Hi friends Flyer users,
i am planing to go on Hollidays to Florida - Miami and ofc taking mine Flyer with me lol.
Question is will GPS work (i live in Europe)? I seen some diferent files to be flashed depending on where u live for GPS lock. Cant find the post atm thow.
Also for posible recomendation - any good pre paid sim cards (dont need data plan just talks for me and mine wife so we can easy talk to each other when we are there)
Many thx!
Maybe try the app faster fix. With regards to sim I cant help I am in New York.
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jprednik said:
Question is will GPS work (i live in Europe)? I seen some diferent files to be flashed depending on where u live for GPS lock. Cant find the post atm thow.
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GPS files just allow for faster initial lock. It should work fine without. It might take a minute or 2 to get an initial lock once you first get here (not unusual when you make a big locational change while the GPS is off).
Keep in mind that GPS only supplies latitude, longitude and (approximate) elevation data. Maps, directions, etc. come from a mapping or navigation software (but people sometimes use the term "GPS" interchangeably with map/navigation software, which is confusing). For instance, with Google Maps you will either need to cache the map sections you will be using, or need to have an active data connection to stream the map data. Of course, if you have purchased 3rd party navigation software where the maps are stored on the SD card, then that is not an issue.
Have never used a pre-paid SIM in the states. So my experience is limited to my knowledge of the post-paid accounts (contract) in the US. AT&T and T-Mobile are the major GSM carriers in the US, with a variety of smaller "regional" carriers that typically just purchase bandwidth from AT&T or T-Mobile. I believe AT&T blocks the use tablets as voice call devices (on the cell network, internet call solutions such as Skype work fine), so T-Mobile (or a regional carrier that uses T-Mob's network) may be your best bet. I think T-Mobile supports voice on tablets, but I'm not sure of that.
Of course, your tablet will need to be SIM-unlocked.
jprednik said:
Hi friends Flyer users,
i am planing to go on Hollidays to Florida - Miami and ofc taking mine Flyer with me lol.
Question is will GPS work (i live in Europe)? I seen some diferent files to be flashed depending on where u live for GPS lock. Cant find the post atm thow.
Also for posible recomendation - any good pre paid sim cards (dont need data plan just talks for me and mine wife so we can easy talk to each other when we are there)
Many thx!
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Hi jprednik,
What you're going to want to do is modify your GPS.conf (this can be done with a market app). This file essentially tells the device what GPS maps server to use for faster locks. There are several servers for north america. I would download an app that allows you to switch those servers, or if you're brave enough (it's really not difficult, it's a text file) you can edit the server list yourself. You may want to verify that there are no GPS configuration settings in your build.prop too. You can pull the GPS server settings straight from the US Galaxy nexus system dumps if you want. That will give you the proper address google uses for GPS servers. Hope you enjoy Florida, from a Virginian.
Oh and as for prepaid...I think, don't quote me on this, you'll have good luck with StraightTalk wireless. They use AT&T bands, the largest GSM network in the US. Hope this helps!
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Oh and as for prepaid...I think, don't quote me on this, you'll have good luck with StraightTalk wireless. They use AT&T bands, the largest GSM network in the US. Hope this helps!
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As far as I know, AT&T does not allow voice calls on tablets. You might be able to get it to work by modifying build.prop or some other mod. But out of the box, I don't think it will.
Straight Talk gives you the option of picking either the AT&T SIM or a T-Mobile SIM. So Straight Talk may still be a good option. Lots of folks here seem to like the service, with reasonable prices, and widely available at Walmart stores (which are quite common in many places in the US).
Thx for the info.
To sum it up: if i leave mine flyer as it is, ill be able to get GPS lock in States. I ofc have igo app and maps instaled for states. It will onlly take a bit longer to aquire the satelites. I can modify Flyer in order to get faster lock.
Secondly; there are pre paid sim card posibilities (i got some info there r non).
Thats great news, tyvm.
jprednik said:
To sum it up: if i leave mine flyer as it is, ill be able to get GPS lock in States. I ofc have igo app and maps instaled for states. It will onlly take a bit longer to aquire the satelites. I can modify Flyer in order to get faster lock.
Secondly; there are pre paid sim card posibilities (i got some info there r non).
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I'd say that's a pretty good summary. I've taken my Flyer and also my HTC phone (One X) to various locations in Europe and Middle East, and never had any issue with GPS getting a lock, and never flashed any extra files.
Initial GPS lock may take a couple minutes when you first arrive in the US, as I mentioned. Its just the GPS system having trouble resolving what part of the world you are in, if it has changed drastically while the GPS is off. Ensure you have a clear view of a majority of the sky, and just let the GPS do its thing for a few minutes, and you should be fine. Then every time you use the GPS after that, the lock should happen much faster (10-20 sec). Being connected to a WiFi network may also help get that initial lock much faster (not sure if igo can read you location from WiFi networks, but Google Maps will).
