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Please be courteous and tasteful in your responses to this thread. I only want to show support for our phone and spread the good word.
I'm pretty sickened by some of the reviewers on CNET for the Sprint Touch Pro (i'm sure they'll do it to the verizon version too). They're rating this phone half a star out of five just because they're in love with their iPhones. They clearly don't know a thing about Windows Mobile or Sprint and the bias is appalling. "This phone doesn't have 3g" & "Just another asian joke!!!!!!!!"" - quotes like these make me sick (don't judge me for calling these reviewers names, they asked for it and it's just my opinion). Apparently, they have no idea what EVDO rev A is and don't realize our phones had it before the iPhone even came out. It's also obvious these douche bags skewed the "has this review been useful" option that cnet has for their reviews. Before this phone started getting noticed by people outside of ppcgeeks/xda, the reviews on cnet were much more realistic. I know i shouldn't care, but it's obvious iPhone users are bitter for some reason. That being said, this means war. Touch Pro vs iPhone users (keep it classy guys).
Why do any of us rate any product on a website? To give an accurate review of the product we bought and tested, so that others can learn from our purchases. That way, those people can make a better decision on buying a product. This is what this thread is about. Take back the respect that HTC should be earning with this phone. If you disagree on making the reviews right, then you obviously don't get it. I'm not saying everyone should go out and give it 5 stars, but it should not be getting half a star by someone that's not even with sprint and doesn't know what evdo is. It's neat to own a unique piece of tech, but the higher the demand, the better our devices will get. If HTC devices were more popular, maybe we'd be sitting with a CDMA Touch Hd right now, instead of the Touch Pro. Who knows? Sprint may even stray from offering so many business phones, if they finally get the iPhone. Where will that leave us?
I say we band together and write positive reviews on CNET for this phone that we've come to love in a short time. It's obviously much better than our previous devices and shouldn't even come close to getting half a star! I mean, I love WM and don't like the iPhone, but i'd never give it a crappy rating like that. I ask that everyone who writes a review on cnet: to please, keep is clean and tasteful. We don't need to bash innocent iPhone users, we just need to give a true rating to silence these biased iPhoners. If you must, you could always just click "reply" on their review and tell them why you think they're just being biased (replies to reviews should be fair game because the original reviewers can defend themselves. Chances are they won't because they know it's a bs review in the first place).
Please go here and write a positive review, so people who aren't biased that are looking for a great business/customizable phone can rely on real feedback:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-touch-pro-sprint/4852-6452_7-33248637.html?tag=rnav
UPDATE: We've managed to add about 50+ to the amount of positive reviews at cnet thanks to ppcgeeks and xda members. I think it's safe to say that we are silencing those irrational applehead reviews. Thank you.
PPCGeeks thread: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44937
shame on them, the touch pro is by far the best windows mobile phone i've used to date. i'm going to write a review now.. thanks
I think your post worked.
I wouldn't worry too much.
It's obvious that all those iPhone users are so unhappy with their purchase that they're reading reviews on other products and already looking for an upgrade.
For those who has SERO, all you need to tell the iFone fanboys is: "BEAT THAT PRICE".
http://www.cnet.com/profile/phelony503/?tag=userReviews%3bsummaryList
THis phone would be my new wife lmao
HTC FTW
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THis phone would be my new wife lmao
HTC FTW
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that's hilarious
It's a shame that they can only rate htc devices 3 and a half stars at most. This phone has improved in multiple ways over past phones, but it still is not getting credit. I'll spread the word though.
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It's a shame that they can only rate htc devices 3 and a half stars at most. This phone has improved in multiple ways over past phones, but it still is not getting credit. I'll spread the word though.
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been spreading the word for some time now on the touch pro. it simply outclasses the iphone by leaps and bounds. the only thing that the iphone has is screen size, but i like the smaller size of my touch pro.
the iphone looks like a face shield when someone is using it.
only thing im siappointed about is smart dial.
ive gone from the xv6800 to htc pro and loving it..
i am also extremely surprised on how well sprint is working out for me because the coverage is fantastic. i had sprint in nyc and it was flawless, in syracuse according to many it's a serious issue and that information has turned out to be false. the service in syracuse is fantastic.
they dont even mention the card scanner which in my opinion is an incredible and extremely useful function on this device
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been spreading the word for some time now on the touch pro. it simply outclasses the iphone by leaps and bounds. the only thing that the iphone has is screen size, but i like the smaller size of my touch pro.
