount of time I have actually booted into android on the touchpad besides for setting it up to mirror my nookCOLOR settings.
I do like webos but I feel like its like a sexy chick wearing a chastity belt.. looks good but you can't do anything with it.. I don't think I've logged into webos once in the last 3 months.. there's no reason to. Android I s way more functional.. for me at least. Android in a card would take the chastity belt off this biatch.. :-D
Tapatalkin it from my Epic 3g Touch
antho_ie said:
Well as good as X-ron/Cyanogen & MIUI are on the touchpad I still find WEBOS to be so much better as a tablet OS. Maybe it's just the ability to flick cards away just makes android seem a tad clunky at this point. So long as an Virtual Android isn't expensive I'd probably pay for it... unless ICS is amazing
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What? As opposed to simply pressing home and not having to worry about the app anymore?

[ROM?] Windows 8 ARM. Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 Driver available!!

Hey folks.
Now with the Release of Windows 8 for ARM Device @ 15th of August we are quiet possible to port Win8 to our lovly Transformer Prime.
We only need a custom bootloader where you can select which partition you want to boot. Windows 8 for ARM takes around 4 - 5 GB HDD Space.
Now Nvidia has released the needed Drivers for the Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 platform.
Here are the link for Tegra 3.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._7a6ae94ede36a07b5eb9afd545b0a17267f3cb2f.cab
If we get hands on the ARM Version it is easy to include the cab with DISM.
Come on guys
Let the Windows 8 Porting begin!
PUSH
+1 COME ON GUYS :laugh:
No f****** way... I'd certainly donate to a dev that could do that.
Intelmaster90 said:
Hey folks.
Now with the Release of Windows 8 for ARM Device @ 15th of August we are quiet possible to port Win8 to our lovly Transformer Prime.
We only need a custom bootloader where you can select which partition you want to boot. Windows 8 for ARM takes around 4 - 5 GB HDD Space.
Now Nvidia has released the needed Drivers for the Tegra 2 & Tegra 3 platform.
Here are the link for Tegra 3.
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._7a6ae94ede36a07b5eb9afd545b0a17267f3cb2f.cab
If we get hands on the ARM Version it is easy to include the cab with DISM.
Come on guys
Let the Windows 8 Porting begin!
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I don't think so. This has been discussed in many topics. And in no way belongs in development and should be in general. Basically the answer is no, because Win 8 is going to require an encrypted bootloader built on specific devices. Porting most likely isn't going to happen.
OMG after the Jelly Bean multi threads, here is a new bone to bite...
Mods, help! Move that thread!
Striatum_bdr said:
OMG after the Jelly Bean multi threads, here is a new bone to bite...
Mods, help! Move that thread!
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boo f'in hoo.
(thank tha godz ur here to monitor progressssss.)
excuse someone for being happy about something possibly TFP related
(that has a life outside of their Droid).
nothing EVAR gets hacked when it comes to Droid or Prime
(that's why this forum doesn't really exist.....
and why JB won't ever come to the ATP).
amiright?!*#@!?
You aren't going to be able to acquire installable images of Windows 8 RT unless you are an OEM. August 15 is the Technet subs release.
And you sure as heck ain't going to be able to dd the bootloader off for the same reasons you can't now.
Not to mention the god awful hacks needed to get it to run on a device with less than min screen res, and obvious legal issues.
As for that linked driver release. It looks like ye olde nvidia unified driver architecture. It even includes the profiles for games that aren't even on the ARM platform. Not entirely sure why there is Tegra 2 support in there though.
Well, with the "so-called" security crap MS put into Windows regarding bootloaders... as @HydroSkillet said, unless someone manages to get a manufacturer signed, MS approved encrypted bootloader, changes are probably too slim to be considered...
One thing I learned here at xda is never accept the fact that a rom/port/app won't get created for our devices. We are blessed with outstanding devs.
Transmitted from my GALAXYSIII running Jelly Bean. XDA premium.
Since this is becoming more and more a discussion, I'll move it to General.
Diamondback said:
Since this is becoming more and more a discussion, I'll move it to General.
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EVEN if the port is technically feasible the legality of the port is at best sketchy and plainly put illegal. I hope after drinking the Android coolaid, you guys still remember that Windows is a proprietary OS. And on that grounds alone, I can bet that there is a snowball's chance in hell that that stuff will ever surface on XDA OR Rootzwiki.
In that light, there may be a popsicle's chance in hell that MS may do something to allow people to purchase a license and crap like that. Then may be if MS and the android devs or Asus can figure out a compromise and come up with a way to install it on the device with legally acquired software and a license then yes... But if you are SERIOUSLY expecting a port like an ICS/JB ROM, then I laugh at u! :laugh: LOL! It is M$ man! And u are asking for software piracy on XDA! lemme go and get a good laugh today! I needed it
End of Story. Good night!
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
tedr44 said:
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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Pretty much a long shot. [Side note: I don't claim closed source is in any way less ethical or demeaning or whatever than open source... It is another valid software development model and I kinda hate some type of FOSS enthusiasts who just plain trash Windows from their high horse...] Anyway, Bill Gates doesn't really run the company no more! He is busy doing activism and philanthropic pursuits (he is a very nice guy actually.. But I must say, not the best orator)...
What were we talking about? Oh yeah. Windows 8 on our Tablet.. I think for the benefit of all, I suppose it is best for a proper dev to step in and just say why this can never happen, so that we don't see people asking this again and again only to be utterly disappointed by the reality.
tedr44 said:
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
tedr44 said:
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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So you want them to open source software that they spent millions developing and are currently charging people to buy?
Do you live in some strange world where Microsoft actually does nice things?
If you want iOS , buy an iPad.
If you want W8, buy Surface.
There are ports of Win Mobile to other phones but I don't think it will happen with W8. It's called frontal perseveration, a neurological trouble that makes you repeat the same behavior even if it's inappopriate or aimless.
Widows phones are a failure, but instead of changing things they will go on further and harder by closing more and more, with more sophisticated protections/activation procedures and so on.
This thread is nonsense.
tedr44 said:
One possibility is for Google and the Android Community to issue a challenge for MS to open source W8. It's about time Bill changes his name to Prometheus.
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yea, while at it why not write to One Infinite Loop in Cupertino as well?
don't know if to LOL or CRY when reading posts like this
Look good news, hope is going be true and full compatibily :good:
Dnakaman said:
Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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The existence of Linux has very little to do with Windows being closed source.
The popularity of Linux however, does to some small extent.
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Dave
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Dnakaman said:
Isn't this the reason why Linux exists? Because Microsoft wanted to keep their OS closed source?
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Gnu/Linux exists for several reasons. Gnu is a materialization of Stallman's wish to have an open source OS, Linux is only the kernel part. It was historically a way to compile and use UNIX programs on PC computers.
It's true that it's a reaction to the world of Apple, windows, Sun (UNIX). But not specifically against Windows.
What is the most sad is that Apples took a UNIX bsd base, and made a now closed OS than Redmond's firm...

[Petition] Optimize your App! A List of Developer Petitions

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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
Petition List
===GAMES===
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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===APPS===
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
Instagram - Optimize Instagram for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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JasW said:
This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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JasW said:
This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
brees75 said:
No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Eztiban said:
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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brees75 said:
No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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CWalkop said:
I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
JasW said:
You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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Mannn121 said:
What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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Mannn121 said:
What's the address part for?
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
CWalkop said:
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
JasW said:
BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
lvnatic said:
Signed them all and subscribed to thread, will check daily to check for new petitions
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good:

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