Prepaid SIMs are certainly available. But just not as convenient or widespread as other parts of the world. And may also be a bit more expensive than you are used to. Its just the way the telcom industry works in the US. I've been to lots of places in Europe and Asia, where you can just walk up to a telcom vendor in the airport once you arrive. Its not like that in the US. You will have to go to a T-Mobile, or similar cell phone retail location. Or go to a Walmart store, and go to the cell phone department and ask about Straight Talk. Either way is pretty common, just not as widespread as getting a prepaid SIM in some other parts of the world.
Also keep in mind that 2 of the major cell carriers in the US (Sprint and Verizon, as well as a number of smaller "regional" carrier) don't even operate on GSM (they use CDMA), so cell phone stores (and networks) will be useless to you.
jprednik said:
Thx for the info.
To sum it up: if i leave mine flyer as it is, ill be able to get GPS lock in States. I ofc have igo app and maps instaled for states. It will onlly take a bit longer to aquire the satelites. I can modify Flyer in order to get faster lock.
Secondly; there are pre paid sim card posibilities (i got some info there r non).
Thats great news, tyvm.
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T-Mobile doesn't care what device you're using on a pre-paid SIM. You'll even get HSPA speeds depending on the coverage. I have a 3g Flyer on a T-Mobile prepaid SIM and I've not run into anything I cant do that works properly on a regular SIM-based phone. I'm running LeeDroid GB ROM, by the by.
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T-Mobile doesn't care what device you're using on a pre-paid SIM. You'll even get HSPA speeds depending on the coverage. I have a 3g Flyer on a T-Mobile prepaid SIM and I've not run into anything I cant do that works properly on a regular SIM-based phone.
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Good info. One thing to note, however: HSPA speeds will only be obtained if the device is compatible with the AWS 3G band; or on the 1900 Mhz band in select markets (since those are the bands that the T-Mobile HSPA network functions on). Otherwise, the OP will only have EDGE speed. But it sounds like he just wants to use it for GSM voice calls, anyway.
Many thx to all. Yes realy voice calls will be priority i am sure ill be able to find some opened wifis in Miami for conection to the data world. And yea gps comes in hqndy when u try to find things.
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Why ASUS didn't include 3G into this tablet, nowdays thats like a must thing to do... with that would be perfect tablet!
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too. So That could be part of it. Also until they have a shared data plan, cause who wants to pay for 2 data plans, i don't see my self paying for 3g even if it had the radio to do it.
However, for business use i would like one with 3g in it. Since i wouldn't trust people to know how to tether much less have a phone that can tether. So in this case simpler is much better. So for business use i will need to look at a different product which makes me sad. and if the treasurer for our non-profit has her way it will be a ipad ... which makes me very very sad. So a 3G model would have been awesome as well.
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
Sprint might be getting it if you look at their CES invite the folds look just like that origami screen cover!
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
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I'm not the best source about this information, so please excuse me if I'm wrong. But I thought that most 3G were on similar frequencies, and therefore it would be easy to make a 3G antenna which could communicate on all of them. The reason why I ask, is that I had a T-Mobile Android phone and brought it to the UK a few months ago, and can use it on any network here (since it's unlocked), and only have to change the network operators (or something like that, I can't exactly recall) info so it connects to the right towers. And it works perfectly fine. If I can do that with a crappy old Android phone, why couldn't it be done with Transformer?
But on the whole, I agree with you. It's so much cheaper to buy a tethering plan for most phones than it would be to give it its own 3G service, that for most people just doing a wireless hotspot with their phone would make more sense. But it's still a legitimate question for some people
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
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I know that Archos uses a dongle that slides into the tablet that is powered by USB, so it's not impossible. But I don't know if it's naively implanted.
And if not, maybe some dev's can port the software from the archos devices to the prime to get a USB dongle to work.
I will personally use a wifi modem, that way it doesn't even use the battery of the tab, and I could share the connexion with whoever I want.
I just put my phone in hotspot mode when I need a connection and Wifi is not available. But in that last 2 years I have only had to do that 3 or 4 times. I don't see any need for 3/4g, and the associated extra costs, in a tablet.
Personally I would never pay extra for a 3g version and then have to pay a monthly fee on top of that. In Canada at least the monthly fee is not that cheap.
I wonder if there are stats on how many of each of the ipad models were sold? The original and ipad2 were both released with a 3g model at launch right? It would be interesting to see how big the 3g market is
Probably just to keep costs down. And I honestly don't view 3G as a must do thing. It'll be a while before people start to see data plans attached to devices as a given. Right now, if I need internet while I'm out and about with my tablet I just set up my phone as a hotspot. It's still a bit rare when I feel the need for internet when I'm not at home (most of the time I'll be reading or watching things already stored) but it came in handy while waiting in line for Black Friday.
as the prime is already available for some, could you please test if a 3G dongle works? my interest is not so much in internet connectivity but using mobile TV which only works via 3G here and not over a wifi connection due to legal requirements..