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I love my Touch Pro but one thing that's missing is the organized and clever way apps are available on the iPhone...the app store is a solid centralized front for finding apps and updating them, something I feel is really lacking for WM (and POS) phones. Sure, we have freewarepocketpc and pocketgear and (barf) Handango, but how easy is it to access one of those sites quickly from your device and see if there are any updates to your installed programs?
Of course, the app store isn't a perfect idea but it's a level of organization that I wish WM had. There are some really neat apps for the iphone that I wish we had for ours
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they dont even mention the card scanner which in my opinion is an incredible and extremely useful function on this device
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exactly! it's supposed to be the best business phone sprint has to offer... that's something that's useful in the business world and also something they should have reviewed in their vid/article. It's not in the vid, but they mentioned it by name only in page 2 of their review... Definitely should have told people more about it instead of just name dropping it.
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I love my Touch Pro but one thing that's missing is the organized and clever way apps are available on the iPhone...the app store is a solid centralized front for finding apps and updating them, something I feel is really lacking for WM (and POS) phones. Sure, we have freewarepocketpc and pocketgear and (barf) Handango, but how easy is it to access one of those sites quickly from your device and see if there are any updates to your installed programs?
Of course, the app store isn't a perfect idea but it's a level of organization that I wish WM had. There are some really neat apps for the iphone that I wish we had for ours
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doesn't sprint have a store accessible by the default PIE homepage? It's not as great but who cares... we have developer sites like xda and ppcgeeks...we get a lot of our apps for free they aren't governed by microsoft. We can also install these app right out of the box, we don't have to jailbreak our phones. Apple has too much of a strongarm on their phone, it can't be used to its full potential... people have to wait around for official fixes if their phone is acting up. We also had orb long before iPhone got it, that tells you how hard it is to get an app out for them. Do they even have access to slingbox mobile yet?
It's a great phone and all, but I'll stick with wm and my touch pro... can't beat the customization and wm community. While our phones are decked out with different interfaces, if you look at people with iPhones, they all look the same... how boring.
they're not in the same league
the touch pro has a keyboard, iphone is a slim and dandy device.
touch pro has more memory (even in verizon's config), more resolution, and more carriers out there, thanks to windows mobile.
it may not be as hip and iconic as the iphone but imho htc makes some quality phones and windows mobile is pretty rockin.
The attitude I have been seeing on my daily marketing blogs and newsletter feeds is all about the iPhone does this or that, I even replied to a statement that the iPhone will be the only mobile that does cut-n-paste, when I replied, he told me I was wrong, that ours was a very limited C-P, odd I just used it an hour ago and it worked fine.
In fact here is the post at Silicon Alley Insider:
http://www.businessinsider.com/dont-buy-a-smartphone-until-june-2009-4
The folks backing the iPhones remind me of the old Mac/PC forum wars of years ago, mine is better then yours crap.
I only wish I could get a better battery life and Sprint covered my house better
hexage, the makers of radiant hd, evac hd, and totemo hd released a new game today called robotek hd. im a huge fan of everything theyve made thus far and robotek hd is another killer game!
you got that right! ive been playing it nonstop
omg. i discovered this on my own from the suggestions on the web version of android market and can i just say...
best. game. ever. (i think)
everything about it is so frikkin cool!
My son loves this game. I haven't been able to pry the NOOK out of his hands all day!
only bad thing about the game is you cannot beat it without spending about 12 dollars on upgrades
You got this on the Android Market? Can't find it for my Evo. Ill try the NC tomorrow.
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addicted...
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You got this on the Android Market? Can't find it for my Evo. Ill try the NC tomorrow.
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Not finding it either (on my manualnootered nook). Market online says not compatible.
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Not finding it either (on my manualnootered nook). Market online says not compatible.
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im running cm7 - gb 2.3.4
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only bad thing about the game is you cannot beat it without spending about 12 dollars on upgrades
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I spent .99 in order to unlock the recharger node and now when I run out of charge just beat the recharger node for charge I currently have over 2000 charge and almost finished the game
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Not finding it either (on my manualnootered nook). Market online says not compatible.
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Dunno' why, but I couldn't find it when I searched "Robotek". A search for "Hexage Ltd" displayed all their games, however, including this one. I was able to download and install. I'm on CM7.
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Dunno' why, but I couldn't find it when I searched "Robotek". A search for "Hexage Ltd" displayed all their games, however, including this one. I was able to download and install. I'm on CM7.
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Tried that, got everything but Robotek.
Hexage's Robotek Cheats Big Time
Don't play this game. The AI cheats big time and gets all the impossibly lucky rolls. Its hack attack is uncannily accurate while yours is so weak. Total imbalance. You have to keep paying real money to win. Don't get suckered.