I heard somewhere that they don't because it's not a very popular market. They are aware most people have data plans on their phones and don't want to spend extra on a separate plan for a tablet. Plus most people will just tether from there phones if they need to connect out of wifi range.
3G would be nice in theory, but I wouldn't be willing to pay for another data subscription when I already have one for my phone.
3G does indeed run on different frequencies. especially in the US, it's a giant clusterfuck of various bands that carriers use as well as completely different technologies for it.
verizon and sprint both use CDMA and different freq
tmobile and at&t both use GSM (like most of europe) at run at different freq. (it's the reason an unlocked iphone will work on tmobile, but you won't get 3g on it.)
for asus to come out with a 3g (or 4g) enabled tablet in the states, it would mean working with some provider to support and sell it, which asus being such a small player would be tough to get any of the big providers to get on board.
one solution would be to install a quad or penta band gsm radio in it (like the galaxy nexus) and let people use it however they want, but then cost comes into play.
personally, i've never seen the draw to 3g enabled tablets, as most people who have one also have a smartphone that they can probably tether to the device.
if i really wanted to get 3g and not tether in some way, i'd probably rather get a hotspot for the same price (service wise) and not use up my tablets battery powering the radio and also be able to connect multiple devices to it.
maybe i shouldn't have replied to this thread but created a new one
what i asked is whether a 3G dongle would work (similar to what archos does), but i guess not
asus could support that and not care about a 3G tablet version, only put the drivers and apps into the firmware.
3G connectivity is cheap in austria, unlimited data plan (without throttle) with 10mbit/s for 15 euros/month (or even much cheaper with throttle), but as i said, i'd only need it for mobile TV.
nook-color said:
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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The U.S. isn't like the rest of the world. With the exception of Asus, all the manufacturers offer both 3G and Wi-Fi versions of their tablets. Some of what's available in the U.S. are adaptations of those. And data plans in a lot of countries aren't as expensive and don't lock you in to two-year contracts making 3G much more popular outside the U.S.
Asus said in the spring they'd launch a 3G version of the TF1. In November, they sent them out to reviewers. It's still not released and may never be. Apparently, Asus isn't big on 3G.
http://www.tabletbite.com/3g-asus-transformer-spotted-wild-picture-4316/
Charles_A said:
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too.
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I have a HSPA+ 21 UK tablet that I use on AT&T. It's $20 a month with unlimited data and MMS because it's just another non-smartphone on my account. Tethering is a pain in the ass. Get out the phone, turn on Wi-Fi sharing, connect the tablet, disconnect the tablet, turn off Wi-Fi sharing. If you forget the last thing you're phone's battery is shot. It's shot anyway becasue Wi-Fi sharing's a huge drain. Connecting a tablet after it's been offline's also a pain while you wait for everything to sync before you can start using it. With all the carriers (except Sprint) starting to throttle for excessive usage splitting data over two devices keeps each devices data usage down. I'm usually at 4-6GB a month on both my phone and tablet individually. It's great when you're traveling to be able just whip the tablet out quickly and start using it. I'm not selling anyone on the idea of 3G but it has its advantages.
And there's zero chance the Prime has a GSM radio in it. It wasn't shown in the tear down and wasn't in the sample sent to the FCC for clearance.
yea i had a xoom and phone and it was too much to pay for data so now im just goona hotspot it and not pay $40 for something i dont need.
This may be a total noob question, but that's because I am indeed a noob when it comes to this. A bit of history about my Optimus One: I got it on the internets and I believe it is for Portugal's Vodafone, as suggested by the default APN. This thing runs the original Android 2.2 and I did not bother to root it.
Recently I got the T-mobile's six months of free data promo (I'm in Boulder, CO) and all I get is a whopping 120 kbps downstream. All settings seem to be according to T-mobile's "official" info. Tech support told me that everything is peachy on their end, but my phone is "not supported" and I need to get a "supported" one from T-mobile.
Is this the case, or is it merely a matter of installing a ROM/app that unlocks the proper band for data? I am not really afraid to play with this phone, because in the very worst case I could actually get one from T-mobile. Also, because I have no contract, I could move to another provider, so there's some freedom. Thoughts?
nedomacho said:
Recently I got the T-mobile's six months of free data promo (I'm in Boulder, CO) and all I get is a whopping 120 kbps downstream. All settings seem to be according to T-mobile's "official" info. Tech support told me that everything is peachy on their end, but my phone is "not supported" and I need to get a "supported" one from T-mobile.
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You have 3G data enabled? 3G available in your area? The tech support "advise" is complete crap.
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You have 3G data enabled? 3G available in your area? The tech support "advise" is complete crap.
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3G enabled on the phone? I don't see anything beyond "enable data" and when it's enabled, there's an "E" next to the sign at the top of the screen.
Yeah, 3G does cover this area and the t-mobile rep claims the setup on their end is right.
nedomacho said:
3G enabled on the phone? I don't see anything beyond "enable data" and when it's enabled, there's an "E" next to the sign at the top of the screen.
Yeah, 3G does cover this area and the t-mobile rep claims the setup on their end is right.
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Well, E is EDGE (which is just a bit faster GPRS), no wonder it is slow. You need H (as in HSDPA). If there's no way to enable 3G on Froyo (strongly suspect you just need to look harder), then upgrade the ROM!
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If there's no way to enable 3G on Froyo (strongly suspect you just need to look harder), then upgrade the ROM!
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Well, I see nothing about 3G under mobile network settings... network mode 'GSM/WCDMA auto', tried with and without data roaming enabled, APN set up as the t-mobile website suggests... Am I looking in the wrong place?
Also, could this be related? Which I guess could effectively mean the tech support was right...
nedomacho said:
Well, I see nothing about 3G under mobile network settings... network mode 'GSM/WCDMA auto', tried with and without data roaming enabled, APN set up as the t-mobile website suggests... Am I looking in the wrong place?
Also, could this be related? Which I guess could effectively mean the tech support was right...
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1/ HSDPA definitely worked for me with Froyo. (No, I will not flash such junk again to verify, being on ICS now)
2/ There has been a GB update available for over a year. Why do not you upgrade?
3/ Normal european P500 specs are
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSPA: 900/2100 MHz
Sorry, no idea what T-Mobile uses somewhere in CO. US T-Mobile has been selling this very same phone branded as LG Optimus T.
nedomacho said:
This may be a total noob question, but that's because I am indeed a noob when it comes to this. A bit of history about my Optimus One: I got it on the internets and I believe it is for Portugal's Vodafone, as suggested by the default APN. This thing runs the original Android 2.2 and I did not bother to root it.
Recently I got the T-mobile's six months of free data promo (I'm in Boulder, CO) and all I get is a whopping 120 kbps downstream. All settings seem to be according to T-mobile's "official" info. Tech support told me that everything is peachy on their end, but my phone is "not supported" and I need to get a "supported" one from T-mobile.
Is this the case, or is it merely a matter of installing a ROM/app that unlocks the proper band for data? I am not really afraid to play with this phone, because in the very worst case I could actually get one from T-mobile. Also, because I have no contract, I could move to another provider, so there's some freedom. Thoughts?
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You dont need to flash any ROM if only thing you want is high speed internet..
First call the customer care and ask whether its a 3G pack that you got or normal
GPRS/EDGE. If its EDGE then its the maximum speed you going to get..
if its a 3G pack.. go to settings and select ONLY WCDMA and ask them to send you
3G settings too. Well i Activated 3G and got APN settings automatically.
Do ask customer care if your area has 3G coverage!!
T-Mobile does not support the European 3G bands in your area. In certain metropolitan areas you will get a 2100MHZ signal on T-Mobile, but most of the time you will be getting incompatible frequencies hence the need to use EDGE (2G aka the E which is much slower than 3G).
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Thanks guys.
I think several responses are due to the fact that I did not make my location clear: I am in the US and the phone was originally for a European provider. I did confirm with the customer service that I am supposed to have a 3G/4G connection.
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T-Mobile does not support the European 3G bands in your area. In certain metropolitan areas you will get a 2100MHZ signal on T-Mobile, but most of the time you will be getting incompatible frequencies hence the need to use EDGE (2G aka the E which is much slower than 3G).
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I'll have a chance to test it in Chicago next week.
I suppose the frequency incompatibility is at the hardware level and changing the ROM wouldn't help. Can you confirm this? I am ready to flash cyanogenmod (or whatever you guys can suggest), but if this is a hardware issue, there's no point, is there?
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Thanks guys.
I think several responses are due to the fact that I did not make my location clear: I am in the US and the phone was originally for a European provider. I did confirm with the customer service that I am supposed to have a 3G/4G connection.
I'll have a chance to test it in Chicago next week.
I suppose the frequency incompatibility is at the hardware level and changing the ROM wouldn't help. Can you confirm this? I am ready to flash cyanogenmod (or whatever you guys can suggest), but if this is a hardware issue, there's no point, is there?
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Yes, you can't just change frequencies by just flashing another ROM. It is hardware related
My better half caught me looking at the Xperia z ultra. She surprised me with a c6833 model. It should be here the end of the week.
We are over-the-road truck drivers running the lower 48 states. Our phones are on Verizon. I do a lot of calling to book loads and Internet searches. I do some streaming of music and video.