I have a pretty good strategy and its allowed me to beat the toughest nodes. I have not made any inapp purchases. If you look over the readme, it explains the AI and its occasional "cheating".
This game is very beatable without in-app purchases.
Just use Titanium backup and restore if you lose.
I have over 1000 charge points at level 12 because I'm batting a thousand using Titanium.
thanks luciferii, now I'm addicted
thinking of trying totemo next.
I dont know how a so repetitive game can be so addictive...
its just too fun!
I recently finished Robotek and was able to draw a good conclusion as to why it has so many bad reviews and accusations of cheating AI on the Android Market. The dev claims the AI is "damn good" in the FAQ, but it really isn't. I finished the game with about 6500 charge, no in-app purchases, and defeated the level 50 mainframe. Lost the occasional game, but can confidently say every loss was completely out of my control.
Robotek isn't rigged, which initially crossed my mind and almost made me quit as I ran low on charge. It was a fair assumption: this is far from my first or most complicated/difficult strategy game. I knew the rules and knew what to do, yet still managed strange and irritating losses. The problem was obvious: perfect rolls, which give a powerful unit/effect/attack plus an extra turn, occur far too frequently. This is the source of all the frustration that has led so many people to ***** and moan about the gameplay. As a turn-based strategy (albeit a simple one), no amount of skill can save you if the opponent continues getting free turns while you wait idly and get pummeled.
In the early game, the player has fairly low HP and a few perfect rolls on the AI's side can quickly kill you. In the late game, you can lose upwards of 200 HP from this common scenario and still recover for a comeback win. This would explain why newer players rushed to the Market to slam the game of cheating, while those who stuck it out said winning without paying was doable and not difficult.
If the dev would greatly decrease the chance percentages of perfect rolls, then the number of complaints would go down with it. I've angrily played through too many rounds where the AI got anywhere from 4 to 8 perfect rolls, while I had none. Cheating or not, this is very poor game design and it happens frequently enough to make any sane person want to quit in anger. I recall around level 15 playing one particular mainframe and losing to it with nearly all HP intact. I played it again, using the same exact strategy as before, and quickly won with full HP. Downright silly.
To be fair, I played a number of games where I was the one with "luck" on my side. It made the game no more enjoyable and really made it seem worse. I often took stock Droid and Drone up to Hero across several turns of careful strategy, making my way towards a sound victory.. only to be rewarded with a bunch of unnecessary perfect rolls that made the whole experience feel very cheap and easy.
The other main issue is the low level of control at the player's hands. I wouldn't suggest getting rid of the slot machine, since this is obviously a unique aspect of the game. I would suggest allowing a player to choose which unit attacks which. At the very least grant the player the ability to assign the attack order! Too often an Elite or Hero Droid wastes its powerful laser on a low-HP unit or shield when a stock Tankbot could've done the job. Or my units directing attacks at a harmless messed-up Tankbot while leaving a dangerous Drone alive to fight another turn.
I think all of this masks how weak the AI actually is and simply adds an unneeded layer of frustration, causing less-patient players to jump at the in-app purchases. I gave Robotek a 2-star rating when I thought the game was cheating, and left it at 2 stars when I came to realize its actual problems.
The suggestion that this game is not rigged is just utterly ridiculous, although I agree with much of the rest of the above post. It may just be that it takes some folks longer than others to see that. There is no debating whatsoever (with me, at least) that this is a classic pay-to-win setup. 'Pay-to-win' is synonymous with 'rigged-by-design'. Yes, it is possible to win a fair number of rounds without paying a dime, but especially in multiplayer mode, your ranking will never advance very far without paying, or without using a hack or cheat of some kind (like some of the folks using Titanium backup to reduce damages). If you do not pay (and no one should), the game will make sure that the odds are stacked heavily enough against you that your wins will be limited. In other words, Robotek IS rigged.
I find this entire pay-to-win model obnoxious at best, and downright creepy at worst. It also seems to me that a person has to be especially desperate, or just a pretty bad player, in order to even want to spend money to be better able to defeat one's robotic foes.
To me this whole approach is disingenuous, and I will personally never give Hexage a dime. I'm even mean enough to say that all I wish for them is bankruptcy. However, I gather it isn't just Hexage doing this. That is unfortunate, and a weakness of closed-source, for-profit apps and app stores. Such games take on the flavor of the arcade games that were mainly after a person's quarters. I read somewhere recently that this kind of thing may be the wave of the future. I certainly hope not.