Can I move my Verizon sim card to the new phone? I know I will not get LTE service from Verizon. What I can't find is the simplest questions . Will the phone even make calls, text or MMS? Can I get other Internet service that is non-LTE? Can I connect to my wife's hotspot to get LTE Internet? I may have to get a T-Mobile account, but if there are work arounds I would rather not.
I know around here these are basic questions but if you are going to learn to count to 10, you have to learn how to count to 3 first.
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My better half caught me looking at the Xperia z ultra. She surprised me with a c6833 model. It should be here the end of the week.
We are over-the-road truck drivers running the lower 48 states. Our phones are on Verizon. I do a lot of calling to book loads and Internet searches. I do some streaming of music and video.
Can I move my Verizon sim card to the new phone? I know I will not get LTE service from Verizon. What I can't find is the simplest questions . Will the phone even make calls, text or MMS? Can I get other Internet service that is non-LTE? Can I connect to my wife's hotspot to get LTE Internet? I may have to get a T-Mobile account, but if there are work arounds I would rather not.
I know around here these are basic questions but if you are going to learn to count to 10, you have to learn how to count to 3 first.
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Yes , u can get internet service with non-LTE. You will be gettin Wifi-Connection when you connect to Wife's Hotspot. Data Transfer would be faster cause as you said your Wife has LTE.
Truck505766 said:
My better half caught me looking at the Xperia z ultra. She surprised me with a c6833 model. It should be here the end of the week.
We are over-the-road truck drivers running the lower 48 states. Our phones are on Verizon. I do a lot of calling to book loads and Internet searches. I do some streaming of music and video.
Can I move my Verizon sim card to the new phone? I know I will not get LTE service from Verizon. What I can't find is the simplest questions . Will the phone even make calls, text or MMS? Can I get other Internet service that is non-LTE? Can I connect to my wife's hotspot to get LTE Internet? I may have to get a T-Mobile account, but if there are work arounds I would rather not.
I know around here these are basic questions but if you are going to learn to count to 10, you have to learn how to count to 3 first.
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C6833 - LTE for T-Mobile
C6806 - LTE for T-Mobile and AT&T
C6802 - 3G for all networks
So even thought you have the single band LTE device, you will still get 3G coverage and data/ downloads. You will also be able to connect to your wife's hotspot and get LTE that way. But wont be as fast as LTE through a provider as its piggybacking.
I would suggest getting a T-Mobile account. (if they have coverage for where you will be)
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C6833 - LTE for T-Mobile
C6806 - LTE for T-Mobile and AT&T
C6802 - 3G for all networks
So even thought you have the single band LTE device, you will still get 3G coverage and data/ downloads. You will also be able to connect to your wife's hotspot and get LTE that way. But wont be as fast as LTE through a provider as its piggybacking.
I would suggest getting a T-Mobile account. (if they have coverage for where you will be)
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The problem with the "where you are" plan is we drive 1000+ miles per day. We have no idea where that would be. So as long as I can make the call part work and there is a work around for the interest, I'm happy. The super big screen when viewing load details will far out weigh some of the small draw backs like no LTE or having to connect to a hotspot. We drive for me hours in some states where we don't even have basic phone service.
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The problem with the "where you are" plan is we drive 1000+ miles per day. We have no idea where that would be. So as long as I can make the call part work and there is a work around for the interest, I'm happy. The super big screen when viewing load details will far out weigh some of the small draw backs like no LTE or having to connect to a hotspot. We drive for me hours in some states where we don't even have basic phone service.
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yeah I know what you mean. I travel a lot of part of my job, and often I have zero reception too. You'll be happy with your version of the Ultra. wifi hotspots will be the best choice and other than that 3G will suffice.. :good: or nothing...
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yeah I know what you mean. I travel a lot of part of my job, and often I have zero reception too. You'll be happy with your version of the Ultra. wifi hotspots will be the best choice and other than that 3G will suffice.. :good: or nothing...
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While I'm not a cheap SOB, okay I am, if it gets to bad I'll pay up for an account at T-Mobile, but why if I don't really have to?
Thanks everyone. While I can find info down to the glue it's stuck together with I couldn't find the basics of can I call home on it. I'll bet I can find somewhere if ET can phone home with it.
Hi there!
I got on three phones the same problem - so I can say that´s a problem from technology itself!
When I´m on the way with my phone and have turned on "LTE", I got best performance in data connection (internet speed) but worse phone reception. Sometimes I can´t phone someone because I got no connection to network to phone (but best data speed!).
When I turn off "LTE" I get best values with my phone reception. Data also good (about 20Mbit).
Could anyone tell me what´s the problem with it? You pay Euros over Euros fot the LTE ant then you can´t phone anymore?
(Sorry for my english!).
That's because LTE and 4G is Data-only. It needs to switch back to 2G/3G to make a call. (it should auto switch when you answer a call).