In the past week or so we have seen a few reviews. It seems there are 2 sides to this subject. You either think the reviews are legit or they are bias against this phone for one reason or another. The fact of the matter is the people reviewing this phone are individuals they are expressing their personal opinions about this device. They may work for legit companies but this is a review from an individual. The only 100% truth coming from their mouths is the specs of the phone. The rest is just their personal opinion. So people come on form ur own opinion and don't go by what others say. Get ur hands on it play with it then form an educated decision to whether this phone will fit you. If you plan on not getting this phone let it be because u tried it and figured "hey its not for me" not because engadget said the camera sucks and 3d is a gimmick. Form ur own opinions.
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Agreed. Only thing that helps is watching a video where you can see their complaints yourself and decide if they are just being nit picky or there really is something to be worried about. So far everything that I have seen have been articles that you have to take with a grain of salt.
At least use your=ur and you=u....
Great now I added those in my dictionary....
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The only 100% truth coming from their mouths is the specs of the phone.
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Except in the Evo 3D's case, even HTC's spec sheet is incorrect. Some reviewers have been repeating HTC's specs on the video recording without verifying the capability.
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Except in the Evo 3D's case, even HTC's spec sheet is incorrect. Some reviewers have been repeating HTC's specs on the video recording without verifying the capability.
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All that needs to be known is that the MSM8660 is capable of encoding and decoding video up to 1080p.
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That's fine, but I turn to professional reviewers for information that I can't get myself (easily) with the phone in hand.
I want a review to give me information of battery testing, reception, connectivity, fps on video recording, bleed or blurring on photos, or any number of other quantitative measures that are highly impractical for me to test either in store or in a short amount of time in home after purchasing, particularly in a controlled way. I have neither the time, tools, or (sometimes) technical expertise to execute this kind of testing. That is what I want from reviews -- good, solid, empirical, quantitative data that I can use to supplement my current knowledge.
I already knew, with reasonable certainty, that the screen is sharper than GSG2, but not as vibrant or good in the sun. This has been a given for a long time. I already knew that the 3D display would have a good chance of giving me headaches after prolonged use. I already knew that the spinny carousel was neat looking. I, really, already knew most of what they were going to say in a cursory review. And, with limited testing, I knew that some "reviewers" would have good reception/call quality and some would not. That's the nature of wireless communications in an uncontrolled environment.
I don't want their opinion, I want their data. If the data looks valid, then I'll consider their interpretations.
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That's fine, but I turn to professional reviewers for information that I can't get myself (easily) with the phone in hand.
I want a review to give me information of battery testing, reception, connectivity, fps on video recording, bleed or blurring on photos, or any number of other quantitative measures that are highly impractical for me to test either in store or in a short amount of time in home after purchasing, particularly in a controlled way. I have neither the time, tools, or (sometimes) technical expertise to execute this kind of testing. That is what I want from reviews -- good, solid, empirical, quantitative data that I can use to supplement my current knowledge.
I already knew, with reasonable certainty, that the screen is sharper than GSG2, but not as vibrant or good in the sun. This has been a given for a long time. I already knew that the 3D display would have a good chance of giving me headaches after prolonged use. I already knew that the spinny carousel was neat looking. I, really, already knew most of what they were going to say in a cursory review. And, with limited testing, I knew that some "reviewers" would have good reception/call quality and some would not. That's the nature of wireless communications in an uncontrolled environment.
I don't want their opinion, I want their data. If the data looks valid, then I'll consider their interpretations.
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I prefer to not let one's opinion influence my decision. There has been countless times when I've loved something that others didn't approve of. To each their own.
I agree though, there wasn't much data in the reviews.
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I simply want a faster phone. I could care less about 3d..
gimme speed. strip the bloatware and keep it simple.. speed speed speed this will have indeed.. the QHD is a step up from the 4G.. thats all i need.
Getting the phone. Devs hack at it.. im with ya!
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I simply want a faster phone. I could care less about 3d..
gimme speed. strip the bloatware and keep it simple.. speed speed speed this will have indeed.. the QHD is a step up from the 4G.. thats all i need.
Getting the phone. Devs hack at it.. im with ya!
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Given the MSM8660 and the Adreno 220, you will have a very fast phone.
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I prefer to not let one's opinion influence my decision. There has been countless times when I've loved something that others didn't approve of. To each their own.
I agree though, there wasn't much data in the reviews.
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I'm not saying I look at reviews for the approval.
If it's well collected data, it is not opinion. That data leads to an informed decision. Anything else, including handling in store is lesser. In store, conditions are often optimized for your "first experience" -- lighting, signal, etc. You can see if something is bad in the store, you cannot necessarily see if something is good.
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I'm not saying I look at reviews for the approval.
If it's well collected data, it is not opinion. That data leads to an informed decision. Anything else, including handling in store is lesser. In store, conditions are often optimized for your "first experience" -- lighting, signal, etc. You can see if something is bad in the store, you cannot necessarily see if something is good.
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Guess we shouldn't consider photo or video samples, reports of signal strength from those who have an Evo to compare with? It shouldn't matter that if shoots 720p when it was advertised as 1080p?
When people tell me the Cubs suck, I always say "That's your opinion." Standings don't matter. Right?
One thing I noticed while watching all the reviews was tje great media playback and the spiderman demo is a game that our 4gs couldn't get past the loading screen
Giving us specs and verifiable data is totally different if they did that there would be no discussion on whether these "reviews" are bias or not. Telling us "sensation did better in this or that area" without data to back it up is an opinion. The claims of other phones doing better its what I have a problem with cause that is a personal opinion not data. I also have a problem with the reviewers comparing the phones camera to other phones that are not 3d. If u are gonna compare 2 things u need #1 data and #2 they must be the same type of item. Thats like comparing tablets to laptops. Its the the same this the opinion is useless
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Ok, now you're just being silly. Enjoy your phone, kid.
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There has been countless times when I've loved something that others didn't approve of.
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thats what HE said
no i totally agree, but honestly these companies are sending these blog sites phones to give real reviews, and most of the time that isn't what happens
I dont see what's do hard to believe about the bias in these reviews. Lets say you just dont like 3d technology or you are one of those people that have a hard time viewing it. I personally feel these people have a natural bias against anything 3d and cannot fairly judge something with 3d technology. I also feel some of the reviews we have seen have been a victim of this bias. I feel that way cause I notice an overwhelming concentration on the 3d aspect of the phone and lack of concentration on what they normally review in phones. I feel for an honest review of this phone the 3d switch needs to be left alone other phones dont have this feature yet so there is no way to honestly compare or honestly understand the quality.
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I dont see what's do hard to believe about the bias in these reviews. Lets say you just dont like 3d technology or you are one of those people that have a hard time viewing it. I personally feel these people have a natural bias against anything 3d and cannot fairly judge something with 3d technology. I also feel some of the reviews we have seen have been a victim of this bias. I feel that way cause I notice an overwhelming concentration on the 3d aspect of the phone and lack of concentration on what they normally review in phones. I feel for an honest review of this phone the 3d switch needs to be left alone other phones dont have this feature yet so there is no way to honestly compare or honestly understand the quality.
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It also seems like those reviewers who are willing to play with the phone a bit, adjust view distance and angles, etc. find the 3D to be quite impressive and even comfortable. Those that flip it on and expect 3D like you'd get from modern glasses-type 3D from any angle speak much more negatively.
Name your pros and cons for having each. I'm deciding whether to get this or the 4S. Obviously you're on here cuz you probably have the GS2, so I'm expecting some good pros! But I also want to be aware of things I might miss or run into. This is probably easier for people who've had an iPhone in the past, but really, you can participate either way.
Edit: I'm also really concerned about battery life. What kind of battery life do you get? How long does it go without a charge, and what kind of screen-on time do you get? And how does this compare to the battery life of your past iPhone (if you've owned one)?
my gf has the 4s i have the gs2. her phone is tiny, its really disappointing to use. I used to own an iphone 4 and was very pleased with the os, now though whenever i hold one i get sad because there's so much goodness being spoiled by that small screen.
anyway, on to the part that matters to you: battery life.
This one really varies, when i first got the gs2 and android i would get about the same battery life as her 4s but i was a noob and had all sorts of background data going and wasting battery. Since i've downloaded juice defender ultimate and set it up correctly, i get about 24 hours or more out of the phone b4 needing to charge.
Go with the gs2.
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my gf has the 4s i have the gs2. her phone is tiny, its really disappointing to use. I used to own an iphone 4 and was very pleased with the os, now though whenever i hold one i get sad because there's so much goodness being spoiled by that small screen.
anyway, on to the part that matters to you: battery life.
This one really varies, when i first got the gs2 and android i would get about the same battery life as her 4s but i was a noob and had all sorts of background data going and wasting battery. Since i've downloaded juice defender ultimate and set it up correctly, i get about 24 hours or more out of the phone b4 needing to charge.
Go with the gs2.