I suspect your provider doesn't support LTE fast switching, or your SIMcard is simply too old to work properly. Have you checked it with a different SIM?
(Say what you want about T-Mobile's (lack of) network coverage, but at least they made 4G completely free in the Netherlands.)
Ok, i didn´t know that LTE/4G is data only - very interesting.
I got a brand new card, but i will contact the provider (T-Mobile) if they are informed about my problem?
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That's because LTE and 4G is Data-only. It needs to switch back to 2G/3G to make a call. (it should auto switch when you answer a call).
I suspect your provider doesn't support LTE fast switching, or your SIMcard is simply too old to work properly. Have you checked it with a different SIM?
(Say what you want about T-Mobile's (lack of) network coverage, but at least they made 4G completely free in the Netherlands.)
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I think that was correct until last year, with the advent of VoLTE networks. This is basically VoIP on your LTE connection with your mobile network being the VoIP provider and it all being transparent to you. How extensive the rollout is in any particular country or network is anyone's guess though
maluc said:
Ok, i didn´t know that LTE/4G is data only - very interesting.
I got a brand new card, but i will contact the provider (T-Mobile) if they are informed about my problem?
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Which country? I know T-Mobile Netherlands does have fast switching enabled. But every section of T-Mobile is completely separate from Deutsche Telekom itself, so it varies per country.
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I think that was correct until last year, with the advent of VoLTE networks. This is basically VoIP on your LTE connection with your mobile network being the VoIP provider and it all being transparent to you. How extensive the rollout is in any particular country or network is anyone's guess though
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That hasn't been rolled out in Europe yet, sadly
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Which country? I know T-Mobile Netherlands does have fast switching enabled. But every section of T-Mobile is completely separate from Deutsche Telekom itself, so it varies per country.
That hasn't been rolled out in Europe yet, sadly
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Actually, I'm going to be working in the Netherlands soon & am going to need a PAYG or 1-month rolling contract SIM for mainly data. Any suggestions?
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Actually, I'm going to be working in the Netherlands soon & am going to need a PAYG or 1-month rolling contract SIM for mainly data. Any suggestions?
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Uhhhh I haven't had prepaid in years..
The most stable and widespread network is KPN. (government funded) Which is, consequentially, also the most expensive. 4G is not available for prepaid. They offer prepaid with additional packages for data per month. 16 euro for 1GB for 31 days, and € 1,02 per MB after the 1GB runs out.
T-Mobile offers prepaid with packages as well. € 14,95 for 1GB. As far as I know 4G speed isn't available for prepaid. The actual 4G net itself is available in most of the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, extending towards Enschede (guilte as charged) and Arnhem, and some cities in the north and south.
Vodafone offers a contract-free subscription (Hybride) that you can end at any point. Comes in standard and Red, with € 2,50 for 4G in standard. Red is 4G by default. 4G only availables in the big cities. They also offer prepaid with additional packages, 1GB for €10. 4G is an additional package for €5 per month.
If you don't want 4G, there are additional providers with options. For those you're better off heading for a shop and asking them, I don't know the particulars of those.
If you know you're going to be here at least a year, you can get a subscription for a year (either with a device or SIMonly). Much cheaper.
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Uhhhh I haven't had prepaid in years..
The most stable and widespread network is KPN. (government funded) Which is, consequentially, also the most expensive. 4G is not available for prepaid. They offer prepaid with additional packages for data per month. 16 euro for 1GB for 31 days, and € 1,02 per MB after the 1GB runs out.
T-Mobile offers prepaid with packages as well. € 14,95 for 1GB. As far as I know 4G speed isn't available for prepaid. The actual 4G net itself is available in most of the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, extending towards Enschede (guilte as charged) and Arnhem, and some cities in the north and south.
Vodafone offers a contract-free subscription (Hybride) that you can end at any point. Comes in standard and Red, with € 2,50 for 4G in standard. Red is 4G by default. 4G only availables in the big cities. They also offer prepaid with additional packages, 1GB for €10. 4G is an additional package for €5 per month.
If you don't want 4G, there are additional providers with options. For those you're better off heading for a shop and asking them, I don't know the particulars of those.
If you know you're going to be here at least a year, you can get a subscription for a year (either with a device or SIMonly). Much cheaper.
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Thanks! All info is useful at this point. I'm hopeful my contract will be for a long time, but it's contracting, so it may only be a few months.
If they made a dual-SIM Moto X or Sony Z3 Compact I'd switch to one of those and sell my current phone, but I'm just going to have to get a Moto G and stick a Dutch SIM in it (and use it as a hotspot for my main phone).
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Thanks! All info is useful at this point. I'm hopeful my contract will be for a long time, but it's contracting, so it may only be a few months.