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24 hours? That's sweet. How much do you use the phone during that time? Heavy or moderate user?
the only thing that iphone wins in is the connectivity with a mac (ical, address book, itunes) i know there are apps for this and while they are good, they dont match the easiness (IMO)
I was an Iphone user since the 2007 when it first came out. I have had everyone one of them since. I just switched to the SG2 from my 4S and I absolutely love this phone. Yeah, the Iphone has a polished OS, but I had to jailbreak it to use any of the better functions.
I rooted and put a rom on this puppy and I get 48 hrs of battery life moderate use. If I go heavy I can easily get 24 hrs...
i have the skyrocket now and i'm really disappointed with it. longtime 3gs user and android is definitely less polished with many more force closes than ios. another thing is that you're always worried about whether or not an app is poorly written and just spinning in the background. i don't have energy to deal with such things- when i download an app (words with friends or facebook are two really good examples on android vs. iphone) i just want it to work and not screw up my phone. yes, i know there are other apps other than words with friends but everyone i know uses words with friends and i don't think i could convince everyone to switch over just to play with me.
that said, yes you can do a lot more but you really have to mess with all the settings to get them just right. and even then the battery life is awful.
i'm a med student so i spend long hours studying and listening to music on my phone. with my 3gs i could easily get through a 12+ hour study session listening to music the whole time with frequent browsing to look up drugs, diseases, etc.
yesterday i was in the library for a little more than 10 hours with my skyrocket (on wifi the whole time) and it was at 10% when i left whereas the 3gs would be 50%+
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i have the skyrocket now and i'm really disappointed with it. longtime 3gs user and android is definitely less polished with many more force closes than ios. another thing is that you're always worried about whether or not an app is poorly written and just spinning in the background. i don't have energy to deal with such things- when i download an app (words with friends or facebook are two really good examples on android vs. iphone) i just want it to work and not screw up my phone. yes, i know there are other apps other than words with friends but everyone i know uses words with friends and i don't think i could convince everyone to switch over just to play with me.
that said, yes you can do a lot more but you really have to mess with all the settings to get them just right. and even then the battery life is awful.
i'm a med student so i spend long hours studying and listening to music on my phone. with my 3gs i could easily get through a 12+ hour study session listening to music the whole time with frequent browsing to look up drugs, diseases, etc.
yesterday i was in the library for a little more than 10 hours with my skyrocket (on wifi the whole time) and it was at 10% when i left whereas the 3gs would be 50%+
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The skyrocket has much lower battery life than the Galaxy S II because of the 4g. I usually get a whole days worth of usage out of mine (14+) by the end of the night with about 2-3 hours of screen on time and still have about 40-50% battery left.
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I had an iPhone 4, before 3gs and 3g.
I hated having to wait for jailbreaks to use some features.
Hated Itunes with a passion.
The OS felt boring without jailbreaks.
Bluetooth is closed to share files, songs with other people.
Can't use it as a mass storage device, everything from pc have to go through itunes.
Means you can't copy files directly from other pc, have to rely on third party apps like dropbox which sucks for big files.
Only thing I miss is Activator, which is a jailbreak tweak.
I'm going to attempt a different approach here....
You need to ask yourself what type of user you are. Either a tech/geek/hacker (whatever you want to call it) or someone I would call a general user. By general user I don't mean light phone user. I mean somebody who doesn't want to monkey with settings/themes/roms/kernels etc. The tech user will probably always pick the android over the iphone for its ability to be modded. The iphone is good because you don't have to think about it. Let Apple do all the worrying for you and just use it.
This is not to say that the GS2 is not a great device for a general user, or that an iPhone is not a great device for a techy, but they both shine in different ways. Take a look through the themes section and check out some screen shots of the GS2. Look at all the different ways you can make it personal. The iphone (non jailbroken) will always look pretty close to everybody else.
To answer your battery question though, I easily get 24hrs with moderate to heavy use (caveat: I run an app called tasker that helps with battery saving. Great app).
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I'm going to attempt a different approach here....
You need to ask yourself what type of user you are. Either a tech/geek/hacker (whatever you want to call it) or someone I would call a general user. By general user I don't mean light phone user. I mean somebody who doesn't want to monkey with settings/themes/roms/kernels etc. The tech user will probably always pick the android over the iphone for its ability to be modded. The iphone is good because you don't have to think about it. Let Apple do all the worrying for you and just use it.
This is not to say that the GS2 is not a great device for a general user, or that an iPhone is not a great device for a techy, but they both shine in different ways. Take a look through the themes section and check out some screen shots of the GS2. Look at all the different ways you can make it personal. The iphone (non jailbroken) will always look pretty close to everybody else.
To answer your battery question though, I easily get 24hrs with moderate to heavy use (caveat: I run an app called tasker that helps with battery saving. Great app).
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I agree with you about what kind of user you are. The iPhone is meant for certain people while android is meant for others. It really comes down to what you want from your phone. If you like the freedom of changing every little thing about your phone then go with the Galaxy S II. If you like something that you don't have to mess with much and still have a good user experience, get the iPhone.
I say go gs2. Better community, xda is awesome. More customizable stuff...and androids eat apples.
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Pretty much just echoing what has already been said, but I switched from the 4 and while it was a beautiful piece of hardware, I had so many headaches dealing with Apple's restrictions. I'm not much of a widget guy and keep just one homescreen with almost nothing running in the background and get amazing battery life, certainly just as good as the 4 if not better (flashing UnNamed helped as well, but not necessary).
This phone is lightning quick, feels great in the hand and I just can't imagine going back.
Agree with Geremy.. used a 3GS before, then an Aria, now the SGS2..
How you approach using the phone is the key decision point.
As to battery life,the SGS2 is pretty good for an android phone. On a light-use day (some email, 20 minutes of newsreaders, about an hour of music...I can go 14-15 hours. On a heavy use day, extensive emailing, web browsing for a hours, navigating in car, music while working, phone calls,I will get about 8 hours. BUT I always carry a backup battery, so I don't pay much attention to that issue.. on a heavy day,I will switch batteries at about 4 pm and use the phone until the end of the day... just start charging when I go to sleep, meantime, the second battery is charging in the external charger... the next day,I am ready for either situation.
(actually I have 3rd battery for when I am traveling an don't know how much I will use the phone, or when/ where I will be able to charge it again..).
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GeremyHamlett said:
I'm going to attempt a different approach here....
You need to ask yourself what type of user you are. Either a tech/geek/hacker (whatever you want to call it) or someone I would call a general user. By general user I don't mean light phone user. I mean somebody who doesn't want to monkey with settings/themes/roms/kernels etc. The tech user will probably always pick the android over the iphone for its ability to be modded. The iphone is good because you don't have to think about it. Let Apple do all the worrying for you and just use it.
This is not to say that the GS2 is not a great device for a general user, or that an iPhone is not a great device for a techy, but they both shine in different ways. Take a look through the themes section and check out some screen shots of the GS2. Look at all the different ways you can make it personal. The iphone (non jailbroken) will always look pretty close to everybody else.
To answer your battery question though, I easily get 24hrs with moderate to heavy use (caveat: I run an app called tasker that helps with battery saving. Great app).
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I would have to agree with this whole-heartedly. The other main difference are the apps that are available and how well they are written. I fall as someone who is a techy but isn't too much for visual customization. I don't mind the phone looking the same as others, but do like tinkering with the internal processes from time to time.
I used iphone 3gs, 4 and am using ASGS2 now.
iphone +s.
As apple is manufacturer of phone + OS, they know the things inside out and fix the bugs easily and quickly.
Your iphone is guaranteed for at least 2 to 3 future iOS releases though some functions may not work with new releases.
I like Iphone Keyboard a lot, the accuracy of letters while you type in is excellent, with same speed of typing I make a lot of typos on ASGS2, I somehow managed to get nicer typing with help of "Go keyboard (free)" on ASGS2, my sincere thanks to "Go keyboard" Team!
Quality of hardware and resale-able on ebay! your return on investment works!
ASGS2 +s.
Bigger Screen/Display.
Open source, apps from 3rd party like Amazon apps store, support from forums like xda.
Easily unlock-able/ root-able.
More customizable than iphone due to big community of freelancers as you see on xda!! Hats off to them.
Flash videos works here, not on iphone!
I just came from a 3gs. From a core perspective, i.e, web, email, browsing, facebook, twitter, etc. it's pretty much the same. Lots of different options, way more control.
My recommendation is that you go into the store and spend a few hours over a few days playing with the devices. It's hard to get an true feeling of things but it will at least get you more time with Android.
Apple makes a nice product, iOS is solid. But for me the screen size on the 4s screwed the pooch. I'm older (42), and frankly was sick of the smaller screen.
My decision came down to two points:
1) Could I two way sync with icloud calendars (entire house is apple).
2) How much of a pain would it be to get Apple Address Book Contacts into Google
3) How much of a pain would it be to get/sync itunes to it?
Subjective:
4) Would I like Android.
Answers:
1) Smooth Sync for Cloud Calendars - perfect two way sync.
2) Export to vCard - Import to Google. Easy.