If they made a dual-SIM Moto X or Sony Z3 Compact I'd switch to one of those and sell my current phone, but I'm just going to have to get a Moto G and stick a Dutch SIM in it (and use it as a hotspot for my main phone).
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If it's purely for data, a MiFi router is also an idea. Basically a router with a SIMslot. Probably cheaper than a phone (starts around 50 quid).
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If it's purely for data, a MiFi router is also an idea. Basically a router with a SIMslot. Probably cheaper than a phone (starts around 50 quid).
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Something to think about for sure, though a Dutch voice number may be useful.
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Something to think about for sure, though a Dutch voice number may be useful.
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Very true.
I was just thinking that a simple phone and a MiFi router would probably be cheaper than a smartphone of any kind. I could be wrong, and it might be a bit of a hassle to swap them around all the time.
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hi community, i got my usa version of 1 iv and worked with mint-mobile (using t-mobile's network) to connect/activate. Calling/word text worked fine (image via text did not work), but no internet/data connection over 5g/LTE while browsing. Tech support could not get it working and escalated ... wondering if anyone would know how/what could be done. Thx!!
You must be missing the APN config on your device for TMobile. also, check if mobile data is enabled.
Here is T-Mobile info on how to setup Tmobile USA APN:
Tutorials | T-Mobile Support
Not related to the post (getting T-Mobile service) on any of the Asian firmwares at the moment.
I flashed the Euro, US firmwares and no signal at all. The radio power in hidden menu shows as off.
Does anyone know if crossflashing with this model also flashes the radio modem?
Seems to have worked naturally for Xperia 1 II and Xperia 1 III.
Not sure why this doesn't work now aside from intentionally restricting the phone to the intended region model.
Mine is XQ-CT72 global version on US T-Mobil.
I'm getting 800+, but US version should be better because of better band selection.
Mine goes that fast only certain places.
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hi community, i got my usa version of 1 iv and worked with mint-mobile (using t-mobile's network) to connect/activate. Calling/word text worked fine (image via text did not work), but no internet/data connection over 5g/LTE while browsing. Tech support could not get it working and escalated ... wondering if anyone would know how/what could be done. Thx!!
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I own the USA variant of the phone and I have absolutely no issues with 5G data nor wi-fi. The only issues I am experiencing is the fact that voice over Wi-Fi has not been provisioned. Coincidentally my phone also tells me within engineering mode that video over Wi-Fi is also not implemented. Sony wants to point the finger at T-Mobile and T-Mobile wants to point the finger at Sony.
Other than that I love this phone.
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You must be missing the APN config on your device for TMobile. also, check if mobile data is enabled.
Here is T-Mobile info on how to setup Tmobile USA APN:
Tutorials | T-Mobile Support
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I have the correct APN that you mentioned and still no luck for voice over Wi-Fi. I spent over half an hour with a T-Mobile troubleshooting technician and she was not able to remedy the scenario. They have created a trouble ticket and forwarded up the food chain. They claim you will take about 3 days for them to get back to me so cross your fingers (VoWifi).
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I have the correct APN that you mentioned and still no luck for voice over Wi-Fi. I spent over half an hour with a T-Mobile troubleshooting technician and she was not able to remedy the scenario. They have created a trouble ticket and forwarded up the food chain. They claim you will take about 3 days for them to get back to me so cross your fingers (VoWifi).
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Ah, that is a different question. that means you are able to get data and your problem is only with VoWiFi which is expected. your original post question was totally different.
Sony blocks TMO VoWiFi in their software by blocking the network code in their settings. You will never get VoWiFi with Sony and TMO together unless you root and hack your sony build settings to enable it.
Your next best option is to move to GoogleFi that uses TMO network and you will be able to get the full VoWiFi service there since it has different network code.
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Ah, that is a different question. that means you are able to get data and your problem is only with VoWiFi which is expected. your original post question was totally different.
Sony blocks TMO VoWiFi in their software by blocking the network code in their settings. You will never get VoWiFi with Sony and TMO together unless you root and hack your sony build settings to enable it.
Your next best option is to move to GoogleFi that uses TMO network and you will be able to get the full VoWiFi service there since it has different network code.
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Rats. I've been looking to upgrade from my Note 10+ on T-Mobile, and the Xperia 1 IV looked promising, but VoWiFi being nerfed is a non-starter for my needs. Curse the manufacturers for moving away from expandable storage!
T-Mobile basically did a bunch of farting around and could not provision Wi-Fi calling on my phone. I have confirmed from at least three people on XDA developers that the workaround is to jump on board with Google fi since they do support Wi-Fi calling provisioning.... Or somehow root your phone and find an engineering workaround.
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T-Mobile basically did a bunch of farting around and could not provision Wi-Fi calling on my phone. I have confirmed from at least three people on XDA developers that the workaround is to jump on board with Google fi since they do support Wi-Fi calling provisioning.... Or somehow root your phone and find an engineering workaround.