3) Doubletwist with Airsync - works like a charm. Installed doubletwist on device and imac, airsync on device and bam! Wireless sync of itunes to GS2.
4) This is the hardest one for you to answer. As a long time apple user I found myself so ingrained with how things looked with Apple that some things were an initial shock. Not that they didn't work, but because the look a little different etc.
I think most has been covered here already but+ 1 if you like to SET UP EVERYTHING the way YOU LIKE IT AND WANT IT TO WORK then OGSGS2. I have never and will never use a iPhone because I like to tinker with my phone to it's Max. And as far as battery life it is pretty darn good. I would say I am a pretty heavy user also.
The area where it levels out is while I was sleeping fyi and forgot to plug it in.
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I would say that I agree with everyone here so far. I really want to like android- I'm a techy nerdy kind of guy. I would never buy a Mac because I know I can build my own desktop with the same components for half the price and dual-boot hackintosh it if i really wanted the OS (which i don't). I only bought the first original iphone because I could unlock it and use it on my ridiculously cheap grandfathered T-mobile plan at the time (when there wasn't 3g). This was far before the days of untethered jailbreaking and unlocking so it was pretty involved and quite scary because it was fairly easy to brick the phone from my understanding. And I only got the 3gs because android was really unrefined at that point and ATT had no good offerings.
But at the same time my life has gotten busier and busier so I have less time to mess around with different ROMs of varying stabilities and worrying about whether or not that new app I installed is sucking up all of my battery in the background. Or having to unroot the phone before taking it in for any warranty issues. Maybe I'm getting old, grumpy, or work is ruining my life- I'm not sure which one it is haha.
I will say the one feature I LOVE about my SR though is that 4.5 inch screen. I know it has terrible pixel density and all that stuff but I love how big everything is- it's so much easier on the eyes. I also really like the ability to add widgets to the homescreen and that the customization options are there (but something I don't really care for).
But at the same time I think it's the little things where Apple has really outdone everyone. For one thing, the scrolling on the stock web browser is jumpy and I find that using the headphone remote to double click to skip the song is blah. For some reason (as I mentioned before) Samsung also thinks that nobody cares about bluetooth headset voice dialing and left it out of this phone. Also, you can't change the auto-brightness settings at all and the stock settings are horrific. Yes I know there are 3rd party apps for all of these things but then you're introducing another variable which you then have to worry about if it's sucking up all of your battery in the background (in my experience I found both the Dolphin and Opera web browsers to use significantly more processor time than the stock web browser)
Also, yes having a removable battery is awesome and theoretically easy to switch throughout the day but I have the Otterbox Defender on my SR which is definitely not a case you want to be taking apart and putting back together all the time. All of the other cases for the phone (and I'm a clumsy person so I definitely need a case) don't seem much easier to take on and off as well.
Oh well, maybe with ICS Android will smooth out the edges and developers will stop writing crappy code to allow for all sorts of rogue apps....
I had the S2 for about 3 weeks and then returned it to get my wife an iPhone 4s. I currently use my Captivate. I hate Apple with a passion, but I will say the iPhone is just soo polished! If you dont want to hack anything it really is a great phone (minus flash) and battery life is better than ANY Android phone. My wife gets 3 days of life per charge easily. She doesnt have push email but she does use it.
My S2 only got me a day of battery life (push enabled). For me I would stay Android (i love the customizing) but if battery life is a big concern there is no doubt Apple as Android beat. Thats my 2 cents.
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If you want great battery life, go use an old 3310 Nokia phone.
Apple has an advantage that android will never have:
- There's no so many HW configs to program for. As a programmer imagine my headache when thinking to program for android, so many HW configs, diferent performances, diferent screen resolutions, etc. (I never did anything in android I'm just philosophizing)
And so, that's a disadvantage too:
- There's no choises for the costumer, which is bad, because it's a monopoly of prices (we clearly see that). Their secrecy and info manipulation is epic. To keep the sheeps hungry and feeding.
In the end, their performances will be higher, apps more optimized, etc. all with less efford and all with more profits because of their monopolys
. Now tell me, who gives a damn? Do you like your nexus 7 (or future nexus 10)? isn't that lovely sexy thing a relief to have spent your hard earned money in a very very very fair price?
HELL YEAH. No benchmark can match that, paying what is fair to a company that we all adore.
I effin love Google.
It would be hard to live without Google.
I completely agree. Every tech site will always give Apple products higher review scores than Android products. And who cares? Every day I am reminded how brilliant android is, and any review or score won't change my mind.
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Please post in one of the existing review/opinion threads.
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