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It is Still a good attempt from TMO to try to help, It is really not TMO fault here as nothing they can do. Sony is at fault blocking TMO network code in their VoWiFi software.
Sony has decided to block this service from the second largest US carrier, wondering why Sony sales not picking up in the US
seriously genuine question......why is that so important? I mean, can't you just call a person on whatsupp or telegram or any other service? After all, it is just VOIP, right?
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seriously genuine question......why is that so important? I mean, can't you just call a person on whatsupp or telegram or any other service? After all, it is just VOIP, right?
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Since WCDMA and GSM are sunset, if you want to call someone or receive calls with your phone, you need VoLTE or VoNR. TG and Whatsapp are not that popular in the US, and imagine someone wanting to use their phone as a phone....
well, I get that. We still have 3G and GSM. And every time I work on new rollout things are more and more complicated because of all generations are still in use. Connecting to a unknown wifi every time seems very not practical and if it is not opened public network (which again is not great) how does that work then? I get it if you are at home/family/friends but my question is more like, no cell signal, jut some random wifi. To me it looks more like a patch then an actual service/solution for the lack of cell signal. Or is that something that you really can rely on?
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seriously genuine question......why is that so important? I mean, can't you just call a person on whatsupp or telegram or any other service? After all, it is just VOIP, right?
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The issue is when I'm in my local public supermarket there is no T-Mobile coverage in the building. There is Wi-Fi and I do use Google meet and other apps over Wi-Fi but if someone calls my phone number my phone will not receive the call. That is the point.
Someone would have to actually know that I'm in a no coverage area and utilize one of those other apps to reach me. If not businesses, job offers, local businesses that don't know me personally, someone new that I've met etc etc would never get through to me and I would eventually receive some type of voicemail message indication. That is unacceptable when you have children and other family members and friends that need to get in contact with you immediately.
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but if someone calls my phone number my phone will not receive the call. That is the point.
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Exactly the point, your phone number is the primary way many reach you. if your phone does not have any 3G\4G\5G coverage, then WiFi might be your only other option that gives people the ability to call you directly with your phone.
OK, but who provides wifi? I get that is is just a voip, but you still need internet connection. So instead of cellular it uses wifi.
Here, in many big business buildings or malls we have indoor base stations, sometimes it is combo indoor and out door. Indoor usually is set up as MIMO so all of the providers share the same indoor infrastructure.
Also, many of public places have a wifi but since we are covered with cell signal, nobody really cares about it. Mostly because you can't just connect to it. you need a pass from your bus ticket or your bill in bars or are greeted with front page of the mall that wants you to register and so on. So using wifi here is PITA, that's why I wonder how all that works there and why is it such a big deal.
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OK, but who provides wifi? I get that is is just a voip, but you still need internet connection. So instead of cellular it uses wifi.
Here, in many big business buildings or malls we have indoor base stations, sometimes it is combo indoor and out door. Indoor usually is set up as MIMO so all of the providers share the same indoor infrastructure.
Also, many of public places have a wifi but since we are covered with cell signal, nobody really cares about it. Mostly because you can't just connect to it. you need a pass from your bus ticket or your bill in bars or are greeted with front page of the mall that wants you to register and so on. So using wifi here is PITA, that's why I wonder how all that works there and why is it such a big deal.
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There are many places that I have frequented where cellular data and cellular calling will not go through. In those places Wi-Fi is available. While you can use WhatsApp and other individual applications to make video calls and even voice calls you will not be able to receive native incoming calls when someone calls your regular phone number nor will you be able to use your native dialer to make a regular phone call if Wi-Fi calling is not provisioned on your phone. Unfortunately our phones do not get provisioned for T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling apparently due to some issue between the Sony and T-Mobile. So by switching to another carrier or mvno, Wi-Fi calling will be enabled reportedly.
UPDATE: Switched to Google Fi.... Problem solved. Wi-Fi calling now enabled.
That part I get, but still don't know which wifi do you use for that. For mobile network, there is a SIM that handles the connection between cells. Phones can't connect to any available wifi, right. So..... I get what it is, but as someone who works on cell towers installations and from perspective of wifi networks here and my knowledge I still don't get which wifi do you use in that case.
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That part I get, but still don't know which wifi do you use for that. For mobile network, there is a SIM that handles the connection between cells. Phones can't connect to any available wifi, right. So..... I get what it is, but as someone who works on cell towers installations and from perspective of wifi networks here and my knowledge I still don't get which wifi do you use in that case.
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It can work on any Wi-Fi network that has adequate bandwidth. I can go to my local Publix supermarket....no cellular signal in there: I turn my WiFi on, I can make/receive calls with the native phone dialer. No cellular tower needed.
Even tested this at home.... I turned Airplane mode on, then afterwards I ONLY turn wi-fi on.... Calls can be made/received.